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2016 Postmortem

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IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:34 PM May 2016

The FBI just cost me $5 and a pizza. [View all]

Here is the story...and it is long!

So, I am one of the many people who already knew Hillary has been lying through her teeth about her email and private server situation before the "official formal confirmation" via the State Departments Inspector General report came out last week, but honestly, not until mid-March of this year.

Honestly, I had been tuning out "email stuff" along with anything related to "Benghazi" because I thought it was Republican whining. Granted, they hadn't been whining about her performance prior to Benghazi, but I *assumed* they just were starting things up again because maybe they were bored or something. Frankly, 2013 was still too early for me to believe they were gearing up against Hillary as a potential presidential candidate -- way too early, right? In hindsight, I realize they were doing what they were supposed to as "loyal opposition in a two party system" but it is still annoying sometimes, right?

So when I read a thread entitled so here's what we know from the newest dump of HRC emails. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511509720) on March 16, 2016 I was really surprised. I did not know about Sid Blumenthal, or him being banned from the White House, or his business contacts in Libya, or him getting paid by the Clinton Foundation!

Then I read Clinton Foundations biggest beneficiaries are the Clintons (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511513340) on March 17, and my suspicions grew.

I started following threads here at DU on the topic, and began putting the pieces together. It was extremely upsetting. I have a thirty year IT background, and the more I read, the worse it looked.

IT Trivia: a "personal email account" is a different thing than a "private server in a basement"; pretending they are the same and "all the other Secretaries did it" is a Big Red Not Telling The Truth Flag.

Finally, on April 4, 2016 I wrote Hillary's Email Scandal for Non-Techy People (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511643968) which hit the Greatest Page with 101 recs. I really need to update that thread. Sigh.

The more I read, the worse it got. The FBI was keeping a pretty tight lid on things, but leaks were getting out via reputable sources, and everything kept getting confirmed.

-- Her IT guy was given immunity.
-- The hacker was extradited.
-- The law was excruciatingly clear.

By April 22, 2016 I was actually having to chew on some crow when I discovered actual reporting from two FOX News reporters. The world had officially gone mad! I shared the leaks here on a thread titled Hillary People - Trash this Thread; Others - Consider it FYI (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511810912) with appropriate caveats, and it received 131 recs.

I still had policy issues with Hillary (I won't link to those posts, but they are in my journal). Meanwhile, DUer PaulThompson of the famous "911 Timeline" began working on a similar project for the "Hillary Clinton Email Scandal" and reading it turned me officially wrathful.

I wrote She's SUCH A LIAR. And she thinks people are STUPID. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511880685) on May 2, 2016 and it hit 226 recs. It should also be updated. Sigh.

My "speaking truth to DU" came with a price: a new level of "alert stalking" was created especially for me and shared in the Hillary Group. Please alert this post to the administrators. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107122402) was written the same day, and received 15 recs. Other posts of mine began to be alerted with regularity; most failed, but today my transparency page shows. I am okay with that -- none are abusive or inappropriate, although my scorn for the "corporate whore" nonsense was particularly biting.

But let me also hasten to add a very good thing in this story: my appreciation for this community, which I shared in a very special post on May 8, 2016 My 10,000 Post & Almost 12 years on DU! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511924563). This is a good place!

I've really distracted from the point of this story, haven't I? How those lazy bastard FBI folk cost me $5 and a pizza? Well, it goes back to Hillary. You see, the more I read, the more convinced I became that there is no way in Hell this woman is going to be our nominee because I think the FBI is going to recommend she be indicted. All the dates I was reading kept sayin "May" so I put my money where my mouth was, and made a few "fifty cent" bets that she would either be indicted or out "due to personal problems" before Memorial Day, with the proceedings going to DU. Oh, and the same bet with a dear friend for some awesome local pizza.

And I was wrong!!!

Those folks are still doinking around -- they've interviewed the aides, done a plea deal with the hacker, granted immunity to the IT guy, and even have the official report from the State Inspector General - why are they taking so long?



So, as an honorable person, I have now donated my $5 to DU and will be making my "pizza payoff plans". It's the right thing to do, and DU is totally worth it.

I still think the indictment is on its way. I think it would have been good for everyone to have their desks cleared before the holiday, but I can be sympathetic about a nice long weekend break with the family before the shit storm hits. Plus, I think the "gently breaking that Hillary has been lying" strategy with the State Inspector Generals report is a good one; the media has been propping her as the Annoited One since last year, and the shift is going to be painful for many people.

So yes, I still believe in the "Indictment Fairy" as some choose to call it. As I said earlier today,

"I *expect* her to be indicted; I will be *shocked* if she isn't. <snip> If the FBI does indict on RICO, I will actually be relieved because it will calm me down about "separate rules for the rich" and make me feel safer about being protected from criminal enterprises in the government."

I am still supporting Bernie Sanders, and trusting the owners of this site will figure out a way to maintain the community they have built while remaining true to their mission of supporting Democrats. I will not be happy if I end up banned and I am personally clueless as to how they will be able to play the "don't say anything bad about Hillary" game when there is going to be nothing except bad news about her until this situation is over. I am sure they have already discussed the headaches they anticipate, and I am somewhat cheered by the fact that is not my headache to deal with -- DU is not a democracy; it is a message board.

And despite my disappointment in the FBI not just finishing it up already, I am okay with DU getting my $5.

But if the FBI and DOJ drop the hammer this week, those guys are seriously going to owe me some pizza because the good stuff is NOT cheap!

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The indictment will drop in 24 business hours. It's like Fitzmas all over again... tritsofme May 2016 #1
You think? My bet is on the Friday before the 4th of July. Vinca May 2016 #2
""Wish in one hand, crap in the other. See which one gets filled first." (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #12
What, no video? dchill May 2016 #36
... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #37
Interesting choice, no crap, no hands... dchill May 2016 #39
More Sly DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #41
I already did. dchill May 2016 #43
June 8th reddread May 2016 #4
I'd love to have that present for my daughter's birthday. LOL. Fawke Em May 2016 #35
That's what I'm thinking. JudyM May 2016 #42
Is that why Obama hasn't endorsed her? B Calm May 2016 #19
He's waiting until after she's declared the presumptive nominee. TwilightZone May 2016 #23
We'll see. B Calm May 2016 #24
No he understands that as CiC he cannot talk on an ongoing nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #26
Oh, please. TwilightZone May 2016 #31
Whether he endorses or not is up to him nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #32
Well said..not sure how bright the party leaders are however... tokenlib May 2016 #56
I particularly don't give two shits about them getting it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #57
OwnerS of this site greiner3 May 2016 #89
Nada to do with thick skin nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90
This is more than emails. lmbradford May 2016 #46
The server had a password! scscholar May 2016 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R May 2016 #72
Lewis Lukens, executive director of the executive secretariat for the State Department scscholar May 2016 #75
He wont now. lmbradford May 2016 #45
And that's why Warren is the only female Democratic senator not to endorse Hill? senz May 2016 #65
The FBI will find she violated her security clearance. Leave it to AG to decide to indict. leveymg May 2016 #77
Oh goody. Some fall guy like Scooter Libby will take the hit and everyone else is off scott free n eridani May 2016 #81
just a little Dem-bashing fun bigtree May 2016 #3
Enjoy your pizza. hrmjustin May 2016 #5
You are denigrating the seminal poster's impending martyrdom. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #13
Yeah, I've noticed nobody can question her. barrow-wight May 2016 #22
Sure you can, extremely brand new Hillary DU supporter. Buddyblazon May 2016 #83
OMG! Wow! barrow-wight May 2016 #84
Ida, thanks for the great posts, links, and supplying pizza to fellow Democrats. EndElectoral May 2016 #6
My guess on the indictment. November 9th. EndElectoral May 2016 #7
You could be right. CrispyQ May 2016 #15
Love your humor Ida, great post! 2banon May 2016 #8
and thanks to all the good DU-ers who have... grasswire May 2016 #9
Dunno, Ida. I was really, really sure yodermon May 2016 #10
Eight more days per the owner of this site, fifteen on the outside. (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #11
I guess DC doesn't count - June 14th. Rattlesnake Chaser May 2016 #27
Eight more days per the owner of this site, fifteen on the outside. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #29
You get your safe space. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
Yup, and I will treat this place with the same humor as Free Republic nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #28
TPTB want HRC over Trump. There will be no indictment. CrispyQ May 2016 #14
I am amused that you are praying to the indictment fairy for help Gothmog May 2016 #16
The Denial Wizard is much more powerful. BillZBubb May 2016 #52
The sad part is they don't cares what she has done. It's Authoritarian Adulation. rhett o rick May 2016 #58
It's a cult. BillZBubb May 2016 #64
I think it's very similar. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #66
Read the report or have someone read it and explain it to you Gothmog May 2016 #60
"No crimes were broken"--Classic! BillZBubb May 2016 #62
You really think that is siginficant Gothmog May 2016 #68
No, she did not provide her emails. That would mean she provided ALL of them. cui bono May 2016 #87
Thank you for this and your many other thoughtful and informative posts. femmedem May 2016 #17
Thank you! IdaBriggs May 2016 #21
ditto to the above poster Voice for Peace May 2016 #38
*CLAP*CLAP* Tarc May 2016 #18
Still no Tinkerbell. Nt msanthrope May 2016 #30
... CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #20
An excellent post, IdaBriggs! Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #25
Everybody is missing the bigger picture of Quid Pro Quo laserhaas May 2016 #34
.... and Voice for Peace May 2016 #40
This whole spectacle is akin to the Republicans John Poet May 2016 #78
its like the DNC and Dem powers are trying to race to laserhaas May 2016 #82
Can I get some ranch dressing COLGATE4 May 2016 #79
Thank you.. Very good post.. LiberalArkie May 2016 #44
Start with the conclusion ... then work backwards ... JoePhilly May 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #48
Indicting Clinton would harm Obama's legacy, he and his staff undoubtedly got emails from HRC HereSince1628 May 2016 #49
Not indicting in spite of an FBI recommendation to indict... Yurovsky May 2016 #54
Seems Obama can probably run the clock out, keeping it 'under review' by DOJ. HereSince1628 May 2016 #55
This has reached a point where its gonna bite Obama in the ass regardless tularetom May 2016 #61
Obama is a lame-duck with little more that can be accomplished other than HereSince1628 May 2016 #63
Well, I like Obama and hope he won't let Hill drag him down. senz May 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #50
Maybe you'll get a tombstone pizza in a week or so. Metric System May 2016 #51
And aren't you just a charmer! IdaBriggs May 2016 #59
Is Rush even this obsessed with this story?? Bleacher Creature May 2016 #67
Hillary's still not going to be indicted. Hope you enjoyed your $5.00 and your pizza. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #69
I'll settle for her withdrawal for "personal reasons" but am IdaBriggs May 2016 #73
We don' need no steenking facts. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #80
Thanks for all the good information and links, Ida! senz May 2016 #71
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #74
"I wrote She's SUCH A LIAR. And she thinks people are STUPID." quickesst May 2016 #76
Great post ... I always follow your writings because Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #85
I think your biggest problem was allowing yourself to think that Hillary would ever drop out. cui bono May 2016 #86
K&R B Calm May 2016 #88
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