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(13,685 posts)
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:57 AM May 2015

Bernie: He's not an Obama. He's the Real Deal

We have a real Hope for Change in voting for Bernie.

Obama was pretty much an unknown. Bernie Sanders has a long history of fighting for Change and Hope for everyman.

He is in it to win, and win we will.

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Bernie: He's not an Obama. He's the Real Deal (Original Post) RobertEarl May 2015 OP
I like Bernie a lot. Don't care for the Obama slams. Xipe Totec May 2015 #1
Obama was amazing RobertEarl May 2015 #3
It's very important to focus on principles and not individuals. Xipe Totec May 2015 #6
Exactly: Focus RobertEarl May 2015 #8
That's what we said about Obama. Focus on principles, not personalities. nt Xipe Totec May 2015 #9
And Bernie has a track record of fighting for progressive ideals. GoneOffShore May 2015 #28
I hope you're right. We all do. nt Xipe Totec May 2015 #31
The point is that America is controlled, and duped, by a corrupt machine. woo me with science May 2015 #23
Idol worshiping is not good for anyone. nt Xipe Totec May 2015 #25
How is Bernie going to get his agenda passed through Congress? Bernie hasn't been hugely okaawhatever May 2015 #2
With our help RobertEarl May 2015 #4
I'm very skeptical, but if he is the nominee I'll jump on board and work for/donate to him. nt okaawhatever May 2015 #5
"if he is the nominee" Iwillnevergiveup May 2015 #30
Coat tails do not come by themselves hootinholler May 2015 #10
You nailed it RobertEarl May 2015 #13
This is where I believe Obama went off the rails. Obama for America had Exilednight May 2015 #49
One word: gerrymandering redstateblues May 2015 #59
Why didn't we help Obama? treestar May 2015 #67
Right Proud Liberal Dem May 2015 #74
Exactly and they demanded Obama do it while treestar May 2015 #76
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #80
It was Obama that said we needed to hold his feet to the fire PowerToThePeople May 2015 #84
Oh I see. Obama asked for constant criticism treestar May 2015 #89
If he does stuff I do not agree with PowerToThePeople May 2015 #90
I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination Proud Liberal Dem May 2015 #102
Well you can bet he is going to fight for things and use the bully pulpit to rally the people. cui bono May 2015 #16
Sorry, buy Bernie has not been hugely successful... JaneyVee May 2015 #35
Including because Democrats don't support liberals. merrily May 2015 #42
He's been infinitely more successful than Hillary on that score. /nt Marr May 2015 #88
I love what Bernie represents ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #91
Multiple ways RichVRichV May 2015 #104
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #7
I can't take you seriously. Agschmid May 2015 #29
Ridicule - A Common Technique Used When Nothing Better Is Offered cantbeserious May 2015 #46
That's not ridicule it's an invitation to share more. Agschmid May 2015 #47
I Share One Line At A Time cantbeserious May 2015 #50
I Can Tell Agschmid May 2015 #51
It is an open forum PowerToThePeople May 2015 #85
Ridicule Redux - Seems To Be A Pattern cantbeserious May 2015 #86
What can Bernie do? aspirant May 2015 #11
All of those things require the consent of Congress. JohnnyRingo May 2015 #18
It appears Obama has an easy time supporting republican ideas... TheNutcracker May 2015 #26
Good one. JohnnyRingo May 2015 #45
. Agschmid May 2015 #34
..and if NONE of that gets done because of the GOP gerrymandering of congress you'll uponit7771 May 2015 #21
Unless you get Congress... Agschmid May 2015 #32
He'll ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #95
Same. Agschmid May 2015 #98
it must be time for this: grasswire May 2015 #12
I like it! RobertEarl May 2015 #14
I love that poem grasswire May 2015 #15
One good turn.... sgtbenobo May 2015 #39
Amen to that. Paka May 2015 #17
BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! Everyone of the presidents have a list of ugly and Bernie will too.. NOT ONE.. uponit7771 May 2015 #19
So true. And by the standards they have, Bernie will disappoint them too treestar May 2015 #69
+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #101
Democratic candidates for congress should be vowing to support Bernie's policies ... Scuba May 2015 #20
Well, then, you'd better be prepared for about 200 Primary challenges. brooklynite May 2015 #65
We need that many, including one for this guy ... Scuba May 2015 #81
And just to be clear, the grassroots funding you'll be doing for Sanders... brooklynite May 2015 #82
I'm sure Wall Street will kick in. They seem to back a lot of "Democrats" these days. Scuba May 2015 #83
They are going to rescind their endorsements.... eloydude May 2015 #92
Huge K&R "He's not an Obama." woo me with science May 2015 #22
Great idea! ucrdem May 2015 #24
K&R. Obama gave lots of pretty speeches. CharlotteVale May 2015 #27
Yeah okay.... JaneyVee May 2015 #37
I like President Obama thank you very much! hrmjustin May 2015 #33
I've been reading about the sea change happening in Southern Europe...Leftists taking back libdem4life May 2015 #36
I hope for Bernie's sake a lot of you work behind the scenes and sufrommich May 2015 #38
Obama won two national elections BeyondGeography May 2015 #40
"Saying Bernie will not be "an Obama" is not a leading argument." DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #56
I think he is the best voice we have had for many decades. But one thing we need to get jwirr May 2015 #41
Oh man, you are so wrong! President Obama is the best ever akbacchus_BC May 2015 #43
Obama is not running in 2016. Slogan is a big FAIL. n/t Lil Missy May 2015 #44
Obama won two elections. Sanders is certainly no Obama. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #48
Obama was a hell-of-a-politician INdemo May 2015 #52
+ 1 million darkangel218 May 2015 #53
+100000000000 The moral sewer of corporate rule. woo me with science May 2015 #60
Bashing Pres. Obama is definitely a winning strategy! Metric System May 2015 #54
There is a difference between bashing INdemo May 2015 #57
Especially among African Americans DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #62
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #97
I'll take an Obama any day. Renew Deal May 2015 #55
How does trashing Obama help your cause? redstateblues May 2015 #58
Posters who tear someone down to frogmarch May 2015 #61
Corrupt, lying corporate politicians who sell out human beings and democracy itself woo me with science May 2015 #63
Jesus Christ. frogmarch May 2015 #66
Take that over long list of embarassing half-baked spam for exactly what it is Number23 May 2015 #100
Big difference btw Obama and Sanders brooklynite May 2015 #64
You can spend all the money you want on Hillary, I don't care... eloydude May 2015 #93
Bernie: He's not Jesus. He's God Almighty, Himself. Paladin May 2015 #68
DU is full of corporate water carriers who prefer a corporatist. Like Obama, they aren't honest. nt Romulox May 2015 #70
+1000000 24/7 propaganda and manipulation have become standard MO of our corrupt political machines woo me with science May 2015 #72
You're right. He's not an Obama. MineralMan May 2015 #71
Thank you Mr Status Quo. 99Forever May 2015 #77
Yep eloydude May 2015 #96
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #103
The "Underground" of the Dem Party is for Bernie. In Exile they've grown in numbers... KoKo May 2015 #105
I have thank to Barack Obama. 99Forever May 2015 #73
...^ that 840high May 2015 #79
I like that! The Real Deal ananda May 2015 #75
Bernie!! AzDar May 2015 #78
"He's the Real Deal" - yep, that's where we are today... polichick May 2015 #87
You mean Bernie's NOT a Kenyan, Muslim, socialist tyrant? 11 Bravo May 2015 #94
Trashing the President? workinclasszero May 2015 #99
Idol worship is more your style. 99Forever May 2015 #106

Xipe Totec

(43,855 posts)
1. I like Bernie a lot. Don't care for the Obama slams.
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:02 AM
May 2015

Obama is not running in 2016.

So find some other slogan.



(13,685 posts)
3. Obama was amazing
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:12 AM
May 2015

I could not believe how many never registered voters came in to get help registering.

But I could believe how many later said they felt let down by Obama. And now have abandoned voting again.

Bernie can bring them back and one way to do that is tell the truth. There is is. Bernie is the real deal.

Xipe Totec

(43,855 posts)
6. It's very important to focus on principles and not individuals.
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:18 AM
May 2015

Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. (Daniel 2:31-33)
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (Daniel 2:41-43)



(13,685 posts)
8. Exactly: Focus
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:21 AM
May 2015

I don't know where you are going with the scripture stuff?

Bernie is a man of principle: He's the real deal.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
23. The point is that America is controlled, and duped, by a corrupt machine.
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:41 AM
May 2015

Obama the man isn't the point. He is only the current, temporary symbol of the bait and switch.

There will be another corrupt Wall Street puppet to follow him unless we recognize the pattern and refuse to enable it again.

Our government and our political machines lie to our faces.

Bernie's candidacy is about demanding real representation again.


(9,453 posts)
2. How is Bernie going to get his agenda passed through Congress? Bernie hasn't been hugely
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:03 AM
May 2015

sucessful in getting major legislation passed. How can he move the needle in areas where Obama hasn't been able to?



(13,685 posts)
4. With our help
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:14 AM
May 2015

The force behind getting Bernie elected is going to be the most amazing thing modern day politics ever witnessed. It will have huge coat tails and get many other Liberals elected.


(9,298 posts)
30. "if he is the nominee"
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:10 PM
May 2015

I prefer to think, "we MUST make him the nominee" and take steps to make that happen along with millions of others.


(26,449 posts)
10. Coat tails do not come by themselves
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:32 AM
May 2015

We have to make them happen.

The more candidates for the House and Senate are asked about Bernie's agenda, the more they will realize that is the path to victory.

Also, I believe it is Bernie's plan to bring the popular energy into the oval office by keeping the public involved unlike what happened in 2009.



(13,685 posts)
13. You nailed it
Sun May 24, 2015, 02:14 AM
May 2015

I see the reemergence of the spirit that flowed in 2008. Only this time there is real meat in the mix.

The NO-big money movement must win if we are to have a viable future. It can win. The internet will be the media. The revolution will not be televised, just the outcome.


(9,359 posts)
49. This is where I believe Obama went off the rails. Obama for America had
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:27 AM
May 2015

Huge lists of supporters, but they never used them to advance legislation or harness support from the public. He only used them to raise cash.


(10,565 posts)
59. One word: gerrymandering
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:08 AM
May 2015

Until the House districts are redrawn no Democrat is going to get anything meaningful through Congress

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,316 posts)
74. Right
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

Had Congress stayed Democratic, much more could have been done. There was really nothing much different/wrong about President Obama's policy ideas or what he supported. He really just didn't have much to work with post-2010. The 2010 and 2014 midterms during his Presidency ruined a lot of opportunities to get more progressive stuff done. Bernie nor anybody else will be able to get much done if obstructionist Republicans remain in charge of one or both Houses of Congress.


(82,383 posts)
76. Exactly and they demanded Obama do it while
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:35 AM
May 2015

we hold his feet to the fire. Now when it's Bernie, we "help" him and don't hold his feet to the fire.

Amazing hypocrisy.

Response to treestar (Reply #76)



(9,610 posts)
84. It was Obama that said we needed to hold his feet to the fire
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

and demand he do it.

Nice try at rewriting history though.


(82,383 posts)
89. Oh I see. Obama asked for constant criticism
Mon May 25, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

and looking for and nitpicking over his every action and doing that was more important than getting any bill through.

I hope you are going to hold Bernie's feet to the fire with the same zeal. Well, at least would in theory if he could win.



(9,610 posts)
90. If he does stuff I do not agree with
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

you bet I will. I could see big issues on gun control based on some of his past actions, for example.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,316 posts)
102. I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:32 PM
May 2015

however, as much as I might like Bernie, I still think that Hillary has the best chance of holding the WH in 2016.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
16. Well you can bet he is going to fight for things and use the bully pulpit to rally the people.
Sun May 24, 2015, 02:57 AM
May 2015

Obama never did that.

Also, he's not going to go into the negotiations offering the Cons almost all of what they want from the get go, which Obama did.

Bernie is a fighter, he is COMPLETELY on the people's side and he's not going to play footsie with the other side. And you can bet they know he won't so they aren't going to be able to play around as they have been. Of course they will try, but Bernie isn't going to appease them or think he can work with them. He'll get the people riled up and the Cons will have to do something because the people will demand it. Obama squandered the energy of the people that he had when he got elected and sworn in. He stopped rallying them and they went home. He didn't listen to them, opting instead to try and work with the Cons. Big mistake. Bernie won't do that.



(19,877 posts)
35. Sorry, buy Bernie has not been hugely successful...
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:12 PM
May 2015

At getting legislation passed. As a matter of fact, Bernie has the least amount of bills passed for a senator.


(45,251 posts)
42. Including because Democrats don't support liberals.
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:02 AM
May 2015

Liberals like Grayson and Bernie work with legislation in other ways.

How did Hillary's two flag burning bills do?



(31,849 posts)
91. I love what Bernie represents ...
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:16 PM
May 2015

But, as you mentioned, Bernie's long history consists mainly (of late) writing stuff that everyone knows is going nowhere, voting for stuff that is going nowhere, and voting against stuff that is sure to pass.


(885 posts)
104. Multiple ways
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:51 PM
May 2015

1) He'll push for an agenda that works for the citizens, not the corporations. How much he can get done without congress is questionable. But the same holds true for any president. Pressure from common citizens will play a major role in this one.

2) He'll use the bully pulpit. He's been doing this for decades, but as president it will carry much more weight. This is independent of congress and one area president Obama has been lacking IMO (at least until the TPP). This will have a large effect on down ticket races and the all important 2020 (next census election, also a presidential election unlike 2010). If we want to reverse gerrymandering then we had better have people fired up for that election. I don't believe anyone does that better than 4 years under Bernie going for reelection.

3) He'll appoint people to the cabinets and head of agencies who work in our interests, not a bunch of corporate cronies. Unless congress blocks every single one of his appointments (which would be killer to them) this one is totally on the president to choose. This is an area president Obama has failed miserably, IMO, and I don't expect any better out of Hillary based on past associations and who she's hiring to run her campaigns. This will probably have the largest effect on our day to day lives from his presidency.

4) He'll appoint supreme court and judicial judges who aren't bought by corporations. It'll be a fight for him to get them through. However it'll be a fight for any Democratic president to get them through. Retaking the senate would go a long way on this one (with filibuster changes on lower judicial appointments). The good news is early polling favors us retaking seats in the senate.

5) He won't compromise on legislation that harms us. This is the one area where having Bernie will be most effective. He will block any corporate bill that isn't in the greater good of the people. It would require a super majority in congress to override him. So the absolute floor of expectations under Bernie is things won't get worse for us. If nothing else he'll stalemate the corporate agenda.


(28,749 posts)
29. I can't take you seriously.
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:10 PM
May 2015

At some point I hope you post something, which lets us know more about you.



(9,610 posts)
85. It is an open forum
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

continue to use it as you wish.

Heck some of the most cherished members of that "other" group never post more than a

and garner much respect from many of those "others."


(3,533 posts)
11. What can Bernie do?
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:42 AM
May 2015

He can break-up monopolies w/o congress

He can appoint a Attorney General who will put CEO"S, banksters and War Criminals in prison

He can get us out of these endless wars, just to name a few.


(18,531 posts)
18. All of those things require the consent of Congress.
Sun May 24, 2015, 03:38 AM
May 2015

I don't want to piss in the punch bowl, but even Obama has had a challenging time appointing moderate cabinet members. I'm still not sure there's a functioning head of the EPA.

I'm all for cleaning house, but there's the equivalent of a grumpy old man in the House who refuses to pick up his feet so we can sweep up.

I guess it's reassuring to dream.
I remember the ideals of my youth. Good for you.


(18,531 posts)
45. Good one.
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:48 AM
May 2015

I guess cutting Obama and Clinton off at the knees does make Bernie Sanders appear taller. No one's ever thought of that campaign strategy for a weak candidate before.

You're a natural at opposition research, so perhaps you want to try your hand at misdirection by telling how you see Bernie Sanders as the shoe-in front runner. After all, the country has a history of voting for the candidate who stood furthest to the left.

I recall my first vote, for McGovern in '72, and later Kucinich with his Dept Of Peace in 2008, when America voted for their landslides. Other than them, they've all been just like republicans if you ignore all the good they do.


(90,164 posts)
21. ..and if NONE of that gets done because of the GOP gerrymandering of congress you'll
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:27 AM
May 2015

... demonize Bernie too!!

It's like we're living in another universe...



(28,749 posts)
32. Unless you get Congress...
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:11 PM
May 2015


He can appoint a Attorney General who will put CEO"S, banksters and War Criminals in prison

Isn't going to happen.

What's your gameplan.


(31,849 posts)
95. He'll ...
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:29 PM
May 2015

While I'm not certain about the war crimes stuff ... I'm certain that there is not the evidence to try, convict, and jail the bankers and CEOs.


(50,130 posts)
12. it must be time for this:
Sun May 24, 2015, 02:06 AM
May 2015

The Low Road

What can they do
to you? Whatever they want.
They can set you up, they can
bust you, they can break
your fingers, they can
burn your brain with electricity,
blur you with drugs till you
can't walk, can't remember, they can
take your child, wall up
your lover. They can do anything
you can't stop them
from doing. How can you stop
them? Alone, you can fight,
you can refuse, you can
take what revenge you can
but they roll over you.

But two people fighting
back to back can cut through
a mob, a snake-dancing file
can break a cordon, an army
can meet an army.

Two people can keep each other
sane, can give support, conviction,
love, massage, hope, sex.
Three people are a delegation,
a committee, a wedge. With four
you can play bridge and start
an organization. With six
you can rent a whole house,
eat pie for dinner with no
seconds, and hold a fund raising party.
A dozen make a demonstration.
A hundred fill a hall.
A thousand have solidarity and your own newsletter;
ten thousand, power and your own paper;
a hundred thousand, your own media;
ten million, your own country.

It goes on one at a time,
it starts when you care
to act, it starts when you do
it again and they said no,
it starts when you say We
and know you who you mean, and each
day you mean one more.

.....Marge Piercy



(13,685 posts)
14. I like it!
Sun May 24, 2015, 02:19 AM
May 2015

I have personally seen what can be done when there is unity, and it is factual based, and passionate, and correct in it's desires. It is a marvelous happenstance and can make changes.

It starts when you say We.


(2,760 posts)
17. Amen to that.
Sun May 24, 2015, 03:12 AM
May 2015

It's been a while since I've felt this hopeful about an election that brings the potential for real chance.


(90,164 posts)
19. BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! Everyone of the presidents have a list of ugly and Bernie will too.. NOT ONE..
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:25 AM
May 2015

...president has been legislatively or even morally perfect ... NOT ONE...

To dehumanize Obama or Kennedy or FDR or even Bernie into the "they'll never fuck up" category is a set up for failure

It's not a well rounded expectation relative to the facts


(82,383 posts)
69. So true. And by the standards they have, Bernie will disappoint them too
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:40 AM
May 2015

He could not get Congress to simply do his bidding. No POTUS can and that's the point of the separation of powers.



(53,475 posts)
20. Democratic candidates for congress should be vowing to support Bernie's policies ...
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:26 AM
May 2015

... or they should lose in a primary.


(93,355 posts)
65. Well, then, you'd better be prepared for about 200 Primary challenges.
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:29 AM
May 2015

There are already 29 Senators and Congresspersons who've already endorsed Clinton, and the number is only going to grow.


(93,355 posts)
82. And just to be clear, the grassroots funding you'll be doing for Sanders...
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:20 PM
May 2015

...will also take care of all the Primary challenges?



(376 posts)
92. They are going to rescind their endorsements....
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:23 PM
May 2015

once they find out Hillary has nothing to offer, and Bernie has so MUCH more to offer.....

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. Huge K&R "He's not an Obama."
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:36 AM
May 2015

He's not a Hillary, either.

He's not a Trojan horse.

He's not lying.

He's not a puppet of the corrupt machine.

To the Greatest Page.


(2,717 posts)
27. K&R. Obama gave lots of pretty speeches.
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:55 PM
May 2015

Took me longer than it should have to realize that's all they were.



(13,877 posts)
36. I've been reading about the sea change happening in Southern Europe...Leftists taking back
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:13 PM
May 2015

the power to the middle class...Syriza, Podemos, Italy's Five Star Party, France is moving in that direction and Britain has disliked the Euro from the start. And it's all about those who hold the 1% and the declining middle class.

Sounds kind of like Bernie. Maybe it's a trend, because the Southern European Left Populous come back wasn't expected, either.


(22,871 posts)
38. I hope for Bernie's sake a lot of you work behind the scenes and
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:17 PM
May 2015

don't go out and attempt to convince likely voters to vote for him because,goddamn, some of you are incredibly tone deaf.


(39,165 posts)
40. Obama won two national elections
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:23 PM
May 2015

Bernie will not be "an Obama" until he wins one. You need to work on how that happens. Saying Bernie will not be "an Obama" is not a leading argument.


(39,215 posts)
41. I think he is the best voice we have had for many decades. But one thing we need to get
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:31 PM
May 2015

Democratic legislators into office if he is supposed to be able to get these things done and we are going to have to fight behind him the way we are fighting the TPA and TPP now. He will not be able to do it alone.


(5,700 posts)
43. Oh man, you are so wrong! President Obama is the best ever
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:18 AM
May 2015

to be elected after Bill Clinton. You all will realise what a great President Obama is when he is gone. Hope Hilary gets elected, if not, Republicans is not a viable option!


(6,993 posts)
52. Obama was a hell-of-a-politician
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:28 AM
May 2015

He told people everything they wanted to hear. He promised, one of many, that he would re-open the NAFTA trade agreement and negotiate items that was "stealing" American Jobs. (of course this didn't happen)
Obama served in the ILL. state legislature, Served as US Senator for 3 years and then started those well scripted speeches that fooled the Democrats into voting for him for POTUS.
And he fooled us twice. He gave the same speeches in 2012 and we voted for this corporatist again.

So you are correct Sanders is certainly no Obama

Renew Deal

(81,705 posts)
55. I'll take an Obama any day.
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:00 AM
May 2015

If we had more Obama's we'd be much better off. Bernie has a long history of fighting for Change. Obama has a long history of accomplishing it. Big difference.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
63. Corrupt, lying corporate politicians who sell out human beings and democracy itself
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:20 AM
May 2015

piss me off.

Human trafficking and the TPP

Hillary and Obama's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.

Pres. Obama Never Rescinded Bush Memo On Torture- Still Part of Military Interrogation Doctrine

Obama Justice Department indicts ex-CIA agent for exposing torture

Obama has stated flat out the USA does not Torture, BUT does it ...
(original discussion missing)

Obama's Torture Problem (Cover-up of torture at Guantanamo and CIA black sites)
(original discussion missing)

Fellow Nobel Peace Laureates to Obama: Stain of US Torture Your Job to Repair

Obama's Torture Bind (Torture, CIA "black sites&quot
(original discussion missing)

What Is Obama Doing At Bagram? (Part One): Torture Under the Obama Administration

Target of Obama-era rendition alleges torture
(original discussion missing)

The ACLU on Obama and Core Liberties
(original discussion missing)

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda,
(This list does not show a president trying to enact a liberal agenda and being obstructed. No, it shows him aggressively and proactively implementing policies for the banks and corporations at the expense of the 99 percent.)

CUT THE CRAP! Your Month in Review from the most "progressive" administration ever.
Whoa! More proactive corporatism!

Just a Republican thing, huh? Assaulting the Constitution itself
("Good god. I can't stop!&quot

Study: Obama's "Trade" Deal (TPP) Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
("A Republican is making me do it?!&quot

Obama’s Latest Betrayal of America and Americans in Favor of the Big Banks: TISA
("Oh, shit. Here I go again!&quot

Bombing Syria: The next step in the PNAC playbook, remember?
("They're Democratic peace bombs: TOTALLY different!&quot

The "Justice" Department under Obama
("Please, Mr. Holder! Stop! Stop!&quot

After the financial looting of 2008, Obama twists arms for FURTHER deregulation of Wall Street
through Cromnibus
("Just because we deliberately opened the door even wider doesn't mean the robbers will come back!&quot

Look at the OFFERS.
("God I hate when this happens!&quot

Barret Brown was just sentenced for his part in disclosing the goverment sponsorship of the propaganda state

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -

Reporters without Borders: 'Security interests threaten press freedom'

US Plummets In Press Freedom Rankings

Obama's escalating war on Freedom of the Press

Risen Case: War on Journalism coming to a head

Government Surveillance Is Crippling Press Freedoms, Report Shows

Mission Creep: When Everything is Terrorism

US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"

Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA

NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press

Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined

Govt's slimy tactics to silence journalism: Claim to establish "protections" for whistleblowers, when what you are actually doing is creating categories through which you can exclude from protection those you don't want to protect.

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers, federal unions

Watergate whistleblower Daniel Ellsburg: Snowden would not get a fair trial today, was right to flee US

Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison

Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:

Editor of major German newspaper says he planted stories for CIA

Salon: Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups

The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.

Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online

The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.

Propaganda Ban Repealed As Government Made News Floods U.S.

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.

What is the NSA really for? (Corporate power and suppression of dissent)

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”

Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism

NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops

Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast)

Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits

NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street.

NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?

Social Media and the Stasi

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers

U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)

PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying

Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama)

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change

Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe

"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'"

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent

President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)

Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans

DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.

Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans

DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers

Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations

Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy

Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon

Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented

The DoJ under Obama/Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook

Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter

Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like

Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations

Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.

The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture.

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment

Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data

DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz

Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison

Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.


(93,355 posts)
64. Big difference btw Obama and Sanders
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:21 AM
May 2015

Obama stepped in to the Presidential race with a year's planning, lining up financial and political support, and while he refused contributions by lobbyists, he had no objection to taking money from 1%ers. I see no sign that Sanders will have anywhere close to the same financial support (complain all you want about "the money primary"; this is the political system we have to day) or some innovative method of running a national campaign on a shoestring.



(376 posts)
93. You can spend all the money you want on Hillary, I don't care...
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

The revolution will not be televised, it will only report the outcome.

And Bernie will be leading the revolution and Hillary will just be a bad memory by June of 2016.


(28,119 posts)
68. Bernie: He's not Jesus. He's God Almighty, Himself.
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:37 AM
May 2015

I'm getting really weary of these posts, beatifying Mr. Sanders. You want to support him, vote for him? Fair enough, I have no problem with that. But spare us the worshipful tones, OK? It's way too much like the 1972 McGovern campaign.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
72. +1000000 24/7 propaganda and manipulation have become standard MO of our corrupt political machines
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

This is the difference between representative government working for citizens, and corporate rule that has contempt for them.

Propaganda is a base, dishonest occupation. It requires a special kind of moral bankruptcy to choose to participate in this vile, manipulative dishonesty, this sellout of human beings and democracy itself.


(146,062 posts)
71. You're right. He's not an Obama.
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:47 AM
May 2015

And that's why he's going to have a very hard time becoming the Democratic nominee. Like Obama, he's pretty much an unknown, but there the resemblance ends. Both were Senators, though. One was a Democratic Senator and the other is an Independent/Democratic Socialist Senator.

One spoke at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made a great impression on people. The other did not speak at any Democratic Convention, and is known pretty much only in his own state, one of the states with the lowest population in the country.

Both have had some great ideas. One managed to get several of those put in place, despite a hostile Congress. The other has not had great success getting his own ideas through the Senate, but has voted with the Democrats on most issues.

One mobilized a demographic that normally didn't turn out for elections, energizing a community that he uniquely represented. The other, we're not sure of in terms of turning out masses of voters to win primaries. He might turn out people, but perhaps not in numbers high enough to overcome a popular Democratic opponent, who also represents an under-represented demographic group, and has high popularity among blacks and Hispanics, as did Obama.

One will not be running in the 2016 primaries. He's already in his second term in the White House, and cannot run again. At some point, Obama, who is still very popular, will endorse a candidate. There's no uncertainty who that candidate will be, and that candidate will gain many votes from than endorsement. The other will not be endorsed by most extremely influential current office holders. That could make a real difference in the primary elections.

Senator Sanders will have me supporting him in Minnesota's caucus and convention system. President Obama had that support as well, in 2008 and 2012. So they have that in common. How important that will be in Minnesota, though, is not clear. Hillary Clinton enjoys high popularity in Minnesota among likely primary voters and caucus-goers. She will likely prevail in Minnesota.

You are correct. Bernie Sanders is not an Obama. That will probably prove to be a drawback in his primary candidacy. Barack Obama won because he is an Obama. His dynamism, relative youth, and skills as a speaker, along with many other factors, led him to two nominations and two elections as President. Being an Obama is a big plus when you're running for national office. It's not a good think that Senator Sanders is so different from Obama. It's something to overcome, if he can.


(14,524 posts)
77. Thank you Mr Status Quo.
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:39 AM
May 2015

It might surprise you to learn, there is a rapidly growing movement that no longer buys your drivel.



(376 posts)
96. Yep
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:29 PM
May 2015

MM sounds like he's parroting Third Way garbage.. I know types like him aren't the real Democrats, despite the "creds" they sound like they have..



(31,849 posts)
103. +1 ...
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:45 PM
May 2015

That about sums up the reality.

The "growing movement " that du heralds, is mostly on DU and a couple left wing blogs.


(84,711 posts)
105. The "Underground" of the Dem Party is for Bernie. In Exile they've grown in numbers...
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:49 PM
May 2015

They are out there and they've been held in silence or pushed back (for many "loyalty" reasons) since Obama started his run for Presidency.

We shall see how it turns out. But, those who have not have a voice for a very long time and those who learned in the last decade or so that their voice wasn't being heard, or the courtesy of even recognized, are now standing up.

I was surprised to see you vote for Bernie in the latest DU "Straw Pole." Are you, now, one of those now speaking out, also?


(14,524 posts)
73. I have thank to Barack Obama.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:09 AM
May 2015

He has taught me a very valuable lesson. NEVER be fooled by campaign bullshit, look at the candidate's history and associations, not their blah, blah, blah.

Not good news for Hillary R Clinton.


(37,152 posts)
87. "He's the Real Deal" - yep, that's where we are today...
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:43 PM
May 2015

Voters have to try to figure out who is real and who is a con man or woman - and not the usual con man, but who is just a puppet for corporate control of the United States of America.

Horrific time in our history as a nation.

11 Bravo

(23,921 posts)
94. You mean Bernie's NOT a Kenyan, Muslim, socialist tyrant?
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:28 PM
May 2015

QUICK! Tell FoxNews! I'm sure they'll run with it.



(28,270 posts)
99. Trashing the President?
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:41 PM
May 2015

Classy Bernie fans. I wonder if your idol approves of the mud you sling at Hillary and the President?


(14,524 posts)
106. Idol worship is more your style.
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:54 PM
May 2015

Senator Sanders supporters are mostly about policy and what the candidates history has shown them to be.

People who don't want their works criticized, should stay far away from political office. None are immune, including your "idols."

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