HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Retired » Retired Forums » 2016 Postmortem (Forum) » She's SUCH A LIAR. And sh...

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:49 AM

 

She's SUCH A LIAR. And she thinks people are STUPID.

And unfortunately, a lot of them are.

Yes, I've started reading DUer Paul Thompson's "Clinton Email Scandal Timeline" and I am ANGRY. If you aren't, you should be. Here's a link: http://thompsontimeline.com/IS_CLINTON%27S_EMAIL_SCANDAL_FOR_REAL%3F

Now, let's go over some of it, shall we?

SHE LIED UNDER OATH <== Did she learn NOTHING from the impeachment of her husband about how seriously that is viewed?

SIGNED STATEMENT UNDER OATH on August 10, 2015:

"I have directed that all my emails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done."

Except she was lying, because not only did Sidney Blumenthal turn in a bunch she "forgot", but the DEFENSE DEPARTMENT found ten more between her and General David Petraeus from January/February of 2009 when her machine had no encryption and he was Commander of United States Central Command.

SHE MIGHT BE AN IDIOT <== On what planet would someone think communication between the United States Secretary of State and the Four Star General Commander of United States Central Command wasn't classified?

Can we assume they were too busy to be trading Lolcats?

SHE IS A TERRIBLE CRIMINAL<== Oh, but it gets better -- I had wondered why she had her staff PRINT off 30,000 emails and then make such a production of presenting them. She knew how to do an email dump electronically (her attorney had copies of the unrelated emails on a thumb drive in his office for months!), so why kill the trees?

The State Department found that all of nine and parts of six emails handed over by Blumenthal (my note: about Libya) were missing from the 30,000 emails Clinton had turned over.

Huh? "Parts of six" -- She had her staff dump the emails to Word, delete stuff they shouldn't have been sending and assumed no one would notice/do a comparison with any other copy!

It's never the crime that gets Washington people in trouble -- it's always the cover up. WHY would she be SO STUPID? That whole "I love my Blackberry because it is just the easiest, best tool ever!" makes no sense when you read this bit --

Clinton turned down the offer to have a secure computer installed in her office so she could check her emails from the comfort of her desk. Instead, even though she was highly dependent on email communication, she had to leave her office, retrieve her BlackBerry from security, go to a nearby secure area, use her BlackBerry, and then give it back to security before returning to her office, every single time. As a result, she would sometimes complain about having to go hours between checking her emails.

That's not convenience - that's cover up.

SHE BETRAYED HER OFFICE <== Why didn't she tell someone to have "no security clearance" Sidney Blumenthal arrested or investigated for how he was getting his hands on NSA and CIA information? They sent and received over a thousand emails (almost every other day!), and --

Many of these contained highly classified information. Curiously, most of those were sent by Blumenthal, even though he was a private citizen with no security clearance whatsoever. Blumenthal appears to have been running a private intelligence back channel operation to Clinton using information from a former CIA official named Tyler Drumheller. Drumheller left the CIA in 2005, but at least one email shows he got his information from an active CIA official. Furthermore, we know from a June 2011 email that was completely unredacted by accident (and then later redacted) that Blumenthal sent Clinton information from NSA reports about a meeting of rebel generals in Sudan that had taken place mere hours earlier!


Did she not know? Only if she couldn't read:

He often included warnings in all caps and specifically stated that his information came from sources that had to make the information born classified. For instance, in July 2012, he sent Clinton an email about Egypt he said was "CONFIDENTIAL," which is the third level of classified information according to US government regulations. Then he gave this warning: "SOURCE: Sources with access to the highest levels of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, and Western Intelligence and security services. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION COMES FROM AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SOURCE AND SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH CARE."

I believe that language was copied word-for-word from something Blumenthal shouldn't have had so if he had it, who else did? And the fact our intelligence people have "access to the highest levels of the Muslim Brotherhood" AND THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD NOW KNOW IT BECAUSE SHE ASKED STATE TO RELEASE ALL OF HER EMAILS AND THEY DID -- HILLARY THINKS THAT ISNT A BIG DEAL?

That's just one example. Hillary was emailing with foreign leaders, our military heads, and the freaking top people at NATO about everything from the Libyan Civil War to North Korea's nuclear arsenal. I'm all about "transparency in government" but there are reasons "classified" stuff stays "classified" while people's lives are at risk.

I am flabbergasted at the arrogance and ego of not only endangering national security in this way, but then making jokes about it and running for President after this level of monumental screw-up.

Its arrogance to think this doesn't matter, and arrogance that is bringing her down. Well, that and stupidity.

SHE REALLY IS AN IDIOT <== She may not know how the Internet actually works.

When a company named Platte River Networks took over management of Clinton's email server in mid-2013, it transferred all the contents of her server onto a new server and managed that, but also kept the old server.

So ANY EMPLOYEE OF Platte River Networks, BUT NOT THE FOLKS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT, could access the email records of the (former) United States Secretary of State? And none of the Platte River Network staff had security clearance or background checks or anything, and bonus! After they copied the data from the old sever to the new one, they kept it because why? Maybe to repurpose and sell on Ebay? <== Sarcasm

But it gets better!

Platte River Networks had a contract with another company called Datto (My Note: Also no security clearance or background checks or anything), which made monthly copies of the server in the cloud. But Platte River Networks didn't know this was happening since they didn't ask for it or pay for it, and they only found out about it after the FBI had taken the servers away.

Monthly backups On. The. Cloud. Google "naked pictures" of any celebrity, and then come back and tell me how secure that is -- why not just "cc" the local spy agencies and save everyone the trouble?

Paul has done a great job of documenting, linking and putting this all together -- it's big, it's ugly, and it's bad. There's more - way more -- but I am beyond convinced that if the FBI doesn't recommend indictment, the precedent created from "how to handle classified material" through "government employees don't get to hide government records" will be catastrophic.



PaulThompson announcement thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511879555

395 replies, 23078 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 395 replies Author Time Post
Reply She's SUCH A LIAR. And she thinks people are STUPID. (Original post)
IdaBriggs May 2016 OP
pinebox May 2016 #1
LineLineReply .
tk2kewl May 2016 #18
FreakinDJ May 2016 #70
Fawke Em May 2016 #143
libdem4life May 2016 #223
IdaBriggs May 2016 #237
libdem4life May 2016 #239
KoKo May 2016 #378
Faux pas May 2016 #82
sufrommich May 2016 #2
grossproffit May 2016 #8
SCantiGOP May 2016 #217
oasis May 2016 #19
MariaThinks May 2016 #20
tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #100
MariaThinks May 2016 #250
tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #291
IdaBriggs May 2016 #22
sufrommich May 2016 #24
CoffeeCat May 2016 #80
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #128
Ohioblue22 May 2016 #167
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #181
LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #241
Ohioblue22 May 2016 #304
northernsouthern May 2016 #351
libdem4life May 2016 #230
Enthusiast May 2016 #322
libdem4life May 2016 #372
tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #98
Herman4747 May 2016 #344
FreakinDJ May 2016 #74
Avalux May 2016 #69
sufrommich May 2016 #72
Avalux May 2016 #77
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #79
tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #109
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #110
IdaBriggs May 2016 #130
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #132
IdaBriggs May 2016 #142
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #159
IdaBriggs May 2016 #175
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #188
IdaBriggs May 2016 #194
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #197
grasswire May 2016 #240
Kip Humphrey May 2016 #193
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #195
Kip Humphrey May 2016 #224
libdem4life May 2016 #205
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #207
libdem4life May 2016 #211
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #214
libdem4life May 2016 #218
libdem4life May 2016 #227
CoffeeCat May 2016 #73
sufrommich May 2016 #76
CoffeeCat May 2016 #90
libdem4life May 2016 #210
CoffeeCat May 2016 #234
IdaBriggs May 2016 #360
libdem4life May 2016 #363
floriduck May 2016 #199
nolabels May 2016 #368
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #129
IdaBriggs May 2016 #133
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #153
IdaBriggs May 2016 #165
cui bono May 2016 #314
CoffeeCat May 2016 #161
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #177
CoffeeCat May 2016 #203
cui bono May 2016 #305
polly7 May 2016 #310
truedelphi Jun 2016 #392
JudyM May 2016 #174
VulgarPoet May 2016 #273
JudyM May 2016 #287
uponit7771 May 2016 #293
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #86
Android3.14 May 2016 #88
IdaBriggs May 2016 #149
Fawke Em May 2016 #148
JudyM May 2016 #170
840high May 2016 #206
Name removed May 2016 #333
RandySF May 2016 #3
JoePhilly May 2016 #14
libdem4life May 2016 #221
Dem2 May 2016 #4
djean111 May 2016 #5
tonyt53 May 2016 #6
Post removed May 2016 #336
bjo59 May 2016 #7
tularetom May 2016 #52
pdsimdars May 2016 #9
IdaBriggs May 2016 #25
pdsimdars May 2016 #45
Land of Enchantment May 2016 #94
haikugal May 2016 #331
leftofcool May 2016 #10
IdaBriggs May 2016 #33
pdsimdars May 2016 #47
notadmblnd May 2016 #216
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #134
cui bono May 2016 #312
TheKentuckian May 2016 #329
MelissaB May 2016 #249
grasswire May 2016 #244
IdaBriggs May 2016 #255
stonecutter357 May 2016 #11
Human101948 May 2016 #15
Arugula Latte May 2016 #64
frylock May 2016 #99
GeorgeGist May 2016 #198
TheKentuckian May 2016 #334
bkkyosemite May 2016 #16
stonecutter357 May 2016 #28
JudyM May 2016 #40
Android3.14 May 2016 #93
frylock May 2016 #95
Logical May 2016 #348
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #12
JudyM May 2016 #41
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #54
JudyM May 2016 #66
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #68
bkkyosemite May 2016 #13
JudyM May 2016 #42
polly7 May 2016 #46
bkkyosemite May 2016 #55
JudyM May 2016 #89
polly7 May 2016 #107
JudyM May 2016 #118
polly7 May 2016 #173
Kalidurga May 2016 #359
karynnj May 2016 #104
COLGATE4 May 2016 #140
grasswire May 2016 #246
COLGATE4 May 2016 #259
arcane1 May 2016 #265
leftynyc May 2016 #17
tokenlib May 2016 #21
JudyM May 2016 #43
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #136
pdsimdars May 2016 #260
cui bono May 2016 #313
COLGATE4 May 2016 #146
creeksneakers2 May 2016 #353
truedelphi Jun 2016 #389
creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #395
Jitter65 May 2016 #23
amborin May 2016 #26
pdsimdars May 2016 #51
CoffeeCat May 2016 #87
IdaBriggs May 2016 #243
pdsimdars May 2016 #262
Dragonfli May 2016 #317
haikugal May 2016 #337
Onlooker May 2016 #27
JudyM May 2016 #44
Jester Messiah May 2016 #155
Akicita May 2016 #176
Onlooker May 2016 #226
Akicita May 2016 #232
Duppers May 2016 #269
Uncle Joe May 2016 #29
yourpaljoey May 2016 #30
thesquanderer May 2016 #31
FreakinDJ May 2016 #32
SidDithers May 2016 #34
Arugula Latte May 2016 #71
Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #137
grasswire May 2016 #248
apnu May 2016 #35
IdaBriggs May 2016 #49
apnu May 2016 #58
IdaBriggs May 2016 #135
apnu May 2016 #147
KoKo May 2016 #375
JudyM May 2016 #50
pdsimdars May 2016 #56
apnu May 2016 #57
Autumn May 2016 #60
apnu May 2016 #63
SunSeeker May 2016 #78
Autumn May 2016 #85
SunSeeker May 2016 #185
pdsimdars May 2016 #263
frylock May 2016 #105
Akicita May 2016 #189
Autumn May 2016 #242
frylock May 2016 #102
Ino May 2016 #253
arcane1 May 2016 #268
TheKentuckian May 2016 #338
TheKentuckian May 2016 #335
LanternWaste May 2016 #36
pdsimdars May 2016 #59
leftofcool May 2016 #62
CoffeeCat May 2016 #125
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #141
pdsimdars May 2016 #264
DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #37
rjsquirrel May 2016 #38
xloadiex May 2016 #39
Tarc May 2016 #48
JudyM May 2016 #61
Tarc May 2016 #65
frylock May 2016 #117
JudyM May 2016 #152
Tarc May 2016 #154
JudyM May 2016 #162
Tarc May 2016 #166
JudyM May 2016 #169
Tarc May 2016 #171
JudyM May 2016 #180
Tarc May 2016 #183
frylock May 2016 #187
Tarc May 2016 #192
frylock May 2016 #196
grasswire May 2016 #251
Jester Messiah May 2016 #158
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #144
JudyM May 2016 #157
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #172
frylock May 2016 #190
deathrind May 2016 #200
JudyM May 2016 #275
Akicita May 2016 #209
frylock May 2016 #120
Tarc May 2016 #150
frylock May 2016 #179
Tarc May 2016 #182
frylock May 2016 #184
grasswire May 2016 #254
Tarc May 2016 #256
grasswire May 2016 #258
truedelphi Jun 2016 #390
Tarc Jun 2016 #394
840high May 2016 #208
Gothmog May 2016 #53
BootinUp May 2016 #67
bkkyosemite May 2016 #81
BootinUp May 2016 #91
bkkyosemite May 2016 #92
Akicita May 2016 #219
BootinUp May 2016 #220
Akicita May 2016 #229
BootinUp May 2016 #233
Akicita May 2016 #235
BootinUp May 2016 #236
Akicita May 2016 #289
emulatorloo May 2016 #281
Akicita May 2016 #290
pdsimdars May 2016 #266
sharp_stick May 2016 #75
FlatBaroque May 2016 #113
sharp_stick May 2016 #123
pdsimdars May 2016 #267
sharp_stick May 2016 #272
johnp3907 May 2016 #83
Mesee May 2016 #84
leftofcool May 2016 #101
frylock May 2016 #119
grasswire May 2016 #307
Logical May 2016 #340
Logical May 2016 #349
Mesee May 2016 #191
pdsimdars May 2016 #270
truedelphi Jun 2016 #391
OKNancy May 2016 #96
bbgrunt May 2016 #97
seabeyond May 2016 #103
Buzz Clik May 2016 #106
Bobbie Jo May 2016 #108
TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #111
pdsimdars May 2016 #271
beachbumbob May 2016 #112
Petrushka May 2016 #116
TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #127
Petrushka May 2016 #114
PatSeg May 2016 #115
LenaBaby61 May 2016 #126
PatSeg May 2016 #131
pdsimdars May 2016 #274
PatSeg May 2016 #282
pdsimdars May 2016 #284
PatSeg May 2016 #324
frylock May 2016 #121
840high May 2016 #212
J_J_ May 2016 #122
ismnotwasm May 2016 #124
pacalo May 2016 #138
pnwmom May 2016 #139
frylock May 2016 #186
grasswire May 2016 #308
pnwmom May 2016 #309
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #145
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #151
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #156
pdsimdars May 2016 #276
ucrdem May 2016 #160
pdsimdars May 2016 #277
MineralMan May 2016 #163
840high May 2016 #213
LineLineReply .
BootinUp May 2016 #215
rladdi May 2016 #164
IdaBriggs May 2016 #178
pdsimdars May 2016 #278
2cannan May 2016 #231
AzDar May 2016 #168
MFM008 May 2016 #201
deathrind May 2016 #202
Progressive dog May 2016 #204
randome May 2016 #261
pdsimdars May 2016 #280
Progressive dog May 2016 #296
Mike Nelson May 2016 #222
dem in texas May 2016 #225
anigbrowl May 2016 #228
grasswire May 2016 #238
LiberalArkie May 2016 #245
Autumn Colors May 2016 #247
pdsimdars May 2016 #283
840high May 2016 #342
disillusioned73 May 2016 #252
randome May 2016 #257
MissDeeds May 2016 #279
emulatorloo May 2016 #286
MissDeeds May 2016 #292
emulatorloo May 2016 #295
MissDeeds May 2016 #297
emulatorloo May 2016 #300
pdsimdars May 2016 #285
joshcryer May 2016 #288
LisaM May 2016 #294
TheDormouse May 2016 #298
TheDormouse May 2016 #299
TheDormouse May 2016 #301
JonathanRackham May 2016 #302
Demsrule86 May 2016 #303
VOX May 2016 #306
Loki May 2016 #311
Dragonfli May 2016 #315
seabeyond May 2016 #316
mrdmk May 2016 #318
Matariki May 2016 #319
840high May 2016 #343
Buzz cook May 2016 #320
Jim Lane May 2016 #341
Buzz cook May 2016 #364
Jim Lane May 2016 #367
Buzz cook May 2016 #371
Jim Lane May 2016 #373
Enthusiast May 2016 #321
RiverLover May 2016 #323
niyad May 2016 #325
ronnykmarshall May 2016 #326
Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #327
IdaBriggs May 2016 #330
grasswire May 2016 #354
Little_Wing May 2016 #328
IdaBriggs May 2016 #332
grasswire May 2016 #355
Logical May 2016 #339
Pastiche423 May 2016 #345
leveymg May 2016 #346
grasswire May 2016 #356
Logical May 2016 #347
dooner May 2016 #350
AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #352
grasswire May 2016 #358
grasswire May 2016 #357
HereSince1628 May 2016 #361
IdaBriggs May 2016 #362
HereSince1628 May 2016 #369
2cannan May 2016 #366
dana_b May 2016 #365
riversedge May 2016 #370
Jim Lane May 2016 #374
Demsrule86 May 2016 #376
IdaBriggs May 2016 #377
Demsrule86 May 2016 #380
IdaBriggs May 2016 #381
Demsrule86 May 2016 #382
IdaBriggs May 2016 #383
Demsrule86 May 2016 #385
farleftlib May 2016 #379
Blue_Tires May 2016 #384
dchill May 2016 #386
Bob41213 May 2016 #387
B Calm Jun 2016 #388
truedelphi Jun 2016 #393

Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:50 AM

1. She certainly is

 









Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pinebox (Reply #1)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:11 AM

18. .

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tk2kewl (Reply #18)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:02 PM

70. Just a matter of time

 

Until an indictment is handed down

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #70)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:24 PM

143. The extradition of Guccifer tells me something is afoot.

It generally does not take 26 months to extradite someone from a bilateral nation like Romania, so it's not a result of bureaucratic red tape. And he was already doing time there, so there's no reason to rush him over here, now.

My guess is that he's here for a reason that isn't too comforting to the Clinton camp.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fawke Em (Reply #143)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:55 PM

223. I'm not up on this...can you give me a link...DU or otherwise...for info?

 

Thanks, in advance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to libdem4life (Reply #223)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:21 PM

237. Post #49 in this thread has a good starting link.

 

You can follow all the way to "Smoking Gun" and see the screen shots Guccifer took of the email between Blumenthal and Hillary. He also has his own Wikipedia page.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #237)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:23 PM

239. Thanks. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Fawke Em (Reply #143)

Wed May 4, 2016, 11:17 AM

378. Bob Woodward: Clinton Emails Remind Me of the Nixon Tapes

Bob Woodward: Clinton Emails Remind Me of the Nixon Tapes

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pinebox (Reply #1)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:14 PM

82. Oo oo oo

Thanks for these!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:53 AM

2. The fact that Sanders supporters are clinging to a fake

right wing generated scandal is both pathetic and desperate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:58 AM

8. And that post was allowed to stand. This one will as well. It's bullshit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grossproffit (Reply #8)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:43 PM

217. Agreed

OP and first response are the two worst I have seen on here in at least a week.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:11 AM

20. some sanders supporters will destroy all the good things that Bernie wans to do

and they will be the loudest victims if the gop gets the office again and installs more right wing SCOTUS judges to screw any progressive agenda for decades to come.

but bathe yourselves in hate and lies sanders supporters.

if he wins the nomination I will support him because I'm a Democrat and either Hillary or Bernie are acceptable. I'm certainly not going to spend my energy destroying one of our own.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MariaThinks (Reply #20)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:39 PM

100. And some Hillary supporters will risk destroying the...

Entire Democratic Party by defending their obviously damaged and compromised candidate. Ignoring the issue will not make it go away and it's going to come down sometime, whether before the convention, during the GE or after the election.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tex-wyo-dem (Reply #100)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:39 PM

250. you keep proving my point.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MariaThinks (Reply #250)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:47 PM

291. What, so we're just not supposed to talk about it...

Ignore, pretend it's not there? Even though it's a real FBI investigation, that the DoJ is taking it seriously, that several agencies are doing there own investigations (NSA, CIA, DoS) and this could have real devastating implications, not only to the Democratic front-runner, but to the whole party?

Sorry, but sticking your head into the sand isn't going to make it go away.

Ignoring shit our leaders do just because they are on the same team is something RWers do, not progressives.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:12 AM

22. Blue dress. Edwards' kid. Hillary's email.

 

Three examples of STUPID, UNNECESSARY and EMBARRASSING actual scandals caused by people who thought lying would protect them from consequences.

I like Bernie. I also like Biden and Warren. Hillary is so far down the list of what should be acceptable, anyone who knows about this stuff and ignores it deserves to be publicly humiliated for having helped create an atmosphere where she thought she could get away with it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #22)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:14 AM

24. Sad.nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #24)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:10 PM

80. What is really sad

is the willful ignorance of Hillary supporters.

How can you be so cavalier when the FBI may recommend indictment?

Do you think that denial will make this all go away?

You aren't doing yourself or your little friends any favors by encouraging ignorance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #80)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:09 PM

128. "the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails"

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #128)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:40 PM

167. It's just like with the super delegates. He was against them before he was for them

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ohioblue22 (Reply #167)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:52 PM

181. BINGO!

It's the final thrashings of a desperate campaign that has already lost - and he's doing it BADLY.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ohioblue22 (Reply #167)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:27 PM

241. As one gets more information, one can change their opinion no?

Just like many more Democrat primary voters are now regretting their early vote for Ms. Clinton. (Based on the fact that Bernie is on par, and in some polls ahead, with Democrats in national polls)

And no, Bernie is not a fan of the Superdelegate system. Just because he suggested that perhaps a Superdelegate's support should actually reflect the will of his or her constituents? Sorry you'll have to do better than that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #241)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:45 PM

304. He didn't just suggest that the s.d.s should reflect. after railing against them he started talking

 

About trying to to steal them away.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ohioblue22 (Reply #304)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:53 AM

351. So you have people that are stealing your votes...

 

...do you just let them take them, or take them back? I hate superdelegates, with a passion. I am actively voting against every one of them in Washington. They stole the election, and continue to do so. The only thing that may wake up the HRC camp is if they suddenly vote against them...or elect a third candidate since they could possibly do that too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #128)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:01 PM

230. Strange, that didn't make the issue go away. And now we have The Foundation.

 

I know, all a RW plot against the Clintons. But how to get rid of all of those videos?

One word...denial and attack the messenger. No supporter that I have read has any logical counter to these, what appear to be, facts.

That may work on a discussion board, well to some extent, but not to the GE. That's why Bernie scores higher against Republicans...consistently.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #128)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:51 PM

322. I think, at the time Bernie was unaware of the serious nature of the e-mail issue.

All of us are conditioned to think accusations against the Clintons by the Republicans are usually silly fabrications. Turns out that is not always the case. For a long time I thought, "Just more made up shit." I think Bernie had the same impression I did.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Enthusiast (Reply #322)

Wed May 4, 2016, 01:02 AM

372. That's my take as well.

 

.He is a gentleman and truly liked her. And at that time it was just another shady situation that she seems to attract.

But now it's way more and almost every day..
drip drip. Lasting this long it's got legs and more keeps coming out.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #24)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:33 PM

98. Yes, sad that Hillary supporters prefer to...

Protect their candidate rather than look at the facts.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #24)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:04 PM

344. What is "sad" is that unless Indictment Fairy comes through for the nation...

 

...we will be stuck with a belligerent, insincere liar becoming our president, instead of having a great liberal assuming that position.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #22)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:05 PM

74. Because Lying is second nature for Establishment Politics

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:01 PM

69. It's really convenient to blame right wingers for Hillary's poor decision making, isn't it?

With Hillary supporters its a reflexive, standard reaction, in defense of the indefensible - what amounts to a bad judgement call by a woman who is asking us to put her in charge of this country.

"But, but....the GOP hates Hilllary! They are making all of this up! She did nothing wrong!"

Facts are facts and they stand on their own. Hillary is not a victim here, this is not a vast right wing conspiracy. She is responsible for her own actions and should be held accountable for her email fuck up.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Avalux (Reply #69)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:02 PM

72. Sad.nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #72)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:07 PM

77. Is that all you can say? Why is my post sad?

Hillary acted in a way that shows us she believed she didn't need to follow the rules of her employer. There's a reason procedures are in place and she went around them because why? She's a Clinton?

Her carelessness and above-the-law attitude could have done serious damage to this country.

But I'm sure you're ok with all of that, right?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #72)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:08 PM

79. Remarkable what 25 years of non stop propaganda can do to a person.

Some of the folks spreading this horseshit are actually liberals or they think they are.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #79)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:46 PM

109. Facts are not horseshit, but willfully ignoring them are...

A very "un-liberal" way of behaving, BTW. I would expect RWers to ignore irrefutable facts to protect their leaders, because they likes their authoritarianism...but self described liberals/progressives? Sad

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tex-wyo-dem (Reply #109)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:47 PM

110. Facts? Here is the facts, not putting a Democrat in the White House will result

in death and destruction.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #110)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:13 PM

130. There are other Democrats in this country.

 

Don't like Bernie? Pick someone else -- this candidate is damaged goods and may seriously destroy the entire brand if she is chosen as "our best pick!"

The FBI investigates CRIMES.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/quick-facts

1. Protect the United States from terrorist attack
2. Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and espionage
3. Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and high-technology crimes
4. Combat public corruption at all levels
5. Protect civil rights
6. Combat transnational/national criminal organizations and enterprises
7. Combat major white-collar crime
8. Combat significant violent crime
9. Support federal, state, local and international partners
10. Upgrade technology to successfully perform the FBI’s mission

They don't have the budget to "clear Hillary's name" -- if they've spent a year investigating, retrieved the "monthly back ups" so they can confirm when she started deleting government records, gotten a key witness extradited from a foreign country, and managed to get the IT guy immunity, they aren't playing games.

And she knows it, because she already has her criminal defense attorney on retainer.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #130)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:14 PM

132. President Trump thanks you

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #132)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:23 PM

142. Actually, it's HILLARY he should be thanking -- she knew EXACTLY

 

what she had done, and for the good of the COUNTRY, she should have stepped aside. She could have handpicked a successor and quietly negotiated a deal so she wouldn't be the "First First Lady" facing federal charges.

What kind of EGO puts the country through this?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #142)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:33 PM

159. So what if millions are deported, lives ruined. Meh, I didnt get my way so I am

going to pound my fists and scream.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #159)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:47 PM

175. Again, she's NOT the only Democrat in the country

 

but she is the one who is going to "Nixon" the hell out of our brand.

If you think this doesn't matter, and are totally fine with future Government Officials hiding Government Records from FOIA requests (as one example), good to know. Or having corporatations provide access to CIA and NSA classified information to their pet officials, again, good to know. Those are two examples of things I'm not okay with, regardless of party affiliation, because it's bad for America.

She was using the Server for the same reason Karl Rove hid emails on an RNC server -- because she didn't want evidence of wrong doing being available. It did t work -- the FBI has the records, and now the train wreck is unavoidable....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #175)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:06 PM

188. So President Trump is what you are advocating for, sounds like to me

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #188)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:10 PM

194. You are listening to the sound of your own voice.

 

It seems to be telling you exactly what you want to hear.

I am not qualified to help with that kind of problem. Good luck!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #194)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:11 PM

197. Can we blame you for not voting in November if the fascists take over?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #142)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:25 PM

240. sociopathic, apparently

narcissistic isn't descriptive enough

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #132)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:10 PM

193. If Hillary wins the nomination, you may congratulate yourself for president Trump.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #193)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:10 PM

195. Nonsense, if she is the nominee I will vote for her and encourage others to do the same

Some of you, on the other hand, will be working against her.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #195)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:55 PM

224. Some of you? There is one of me... BTW, Hillary will lose the election to the republicon.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #132)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:22 PM

205. Nope. Bernie beats Trump by double digits. Old meme. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to libdem4life (Reply #205)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:26 PM

207. Ahh, so you will be NOT voting for Hillary if she is the nominee, check

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #207)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:34 PM

211. Give it a rest already. And, if possible, stop reflecting your paranoia on me. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to libdem4life (Reply #211)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:36 PM

214. Paranoia? Is that what you call the fascist agenda of the GOP?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #214)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:46 PM

218. No, the fear of anything Bernie I see as paranoia.

 

Nothing to do with the GOP. They are a waste of time and Trump is not a threat...to Bernie, at least. They are doing just fine chopping themselves up. There is one Democratic candidate who consistently beats Every Republican handily.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #79)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:57 PM

227. Cue for the Victim Card. Reality is inconvenient. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:04 PM

73. It's not a right-wing scandal

This is a serious-as-a-heart-attack crisis brewing in our Democratic Party.

You'd have to be a complete fool to ignore all of this.

Who gives a shit what the Republicans think. This is OUR party. This could implode our party.

If you really think this is a right-wing scandal, I suggest you educate yourself. This could implode our party and upend this election.

The FBI is not a right-wing organization. They've been investigating Clinton's use of her unsecure server for nearly a year. It's highly likely that the FBI will recommend indictment.

Get with the program.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #73)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:06 PM

76. Praying for a trumped up indictment,

that's where Sanders supporters are now. Sad.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #76)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:22 PM

90. Praying? You've got to be kidding me!

You're absurd.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #90)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:31 PM

210. We have power over the FBI, didn't you get the memo/email?

 

We are so powerful that we talk them into using resources and agents chasing a virtual witch hunt. Our "cheering or (fill in the blank) " represents the authority to keep them wasting their time on this non-issue.

Wow, I get that Bernie really IS Superman. He's got his folk, most of us non-religious, dropping to our knees in prayer, as well. Oh, my.

I now get "the fear" that demands he drop out. We've converted to religion and we/he's running the FBI now!!! LOLOLOL

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to libdem4life (Reply #210)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:04 PM

234. I don't recall praying that Pagliano receive immunity

I don't recall praying that Hillary Clinton act like a lawless buffoon during her tenure as Secretary of State, either.

This is not about Sanders or his supporters. As much as it pains her supporters, this is about Hillary Clinton and nothing else.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to libdem4life (Reply #210)

Tue May 3, 2016, 06:59 AM

360. Well said!!!

 

The growth of the "vast right wing conspiracy" now includes half the Democratic Party, thousands of participants on a Democratic message board, law enforcement, the DOJ and Bernie Sanders, with time travel thrown in to boot!

We are indeed mighty!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #360)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:15 PM

363. What a power rush. Bern Power!! n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #76)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:12 PM

199. Or maybe you and other Clinton supporters should ask yourselves why you openly

 

ignore multiple examples of your candidate making statements that range from hypocracy to deceitful lies. These video examples are not made by right wing hacks. They come from so-called reputable sources like Clinton supporting Time-Warner's CNN.

You can ignore them, question them or attack the messenger. You've chosen the latter which makes you look worse for it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to floriduck (Reply #199)

Tue May 3, 2016, 03:39 PM

368. Many in law enforcement are dress-right-dress and follow each other

Mostly they also lean republican (not a surprise, of course). Me thinks they will get a lot closer to November before they let the cat out of the bag. And pretty sure that isn't rocket science either

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #73)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:12 PM

129. Sanders does not think it is a REAL issue. Fox does.

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #129)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 PM

133. I think he's handling it correctly and with class.

 

The emails aren't his business because they fall under the purview of the FBI investigation and the Department of Justice and the leaks that are being reported from them are NOT good for Hillary.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #133)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:30 PM

153. Well he did say it's NOT A REAL ISSUE so yes. I agree with him.

SBS does not think it's a real issue. FOX does.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #153)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:38 PM

165. Plus those silly FBI and DOJ people -- always good to forget about them.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #153)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:21 PM

314. No, you minsterpreted his words.

The complete thought was: "real issues facing the United States of America".

He was in a debate when he said that. He wanted to discuss the "real issues facing the United States of America" as in he wanted to discuss policy differences so people could make an informed decision about a candidate. He wanted to actually have a debate and do what one does in a debate, which is not speculating about ongoing investigations.

He didn't attack her because he thought, mistakenly, that the Democratic Primary was going to be a clean fight. He might not say the same thing today after all the shit Hillary has flung.

.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #129)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:34 PM

161. Poor attempt at spinning Sander's words

Bernie and Jane have both said that there is an ongoing FBI investigation into Clinton and her email sever--and that is why they don't comment.

Everyone knows it's legitimate and serious.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #161)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:47 PM

177. SBS said it wasn't a REAL issue. I guess you disagree with him. It's allowed.

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

let's talk about the real issues

So either he flip-flopped, or the OP is wrong and actually right-wing horseshit. SBS said it is not a REAL issue, FAUX news says it is. Are you with Bernie or FAUX on this?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #177)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:21 PM

203. That's nice dear (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #177)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:46 PM

305. You're misinterpreting his words.

The complete thought was: "real issues facing the United States of America".

He was in a debate when he said that. He wanted to discuss the "real issues facing the United States of America" as in he wanted to discuss policy differences so people could make an informed decision about a candidate. He wanted to actually have a debate and do what one does in a debate, which is not speculating about ongoing investigations.

He didn't attack her because he thought, mistakenly, that the Democratic Primary was going to be a clean fight. He might not say the same thing today after all the shit Hillary has flung.

.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cui bono (Reply #305)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:10 PM

310. Yep. +1000. nt.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cui bono (Reply #305)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:36 PM

392. ^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #73)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:47 PM

174. I've about given up on thinking that these "RW scandal" meme posters actually care about the truth.



Just hoping the FBI referral makes its way to DOJ within the next few weeks.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #174)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:21 PM

273. These people spin so hard you'd think they were trying for national office themselves. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #273)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:35 PM

287. Yeah, WTH? Those who aren't actually being paid seem to be highly persuadable by those who are.

When it comes to actual facts, i.e., DOJ just told the FOIA court that a referral is being prepared re: Hillary's use of the private server, they either didn't read about that or they don't know what it means.

As a former government enforcement staffer, I know first hand the effort that goes into prepping a referral, and it isn't even started unless the decision has already been made that the case warrants DOJ's prosecution.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #73)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:49 PM

293. This is false

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:19 PM

86. This.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:20 PM

88. How do you know the right wing generated the site?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Android3.14 (Reply #88)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:27 PM

149. They didn't. PaulThompson has been a DUer since 2001.

 

His research is detailed, and his book was a "textbook" in Richard Clarke's anti-terrorism class at Harvard University.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:26 PM

148. The fact that you think the FBI is controlled by Trey Gowdy is very quaint.

Wrong, but adorable all the same.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:43 PM

170. Are Obama's DOJ and FBI right wing?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:24 PM

206. Why don't you put the

 

blame where it belongs. RW did not do this, Hillary did.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:55 AM

3. The last gasps of desperation are always the loudest.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RandySF (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:08 AM

14. + 1

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RandySF (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:53 PM

221. Now I'm getting it. The shorter the post, the less to really say.

 

Declarative, superior statements from emotion that bypass the brain before emerging.

Not one word to refute said "lies". Hmmm. Especially the video ones. "Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:57 AM

4. I lol'd at you subject line, was sure it was tongue-in-cheek

Sadly no, more 'uggh' feeling in my gut as I scanned another angry screed.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:57 AM

5. Yup. Great OP, thanks for all that work.

 

I cannot vote for that. There is no bridge to fix.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:58 AM

6. Is this all that Bernie's supporters have left?

 

Desperation is in full display

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tonyt53 (Reply #6)


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:58 AM

7. I'm afraid that no oversight at all will become the norm.

The majority of people who live in democratic societies have rarely noticed when their societies cease to be democratic. Democratic political systems require that the people perform their own oversight on their governments and that's too much effort for a lot of people. It doesn't help that the "fourth estate" (news media) has been almost wholly captured by corporate interests. I've read this timeline and another exhaustive one... you're right, it's big, it's ugly, and it's bad. I'm betting that if the FBI does recommend, theDoJ will not take it further (at the request of Obama), but we'll see. I'm utterly disgusted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bjo59 (Reply #7)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:44 AM

52. Thats almost the case right now

The "checks and balances" provided by the US Constitution only work when they are exercised and that is only happening on a one way basis these days.

The media of course will not provide the oversight that the FF's anticipated because they have become tools for disseminating corporate/government propaganda instead of searchers for truth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:59 AM

9. I've looked into it a lot. There's lot of good facts online. And the more you learn the angrier

 

you get.

I remember someone telling a few stories of what other people faced. Like a sailor who sent a selfie from the submarine to his girlfriend only there was a sonar monitor in the background. He faces 20 years in prison. There were a couple of stories like that.
And Hillary left the emails of the highest security level on her unprotected server, where people's lives were at stake, because she didn't want to be "inconvenienced" with 2 devices. Oh boo-hoo.

LACK OF JUDGEMENT!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #9)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:14 AM

25. Except she was carrying two devices already - she got an Ipad in 2010,

 

That was just another lie. She didn't want her records to be found under FOIA, so she was pulling a "Karl Rove" to hide them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #25)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:39 AM

45. Yes, that was another of her lies. . . I think she actually had 4 devices.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #9)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:24 PM

94. Here is something of interest--peoples' lives have been ruined for less---

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/14/if-your-name-isnt-hillary-the-hammer-for-mishandling-secrets

-snip-

Peter Van Buren can’t wait for the court-ordered release of Hillary Clinton’s work emails from 2011, a nearly ruinous year for him that resulted in a negotiated retirement from the State Department.

The foreign affairs arm of the federal government, then led by Clinton, had accused the longtime foreign service officer of mishandling classified information and unsuccessfully asked the Justice Department to prosecute him.

“I cannot conceive any other person in government being able to do what she did without being punished,” he says. “Lots of people have lost their clearances, lost their jobs and in some cases lost their freedom and gone to jail” for allegedly being careless in protecting classified documents.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #9)

Mon May 2, 2016, 09:51 PM

331. No not convenience, she thinks she is answerable to no one. She will do ANYTHING to win.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:01 AM

10. Thank you for bringing this nutjob's work to DU

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to leftofcool (Reply #10)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:22 AM

33. He's been a member since 2001 so saying "you're welcome"

 

is kind of redundant. He's also a published author, and his book "The Terror Timeline" was used as a source by Richard Clarke when he taught at Harvard. But please don't let facts interfere with your fantasy that "this is no big deal".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #33)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:41 AM

47. They just seem to make stuff up and ignore any fact they don't agree with, just lik tea baggers

 

-- "if it isn't on FOX then it can't be true". They just won't hear it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #47)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:39 PM

216. But you know what? It's a good damn thing that they're here all day every day

posting their low info voter shit. Here they have absolutely no chance of changing anyone's mind. Out on the streets of the real world.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #33)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 PM

134. Sanders has said it's not a real issue.

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #134)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:18 PM

312. You're misinterpreting his words.

The complete thought was: "real issues facing the United States of America".

He was in a debate when he said that. He wanted to discuss the "real issues facing the United States of America" as in he wanted to discuss policy differences so people could make an informed decision about a candidate. He wanted to actually have a debate and do what one does in a debate, which is not speculating about ongoing investigations.

He didn't attack her because he thought, mistakenly, that the Democratic Primary was going to be a clean fight. He might not say the same thing today after all the shit Hillary has flung.

.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #134)

Mon May 2, 2016, 09:45 PM

329. One shady person's investigation is insignificant to the real problems facing the country

Be she as innocent as a lamb or in full on Nixon mode just doesn't rate when we are talking about

The environment.

The blue gang running wild on killing sprees.

The flushing of the Bill of Rights.

Ownership of our own bodies.

Tax cuts, and corporate communism drowning the needs of the people.

Sovereignty, job, and wage killing "free trade" deals.

Corporate capture of our government.

A ruinous stupid and failed drug war eating away at the fabric of our society.

Crumbling and out of date infrastructure.

A gilded age wealth gap.

That's just to name a few things that are more important than Hillary Clinton's damn emails either way.

To say such does not absolve her or proclaim guilt, it takes no position other than we have far bigger fish to fry

I'm familiar with the idea of a Heliocentric universe but folks with a Hilliarycentric one need to do some serious thinking.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #33)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:37 PM

249. ***********People need to see this**********

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to leftofcool (Reply #10)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:33 PM

244. anyone got the jury results on this?

It has been alerted more than once.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #244)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:47 PM

255. I was sent a copy by one of the jurors; it survived 3-4 LEAVE IT.

 

On Mon May 2, 2016, 10:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

She's SUCH A LIAR. And she thinks people are STUPID.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511880685

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

We can support different candidates, but outright smears against Democrats should not stand.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 2, 2016, 11:08 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you think it is merely an "outright smear," argue the facts in a reply.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Am I on DU or Free Republic? It is hard to tell sometimes.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's GD : P, folks. Dirtiest and most embarrassing playground on DU. Pull up your pants and come out swinging. DING!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:04 AM

11. Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:08 AM

15. Trump ties with Pope Francis in U.S. poll for second most-admired man in the world

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Human101948 (Reply #15)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:57 AM

64. Lol.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Human101948 (Reply #15)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:33 PM

99. Just goes to show what a lame distinction it truly is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Human101948 (Reply #15)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:12 PM

198. 13%

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Human101948 (Reply #15)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:01 PM

334. Gah! Dumbass Dubya is top 10. Carly The Outsourcer is high on the women's side too.

It think it is almost but not quite a most famous list more than actual admiration though I'm sure that also is part of the puzzle.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:08 AM

16. Only because the public has been hood winked.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #16)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:17 AM

28. seems legit !

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #16)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:30 AM

40. +1000

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:23 PM

93. Since when does popularity mean you are honest?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:25 PM

95. SQUIRREL!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #11)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:15 AM

348. Lol, you got owned! Nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:06 AM

12. This post is even more Right Wing Propaganda...

 

Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)

Oh, wait, Hillary is to the right on many issue.

OK, so it's Left Wing Propaganda...

NO, she needs people on the left to vote for her...

So it's just to the right of left somewhere near the center propaganda....

Make a left on Main Street and a right at the Diner...

Ohhhhh....

Never Mind.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #12)


Response to JudyM (Reply #41)


Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #54)


Response to JudyM (Reply #66)


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:07 AM

13. I heard a great explanation today.

That she put in her home a private server as SOS because she did not want the details of her job as SOS to get out in the public because she knew she was going to run for President. It was already ordained when Obama took office. She did not want to have to have the public get a hold of her workings in the Dept when the vetting happened this election year. Absolutely an excellent explanation and most probably true.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:36 AM

42. Agreed, and wondering if there is another believable explantation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:40 AM

46. That's what I believe is part of it, too.

I also think that private server probably enabled Bill to help her out with making decisions - he knew all of the details on these countries and leaders already and was right there. jmho.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polly7 (Reply #46)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:48 AM

55. Yes that too because frankly she did not know what she was doing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polly7 (Reply #46)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:21 PM

89. Makes a lot of sense ...

Any idea if there is evidence of his advising her on things? I haven't seen anything about that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #89)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:45 PM

107. I'm just speculating ..... based on the decades of them working together in their

Foundation, while in the WH, campaigning, etc. Just, for example, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1610499

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1137195

Players he'd been associated with previously and part of events during her term.


And wrt their shared Foundation - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016149370

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511180584#post2

Just a few things that make me think there's no way in hell he wasn't, though.





Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to polly7 (Reply #107)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:53 PM

118. Right, just wondering if that was a large part of the rationale for her exclusive use the private

server... I would feel better about her if it was.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to polly7 (Reply #46)

Tue May 3, 2016, 04:06 AM

359. What if he did more than help on occasion like a lot of occasions?

Things like scheduling meetings and who to meet with. Things like writing emails. Something like hiring Sid. I think that could explain something about Hillary being confused at times.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:42 PM

104. Sad that it is likely true and it accomplished exactly the opposite of what was intended

At this point, other than the small number of classified documents, we have seen all the emails she returned. Had she JUST ARCHIVED the email monthly at the State Department, no one would ever have known she had her own server.

None of the emails that would have been released - as they should have been - under FOIA or Congressional inquiries were significantly damaging. There was not anything intrinsically problematic. The problem was that SHE HID THEM FOR TWO YEARS AND ONLY RETURNED THEM when the SD demanded them.

This entire mess was the result of arrogance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:22 PM

140. Yep. I heard it too - on Free Republic. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #140)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:34 PM

246. that explains a lot about you. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #246)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:55 PM

259. Very intelligent reply.

How many hours did you need to think that up?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:11 PM

265. Just wait until she privatizes the entire executive branch.

 

It will make W's administration seem wholly transparent by comparison.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:11 AM

17. Yipee

 

More right wing bullshit being pushed by supposed liberals. What a sewer this forum has become. The desperation from the the losing candidate's supporters smells positively rancid.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:11 AM

21. Not everything critical of the Clintons is a Right Wing Hit Job..

The arms deals approvals while Hillary was Sec'y of State and the donations to the Clinton foundation were not mere coincidences.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tokenlib (Reply #21)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:38 AM

43. The blindness of some of her supporters here is deafening. Facts have no place among the

Indoctrinated. Pretty sad to witness this on this board.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tokenlib (Reply #21)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:19 PM

136. Sanders does not think it is a REAL issue. Fox does.

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk


So yeah. It IS right-wing nuttery.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #136)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:56 PM

260. He also said that there is some real trouble there but he doesn't want to talk about the ongoing

 

investigation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #136)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:19 PM

313. You're misinterpreting his words.

The complete thought was: "real issues facing the United States of America".

He was in a debate when he said that. He wanted to discuss the "real issues facing the United States of America" as in he wanted to discuss policy differences so people could make an informed decision about a candidate. He wanted to actually have a debate and do what one does in a debate, which is not speculating about ongoing investigations.

He didn't attack her because he thought, mistakenly, that the Democratic Primary was going to be a clean fight. He might not say the same thing today after all the shit Hillary has flung.

.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tokenlib (Reply #21)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:24 PM

146. Don't like to burst your baloon, but actually, they were. Congress, not the SOS

approves arms sales and that process takes many years. The Saudi arms deal was approved by Congress long before Clinton ever became SOS. So yes, it is a coincidence. Coincidence does not equal causation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tokenlib (Reply #21)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:05 AM

353. The donations and the arms deals had nothing to do with each other

For one thing, the Saudi donations were made before it was known Hillary would be secretary of state. While she was there, the Saudis made no donations at all. So no quid pro quo was possible.

The arms deal was a major foreign policy initiative that had the support of the White House and Pentagon from the beginning. Its inconceivable that Hillary would have not OKed it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #353)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:24 PM

389. How much time passed

between when the donations were made and she became Secretary of State?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truedelphi (Reply #389)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:52 PM

395. We don't know the exact dates

The donations came between 2001 and 2008. There was only a short time between when Hillary was asked to be secretary and when there was an agreement to stop accepting the donations. After Hillary left, the donations started again. All the policies that Clinton enemies have tried to claim came from graft have been continued under Secretary Kerry.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:12 AM

23. About to bust a gasket!!! nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:16 AM

26. Thanks for the amazing work! How can anyone defend the blatant wrongdoings?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to amborin (Reply #26)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:44 AM

51. What blows my mind is that they never try to defend her wrongdoing. Just like the

 

hard right wingers, they just attack the messenger somehow and that make it all OK for them.
Loco!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #51)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:20 PM

87. At this point, the Hillary supporters

make fools of themselves, attacking anyone who dares to discuss the facts of this FBI investigation against their Hillary.

They attack us.

They are not serious people.

What will they say when this becomes a crisis for our party, for this election and for our entire nation?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #87)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:31 PM

243. The "attack the messenger" syndrome is strong, but they can never refute.

 

I've been debating counting the "attack messenger" posts, but after a DUer shared this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107122402 I don't even want to bother.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #243)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:00 PM

262. They want to make this a Democratic bubble just like the Fox News bubble for the right.

 

They want to try to shut out and discredit anything they don't agree with.
We only want to bring this to their attention because they need to think about it NOW rather then when the sh*t hits the fan.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #243)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:03 PM

317. First alert stalking, now alert stalk SPAMMING tips? how low and obvious can one go? nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dragonfli (Reply #317)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:20 PM

337. All coordinated in the Hillary group yet.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:17 AM

27. Bernie supporters are increasingly Republican

 

What a turnoff. To think that I actually gave Bernie my vote. Not only are his supporters too homogeneous in terms of age, race, and gender, they buy into the vast right wing conspiracy by reading interpretations of facts that play into the goals of the right wing. The sad thing is that if Bernie gets the nomination, unlikely as that is, the right wing will do the same thing to him -- election funding scandals, land scandals, tax scandals, Castro scandals, Sandinisata scandals, and so on, and these same narrow-minded Bernie supporters who so easily fall for anything anti-Hillary, will be dumbfounded. But, their arrogance will prevent them from learning a lesson.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Onlooker (Reply #27)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:39 AM

44. Is it possible that it's truth that's being exposed?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Onlooker (Reply #27)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:32 PM

155. Unlike your Kissinger-loving Goldwater Girl? n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Onlooker (Reply #27)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:47 PM

176. So speaking out against perceived corruption in your own party is a Republican trait?

I don't think so.

As a Bernie supporter, I hope Hillary is cleared by a honest investigation. As an American and Democrat, I think the matter should be investigated thoroughly in an honest fashion for the sake of our country and party. If she is guilty she needs to go. Again, for the the sake of our party and country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Akicita (Reply #176)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:56 PM

226. Perceiving it as corruption is the Republican trait

 

No, Hillary's email scandal does not involve corruption. It involved her legally using private email, and Republicans and their puppets using that fact to create an excuse to start a witch hunt by perusing through every one of her emails, hoping she made a mistake. Frankly, I'm sure they could do that with any lawmakers emails. Maybe they should look through all of Bernie's public and private emails and see if he made a mistake? Perhaps we would get insight into why he did such a bad job providing oversight to the VA hospital system.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Onlooker (Reply #226)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:02 PM

232. Obama's Justice Dept. is conducting an investigation, not a witch hunt.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Onlooker (Reply #27)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:19 PM

269. Your first point alone is incorrect.

Too homogeneous in terms of age?Time after time DUers over 50, including myself, have posted in droves saying they support Bernie.

And RW conspiracy?! Facts are facts. The reporters exposing this are lefties.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

29. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, IdaBriggs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:18 AM

30. It is one thing to have a career of evil, another to document it play by play

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:19 AM

31. To a couple of your points...

re:
"SHE LIED UNDER OATH <== Did she learn NOTHING from the impeachment of her husband about how seriously that is viewed? "


Maybe she learned you could get away with it.

re:
SHE MIGHT BE AN IDIOT <== On what planet would someone think communication between the United States Secretary of State and the Four Star General Commander of United States Central Command wasn't classified?

Can we assume they were too busy to be trading Lolcats?


This one I could cut some slack on. Too busy for Lolcats, okay, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be other non classified communication between the two of them. Even high level professional people will talk about things like how the food was at some restaurant, whether they will be attending an event, congratulations on something, whatever...

But yeah, there's a lot of eyebrow-raising info gathered together at that site.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:21 AM

32. This isn't going to end well for Hillary

 

I'm sure one of her staffers will try to fall on a sword for her but doubt it will do any good

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:22 AM

34. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

and posts like this prove that there's not a dimes worth of difference between them.

Sid

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Reply #34)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:02 PM

71. "not a dime's worth of difference between them" ...

 

That "fringe" as you so condescendingly call a large portion of the party has progressive, traditional FDR Democratic goals like improving the well being of the poor and middle class, and maybe preventing the planet from completely melting down. The other side doesn't thinks Hillary should be even more warlike, hawkish, rightwing, Neocon, and corporatist. Other than that, though, yeah, they're pretty much exactly the same.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #71)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:20 PM

137. Traditional FDR Democratic goals?

 

Like keeping segregation in place and locking up Japanese-Americans in internment camps?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #71)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:37 PM

248. Canadians don't care about FDR. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:23 AM

35. You know who are terrible criminals? Bush and Cheney.

But nobody gives a fuck. They lied, people died. But we've got our panties in a wad over emails that may or may not have been classified at that time that may or may not have been compromised but no evidence at all suggests compromise happened.

Is it bad judgement on Hillary's part? Yes. Is it bad that she didn't follow rules and procedures? Yes. Its it true that those rules and procedures are an impediment to doing her job? Yes. Does that excuse her continued use of a private email sever to conduct State busness? No.

But does any of that compare to the fucking Iraq War and the rise of ISIS? No. So check your rage and incredulity and keep it at an appropriate level. This whole post makes it out like Hillary Clinton was skinning babies or something.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:43 AM

49. "No evidence suggests --" WRONG. Which is one of the MANY

 

reasons this is beyond upsetting.

His name is "Guccifer" and he started posting screen shots of the emails between Sidney Blumenthal and Hillary Clinton online a few years ago.

Here is a story about him, with links you can follow to see them -- http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/03/19/guccifer-hacker-hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-george-hw-bush/2001429/

You can also view his Wikipedia page. He has been extradited here to the United States and it has been leaked that he is going to be a witness because he read them.

Let me repeat that: Blumenthal was getting information from CIA and NSA sources he shouldn't have been able to get, sending it to someone who should have reported the security leaks, and a hacker was not only reading those communications, but also posting them on the Internet.



ON EDIT: And yes, I care about Bush/Cheney, who SHE SUPPORTED. I actually wonder if they were part of the deal Obama had to make...paranoia, maybe?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #49)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:51 AM

58. This is did not know.

I will look at it and consider it. Thank you for telling me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #58)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:18 PM

135. My apologies if I was snapping at you.

 

Keeping track of this mess is like plotting out a Tom Clancy novel!

Sigh. Two months ago, I was saying "60 thousand emails - sounds like she worked hard!" Now I am waiting for the hammer to fall and praying it happens sooner rather than later.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #135)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:25 PM

147. LOL! Its all good.

We're fine.

Its a mess, yes. And I desire to get to the bottom of it and correct mistakes and prevent them from happening again in the future.

But we know that, no matter what, she won't see jail time because of a lot of things. She is establishment, yes. She has privilege, yes. The situation is murky, therefore ripe for lawyers and wrangling, yes.

Bernie is probably toast, that's the truth of it. Indictment or no, the window is closing and closing fast. Hillary has a 99% chance of locking up the nomination. She will be the only thing preventing a Trump Presidency.

And though I'm loath to say it, I'd hate to have President Trump because Hillary goes to jail. So I'm kinda OK with her not going to jail if it prevents Trump being President.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #49)

Wed May 4, 2016, 08:18 AM

375. ...!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:44 AM

50. We totally, absolutely care about Bush/Cheney. We are still waiting for investigation and

prosecution on that front. Problem is, this will get nowhere if Hillary wins the election because she's allied with shrub. There is actually a chance that under a sanders administration this would be pursued.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #50)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:50 AM

56. Exactly, this is why we need a TRUE Democrat with real integrity, not just another DNC Democrat

 

Obama didn't go after war criminals or Wall Street criminals, but he did prosecute more people under the espoinage act than all other presidents combined and those people were journalists and whistle blowers. You know, people . . as opposed to the rich and powerful he protected

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #50)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:50 AM

57. Has Bernie stated he will prosecute W and Dick for war crimes?

Because if he doesn't, I'm sorry, he's no different than Hillary or Obama on this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:54 AM

60. I hate to have to tell you this but Bush and Cheney aren't running again. And the

democrats decided that what they did was just fucking fine and dandy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #60)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:56 AM

63. I know, it pisses me off. (nt)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #60)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:08 PM

78. Autumn, "the democrats" as you call us don't think what Bush & Cheney did was "fine and dandy."

I know you don't really believe what you just said. You lose credibility when you say over the top stuff like that. This whole thread reflects badly on Sanders supporters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SunSeeker (Reply #78)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:19 PM

85. Bullshit. Nancy impeachments off the table Pelosi and Barack we tortured some folks Obama

brushed that shit off like shooing flies off honey. If anything reflects badly about this whole sordid mess it's on the democrats. Credibility? Don't fucking preach about credibility and say the truth is over the top and ignore that the democrats legitimized what Bush and Cheney did.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #85)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:02 PM

185. Pelosi foregoing impeachment is very different from thinking Bush/Chaney were "fine and dandy."

You're angry. I get it. That is no reason to bash "the democrats."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #85)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:03 PM

263. Totally agree with you here.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SunSeeker (Reply #78)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:43 PM

105. Then why use poor decisions made by Bush and Cheney to excuse Hillary's poor judgment?

You see it here every damn day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #105)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:06 PM

189. Hillary had the same poor judgement on the same topic as Bush-Cheney. The Iraq War.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #105)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:28 PM

242. Constantly. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:41 PM

102. "But nobody gives a fuck."

Correction: Congressional Democrats and our Democratic President don't give a fuck. Take your complaints to Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi and Barack "Forward" Obama.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:43 PM

253. Oh, an argument in the grand Clinton tradition...

Reminds me of this one...
In a statement reminiscent of her claim that she took money from Wall Street because of the 9/11 attacks, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told a crowd, “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism?”


BTW, Hillary had something to do with the fucking Iraq War and the rise of ISIS.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:18 PM

268. DU was unanimously against BushCo's use of private @rnc.com email addresses for official business.

 

And Clinton was in full support of the invasion of Iraq, and even later praised it as a "business opportunity."

Birds of a feather.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to arcane1 (Reply #268)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:36 PM

338. Remember when we supported government transparency and accountability to the public?

Now "we" want the government sifting through ours in dragnet fashion and for officials to decide what of theirs acting in official capacity they want to dole out.

Just like campaign finance reform where now our "allies" are using fucking verbatim the right wing argument for pouring money into politics essentially show me the video of the bag of money and the Pol then holding the paid for by the Koch Brother sign while making a vote with clear and direct benefit.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to apnu (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:20 PM

335. We aren't the ones foolishly looking forward, that took impeachment off the table, or

stupidly voted to support said dumbass war.

My recollection was protesting it and arguing vehemently against it while being called every nasty kind of treasonous shit by idiots some of which I have no doubt are trying to act like they know jack shit and are "pragmatic progressives" now. Particularly these new school white washers.

If one is even slightly attempting to polish this turd with the benefit of hindsight, I guaran gawddamn tee that said peckerwood motherfucker was Gung Ho in real time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:26 AM

36. these allegations and pretensions will become more trendy and fashionable as July 25th looms closer.

No doubt, these allegations and pretensions will become more trendy and fashionable as July 25th looms closer. Fashion serves a purpose though... like parachute pants and members only jackets, they will allow us great bemusement after the fact.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LanternWaste (Reply #36)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:52 AM

59. Spoken by someone who clearly doesn't have a clue about the issue, and has obviously

 

not done any actual research into it. Just another shallow opinion. How clever.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #59)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:55 AM

62. Pretty much like yours

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #59)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:03 PM

125. These flippant talking points are becoming

more silly and bizarre, as people learn about what Hillary did.

At some point, the Hillary supporters are going to have to put on their big-girl pants and do some research.

Until they learn the basic facts, they'll continue with their "This is such a right-wing attack!" garbage.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #59)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:22 PM

141. You should ask Bernie if it's a real issue. WAIT - here he is on that very subject!

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #141)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:09 PM

264. AS you keep posting this OLD nonsense, he has since made a bit different statenemts about it

 

I urge him to bring it up. It is an important issue for the Democratic party to think about in choosing their nominee. She would be "historic" in two ways, the first woman and the first person under CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI. Woo-hoo. What an honor!

Oh, and FYI, BTW, etc. we Bernie supporters have minds of our own. Just because Bernie may say something, it isn't our catechism. I have urged them to bring it up more. That's called not being a sheep.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:26 AM

37. SMH

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:29 AM

39. K&R

IdaBriggs, I always enjoy your posts and look forward to reading your informative POV.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:42 AM

48. A shame this skated by a jury 3-4

But it's only a matter of time...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #48)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:55 AM

61. Posting investigative facts is a problem for you?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #61)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:57 AM

65. "Investigate facts" more suited for the Free Republic or Newsmax, sure


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #65)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:53 PM

117. What part of the timeline is in dispute?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #65)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:29 PM

152. Because nothing negative about her could be factually accurate.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #152)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:31 PM

154. Nothing about the puffed-up Emailgate is, no

Keep trying to look for an 11th-hour miracle to propel your man to the nomination. We have lots of popcorn.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #154)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:36 PM

162. You may find yourself gagging on that popcorn when the "referral" that DOJ announced is forthcoming

makes its way to them from the FBI.

FBI wouldn't be wasting resources if there was nothing there. And DOJ said the referral (which means a case prepared for prosecution, BTW) concerns Clinton's use of her email server, not someone else's use of it on her staff. You may have missed that news late last week?

I hope for all of our sakes that it's before the convention so we can understand the lay of the land.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #162)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:39 PM

166. The lengths Camp sanders will go to hijack an election are truly extraordinary

Keep trying, tho.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #166)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:42 PM

169. FBI and DOJ aren't camp sanders... Back to class for you...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #169)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:44 PM

171. They are just doing their due diligence

It's little fanboy Sandernistas that push the story for political gain. Hell, there isn't even much chatter about Emailgate in GOP circles anymore.

Chomp, chomp!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #171)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:51 PM

180. If it was "just due diligence", DOJ wouldn't have told the FOIA court that there was a *referral*

Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)

forthcoming from FBI about her use of the server... You are clearly not reading or not understanding how the indictment process works. A referral is a lot of work and is not done unless there are grounds to prosecute. Head in the sand or glasses not on, one of the two. But enough here. You will see sooner rather than later, hopefully.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #180)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:00 PM

183. Such a little tryhard, it is endearing.

But, seeing how the math no longer works out for The Bern, I guess this is your only avenue left.

Chomp, chomp, chomp! (upto 3 now!)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #183)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:05 PM

187. I think I'm going to enjoy watching your breakdown most of all.

This much denial is going to make accepting that indictment very difficult to absorb.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #187)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:09 PM

192. That's a cool story, bro

Looks like Camp Sanders is finally coming to terms with the failures of #berniemath, so this appears to be the last card in the deck; Emailgate.

Good luck with that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #192)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:11 PM

196. Yep. Going to really enjoy that breakdown.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #187)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:42 PM

251. yes, it will be a good day when the professionals are faced with the truth in print.

I'm actually looking forward to the next several months. Many trolls will disappear here. The most antagonistic and vitriolic of them will have to start kicking their dogs again and pulling the wings off flies to get the jollies they are getting now by turning Democrats against each other.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #65)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:32 PM

158. Facts are facts. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #61)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:24 PM

144. Bernie says it's not a real issue but FOX sure is on it, so yes. It's right-wing bullshit.

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #144)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:32 PM

157. Bernie wanted to focus on the main campaign issues at that time. He never said the investigation

was unimportant, but rather that the FBI was proceeding and to let that continue. You may have misunderstood him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #157)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:45 PM

172. You may have misread the actual transcript because he said

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

let's talk about the real issues

Not "let's talk about the 'other' issues"

Not "let's talk about the 'main' issues"

So either he flip-flopped, or the OP is wrong and actually right-wing horseshit. SBS said it is not a REAL issue, FAUX news says it is. Are you with Bernie or FAUX on this?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #172)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:07 PM

190. A lot of information has come to light since that first debate.

That was before Hillary's IT guy was granted immunity.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JudyM (Reply #157)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:18 PM

200. Thank you.

This issues is in the FBI's hands between them and HRC and not something Bernie can do anything about so to him it is not a campaign issue like, healthcare, environment, income inequality, foreign policy etc.

He was certainly not saying the issue was unimportant.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to deathrind (Reply #200)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:23 PM

275. Exactly. Quite a few folks here understood his statement to be a far broader dismissal than it was.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #144)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:29 PM

209. As a Bernie supporter I'd have to say Bernie was wrong to say this is not a real issue.

This is not a RW or LW investigation. It is a FBI investigation. They report to Obama's Justice Department. President Obama has promised not to interfere. The FBI appear to be taking this investigation very seriously. Who knows if they will recommend an indictment or not but it is certainly a possibility. There's a lot of smoke for there to be no fire. For sure it is a real issue at least until we see the results of the investigation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #48)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:55 PM

120. A shame you can't deal with information.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #120)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:28 PM

150. This Free Republic-style info, bro

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #150)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:50 PM

179. No, this is Paul Thompson, long-time DUer and respected author.

Again, it's unfortunate that you can't deal with uncomfortable truths. But perhaps you'd like to take a crack at debunking Mr Thompson's timeline?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #179)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:59 PM

182. Hoping for an 11th-hour miracle

Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Doesn't matter if he's been here for 10 minutes or 10 years.

Good luck with that, tho.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #182)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:01 PM

184. I'm shocked to find no debunking, and more ad-hom attacks.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #182)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:44 PM

254. you sound jealous of Paul.

He's actually getting something done for America.

You, OTOH...............

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #254)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:49 PM

256. Lol, he's getting you all to clap really really hard for the Indictment Fairy, is all



Just like that!


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #256)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:51 PM

258. and you can't even get a "hell yes" here.

Jealous.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #182)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:30 PM

390. You think he spent an hour or two writing this up a week ago?

It was a mostly finished piece of work several months ago.

And he had to have devoted a lot of time to it.

So don't see how it has to do with any last minute miracle.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to truedelphi (Reply #390)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:47 PM

394. Why/how are you dredging up month-old threads?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Tarc (Reply #48)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:28 PM

208. Truth bothers you?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:47 AM

53. Do you tire of being wrong?

Thank you for the laughs. I do not have to go to the Free Republic to find the latest CT

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:01 PM

67. A master template for over the top anti hillary screeds

well done.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #67)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:12 PM

81. It's pretty well laid out. She did something that others were indicted for. You don't mess with

secret stuff on a non secret server!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #81)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:22 PM

91. just another unjustified rw witchhunt in the illustory Clinton legacy

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #91)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:23 PM

92. Not!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #91)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:47 PM

219. This hunt is not RW. It is Obama's FBI and Obama's Dept. of Justice. Obama is not RW.

And I don't think it is a witch hunt. I don't believe Obama's Justice Dept. would conduct a witch hunt against a Democratic candidate for president and his former SOS. Do you?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Akicita (Reply #219)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:53 PM

220. Sure it is. It is a direct result of the House Select Committee on Benghazi nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #220)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:59 PM

229. They may have uncovered that Hillary was using a secret private server for her SOS emails but

Obama's Justice Dept. is conducting an investigation, not a witch hunt.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Akicita (Reply #229)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:03 PM

233. The Benghazi Committee spread lies and twisted the facts to gin up the hate. Most of what people

think they know is some variation or version of those lies. But you can continue to hope the wingers succeed in stopping her campaign all you want. Its just not going to happen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #233)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:08 PM

235. The FBI doesn't care about Benghazi Committee lies or twisted facts or ginning up hate. They are

doing their own investigation(not witch hunt). If she is found innocent of wrongdoing then she is good to go. If not then she's gotta go.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Akicita (Reply #235)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:17 PM

236. Its benign. Just like Obama has indicated. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #236)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:40 PM

289. I hope so. We'll see.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Akicita (Reply #219)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:30 PM

281. The hunt is not RW. But Fox News spin is.

Some seem to confuse Fox News "opinion" with the FBI.

Nobody but the FBI knows what's coming, and they don't seem to be leaking anything.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to emulatorloo (Reply #281)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:43 PM

290. Good point. We'll have to wait and see. People on here saying the FBI is conducting a witch hunt are

wrong though. It's a serious investigation. Who knows what will come of it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BootinUp (Reply #67)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:15 PM

266. Keep laughing . . . until you actually know something. Well smugged.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:05 PM

75. I LOVE USING CAPS TOO

IT PROVES THAT I REALLY MEAN EVERY STUPID THING I TYPE...WELL DONE!!!111!!111!1!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sharp_stick (Reply #75)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:49 PM

113. That's nice, dear. Here are some crayons

and a piece of paper. Make a nice drawing until recess, OK?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #113)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:58 PM

123. I don't see any crayons...

I'll look over here behind the free college and stuff.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sharp_stick (Reply #123)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:17 PM

267. You're one of the attitudes with empty facts that just scream "ignore me"

 

Buh bye

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #267)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:20 PM

272. OH NO!

How shall I ever survive? Some berniebro I've never heard of is going to put me on ignore. So long berniebro, I'll miss you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:14 PM

83. I know a LIAR and an IDIOT when I see one.

Ever hear the term "Useful Idiot?"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:18 PM

84. Hillary and her emails.

I have met Paul Thompson on several occasions throughout the last decade. He is 100% Progressive. Paul is dedicated to learning the Truth and is one of the last investigative researchers. He obtains all of his information from main stream media. He is brilliant, dedicated, and is to be taken seriously. Scholars continue to use his works in Academia.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mesee (Reply #84)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:41 PM

101. LMAO

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to leftofcool (Reply #101)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:54 PM

119. The fuck are you laughing at?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to leftofcool (Reply #101)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:52 PM

307. you are embarrassing yourself...

....and your mother as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to leftofcool (Reply #101)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:41 PM

340. Bookmarked to see if you are laughing later! LOL. nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to leftofcool (Reply #101)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

349. You seem to take an ass kicking a lot. Nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mesee (Reply #84)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:07 PM

191. Hillary and her emails.

Thank you for your wonderful post.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mesee (Reply #191)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:19 PM

270. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mesee (Reply #84)

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:33 PM

391. He strikes me as being exactly as what you said. Thank you1 n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:26 PM

96. DU is going to be getting your $5.00

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:32 PM

97. thanks Ida. Her "bad judgment" is epic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:42 PM

103. You title certainly surprises me. I didn't think you were so over the top.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:45 PM

106. get a grip. For the love of God.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:45 PM

108. Goodness.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:48 PM

111. Orange. Pant. Suit.

Make it happen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #111)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:19 PM

271. Thanks for the image.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:48 PM

112. Sanders is bs'ing his supporters and duping them out of their money...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to beachbumbob (Reply #112)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:52 PM

116. Thanks for the reminder, beachbumbob.

Time for another donation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to beachbumbob (Reply #112)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:05 PM

127. Another timely PSA from the DU Donation PD.

Thank you.

Not.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:49 PM

114. For heaven's sake, methinks some of her supporters don't understand (or care) what's true.

For instance:

If those supporters insist that Hillary had an opportunity to vote for one and one only trade bill while in the Senate and she voted against it (CAFTA); and if someone brought to their attention Hillary's own statement in the Congressional Record wherein she says she voted for EVERY trade agreement while in the Senate but opposed CAFTA; should those Hillary supporters appreciate knowing the facts? Nope. Not having any of it.

They are adamant that Bernie Sanders lied about Hillary's voting record re: trade agreements . . . because, they say, she had only one opportunity to vote on a trade bill and that was CAFTA. I guess that means either that Hillary was telling a big fib in the Congressional Record or that some of her supporters wouldn't know the truth or a fact if it bit 'em on th' backside.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107122063




As you might have guessed by now, I have been ejected from the Hillary Hidyhole hereabouts.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:51 PM

115. Oh my

I think I wandered onto The Free Republic site by mistake. The GOP thanks you for doing their work for them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PatSeg (Reply #115)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:03 PM

126. Thank Goodness ....

Hillary Clinton is on a pathway to wrapping up the nomination.

June can't come soon enough for this Hillary Clinton supporter

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #126)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:14 PM

131. I am a Democrat

and though I have issues with both of the candidates, I am not going to tear either of them down and end up voting begrudgingly in November. I am trying to keep my focus on getting as many Democrats in office as possible. Going after Hillary or Bernie is such a waste of time and energy.

The ugliness of this election season has kept me away from DU a lot this year. Don't we have enough republicans to attack? We have to eat our own? Yes, I think I'd like to go into a coma until it is all over.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PatSeg (Reply #131)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:21 PM

274. Then tell me Mr. Democrat,

 






What is it that you are supporting? What!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #274)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:30 PM

282. I am supporting a Democrat in the White House

AND as many Democrats in the House and Senate as possible AND Democrats in state and local offices.

I think Democrats had a poor choice of candidates this time around and not nearly enough. I am not a huge fan of Hillary and though I love Bernie, I am not sure he is a strong enough candidate for a general. What I am sure of however, is Hillary very likely could be our nominee and I don't think we should be doing the republicans' work for them. I can't remember such an ugly election season.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PatSeg (Reply #282)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:32 PM

284. And of course, just like ALL of the Hillary supporter, you have no reason for supporting her

 

other than "I'm supporting her." Excuse me for thinking it should be a bit deeper than that. I take it seriously.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #284)

Mon May 2, 2016, 09:17 PM

324. Excuse me,

I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I think I made it quite clear that I will support whoever is the Democratic nominee. Meanwhile, I think the focus should be on the House, the Senate, and other down-ballot races, as whoever is in the White House cannot accomplish much without Democratic support.

I don't appreciate being pigeonholed by someone who only knows me by a post on the Internet. I take politics very seriously, but I am not going to get down in the mud like so many people I see lately.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:57 PM

121. The level of denial from Hillary Supporter has reached epic proportions.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to frylock (Reply #121)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:34 PM

212. +100

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:58 PM

122. Hillary people/DNC are handing the election to Trump

 


This will all go viral just as soon as the convention ends

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:00 PM

124. Ah. Classic displacement

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:21 PM

138. Bookmarking for later reading...

Thanks, Ida!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:21 PM

139. If you had written 55,000 emails, do you think you might have forgotten ten

that weren't even classified at the time?

That guy has been peddling a book here. And you bought it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pnwmom (Reply #139)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:02 PM

186. It's hard work.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pnwmom (Reply #139)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:56 PM

308. that's what you said about Edward Snowden and his truth. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to grasswire (Reply #308)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:01 PM

309. Link, please. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:24 PM

145. some people are stupid. conspiracy theorists and the like are particularly dumb.

 

people who believe right wing lies are dumb.

people who can't do math are pretty dumb.

some people are just not as bright as they think they are (#dunningkruger)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #145)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:29 PM

151. I guess SBS himself is under the bus on this one, given that he said it's not a real issue

Bernie Sanders hit the media hard on the faux Hillary Clinton email scandal, and he didn't hold back.

“Let me say something that may not be great politics, but the secretary is right -- and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails," Sanders thundered. "Enough of the emails, let's talk about the real issues facing the United States of America."

Huge applause, a partial standing ovation, and a handshake between the two.



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/sanders-enough-about-emails-lets-talk

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #151)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:32 PM

156. That's probably because he's not dumb

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #145)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:24 PM

276. I know

 

The Obama administration, the justice Department, the FBI, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, the NYT. . . EVERYONE is in on the conspiracy but Hillary. Sound implausible? That's because it IS!! DUH!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:33 PM

160. Now your second point I might consider . . .

Just kidding. It's going to be okay.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ucrdem (Reply #160)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:25 PM

277. Always the same . . . .

 


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:38 PM

163. Anyone have a tip on how to clean spittle from the INSIDE of my display screen?

I can barely read posts any longer. Or do I need to just buy a new monitor?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MineralMan (Reply #163)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:36 PM

213. Borrow a cloth from Hillary.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MineralMan (Reply #163)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:36 PM

215. .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:38 PM

164. What Clinton did was part of her job, whether anyone like the emails or not.

The most treasonist people we have had in our government recently are Republicans. But they tend to get away with those acts. The media never discuss or publishes them. And in Fact, Americans are used to the Republican being dishonest and lying to us. It part of their culture. G. Bush and D. Cheney is a prime example of treason while in office. outright lying to world leaders and Congress so they could invade Iraq. Both should have been charged and hang.
Then we have the felons and criminals that the Republicans move from state to state to get elected to office, moving them so there backgrounds get hidden.
Hillary is an angel compare to many of the Republicans serving in our government, or should I say, getting elected for lifetime pensions, good benefits and salary and doing nothing. Most of the Republicans in office now are doing nothing but blocking Obama while he serves as our President.

All of the email that are now confidential was not confidential at the time she served. They were marked since she has left office. This is all part of the GOP conspiracy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rladdi (Reply #164)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:49 PM

178. If I can "prove" that "now confidential/was not confidential at the time"

 

is a lie, will you believe this isn't a conspiracy by the GOP?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #178)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:26 PM

278. Ah, don't even ask, he obviously doesn't have a clue. . .

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rladdi (Reply #164)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:01 PM

231. Regarding classified materials

From the timeline:
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Medium_Version_-_Part_1

snip

January 21, 2009 - February 1, 2013: In her time as secretary of state, Clinton uses only her private email account on her private server for all her work and personal emails. There are 62,320 emails sent to or from her hdr22@clintonemail.com address, which is an average of 296 a week, or nearly 1,300 a month. Clinton will later claim that roughly half of these (31,830) were private in nature and she will delete them before investigators can look at them. The Washington Post will later explain, "Most of her emails were routine, including those sent to friends. Some involved the coordination of efforts to bring aid to Haiti by the State Department and her husband's New York-based Clinton Foundation - notes that mixed government and family business, the emails show. Others involved classified matters. State Department and Intelligence Community officials have determined that 2,093 email chains contained classified information. Most of the classified emails have been labeled as 'confidential,' the lowest level of classification. Clinton herself authored 104 emails that contained classified material, a Post analysis later found." (The Washington Post, 3/27/2016) Twenty-two of her emails will later be determined to be classified "top secret" or even higher than top secret in some cases, due to the mention of highly secretive SAP, or secret access programs. (The New York Times, 1/29/2016)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:41 PM

168. K & R

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:20 PM

201. whatever

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:20 PM

202. Thank you Ida.

Great post. 👍🍻👀

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:21 PM

204. I love conspiracy theories, I just don't like the people who spread them

It is amazing what plots can be unfolded if truth doesn't matter and you let your imagination run wild.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Progressive dog (Reply #204)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:58 PM

261. With the power of Hate, all things are possible.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Progressive dog (Reply #204)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:28 PM

280. Like I keep saying to this "conspiracy theory" nonsense meme

 

The Obama Administration, the DoJ, the FBI, FOX, CBS, ABC, NBC, the NYT, etc. ALL in on the "conspiracy". Everyone in on it except Hillary.
Sound implausible? Duh!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #280)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:15 PM

296. Initials of news organizations

that reported that Hillary had a server with e-mails on it are not the same as the conspiracy theory about Hillary posted in the OP. Of course the first thing conspiracy theorists do is try to gain legitimacy by using "authority" to back them up. Usually the "authority" didn't actually draw the conclusions or embroider the facts as they do. They rely on others accepting their word.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:54 PM

222. This wins...

...the Ugly Post of the Day contest. The little head-banger icon is going to suffer permanent brain damage. The "email scandal" is an overblown witch hunt. Is this DU or a site for Donald Trump?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:56 PM

225. ho-hum

did you get your training from the White Water posters, look what it got them .... a big fat zero. Don't waste your time ready this post.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:58 PM

228. Could you use more CAPS, *bold & italic text*, and smilies?

 

I always find it really amusing when people try to be convincing by jacking the typography up to 11. Deep down you know there's nothing here but someone how you think that making the words look more important that the arguments you're making will somehow become persuasive.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:21 PM

238. AND THIS --- she disrespected Obama in the most callous, cynical way.

She ran a rogue foreign policy out of sight of him, using specifically an advisor who had been banned from advising his administration by Obama himself.

In doing so, she risked Obama's presidency. It is still at risk due to her.

She either thought so little of Obama or thought herself so superior to him that she ran her own shop right under his nose, and bamboozled him. She bamboozled him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:34 PM

245. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:37 PM

247. Thank you, IdaBriggs!

 

Not only for the content of the thread and the link to the timeline (!!!), but this thread also allowed me to add a whole lot more people to my ignore list.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn Colors (Reply #247)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:31 PM

283. Me too on that 'ignore' list thing.

 

And they seem to get crazier and crazier. Totally unhinged from reality.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pdsimdars (Reply #283)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:48 PM

342. me3

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:43 PM

252. K&R...

 


[link:|

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:50 PM

257. Hatred will consume you. Get better.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to randome (Reply #257)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:28 PM

279. The truth will set you free

 

Learn the facts.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissDeeds (Reply #279)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:35 PM

286. Best to avoid Fox News then.

As you won't find truth there. They and their cohorts are the only ones pushing the 'she will be indicted' meme.

FBI is doing its job and they aren't leaking to the press. That's the fact.

All the rest is Fox News-based spin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to emulatorloo (Reply #286)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:49 PM

292. Cheap shot

 

Apparently that is all you have. You need to educate yourself. The following is a good place to start.


http://thompsontimeline.com/IS_CLINTON%27S_EMAIL_SCANDAL_FOR_REAL%3F

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissDeeds (Reply #292)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:07 PM

295. Not really. Fox "experts" have a long history of lying about Democrats.

They are talking out of their asses as they always do.

Again, the FBI is investigating. Fox News is speculating and spinning.

When the FBI is done, we'll hear about their finding.

Have a nice day.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to emulatorloo (Reply #295)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:19 PM

297. Your comments are unwarranted and offensive

 

I have never watched Fox News in my life, but apparently you are better informed about them and their agenda than I am.

We need to nominate the BEST candidate for 2016; one who is ethical, who has a record of being consistent and who does not have decades of "scandals" and baggage swirling around them, much of their own making.

It's difficult to believe that you are a true Bernie supporter who does not know the very basic and well documented issues that make his primary opponent a less favorable candidate.

Really, I have nothing further to say to you....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MissDeeds (Reply #297)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:28 PM

300. I didn't mean to be offensive. Truly sorry and apologize.

Of course I know you aren't a fox viewer. Yes I was being flippant and jokey. That was wrong and For that I apologize.

Yes we are on the same side, I just have a different opinion of where this is going than you and Ida do.

Take care

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:34 PM

285. Thanks for the thread. Quite a can you've opened up here, but it is so very important

 

that this get discussed DURING the primary instead of when it is too late.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:40 PM

288. This reads like a Trump campaign speech.

Trump has recently taken to calling her "crooked Hillary," saying she's a criminal, demanding an indictment, etc. You even use words like "ugly" and "bad."

The reality is that none of this is happening and this is pure hyperbole. Of course Clinton doesn't know technical crap. Of course it was a mistake to do what Secretaries before her did without remembering that literally every thing she does or says is scrutinized to death.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:51 PM

294. How is a post saying that many DUers are stupid

allowed to stand? How? I find this completely toxic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:22 PM

298. "Did she learn NOTHING"--She learned you get off with just a wrist-tap

That's pretty much the story of the Clintons going way back.

Call 'em Teflon Bill & Hill or The Comeback Kids--your choice.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:25 PM

299. You're blaming her for poor judgment/incompetence

Who told her that the company she chose to safeguard her servers was qualified and would be reliable handling highly classified material?

Why did she trust whomever it was that told her that?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:34 PM

301. But can they prove she deliberately attempted

to obstruct justice?
Or that she knowingly and willfully handled material that was classified at the time in a way in contravention of law?

Can they prove she did this knowingly?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:37 PM

302. Those opposed?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:45 PM

303. He is a Bernie supporter

Read his stuff ...don't believe a word of it...just another 9-11 guy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:51 PM

306. What a steaming pile of horse-flop...

With "liberals" like these, who needs Republicans?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:11 PM

311. Garbage in, garbage out.

A waste of time and certainly won't accomplish anything except proving again that those who will believe anything, will believe anything.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:35 PM

315. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:38 PM

316. Your title alone is really disgusting and I have had to look at it all day.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:04 PM

318. K & R, the correct people are seeing this post and responding n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:12 PM

319. If the general election is Trump vs Clinton

and indictment comes *after* the primary, leading to a President Trump... a pox on the heads of every damn fool who stuck those heads in the sand crying 'lalala conspiracy Benghazi lalala'. Because this is obviously a big problem.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Matariki (Reply #319)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:54 PM

343. Yep. Watch - if Trump wins

 

they'll blame everyone except Hillary.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:34 PM

320. Your first bullet point


SHE MIGHT BE AN IDIOT <== On what planet would someone think communication between the United States Secretary of State and the Four Star General Commander of United States Central Command wasn't classified?


Sorry buddy but Freedom of Information requests are made all the tie for communications of both the SOC and every other government official. Even though you think it should be a memo about a lunch date is not classified.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Buzz cook (Reply #320)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:46 PM

341. Thank you for addressing the substance.

 

I admit I've only skimmed most of the comments in this long thread -- but, as far as I've noticed, all the criticisms before yours are complete rubbish. I don't mean that they make bad arguments. I mean that they don't make any arguments at all. They just say this is the kind of stuff you might find on Free Republic or Fox, or that it helps Trump, or that it shows Bernie's supporters desperation, the like. Not one of these "points", even if accurate, goes to the truth of any of the particulars in the OP.

As for your specific point, I agree. When I read the OP, it occurred to me that two highly placed officials could indeed exchange emails that should be not exposed to intrusive eyes, but that they would also have some that were innocuous, like a lunch date. The mere existence of some Clinton-Petraeus emails on an unsecured private server doesn't prove that laws about classified information were broken.

OTOH, these emails do at least raise concerns about how Clinton's practices complied with the separate goals of protecting classified information and fully responding to legitimate FOIA requests. On that latter point, the facts may show that she impeded FOIA responses, or made compliance impossible to ascertain. That would presumably be "illegal" in the sense of violating FOIA even if there's no criminal penalty. (Many violations of law carry no criminal penalty and therefore aren't the basis for an indictment.)

You seem to be alone in your ability to respond to criticisms of Clinton in any manner other than invective. For that reason, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the rest of the OP.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jim Lane (Reply #341)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:21 PM

364. With all due respect

How did you expect people to respond with such an inflammatory thread title? I'm pretty sure you would respond in kind to a similar thread title about Sanders.

I'll respond to other parts of the OP when I get back from work.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Buzz cook (Reply #364)

Tue May 3, 2016, 03:17 PM

367. Face it, the primary is heated, and BOTH sides' thread titles reflect that.

 

Just dipping into the Hillary Clinton Group, I find, on the very first page of the thread listing, these specimens: "Bernie Sanders declares war on reality" and "How stupid do they think we are?" (Note the similarity of that last one to the second half of the title you object to.) I could of course multiply the examples if I troubled to check later HCG pages or to include GD-P in my survey.

In this thread we're in now, I personally, had I been posting along the lines of the OP, would have chosen a different title. But that's just my personal style. Most of my arguing is done in legal briefs submitted to judges, and the accepted norm in the field is that language is more restrained (some might say bloodless). Most Clinton supporters and most Sanders supporters haven't been shaped by years of writing in that kind of environment. Instead, they cut loose. DU might be a better place if no Sanders supporters wrote thread titles like this one, or if no Clinton supporters called us "bed bugs" (the latest encomium I've added to my collection), but anyone posting here has to recognize that some people will write that way.

I look forward to reading your further thoughts on the OP.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jim Lane (Reply #367)

Wed May 4, 2016, 12:29 AM

371. I object to both, each and every.

An inflammatory title is one no matter who posts it. The point it to inflame.

SHE IS A TERRIBLE CRIMINAL<== Oh, but it gets better -- I had wondered why she had her staff PRINT off 30,000 emails and then make such a production of presenting them. She knew how to do an email dump electronically (her attorney had copies of the unrelated emails on a thumb drive in his office for months!), so why kill the trees?


After pasting and copying this part I thought I'd read the original article. Mostly because this didn't make a lot of sense.

Is the OP saying Clinton is a terrible criminal as in incompetent or terrible as in very bad person.?

Is printing out files a crime in itself? I'd think it would be SOP for an investigation to have hard copies of the information in question.

But back to the article which is much more interesting than the OP. If it can be believed, then there is some exculpatory information in store for Clinton fans.

Did Clinton delete Emails in an attept to hide evidence? Well according to this article she didn't.

How do we know the FBI has recovered Clinton's deleted emails?

In late August 2015, a week after the FBI took possession of Clinton's private email server, Clinton's campaign acknowledged "that there was an attempt to wipe her server before it was turned over last week to the FBI. But two sources with direct knowledge of the investigation told NBC News... that the bureau may be able to recover at least some data." In September 2015, Bloomberg News reported that, "Once the emails have been extracted, a group of agents has been separating personal correspondence and passing along work-related messages to agents leading the investigation..." That same month, The New York Times reported that according to two unnamed government officials, "It was not clear whether the entire trove of roughly 60,000 emails had been found on the server, but one official said it had not been very hard for the FBI to recover the messages." In late March 2016, the Los Angeles Times reported that since the FBI took possession of Clinton's private server on August 12, 2015, the FBI has "recovered most, if not all, of the deleted correspondence, said a person familiar with the investigation."

That the FBI did not find it hard to recover the emails says to me that all of her deleted emails have been recovered. Furthermore, there were multiple copies of her server, so the FBI probably didn't have any trouble at all if only one server copy was wiped – that is, overwritten repeatedly so that old data cannot be recovered. When a company named Platte River Networks took over management of Clinton's email server in mid-2013, it transferred all the contents of her server onto a new server and managed that, but also kept the old server, and the FBI eventually took possession of both servers. Plus, Platte River Networks had a contract with another company called Datto, which made monthly copies of the server in the cloud. But Platte River Networks didn't know this was happening since they didn't ask for it or pay for it, and they only found out about it after the FBI had taken the servers away.


Look at the sentence I emphasized. "Furthermore, there were multiple copies of her server, so the FBI probably didn't have any trouble at all if only one server copy was wiped – that is, overwritten repeatedly so that old data cannot be recovered."

Only one copy of Clinton's Emails was deleted and there was no attempt to hide the deleted material by overwriting. As most of you know simply deleting something from your computer will not make it go away. You have to over write the sections of the hard drive that held that deleted material and it's better to do it several times.

What does this tell us? Well it indicates that either she didn't have a guilty conscience and wasn't trying to hide her emails from an investigation or she and her entire IT crew know less about hiding data that the average poster on DU.

Imho the former makes more sense.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Buzz cook (Reply #371)

Wed May 4, 2016, 03:05 AM

373. I think your post explains the ambiguity you note.

 

Apparently, Clinton caused to be printed out paper copies of her emails. No, printing out files is not a crime in itself. What she's criticized for -- I don't know if it's a crime but it sounds deceptive -- is that (1) some of the emails were removed from the stack of printouts, and (2) some were included only in redacted form. As to both points, if there was no indication of omissions, then the information dump was deceptive.

Thus, my interpretation of "terrible criminal" is "incompetent criminal". Although the server was wiped, all the emails in full text could still be recovered from it. Furthermore, this other company apparently created a backup copy on another server, a fact that may or may not have been known to Clinton. Therefore, if the release of an almost-complete paper file was an effort to conceal some emails and parts of others, then the attempt was unlikely to succeed.

You conclude that she wasn't trying to hide anything. What you don't say, however, is what the alternative (presumably innocent) explanation was. If in fact she released a set of paper copies that was so voluminous as to appear complete, but it wasn't complete, and if there was no accompanying indication that it wasn't complete, then my first impression is that it was an attempt to hide something. Perhaps her thought was that the FBI wouldn't bother trying to retrieve anything from the wiped server because the agents would have the paper file.

If there were 30,000 or 60,000 pieces of paper, it would at least be conceivable that a handful of them could go missing during the process, just through inadvertence. I wonder whether the ones that were omitted were quite unexceptional -- which is what you'd expect if it was just inadvertence -- or if they were particularly problematic for Clinton. Even if you credit the explanation of inadvertence, however, it's much harder to make that defense for the production of redacted emails. If the facts are as stated, then it does look like an attempt at concealment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here