Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:30 PM Jul 2016

Goodbye DU

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by mcar (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I stayed until the very end, but it's time to leave. Normally I wouldn't bother to create an OP like this as I'm sure most people don't care (I wouldn't tbh) but I have one last thing to say before signing off for good. I've been a supporter of Bernie Sanders since he announced his candidacy, and I came to this website because it was a place to talk about the campaign with like-minded people. At first it was great. I really enjoyed my time here last summer and was pleased to see so many others as passionate as I am about politics in America. However, as Bernie became more popular, and an actual threat to win the nomination, I noticed an increase in the number of outright hostile threads about him and his supporters. It quickly got to the point where coming to this board became significantly less enjoyable.

As the primary dragged on the vitriol from both sides only got worse, and I got the distinct impression that progressives aren't wanted here whatsoever. Worse, now that Hillary has officially won the nomination, some of the most spiteful posters on this board all of a sudden want to embrace Bernie and his supporters. I'm sorry, but you can't spend an entire year demonizing people only to expect them to shake your hand after you win. It's become abundantly clear that my views and those of other Bernie supporters are not wanted on this board. In some ways, it's a reflection of the Democratic Party right now.

So in an attempt to stay within the ToS, consider this constructive criticism of HRC and the Dem Party. If you really want party unity now and in the future, you need to listen to and embrace the Sanders wing. Yes, we're loud. Yes, we're passionate. We are both of those things because we *truly* believe in progressive ideals. Free college tuition. Single payer healthcare. A sane foreign policy. Environmental justice. Racial justice. Economic justice... The list goes on. Ignore progressives at your own peril.

I'm leaving because my experience on this site has turned sour over the last 9 months, and it's entirely because of certain posters who (frankly) take the progressive vote for granted. Goodbye, it's been an eye opener, and I wish you all the best of luck in the future.

-Herb

367 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Goodbye DU (Original Post) HerbChestnut Jul 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Jul 2016 #1
Good bye. Good luck. book_worm Jul 2016 #2
...and don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, Herb ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #205
Yet Bernie himself would be very welcome on this board. Hortensis Jul 2016 #251
!!! zappaman Jul 2016 #320
Most all Sanders supporters are great. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #24
My apologies, I can't make sense of your comment. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #25
There seems to be a difference of opinion on DU re: what the term progressive means... JudyM Jul 2016 #35
Ok. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #55
Bernie himself said in his speech that the platform is the most progressive democratic platform workinclasszero Jul 2016 #67
No, of course... The platform is progressive because of the concessions given to him! JudyM Jul 2016 #83
Good! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #90
Some are so disgusted that they can't see their way to accept Clinton, I anticipate that'll shift. JudyM Jul 2016 #93
Maybe so we still have quite a while workinclasszero Jul 2016 #99
"And now his supporters walk away from it" whopis01 Jul 2016 #313
I know most Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary workinclasszero Jul 2016 #314
True, but seems to me one shouldn't forget one thing. calimary Jul 2016 #153
How many of those concessions would be there... chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #189
Let's be real. The platform is nonbinding and the concessions were made because they merrily Jul 2016 #242
If you want progressive change then work to elect a Democratic Congress Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #246
I don't especially appreciate replies that have zero to do with what I posted to another poster. merrily Jul 2016 #252
Also, the platform is progressive because it is 100% nonbinding, as some Hillary merrily Jul 2016 #217
Hillary and Tim Kaine are Progressives who get things done.. just like President Obama. Cha Jul 2016 #135
"the real progressive wing" geek tragedy Jul 2016 #39
You can't call a cat a dog. Progressive issues are what they are. Supporting fossil fuels over JudyM Jul 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Jul 2016 #86
Hillary is committed to renewable, clean energy. okasha Jul 2016 #112
It's all in how urgently she approaches it. We shall see. Bernie was more adamant about speed and JudyM Jul 2016 #127
If we can give her a good Congress, okasha Jul 2016 #132
That is unlikely to happen in our lifetimes, if ever. merrily Jul 2016 #231
I hope you're not planning to die within the next few years. okasha Jul 2016 #354
When I was younger and penniless, that was my retirement plan. merrily Jul 2016 #355
A Senate majority is 51. okasha Jul 2016 #356
No kidding, but I assumed you had read my post before replying to it. merrily Jul 2016 #360
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #133
"I'll give you my opinion on Keystone after I'm elected." Ned Flanders Jul 2016 #199
I think she's taking the time to research all ---seriously, ALL-- BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2016 #204
She is against it. okasha Jul 2016 #350
Her position on fracking nuanced differently relatively recently. merrily Jul 2016 #263
You can if you define a cat as mammal that evolved from wolves, barks and seems to hate felines. merrily Jul 2016 #230
What's tht you say? No true Scotsman? NT Adrahil Jul 2016 #52
Yes, but no. A consensus definition of "Scotsman" is probably easy merrily Jul 2016 #234
Kind of hard to call the Sanders support a "wing" BlueStreak Jul 2016 #172
I consider Hillary progressive because she is. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #244
That REALLY depends on how you define "progressive." I have seen hundreds of posts here merrily Jul 2016 #187
Well, if you define progressive lovemydog Jul 2016 #209
Thanks for posting yet another pot shot at the left in reply to my thoughtful, sincere post. merrily Jul 2016 #211
Thanks. I'm part of the left. lovemydog Jul 2016 #213
I never questioned the sincertiy of your desire to reply to me pejoratively. merrily Jul 2016 #215
You obviously do not know Merrily very well. pangaia Jul 2016 #312
Excellent thoughtful post, merrily. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #210
Thanks and back at you, PoliticalMalcontent. merrily Jul 2016 #250
Have fun with that. Already addressed every aspect. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #226
"Have fun with that?" merrily Jul 2016 #227
Sorry you feel so dispositive. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #236
Silly me. I do feel that I am the final authority on what my own views are. merrily Jul 2016 #237
You are absolutely the final authority on your OWN VIEWS. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #238
I've seen quite a few heartfelt farewell posts, which have accelerated since the merrily Jul 2016 #240
I find grave dancing to be acceptable... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #245
To each his own. merrily Jul 2016 #257
Pointing out dishonesty is more than acceptable. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #269
Again, your opinion. merrily Jul 2016 #274
**My opinion** was many left this board one_voice Jul 2016 #317
Excuse me, one voice, but which board did I run? merrily Jul 2016 #319
um, still one isn't my name... one_voice Jul 2016 #324
I caught my error and changed it before I saw your post. merrily Jul 2016 #334
Do you charge for reading minds? one_voice Jul 2016 #344
For reading your mind? Nah. merrily Jul 2016 #345
I hope to see you at JPR, Herb. Take care. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #4
You mean the site where they can freely call Hillary the "c" word, or post comments such as still_one Jul 2016 #131
Give it a rest. It's another website for a reason. merrily Jul 2016 #229
Not even close. They had a whole forum on JPR dedicated to trashing DU and DUers. I just wish Squinch Jul 2016 #271
hillarysupporters.com And how is JPR *not* another website? merrily Jul 2016 #275
Yes I am aware of that site. It is very mild and supportive of Hillary. Nothing more. Squinch Jul 2016 #282
Bull puckies. Posts on "that site' said horrible things about Sanders and DUers who supported him. merrily Jul 2016 #285
Yes, one member did unload one time after being stalked both here and offline. Squinch Jul 2016 #287
Just stop it. The posts I saw were not from one member. merrily Jul 2016 #288
Oh, dear. The drama! And though no one is bullying anyone Squinch Jul 2016 #290
All DIC said was "See you at JPR," directed at the OP, who is leaving anyway. Hardly shilling. merrily Jul 2016 #298
Ok, I'll make one more comment: If a poster encouraged going to Free Republic in a GBCW thread Squinch Jul 2016 #301
Except DIC did not encourage him. He's leaving here anyway and may well be there already. merrily Jul 2016 #306
OP's point validated. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #136
Not sure I understand. I was giving the OP a sincere farewell. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #140
Generally, a backhanded compliment doesn't come with a pair of brass knuckles. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #147
Let me say this straight and true once more DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #182
The cry of the carrots! Ned Flanders Jul 2016 #200
I left that one wide open, didn't I? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #202
The problem with message boards are misunderstandings that never merrily Jul 2016 #254
Hi, Black Adder. merrily Jul 2016 #259
Although both DIC and you are innocent in this, that is one hell of a great sentence. merrily Jul 2016 #265
Seems about right. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #160
Glad to hear it resonated with you--thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #163
Lol giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #168
Good luck griffi94 Jul 2016 #5
Blah blah blah gaspee Jul 2016 #6
Some people are so bitterly dismissive to Berniecrats here that they can't even see the point JudyM Jul 2016 #28
I won't insult the guy, but... Adrahil Jul 2016 #47
Certain positions are simply more progressive, and whether people like Bernie personally or not, his JudyM Jul 2016 #75
Not gonna fight the primary again, but... Adrahil Jul 2016 #78
All who call themselves progressives don't agree on where they want to end up, or even on what merrily Jul 2016 #260
That's true.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #266
I would argue that your use of the term "Berniecrat" is itself a rejection of unity (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #64
It's not; some Dems are more conservative and some are more progressive, we are all JudyM Jul 2016 #97
Thank you -- this obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #233
Do you also object to "Team Hillary" "Blue Dogs" "New Democrats" "FDR Democrats" merrily Jul 2016 #262
You seem to be forgetting that Sanders supporters called Hillary everything from "liar" to . . . brush Jul 2016 #149
The OP seems to have a better memory than you credit him for. And no double standards, either. merrily Jul 2016 #283
Well, imo, the vitriol was much, much much worse from the Sanders side, what with the Stockholm . . brush Jul 2016 #359
I can assure you, Bernie supporters thought the opposite, what with calling Bernie a merrily Jul 2016 #361
You see it one way, I see it the other. For several months the front page of DU was 75% . . . brush Jul 2016 #364
I think your comment would be more effective without the title NWCorona Jul 2016 #58
"Over the last nine months"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #7
Thank you for the well stated post. jalan48 Jul 2016 #8
The poster is a zero reality mega-purist. Good luck in the POWERLESS MEGA-MINORITY. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #20
Adios RelativelyJones Jul 2016 #9
Goodbye cruel world major debacle Jul 2016 #10
Good night and good luck (With President Trump) LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #11
Where in that post did you read they wouldn't vote for Hillary? nt Snotcicles Jul 2016 #82
Beat me to it. merrily Jul 2016 #289
I'll be blaming HRC and the DNC That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #192
My reply had nothing to do with the DNC. LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #207
I live in Texas. The only meaningful vote for President for me is the primary election... That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #346
A couple of things you got wrong. Exilednight Jul 2016 #243
Pfft. What does David Axelrod know about campaigns, compared to the average DUer? merrily Jul 2016 #308
. Grassy Knoll Jul 2016 #12
It's called unity and putting the primaries behind us... cynatnite Jul 2016 #13
H.A.G.S GusBob Jul 2016 #14
BERNIE SUPPORTS HILLARY!!! 90% of BERNIE SUPPORTERS ARE WITH HILLARY!!! RBInMaine Jul 2016 #15
Almost 100% of your posts seem to be about insanity, delusion, not being in reality and similar merrily Jul 2016 #310
No, they aren't ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #322
OH YES, THERE ARE, about those who think different. merrily Jul 2016 #323
I don't do "links" to posts. ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #326
As I already posted, that post is typical of what is merrily Jul 2016 #329
Okey dokey ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #331
"It's easy to boo. It's hard to look your kids in the eye if Donald Trump becomes President." DanTex Jul 2016 #16
^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #70
Amen and Amen!!! uponit7771 Jul 2016 #73
Now you're quoting Sanders? Contrary1 Jul 2016 #223
If you can't handle the fact baldguy Jul 2016 #17
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #34
Are you really bald? Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #62
Only above my face. baldguy Jul 2016 #74
+1 betsuni Jul 2016 #85
The most progressive candidate in a generation? JRLeft Jul 2016 #108
No laughing!!!! bravenak Jul 2016 #128
A generation is 25.5 years, so she's the most progressive since 1990. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #145
She's not more progressive than Obama. JRLeft Jul 2016 #203
Hell yes Stuckinthebush Jul 2016 #268
When we help elect and reelect Hillary Clinton, CAG Jul 2016 #18
Not a word about climate change, the biggest issue riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #155
Wow, so I missed one. What a petty response CAG Jul 2016 #261
Well, I think you should reconsider Onlooker Jul 2016 #19
For the record, the OP is about DU. The OP said nothing about not supporting Hillary. merrily Jul 2016 #309
This is how a competitive primary goes Dem2 Jul 2016 #21
Hope you enjoyed your YEAR here, Herb. MrScorpio Jul 2016 #22
Funny. My experience is the polar opposite of yours bravenak Jul 2016 #23
I was just thinking the same thing Sheepshank Jul 2016 #63
I think all the gbcw's are making the board better once they cast themselves off from here bravenak Jul 2016 #71
+100 JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #294
Right on point Bravenak! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #116
Yep. Some people just cannot let the primary be over bravenak Jul 2016 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Jul 2016 #270
Are you serious with this? bravenak Jul 2016 #273
This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Jul 2016 #276
I never wanted a purge bravenak Jul 2016 #277
nevermind G_j Jul 2016 #279
You too bravenak Jul 2016 #281
Bye. LexVegas Jul 2016 #26
But you didn't thank us for all the fish. nt onehandle Jul 2016 #27
. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #29
Dont forget to vote Clinton/Kaine 2016 JaneyVee Jul 2016 #30
As a Bernie supporter who has been through several primaries here TDale313 Jul 2016 #31
Very well stated. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #41
I now see. Tonight's success is what this is about. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #32
You wrote: sarae Jul 2016 #33
+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #50
+1,000,000,000,000 LibraLiz1973 Jul 2016 #208
Paraphrasing a coment I heard on PBS interview last night liberal N proud Jul 2016 #239
OK bye. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #36
amf taught_me_patience Jul 2016 #37
Who was your instructor? NCTraveler Jul 2016 #66
"Adios, motherfucker". I'll bet your parents are so proud of how you turned out. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #69
. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #72
ok, but it seems boring. merrily Jul 2016 #315
Can't be any more boring than lecturing people if their parents are proud or not. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #316
Does it matter what you get lectured about? Because I get lectured here at least merrily Jul 2016 #321
I'm sure your mom is proud taught_me_patience Jul 2016 #100
+1 bravenak Jul 2016 #103
^^^^^ (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #104
I myself am proud of being a member of www.jackpineradicals.com. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #109
Why don't you tell us what the "Never. Ever." in your sig line is for? Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #121
Why don't I? Because, thank Christ, I'm not beholden to you. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #123
you are part of a site that proudly calls Hillary the "c" word, and has threads which spew still_one Jul 2016 #134
Did you want me to say it again? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #138
stormfront's members think it has good discussions geek tragedy Jul 2016 #141
No idea what you're on about, but I will say that I like keeping one foot in each site. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #146
Lol geek tragedy Jul 2016 #154
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #158
No, it's where the misogynists and Trumpian Hillary Haters landsed. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #166
DU of the first few years was far more wide open to heated debate and profanities. Mika Jul 2016 #180
Hey, Mika. Thanks. It's good to see you here. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #185
I stick to DU's LatAm forum primarily. Have a few long time DU friends there. Mika Jul 2016 #193
Good people don't sit there questioning others orientation. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #151
I think your autocorrect got the better of you, but I get the basic gist. And I completely disagree. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #152
I'm not sure how you can completely disagree with facts. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #162
Let's not play binary games. Neither one of us is a simpleton. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #165
Going to bed now. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #171
Binary, in context, meant that a website with many thousands of posts can't be judged solely by a DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #177
you already have still_one Jul 2016 #164
Questioning Clintons orientation is also a hot topic there. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #142
I guess I am not surprised still_one Jul 2016 #197
I would not do that, but that site is not there to elect Hillary and also merrily Jul 2016 #292
I'm not distressed. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #296
Reading posts by people you consider to be hateful bigots doesn't distress you? Cool. merrily Jul 2016 #302
I just checked christ is a mythological figure that doesn't really exist snooper2 Jul 2016 #332
Proud of a site that would ban Bernie Sanders but not geek tragedy Jul 2016 #139
you seem to be misinformed, but I'm not really inclined to help set you straight. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #143
If someone posted Sanders's advocacy verbatim for supporting Clinton over there, geek tragedy Jul 2016 #148
Having been here a good while longer than you, I believe I know what suits me. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #150
Well, you'll avoid commenting on the Trump vs Clinton race here. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #156
I'll talk about it when I'm inclined to talk about it. What an odd remark. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #161
Not allowed to advocate against Clinton in the election. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #169
Again, what an odd remark. Did you think I was unaware of the rules here? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #174
I know you want Clinton to lose. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #181
You do? I'm on the edge of my chair. Aside from attempted guilt-by-link association, tell us all DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #186
It's just soooooo obvious, as you intend it to be. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #218
Lol, promoting a site that bashes Democrats while on a democratic giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #167
You seem to be really angry about a progressive website. More power to you. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #170
Not angry, & there is nothing progressive about jackassradicals.com giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #173
Larry Klayman must be a progressive in your view: geek tragedy Jul 2016 #178
Your guesswork is lacking, but your tenacity is impressive. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #179
Larry Klayman could post the archives of The Arkansas Project geek tragedy Jul 2016 #184
Mm hmmm. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #188
Mmm hmmm geek tragedy Jul 2016 #191
Ewwwww, I looked. I know I shouldn't look. Two sentences was all I could stand. betsuni Jul 2016 #198
It's hard to see a site where someone uses the B word for Senator Warren as progressive muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #222
a progressive website? LUL. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #293
Hey, do you have pull over at JPR? I created a Donald J Trump account and only got one OP in snooper2 Jul 2016 #333
I can't imagine why. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #248
+1 Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #118
I respect you and the energy you have brought to the party. Channel that. Tatiana Jul 2016 #38
DU really needs a GBCW forum...nt SidDithers Jul 2016 #40
Yes. We do bravenak Jul 2016 #45
It Would Have Zero Posts Every Other Day.. Grassy Knoll Jul 2016 #51
It could be programmed so that someone's first OP in a GBCW forum would automatically be their last. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #347
Admit it... GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #42
Yes. All of this. Even now Bernie and his supporters are shit on riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #43
It went both ways, and it's a small segment of Sanders supporters who are booing mythology Jul 2016 #94
I honestly do not know where this persecution complex comes from related to progressive ideas at DU. LonePirate Jul 2016 #44
It comes from One of the 99 Jul 2016 #305
Don't forget your ball! nt procon Jul 2016 #46
We're pretty much all Sanders supporters here now. Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #48
I joined recently, zenabby Jul 2016 #49
Perspective. Thanks. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #77
Great post, zenabby. brer cat Jul 2016 #106
Whatever Marianne... tandem5 Jul 2016 #53
Racial justice? Have you seen the platform? Or the racial makeup of Hillary supporters?!? Metric System Jul 2016 #54
Promise you'll leave Herb? Old and In the Way Jul 2016 #56
LOL! merrily Jul 2016 #318
Hope you find your way to JPR, where you'll be welcomed. HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #57
As would Donald Trump, who would be a big hit with his geek tragedy Jul 2016 #144
To slur Dems at will. RonniePudding Jul 2016 #348
I've been here twelve years AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #59
Yes. This. ^^^^^ n/t susanna Jul 2016 #216
Good bye workinclasszero Jul 2016 #60
This place will be a lot more open again after the election. Check it out then. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #61
This is Democratic Underground and we SUPPORT our DEMOCRATIC candidates here. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #84
Yes, but we're not always the echo chamber we become during elections. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #89
I don't think it'll ever become the HIllary Hate site you would like it to be. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #125
I don't want it to be a Hillary hate site. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #130
It is nice to have a selective memory, when post like this were common place for months on DU still_one Jul 2016 #96
Your side gave as good as you got. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #98
I tried. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #105
It wasn't even close still_one Jul 2016 #124
Bye! Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #65
This Calls For Zappa... Grassy Knoll Jul 2016 #68
Peace. I enjoyed some of your posts NWCorona Jul 2016 #76
Wait, don't forget to take your big wooden cross. I think I see some nails over there, too. betsuni Jul 2016 #80
*chortles* Quayblue Jul 2016 #340
Good bye. The Second Stone Jul 2016 #87
+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #91
As I've said before , by isolating yourselves, you destroy your relevance LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #88
Goodbye, Felicia scheming daemons Jul 2016 #92
Well, hopefully you'll get better. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #95
I can certainly understand your frustration. pangaia Jul 2016 #101
Right? merrily Jul 2016 #349
. RandySF Jul 2016 #102
Sorry you weren't able to stick it out. Aristus Jul 2016 #107
Too much unity and good vibes at the convention today? RonniePudding Jul 2016 #110
Auf Wiedersehen Person 2713 Jul 2016 #111
I think you deserve a respectful hearing and I think that responses to what you say should Tal Vez Jul 2016 #113
I wish you well, Herb True Dough Jul 2016 #114
I have been here since the last election. Lobo27 Jul 2016 #115
Don't go !! You are very good at BS like the rest of us :) Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2016 #117
Goodbye LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #119
I supported Bernie. I STILL support him. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #122
Alas, you're right that DU has become much less valuable. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #126
I never even read DU during a contested primary. merrily Jul 2016 #353
Bye, Felicia. bigwillq Jul 2016 #129
Yeah, right joeybee12 Jul 2016 #137
By... Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #157
Lol giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #159
This is a bullshit post The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #175
So many of these "goodbye cruel DU" posts over the past decade anneboleyn Jul 2016 #337
Walk out. Barack_America Jul 2016 #176
No worse & no better than the PUMAs of yesteryear. EOM abbeyco Jul 2016 #183
Oh come on, let bygones be bygones. ErikJ Jul 2016 #190
I empathize with you... chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #194
I dunno, Herb. I mean, I hear you, and certainly as a Bernie supporter PatrickforO Jul 2016 #195
Sorry to see you leave. Ned Flanders Jul 2016 #196
Always fun to read ... NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #201
It is funny to see them complain about that when they were " 85%" of the board.. Cha Jul 2016 #220
Hey Herb Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #206
I hope you'll come back, some day. sofa king Jul 2016 #212
A mature and lovely post! merrily Jul 2016 #365
Bye Herb here! See you there! riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #214
Bye Stand and Fight Jul 2016 #219
Deuces. nt Jamaal510 Jul 2016 #221
Thank you for self-deporting? Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #224
You'll be back. Socal31 Jul 2016 #225
In other words take your ball and go home? stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #228
YOU NEVER REALLY LOVED HER obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #232
Behave! merrily Jul 2016 #335
You win some, you lose some... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #235
Oh, the irony of this statement... BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #241
Yes, it's ridiculous. betsuni Jul 2016 #267
When you post the quotes, KitSileya Jul 2016 #286
It's projection. So much projection, really. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #304
K&R for Merrily's several replies in this thread. Scuba Jul 2016 #247
I've been on this site off and on since 2001 okieinpain Jul 2016 #249
Childish BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #253
not unlike middle-school drama, is it DrDan Jul 2016 #258
I have never understood the purpose of these sort of posts...nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #255
Me either. I've been here for ten + years (since 2004) anneboleyn Jul 2016 #339
Take care and be well. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #256
Well, Bye.. MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #264
Democratic Underground Mission Statement: George II Jul 2016 #272
Cya tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #278
Don't go away mad.... JTFrog Jul 2016 #280
9 whole months? Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #284
Maybe we need a Group for "farewell" and "goodbye" OPs! Sancho Jul 2016 #291
And, in contrast, Hello DU! Patiod Jul 2016 #295
Welcome back! nt One of the 99 Jul 2016 #303
Welcome back! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #343
Thank you for the notification of your departure. ChazII Jul 2016 #297
Bye bye. beaglelover Jul 2016 #299
So you didn't get your way One of the 99 Jul 2016 #300
Sanders and you arent even democrats... artyteacher Jul 2016 #307
Awwwwww. Loki Jul 2016 #311
Sure, constructive criticism. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #325
Nice research! I did not know that overturning the will of the voters is a progressive ideal now. LonePirate Jul 2016 #366
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #327
Welcome to DU, may your time here be educational uppityperson Jul 2016 #330
Sorry OP. This is about the cult of personality. Sanders agrees with 95% of what Clinton is Doodley Jul 2016 #328
You weren't demonized. Put away the victim card. Tarc Jul 2016 #336
I hope to see you back after the GE. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #338
FWIW most people did & do listen, but how many of you listen to different views? themaguffin Jul 2016 #341
"we *truly* believe in progressive ideals" nini Jul 2016 #342
Buh-bye, i am very glad to see you leaving if you are not voting for the Democratic candidate. GumboYaYa Jul 2016 #351
Well, are you "with" Bernie or not? Have you completely given up on him jonno99 Jul 2016 #352
kthanksbai! nt LaydeeBug Jul 2016 #357
You had me at " (I wouldn't tbh) " nt Buzz cook Jul 2016 #358
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #362
self righteous to the end. Thank God you're getting away from those "HORRRIBLE" Clinton people who Bill USA Jul 2016 #363
Locking mcar Jul 2016 #367

Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
2. Good bye. Good luck.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jul 2016

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
205. ...and don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, Herb
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:33 AM
Jul 2016

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
251. Yet Bernie himself would be very welcome on this board.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jul 2016

In the end, we all basically want much the same things, and now Bernie also feels the best path to achieving them lies with the election of Hillary Clinton.

We know that so far 90% of all Bernie's followers are with him in that, if not quite that high on DU. It's perfectly understandable if a break-off group of former Bernie followers who reject his call to help elect Hillary Clinton choose to seek a forum where they are once again in the majority.

I hope you find a long and comfortable home on a forum where most everyone feels as you do, HerbChestnut. As a matter of fact, I dropped in on one just yesterday to see how they were taking the convention so far, and, frankly, they could use some good bucking up.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
320. !!!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. Most all Sanders supporters are great.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jul 2016

Same with Clinton supporters.

The debate was more than lively and both sides here rolled out the tanks.

Your fatal flaw is in feeling progressives aren't welcome here. This is one of the best places on the Internet to communicate with other progressives.

Response to NCTraveler (Reply #3)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. My apologies, I can't make sense of your comment. Nt
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jul 2016

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
35. There seems to be a difference of opinion on DU re: what the term progressive means...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
55. Ok.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

The platform Clinton is running on is progressive. The party platform is progressive. I am a progressive.

I really don't care if people disagree with those statements. I've been politically active for some time and have no interest in debating whomever you are referring to about the definition of progressive.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
67. Bernie himself said in his speech that the platform is the most progressive democratic platform
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

ever!

It seems like Bernie Sanders himself is no longer progressive enough for many of his "supporters"!

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
83. No, of course... The platform is progressive because of the concessions given to him!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jul 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
90. Good!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

So Bernie had a positive impact on the direction of the party.

And now his supporters walk away from it? I don't get it.

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
93. Some are so disgusted that they can't see their way to accept Clinton, I anticipate that'll shift.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jul 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
99. Maybe so we still have quite a while
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jul 2016

till the election.

whopis01

(3,482 posts)
313. "And now his supporters walk away from it"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

I don't get why people love pushing this false theme further and further.

The vast majority of stalwart Sanders supporters are going to vote for Clinton in the general election.

The media loves to focus on a vanishing minority that makes for good headlines. Then others take it and run with it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
314. I know most Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jul 2016

I should have said "some". Sorry.

calimary

(80,968 posts)
153. True, but seems to me one shouldn't forget one thing.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jul 2016

Those "concessions"? Actually, nobody HAD TO grant any of them. Numerically, if you combine the DNC committee members and the Hillary committee members, that group decisively outnumbered the Bernie committee members. So they could easily have overruled any motion, shut everything down, and refused to discuss or negotiate or compromise or try to seek any improvements. That did not happen. Many changes were made. Bernie had lots of good news to deliver to his supporters about how much of an impact his group had on the platform committee, and how many changes they effected. Several rounds of that, as a matter of fact. He even said it's the most progressive platform ever. I'd take him at his word on that. If anybody'd be able to assess that, he would.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
189. How many of those concessions would be there...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:59 AM
Jul 2016

if Bernie had not run?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
242. Let's be real. The platform is nonbinding and the concessions were made because they
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:10 AM
Jul 2016

wanted Bernie's help in getting his supporters to vote for Hillary.


I'm glad we now have the most progressive platform ever. I'm not sure what that means in practical terms, but I suppose it's better than a platform that is not progressive. Only time will tell if it actually translates to legislation. However, I am not willing to play like this was some act of pure generosity. It was a quid pro quo and a nonbinding one at that.

Why nonbinding, progressive planks even had to be wrung out of Democrats with negotiation and a quid pro quo when most Democrats claim to be progressive is another issue.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
246. If you want progressive change then work to elect a Democratic Congress
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:21 AM
Jul 2016

I don't care what the platform says...if the House stays in GOP hands most of it won't happen.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
252. I don't especially appreciate replies that have zero to do with what I posted to another poster.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jul 2016

I also don't appreciate your assumption that I don't work to elect people I want to see in office. However, let's be real about that, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2308739

merrily

(45,251 posts)
217. Also, the platform is progressive because it is 100% nonbinding, as some Hillary
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jul 2016

primary supporters were very quick to point out when any of the Bernie primary supporters tried to give Bernie credit. Apparently feeling even a second's worth of gratification for the year we've put in trying to accomplish leftist goals was too awful for some of them to take.

Apparently, campaign rhetoric and political platforms are only for suckers? And history is irrelevant because the last thing someone said on a topic erases everything that came before it. So, I guess you can't base your voting decision on anything but looks--but that would be misogynist.

I've got it. Take out a quarter and flip it. Heads, vote Democratic. Tails, vote Democratic.

See, and you all thought I learned nothing from DU this year.

Cha

(296,541 posts)
135. Hillary and Tim Kaine are Progressives who get things done.. just like President Obama.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jul 2016
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
39. "the real progressive wing"
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jul 2016


sanctimony isn't a progressive value

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
79. You can't call a cat a dog. Progressive issues are what they are. Supporting fossil fuels over
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jul 2016

renewables, for example. Sorry you can't see that.

Response to JudyM (Reply #79)

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #81)

okasha

(11,573 posts)
112. Hillary is committed to renewable, clean energy.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jul 2016

Or are you talking about Trump?

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
127. It's all in how urgently she approaches it. We shall see. Bernie was more adamant about speed and
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

extent.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
132. If we can give her a good Congress,
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jul 2016

I think Hillary will successfully push legislation comparable to LBJ's.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
231. That is unlikely to happen in our lifetimes, if ever.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:15 AM
Jul 2016

Look at the composition of Congress when Obama was inaugurated.

We are not going to have majorities like that plus the White House simultaneously for a long time--and we were told those majorities were not enough, even for something as moderate as a public option because of the blue dogs and "moderates." So, how many liberal Senators do you think we need to pass Great Society or New Deal legislation? Seventy? Eighty? Let's make it easy and say 68.

Now that the "Solid South" is no longer solidly Democratic, (and "liberal" was made a dirty word), how long do you think it will be before we get 68 liberal Senators while we also have the House and the White House? Especially when the DNC, DSCC and DCCC (1) back incumbents and (2) avoid liberal candidates to fill vacancies?

I disagree with you about what Hillary would do, but we don't even have to go there. Just please think about the rest of this post.


okasha

(11,573 posts)
354. I hope you're not planning to die within the next few years.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jul 2016

A Senate majority is within reach this year, with gains in the House. We can thank both Hillary's coattails and the spectacular self-destruction of the Republican Party for that.

I think Hillary's political skills are on a par with Johnson's. She knows how to persuade and how and when to jawbone.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
355. When I was younger and penniless, that was my retirement plan.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jul 2016

I had 3, really. Dying young, becoming a nun, or getting arrested for possession while in Bermuda because the last time I was there, the women's prison had an ocean view. FYI: San Antonio's prison is practically atop the river and Boston's used to have a river view, but someone bought it and made a hotel out of it. Location. Location. Location.

Anyway....

We will get 68 Senators, the House and the Oval Office all at the same time in the next few years? Hope you're right.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
356. A Senate majority is 51.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jul 2016

Presumably a Democratic Senate would not override a Democratic Presidential veto.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
360. No kidding, but I assumed you had read my post before replying to it.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

Response to okasha (Reply #112)

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
199. "I'll give you my opinion on Keystone after I'm elected."
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:20 AM
Jul 2016

And you thinks she's committed?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
204. I think she's taking the time to research all ---seriously, ALL--
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jul 2016

of the perspectives you could possibly think of.
Long term impacts, too. She didn't get where she is by being impulsive.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
350. She is against it.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
263. Her position on fracking nuanced differently relatively recently.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jul 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
230. You can if you define a cat as mammal that evolved from wolves, barks and seems to hate felines.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:02 AM
Jul 2016

Part of DU defines "progressive" one way, the same way Hillary does, and another part of DU thinks it's something like a synonym for beliefs far more akin to those held by 1960s liberals. That is the chief reason I try to stay away from "progressive" except when I use it in this kind of discussion.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
52. What's tht you say? No true Scotsman? NT
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jul 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
234. Yes, but no. A consensus definition of "Scotsman" is probably easy
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:29 AM
Jul 2016

to reach. I don't mean jokes about whiskey or parsimony or bravery in battle, but nationality and lineage.

The problem I see with a lot of DU tussles about "progressive" and "real" Democrat" is definitional.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2308726

I wish people would stop arguing about it or, if they must, I wish they would at least define terms.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
172. Kind of hard to call the Sanders support a "wing"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jul 2016

It is darned near half of the party. That's a pretty big "wing". "Wing" seems like yet another of those dismissive terms used by the "third way" types to marginalize all of us who believe strongly about the things Sanders talked about (fair economic system, elimination of one-sided trade agreements, funding the commons properly, etc)

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
244. I consider Hillary progressive because she is.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jul 2016

And Hillary is all that stands between Us and Trump...who I am sure in not progressive and probably a criminal in bed with the Russian mob and Putin.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
187. That REALLY depends on how you define "progressive." I have seen hundreds of posts here
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jul 2016

in the last year slamming and mocking the left of the Democratic Party and mischaracterizing it as far left, radical left, etc.

Moreover, single payer, TPP and other things that this board would have condemned under a Republican a decade ago are considered far, radical left.

The desire to silence and censor people is over the top as well, and that is not liberal, either.

Until recently, I had two hide my entire time here. One was for failing to include the sarcasm emote (I kid you not) and the other I knew I would get. Saying fu to a poster seemed worth it, though. (Now I love him.) Then in a few days, I got three, one of which was for linking to an essay I had written on another board. Supposedly, I did that not because the essay was relevant to a discussion I was having (it was) but because I was trying to drive traffic to the other board. wtf? If I link to relevant article in Huffpo, is that because I am trying to drive posting traffic elsewhere? Obviously, I was wearing a sandwich board with a target on both sides. AFAIK, I still am. However, although my jury likelihood plummeted from 100% to 40%, I am getting almost as many jury calls now as I always have. That says a lot about the desire to censor.

It's no accident that most Sanders supporters have left this board, even though it is the most active "left" board on the net and it has the best and fastest software I've accessed in 12 years of posting. Even three years ago, some of my friends left voluntarily to post at Discussionist because there was less censorship of their left views there.

If you define progressive as a set of principles, goals or whatever, this board may not be for you.

However, if you define progressive as nearly unconditional loyalty to the Democratic Party and always praising Democratic politicians and their goals, this board was tailor made for you. Literally made for you.



lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
209. Well, if you define progressive
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jul 2016

as consistently running down anyone not named Sanders or Warren, then we have very different views of what constitutes progressive.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
211. Thanks for posting yet another pot shot at the left in reply to my thoughtful, sincere post.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:17 AM
Jul 2016

What a contribution you've made to DU, America and political discourse in general!

You must be proud.

I hope that at least it made you feel good, for then it would have at least served some purpose.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
213. Thanks. I'm part of the left.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:20 AM
Jul 2016

And my post was sincere as well.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
215. I never questioned the sincertiy of your desire to reply to me pejoratively.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:24 AM
Jul 2016

How could I, when your post did zero other than that?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
312. You obviously do not know Merrily very well.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jul 2016
210. Excellent thoughtful post, merrily.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jul 2016

I know why DU exists. It exists solely to help the democratic party. I generally love the democratic party. I see myself as a progressive-liberal sort though, and I fall more in line with your first progressive definition than the second, 'loyalty above all else' definition. When those you should be simpatico with start doing things you disagree with, do you stay with them, or do you follow your heart (I.E. principles)?

I don't know where I'm going to be in relation to DU coming up. It's pretty sickening when I try to make a post trying to get people to 'see' from another person's perspective, and all they do is roll their eyes, or some such in a demeaning fashion. It's child-like and completely disrespectful. Perhaps this divide is caused by people not even attempting to see from another person's perspective, but instead just hunkering down into their own little thought processes. I've posted threads which I have felt were completely valid that ended locked, perhaps because they weren't necessarily shining a 100% positive light on the democratic party. I'm a big believer in seeing things as they are, not how you want them to be. So... you take the good with the bad and make your judgments accordingly. My philosophy: more information is better.

I understand this is Skinner's site, and he can run it as he pleases, but that doesn't take the sting out of getting posts locked down that I felt were probably in the clear as being fair, balanced, informative, and not even critical of Clinton herself. (Edit: Seriously, it had to do with search engine algorithms.)

So... Perhaps in time I will join Herb despite the fact that my vote is nearly 100% sure to go to Clinton. I can't imagine a Trump White House. I also... just... at times have difficulty with the nature of how this forum works. "Cheer on Clinton or shut the hell up " type mentality. It's similar to religion in a certain way, and certainly some people here are just as fanatical about Clinton as others are about their religion. That's a major turn-off for me. Fanaticism usually foregoes logic.

Anyway, thank you again for your very excellent post. You touched on a lot of issues I have had to deal with internally here.

In closing, driving thoughtful people away does not make for a better community. I will miss Herb and the numerous others whom have taken leave over the past few months.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
250. Thanks and back at you, PoliticalMalcontent.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jul 2016

Let me get a technicality out of the way, just in case you are not aware. A hidden or a removed post happens because you said something a jury did not like. A locked thread happens because the thread breaks a forum rule, in which case, you can re-post in another forum, or is meta. The problem with locked threads is that the discussion can go on for hours before the lock. I wish they would just move the thread to the correct forum, but Skinner said that doesn't work well, either. I have no idea why a post about search algorithms would be offensive. If it was removed recently, you can appeal to Skinner.

Yes, DU is a board formed to help elect Democrats. Posters add value to a board, so I don't think a board owner has a "right" be wholly arbitrary about removing posts and banning. However, the terms of service are clear on the electing Democrats issue and we join knowing that. When things get very arbitrary, it's probably a partisan jury not caring enough about the board to try to do a fair job. We used to have a little more leeway in the Bernie Sanders Group, though it was trolled by alerters, but now, jurors don't know if a post has been posted in a group or not.

In the end, it's whether you enjoy posting here or not. If not, there are board that were not formed for the purpose of electing Democrats. This board has the best and fastest software I've used and the most posters. Also, nothing prevents you from posting on more than one board. You may be able to have everything you want in one day, just not all on the same board.

Best wishes, whatever you decide.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
226. Have fun with that. Already addressed every aspect.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:35 AM
Jul 2016

It was in the replies before you typed that out.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
227. "Have fun with that?"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:44 AM
Jul 2016

I expressed my feelings and experiences and those of people who confided in my about leaving DU.

If you feel as though that your responding to something I said about why I and others I know feel as we do is dispositive, that would be clueless.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
236. Sorry you feel so dispositive.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:43 AM
Jul 2016

Literally addressed all aspects of your reply.

Hope things get a little brighter for you.

DU is the best board on the net to communicate with progressives, in my opinion. Love the progressive crowd here.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
237. Silly me. I do feel that I am the final authority on what my own views are.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:51 AM
Jul 2016

Realizing the left and the right of the Democratic party define "progressive" doesn't sadden me in the least; and, in general, things are very bright for me.

Thanks anyway!


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
238. You are absolutely the final authority on your OWN VIEWS.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:54 AM
Jul 2016


One of the best GBCW ops ever. Seems they have really brought an overwhelming number of progressives here together. A thing of beauty.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
240. I've seen quite a few heartfelt farewell posts, which have accelerated since the
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:02 AM
Jul 2016

primary ended.

I have not read through enough of the thread to see if people are together, as in reacting similarly, or not, but I have noticed some self deletes.

I find grave dancing distasteful, whether it's a poster leaving a board or someone who has actually passed.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
245. I find grave dancing to be acceptable...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:20 AM
Jul 2016

When the list of reasons given are dishonest and detached from reality.

Seems a majority do.

I still haven't gave danced here. I pointed out their seriously flawed thought process and did so in a respectful manner.

That's how it's done.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
257. To each his own.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jul 2016

I think it's pointlessly piling on to someone who already feels bad enough to leave, even if I disagree with his or her reasons for feeling bad. Either "best wishes" or silence is more than enough, IMO.

If they come back and misbehave, then get on him, her or it (deferring to the fact that they have developed bot posters, literally bots).

That's how it's done.


No, that's only how you think it should be done.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
269. Pointing out dishonesty is more than acceptable.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jul 2016

The distinction is between fact and fiction, not opinion as you keep pointing toward. The distinction is huge.

I'm addressing the op, not future possibilities with them based off assumptions.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
274. Again, your opinion.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
317. **My opinion** was many left this board
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jul 2016

because they couldn't say whatever they wanted about Hillary & anyone that supports her. I've read the board you're part of . You guys ran this board before the new rules were put in place. I, an O'Malley person was very uncomfortable here. I stopped posting for a while.

I would post a positive story about Bernie--you guys loved that. Post one about Hillary--I was shit on. And now, I'm all in for making sure Trump isn't elected. I would be putting a Bernie sign in my yard if he was our nominee.

The rules of DU (supporting our nominee) aren't new. You knew they rules when you signed up. Just as if I went over to your beloved jpr I'd have to follow your rules. One of which was you weren't allowed to say Bernie lost--you had to say Hillary & co. stole the election. Guess censorship is in the eye of the beholder.






merrily

(45,251 posts)
319. Excuse me, one voice, but which board did I run?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jul 2016
I would post a positive story about Bernie--you guys loved that. Post one about Hillary--I was shit on.


That happened to EVERYONE on both sides, if you call disagreeing with the article in the opening post or with a comment the OP added to it sh*tting on the OP. It happened with Replies, too. I didn't post that many OP's outside the Bernie Group and I was called everything but a child of God. We all were.

Just as if I went over to your beloved jpr I'd have to follow your rules.


My JPR? My rules?

You need to get your facts straight on those points. I was not an owner, an admin, a mod or a rulemaker. I was a poster, same as I am here. I respectfully decline to take responsibility for JPR rules or DU's rules.

However, you misstate that rule. It was not about saying Bernie lost because he had not lost yet. The rule was adopted--and rarely honored--because concern trolls had invaded the board. The idea was that no troll would bring themselves to post that before expressing concern that Bernie was going to lose the primary. If you recall, that rule was announced for the first time around the time that Brock announced he had hired a million bucks worth of internet trolls. Whether those two things were cause and effect or simply related in time, the concern troll invasion happened. It could just as easily have been people from, um, other boards who joined JPR under different screen names than they use, um, elsewhere.

If you read the rule, perhaps you also read who had composed it--Manny Goldstein. Whether you ever found him funny or not, he is well known for going over the top in an attempt to be humorous.

The rules of DU (supporting our nominee) aren't new. You knew they rules when you signed up.


Yes, I did. I post *a lot* and I have not been banned. That should tell you something about whether or not I obey the rules, at least as I understand them.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
324. um, still one isn't my name...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jul 2016

I didn't say you owned jpr--I used 'your' in the sense the board you posted on. The board you linked to often here as an alternative to DU. You obviously have an affinity for it-hence the 'your'. Calm down, jeez.

The rule:

David Brock (noted "former" Conservative and enabler of Clarence Thomas' sexual harassment) has announced that he's spending a million bucks on Internet trolls to combat disloyalty towards Hillary Clinton. To combat this crap, we have a new rule: henceforth, any speculation about Bernie possibly not winning the Democratic nomination must be phrased as follows: "If Hillary and her DNC steals the election, and if Hillary is not indicted for the obvious criminally jeopardizing of national security by using a personal mail server as SOS to evade FOIA, then..."

This not only captures the truth, it's something that a Brock-troll won't write, of course.

Failure to use this phrasing or something very close when speculating that Bernie might not win the nomination will result in a deleted post. The second time it happens, the poster will be banned.

This rule is agreed to by all mods and admins

jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?9700-New-rule-for-posts-on-jpr


Where was I mistaken?

I never said you didn't understand the rules.

My point about rules; is the censorship claim that's thrown around. MOST if not all private sites have rules you have to follow. Seems **some** people are only concerned with being 'censored' here.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
334. I caught my error and changed it before I saw your post.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016
I used 'your' in the sense the board you posted on.


Suuuuure you did. BTW, I did not suggest any board as an alternative to DU unless someone had said they were leaving DU anyway. People can post on more than one board.

About the rule: "Where was I mistaken?"


You said:



One of which {JPR rules} was you weren't allowed to say Bernie lost


My prior post explained about the timing of the rule reason for it, and now that I see it again, so does the rule. "any speculation about Bernie possibly not winning the Democratic nomination IOW, he had not lost yet. "

The primary had not ended. The rule was about an invasion of concern trolling saying Bernie was going to lose the primary or something like that and, as I said, it was because the board had been invaded by trolls. It was not about preventing anyone from acknowledging he had lost after he actually lost.


I never said you didn't understand the rules.


Huh? I didn't say you had claimed I don't understand the rules.

This was your comment:


The rules of DU (supporting our nominee) aren't new. You knew they rules when you signed up.


This was my response.

Yes, I did. I post *a lot* and I have not been banned. That should tell you something about whether or not I obey the rules, at least as I understand them.






one_voice

(20,043 posts)
344. Do you charge for reading minds?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016
I used 'your' in the sense the board you posted on.



Suuuuure you did. BTW, I did not suggest any board as an alternative to DU unless someone had said they were leaving DU anyway. People can post on more than one board.


I have no reason to lie. That was exactly what I meant.

I'm done now. Have a wonderful day.




merrily

(45,251 posts)
345. For reading your mind? Nah.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
4. I hope to see you at JPR, Herb. Take care.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jul 2016

still_one

(92,029 posts)
131. You mean the site where they can freely call Hillary the "c" word, or post comments such as
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jul 2016

"if there was any cosmic justice, she would stroke out"


merrily

(45,251 posts)
229. Give it a rest. It's another website for a reason.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:56 AM
Jul 2016

The stuff on hillarysupporters.com about Sanders and his supporters was just as bad or worse.

Squinch

(50,886 posts)
271. Not even close. They had a whole forum on JPR dedicated to trashing DU and DUers. I just wish
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jul 2016

all the people over there who are vowing never to vote for Hillary would stay over there and stop coming here to troll.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
275. hillarysupporters.com And how is JPR *not* another website?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jul 2016

Besides, it's not fair to hold anyone responsible for every post on a board, just because he or she posts on it.

Do you want to be held responsible for every post on DU?

Bullying DIC is unseemly and bullying her for things she did not post is outrageous.

If what appears on JPR distresses you so much, there's a very easy fix.

Squinch

(50,886 posts)
282. Yes I am aware of that site. It is very mild and supportive of Hillary. Nothing more.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jul 2016

What I have seen of JPR is that it has members who are astonishingly sexist, and everyone supports their sexism. Its members routinely trash DU and DUers, and they are vocal about the fact that they would like to sabotage Hillary's candidacy.

And then they all come over here and troll, and they expect that we will all turn our heads away from the fact that they have been trashing DU and everything it stands for elsewhere.

No one is bullying anyone, by the way, in commenting about a site that is in direct opposition to the goals of DU. We do it for Freeperville, and we do it for Pinergulch. And no doubt we will continue to occasionally monitor these sites and others. It is useful to know what the opposition is doing.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
285. Bull puckies. Posts on "that site' said horrible things about Sanders and DUers who supported him.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

Posters there plotted together to get the posts of DUers hidden and checked out topics they were planning to post here to discredit Sanders.

Screen caps were posted here. After enough times, the admin created hidden forums. However, enough was already on this board that no one can bullshit anyone who saw those screen caps about what that board is like.

Yes, when poster after poster bashes DIC, it's bullying or ganging up or piling on or whatever term you want to use. If you can't see that, I'm sorry for you. And calling what you guys have been posted to DIC merely "commenting on a site" is dishonest.

I don't know who is the "we" that monitors other sites that aggravate them. I sure don't. If you want to do that, fine, but that is a separate issue from ganging up on a DUer for posting on a board you don't agree with.

Squinch

(50,886 posts)
287. Yes, one member did unload one time after being stalked both here and offline.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jul 2016

And the Pinergulchers did post that unfortunate post here time after time after time.

But the site is extremely positive and supportive of Hillary, and I welcome you to go over there and check it out. You will not find any death wishes for any candidates, no one will be calling anyone "c**t" or whore while other members cheer them on, no one will be dissing any DUers.

And no one is bashing DIC. From what I can see, people are posting factual things about Pinergulch. If that makes you upset, perhaps it is those facts that you are having a hard time with.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
288. Just stop it. The posts I saw were not from one member.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

What facts? That shit did not go down at Hillary supporters.com? That it was only one poster doing the things I cited? That one DU poster after another ganging up to harass DIC because she posts at another site is not bullying?

No, I don't have a hard time with facts, but I sure can't say the same for others.

Squinch

(50,886 posts)
290. Oh, dear. The drama! And though no one is bullying anyone
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jul 2016


DUers WILL tend to say something when a poster is shilling for a site whose goals are in direct opposition to the goals of DU.

No doubt you will continue spinning persecutions while defending that site whose goals are in direct opposition to the goals of DU, but there is nothing new in this argument, so I'll bid you a lovely day.




merrily

(45,251 posts)
298. All DIC said was "See you at JPR," directed at the OP, who is leaving anyway. Hardly shilling.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jul 2016

If you all had not ganged up on DIC post after post, attacking her for posting there, that would have been it. So, give yourselves some credit for the nice things she said about JPR in order to defend herself.


Squinch

(50,886 posts)
301. Ok, I'll make one more comment: If a poster encouraged going to Free Republic in a GBCW thread
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jul 2016

on DU, do you think no one would have said anything?

Same thing.

Anyway, as I say, have a lovely day.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
306. Except DIC did not encourage him. He's leaving here anyway and may well be there already.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jul 2016

When I say "See you there," I am not encouraging someone to go anywhere. I am stating a fact, because I already know where that person is going. And, as I said, it was all of four words, until DIC got ganged up on. If it was so important to you that she not defend JPR, maybe next time, don't pounce.

I don't think it's the same thing as FREEP, either, but I am not having that argument.

TheBlackAdder

(28,142 posts)
136. OP's point validated.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jul 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
140. Not sure I understand. I was giving the OP a sincere farewell.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jul 2016

I'm also catching a lot of shit in this thread for supporting JPR. But I still support them.

TheBlackAdder

(28,142 posts)
147. Generally, a backhanded compliment doesn't come with a pair of brass knuckles.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

.


We all know what the JPR reference is insinuating.


.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
182. Let me say this straight and true once more
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:49 AM
Jul 2016

-I don't have a good sense of what you think of JPR and its members.
-I am a member of JPR, and I like the site
-I hope that the OP will drop in and check out JPR
-I did not give a backhanded compliment; I gave a sincere goodbye and an invitation
-Go find my name in this thread. In every, EVERY instance, you'll see me defending JPR.
-No really, look at my posts in this thread.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
200. The cry of the carrots!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jul 2016

Sorry, off topic. Rock on Disgustipated!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
202. I left that one wide open, didn't I?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jul 2016

And don't apologize for being off topic. You've been kinder to me than most have in this thread. Some other respondents have me presiding over Black Mass with Donald Trump at JPR before the big infant barbecue, and this after I haven't said a single negative thing in this thread. I appreciate your post, and I'd sign off with something Ned-Flander-esque, but I've got nothing. Have a good night

merrily

(45,251 posts)
254. The problem with message boards are misunderstandings that never
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016

would happen if two people were conversing IRL.

Black Adder is good peoples. You are, too.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
265. Although both DIC and you are innocent in this, that is one hell of a great sentence.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jul 2016

"Generally, a backhanded compliment doesn't come with a pair of brass knuckles."

I don't know how you could have expressed that though more perfectly. I am in awe.



I just may have to bookmark and Melania-ize that sucker (I'll credit you. I just wanted to coin "Melania" as a verb.)

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
160. Seems about right.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jul 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
163. Glad to hear it resonated with you--thanks.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jul 2016
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
168. Lol
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jul 2016

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
5. Good luck
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jul 2016

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
6. Blah blah blah
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jul 2016

most of us have been Bernie supporters for years and years and years - and yes, even us Hilary voters.

Candidates win, candidates lose - selfish people are sore losers. Look at the big picture and work toward the future - but no, some people have to go pout.

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
28. Some people are so bitterly dismissive to Berniecrats here that they can't even see the point
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jul 2016

about softening that edge being necessary for unity. Comments like yours, a clear putdown and insult about "pouting" slow down the process of unity.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
47. I won't insult the guy, but...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jul 2016

The clear implication that any progressive would agree with him, and supported Bernie. Neither of thise things are necessarily true for every progressive, and I admit a little disdain for those with that attitude. It was part of the problem throughout the primary.

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
75. Certain positions are simply more progressive, and whether people like Bernie personally or not, his
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jul 2016

positions are more progressive. Progressive Dems like me were thrilled that these issues were brought front and center, and the critical element of moving quickly, e.g., on fossil fuels.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
78. Not gonna fight the primary again, but...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jul 2016

Just be uase we agree on where we wnat to end up, does not mean we agree on the way to get there. Let's leave it at that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
260. All who call themselves progressives don't agree on where they want to end up, or even on what
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jul 2016

"progressive" means. Medicare for All, Keystone, TPP, so-called "third parties" drones, extraordinary rendition, what "preserving" Social Security specifically means are just a few of the subjects on which people who call themselves progressive disagree quite strongly; and the areas of disagreement are not "nothingburger" issues.


The sooner we face, at a minimum, that all people who call themselves progressives don't agree on all issues, even all important issues, the better, IMO.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
266. That's true....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jul 2016

I have not met a single person I agree with on every issue.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
64. I would argue that your use of the term "Berniecrat" is itself a rejection of unity (nt)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jul 2016

JudyM

(29,173 posts)
97. It's not; some Dems are more conservative and some are more progressive, we are all
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jul 2016

voting for Clinton. Berniecrats are those of us who generally share Bernie's vision/priorities.

obamanut2012

(26,024 posts)
233. Thank you -- this
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jul 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
262. Do you also object to "Team Hillary" "Blue Dogs" "New Democrats" "FDR Democrats"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jul 2016

"New Deal Democrats?" If not, what distinguishes those terms from "Berniecrat?"

brush

(53,663 posts)
149. You seem to be forgetting that Sanders supporters called Hillary everything from "liar" to . . .
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:24 AM
Jul 2016

"corrupt" to "corporate whore" and many other vile names all throughout the campaign so your fit of pique seems a bit of "can dish it out but can't take it" IMO.

Sanders lost fair and square. It's time to unify. If you can't, you're doing the right thing by leaving.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
283. The OP seems to have a better memory than you credit him for. And no double standards, either.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jul 2016

From the OP:

"As the primary dragged on the vitriol from both sides only got worse,"

brush

(53,663 posts)
359. Well, imo, the vitriol was much, much much worse from the Sanders side, what with the Stockholm . .
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

Syndrome stuff and the throwing dollars at Clinton's motorcade, just to name a couple more.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
361. I can assure you, Bernie supporters thought the opposite, what with calling Bernie a
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

pedophile enabler, among other things and Bernie supporters being banned, not just sent on enforced vacation, but banned. IIRC, the Stockholm stuff to which you referred consisted of two OP's with the poster being banned on the second. The other kind of thing was daily, and yes, on both sides, with each side thinking they were getting by far the worst of it.

Throwing dollars at the Clinton motorcade happened in California, so I am not sure what that has to do with the OP's memory.

brush

(53,663 posts)
364. You see it one way, I see it the other. For several months the front page of DU was 75% . . .
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jul 2016

anti-Clinton attack pieces.

It was totally out of hand. This place became "Sanders Underground".

And then he lost.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
58. I think your comment would be more effective without the title
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
7. "Over the last nine months"?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jul 2016

You've been here a year!

Don't worry, we'll be here working hard to save you from Trump, even if you won't.

jalan48

(13,830 posts)
8. Thank you for the well stated post.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jul 2016

Let's keep up the fight at our local level, change will come.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
20. The poster is a zero reality mega-purist. Good luck in the POWERLESS MEGA-MINORITY.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jul 2016

RelativelyJones

(898 posts)
9. Adios
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jul 2016

Don't know why you are so sure you own the progressive mantel, but good luck.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2016/07/vote-for-whoever-hell-you-want.html

major debacle

(508 posts)
10. Goodbye cruel world
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jul 2016

I can no longer bear your scorn. I am going to a better place... Jackpine Radicals

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
11. Good night and good luck (With President Trump)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

Ridiculous

Thats exactly what will happen if people like you are so petty and selfish that you don't vote for her.

I'll personally be blaming people like you if Trump is ever in a position of power and we're at war.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
82. Where in that post did you read they wouldn't vote for Hillary? nt
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jul 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
289. Beat me to it.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jul 2016

Hi, snoticles. Good to see you again.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
192. I'll be blaming HRC and the DNC
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jul 2016

She couldn't win a nomination without help from the DNC???

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
207. My reply had nothing to do with the DNC.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:09 AM
Jul 2016

You're a one trick pony.
It's so pathetically obvious by every single thing you post that you're against her.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
346. I live in Texas. The only meaningful vote for President for me is the primary election...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jul 2016

don't get me wrong, I vote in the General Election, but a Democrat has not won the General Presidential Election in Texas since Jimmy Carter in 1976! Forty years. So when I hear that the DNC Leadership has decided to fuck with my vote just like the republicans, I'm as angry as I am disappointed.

kissinger is a war criminal, not someone Democrats should be seeking praise and "wisdom" from. Is Megyn Kelly "a superb journalist" because she knows Santa Claus is white or is it because she knew he key to success at faux news was "slut shamming" Sandra Fluke? The Iraq war vote... how long will that be a "mistake" now that the primary is over? TPP-Terry McAuliffe prematurely let the cat out of the bag that Clinton's view on TPP is going to undergo some changes. Clinton wants a 50 State strategy to ellect more Democrats to the House and Senate? Great! What's that? She named disgraced crony debbie wasserman schultz as the honorary Chair? Why not it isn't like she fucked up completely last time she was chair of a political organization... oh wait a minute.

You're a one trick pony.


The only approved one trick pony here is Clinton worship. Sorry I'm not going to join the cult.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
243. A couple of things you got wrong.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jul 2016

1. Nowhere did the OP suggest they were not voting for Hillary.

2. David Axelrod said it best: If a candidate loses, it's on the candidate . At some point the candidate has to close the deal to win an election.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
308. Pfft. What does David Axelrod know about campaigns, compared to the average DUer?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jul 2016

I heard Deval Patrick and Barack Obama think he was amateur hour.

Ignore the sarcasm. It must be in my DNA. Great post. Thanks.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
12. .
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
13. It's called unity and putting the primaries behind us...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

Sorry that it's so difficult for you to take.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
14. H.A.G.S
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

good luck in high school I am sure you will do great!,,

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
15. BERNIE SUPPORTS HILLARY!!! 90% of BERNIE SUPPORTERS ARE WITH HILLARY!!!
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

You are living in an alternative reality. Bernie AND HILLARY just helped forge a VERY progressive platform.

If all this isn't enough for you and all you can do is take your ball and go home, then you are welcome to do so.

But don't you dare say that we are taking the progressive vote for granted. That is outside the realm of reality.

And if you do anything to help the subhuman monster who is Trump get elected, then enjoy your country as it smolders in the ashes of Trump and the INSANE TeaCrazy party.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
310. Almost 100% of your posts seem to be about insanity, delusion, not being in reality and similar
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jul 2016

concepts.

ismnotwasm

(41,951 posts)
322. No, they aren't
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jul 2016

That is an awful thing to say.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
323. OH YES, THERE ARE, about those who think different.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jul 2016

Don't bother asking me for links. But I will go through just the post to which I replied.

BERNIE SUPPORTS HILLARY!!! 90% of BERNIE SUPPORTERS ARE WITH HILLARY!!!


You are living in an alternative reality. Bernie AND HILLARY just helped forge a VERY progressive platform.

If all this isn't enough for you and all you can do is take your ball and go home, then you are welcome to do so.

But don't you dare say that we are taking the progressive vote for granted. That is outside the realm of reality.

And if you do anything to help the subhuman monster who is Trump get elected, then enjoy your country as it smolders in the ashes of Trump and the INSANE TeaCrazy party.


Four references in a five line post and that post is not atypical.

ismnotwasm

(41,951 posts)
326. I don't do "links" to posts.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jul 2016

So no worries. As a general rule I stay out of these kind of threads, but I like the poster, and would not see them so maligned. So stop it.

I debated whether engage, as it kicks a thread, but what the hell, It had over 300 responses anyway and I haven't had my morning coffee .

merrily

(45,251 posts)
329. As I already posted, that post is typical of what is
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jul 2016

said about those who think differently than the poster. It's one thing now that we have a nominee, it was more offensive while Senator Sanders was still a contender. If pointing out to a poster how their posts read = maligning the poster, then maybe the poster should stop and think. I posted one accurate sentence and was ready to move on, anyway. And I need coffee, too.

(Good for you for sticking up for your friend.)

ismnotwasm

(41,951 posts)
331. Okey dokey
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

I don't agree, but I have one cup down, and am ready to start my day

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. "It's easy to boo. It's hard to look your kids in the eye if Donald Trump becomes President."
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

--Bernie Sanders

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
70. ^^^^^ (nt)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
73. Amen and Amen!!!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jul 2016

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
223. Now you're quoting Sanders?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:17 AM
Jul 2016

The guy you and many others here couldn't hurl too many insults at, along with his supporters for the past year?



PS: My kids feel the same way, so yeah, I can look them in the eye.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
17. If you can't handle the fact
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016

that the Democrats nominated the most progressive candidate in generation and have the most progressive party platform in decades - well, don't let the door slap your ass on the way out.

I'm fucking sick & tired of phony "progressives" and their insincere "concern" trashing Democrats, the Democratic Party and our Democratic nominee.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
34. ^^^This!!!
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
62. Are you really bald? Nt
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jul 2016
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
74. Only above my face.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

betsuni

(25,326 posts)
85. +1
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jul 2016
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
108. The most progressive candidate in a generation?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jul 2016

😂😂😂😂😂

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
128. No laughing!!!!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:56 AM
Jul 2016

TheBlackAdder

(28,142 posts)
145. A generation is 25.5 years, so she's the most progressive since 1990.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jul 2016
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
203. She's not more progressive than Obama.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jul 2016

Stuckinthebush

(10,832 posts)
268. Hell yes
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jul 2016

Well said.

CAG

(1,820 posts)
18. When we help elect and reelect Hillary Clinton,
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jul 2016

And she's placed a couple of Thurgood Marshalls and RBG's on the Supreme Court, and increased the minimum wage, and continued the longest peacetime economic expansion, and expanded affordable healthcare, and kept unemployment down, and increased overall wages, and helped win back senate seats and house seats, and governor seats, and raised taxes on trust fund babies, and balanced the budget, we in the real world will welcome those back who want nothing less than socialist Utopias to gripe more at us.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
155. Not a word about climate change, the biggest issue
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:28 AM
Jul 2016

I am so fucking over those who refuse to actually SEE reality.

Welcome to the real world.

This is exactly why even if we "win", we lose.



CAG

(1,820 posts)
261. Wow, so I missed one. What a petty response
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jul 2016
 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
19. Well, I think you should reconsider
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jul 2016

I think most of us don't take the progressive vote for granted and see ourselves as progressive. The Sanders people rejected the progressive Hillary voters as much as the Hillary voters rejected the progressive Sanders voters. But, now, I think most people are uniting, but a few are still focused on the discord. There will always be that on both sides, but most of us would enthusiastically support the nominee regardless of who it was.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
309. For the record, the OP is about DU. The OP said nothing about not supporting Hillary.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jul 2016

In life we have to listen to what people say, let them know we heard it and address it in some way--not necessarily agreeing--before we tell them to do what we would prefer they do. Very little of that is going on at DU. People could say their dog is sick and the reply would be, support Democrats. It's insulting. We're all adults.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
21. This is how a competitive primary goes
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sorry that you feel it was too much. Seemed similar to '08 to me.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
22. Hope you enjoyed your YEAR here, Herb.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jul 2016

Have fun.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
23. Funny. My experience is the polar opposite of yours
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jul 2016

Things are finally getting back to normal where it is okay to support the democratic party here.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
63. I was just thinking the same thing
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:02 AM
Jul 2016
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
71. I think all the gbcw's are making the board better once they cast themselves off from here
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jul 2016

JustAnotherGen

(31,754 posts)
294. +100
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jul 2016

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
116. Right on point Bravenak!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:48 AM
Jul 2016

I dunno. Sometimes folks are too delicate to survive spirited primaries I guess. Goodness knows there was plenty of mud flying from all sides. Some can't handle it when everyone doesn't agree with every damn thing they say, fall in love with their pretty pony, and they don't get their way on everything. And then can't handle it if people are nice to them? That's weird.

Politics is rough. It's not for everyone, that's for sure.


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
120. Yep. Some people just cannot let the primary be over
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jul 2016

Without the ability to keep fighting it, they have no more use for DU

Response to bravenak (Reply #120)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
273. Are you serious with this?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

I think people focus way too much attention on posters and get too emotional.

Response to bravenak (Reply #273)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
277. I never wanted a purge
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jul 2016

People decide for themselves if they want to be here

G_j

(40,366 posts)
279. nevermind
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

have a great day

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
281. You too
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jul 2016

LexVegas

(6,013 posts)
26. Bye.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jul 2016

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
27. But you didn't thank us for all the fish. nt
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jul 2016
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. .
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jul 2016
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
30. Dont forget to vote Clinton/Kaine 2016
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jul 2016

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
31. As a Bernie supporter who has been through several primaries here
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jul 2016

You experienced DU during the primaries, which are always tough but also vigorous. IMO this one was particularly difficult. And then we transition to general election mode, and he sites rules reasonably require not actively advocating against the nominee. This season was the first primary with the jury system in place, and I think that led to some issues as well. It can be bumpy, but I'd encourage you to check back after November if you feel like it because it can be a wonderful site, and you certainly did not see it at its finest.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
41. Very well stated.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

I think there is something else at play here but you have provided an excellent message for all of those who joined during the primary. It's easier to devolve during the primaries than to transition out of them. Tough to grasp if you haven't been through it before.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. I now see. Tonight's success is what this is about.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512291214

The truth shall set you free.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
33. You wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016

"Yes, we're loud. Yes, we're passionate. We are both of those things because we *truly* believe in progressive ideals."



You want to call us all empty shills next? Does it make you feel morally superior?

Both sides have insulted each other during the primary. I'm willing to put away differences and I'm glad there are others who feel the same way. Sorry you don't. I refuse to blame all Sanders supporters for the actions of a few; it's too bad you can't return the favor.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
50. +1000!
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jul 2016

LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
208. +1,000,000,000,000
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:11 AM
Jul 2016

NAILED IT

liberal N proud

(60,330 posts)
239. Paraphrasing a coment I heard on PBS interview last night
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:01 AM
Jul 2016

It was with a Bernie supporter who is now with Hillary (I believe) who said the Bernie Or Bust crowds do think they are superior to everyone else.

That says a lot. If they feel superior, then they are dismissive of everyone who does not agree with them and will not compromise. I find people like that impossible to deal with.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
36. OK bye. nt
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jul 2016
 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
37. amf
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jul 2016

now go wallow in your own irrelevancy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
66. Who was your instructor?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016


Please take that in the lighthearted way it was meant. I thought it and laughed.
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
69. "Adios, motherfucker". I'll bet your parents are so proud of how you turned out.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
72. .
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jul 2016


Let's start a sticks and stones chant!!!!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
315. ok, but it seems boring.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
316. Can't be any more boring than lecturing people if their parents are proud or not.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jul 2016

I love this place.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
321. Does it matter what you get lectured about? Because I get lectured here at least
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jul 2016

five times a day.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
100. I'm sure your mom is proud
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jul 2016

that you're a member of a message board that tolerates the use of the c-word. Ye who live in glass houses...

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
103. +1
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jul 2016

The b word too. They love that over there

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
104. ^^^^^ (nt)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jul 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
109. I myself am proud of being a member of www.jackpineradicals.com.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jul 2016

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
121. Why don't you tell us what the "Never. Ever." in your sig line is for?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jul 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
123. Why don't I? Because, thank Christ, I'm not beholden to you.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jul 2016

still_one

(92,029 posts)
134. you are part of a site that proudly calls Hillary the "c" word, and has threads which spew
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jul 2016

garbage such as "if there was any cosmic justice, Hillary would stroke out"

Your pride speaks volumes




 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
138. Did you want me to say it again?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jul 2016

JPR is a site full of good people having good discussion. I don't really care one way or another what you may think about the site, its members, or my support of it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
141. stormfront's members think it has good discussions
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:16 AM
Jul 2016

Say hi to the little Trumpkins over there for us, they're your peeps now.

P.S. Have Omarosa and Busey registered there yet?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
146. No idea what you're on about, but I will say that I like keeping one foot in each site.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jul 2016

I've been here too long to walk away, but I am excited to be a part of the growing progressive community at www.jackpineradicals.com.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #154)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
166. No, it's where the misogynists and Trumpian Hillary Haters landsed.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jul 2016

Hating Hillary is a wingnut value, not a progressive one.

It is the best thing to happen to this site, as all of the emoprog Trumpkins are playing there now.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
180. DU of the first few years was far more wide open to heated debate and profanities.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jul 2016

JPR will sort things out over time, I'm sure.

IMO, the last few DU alert/jury iterations have been very discouraging and frustrating.



 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
185. Hey, Mika. Thanks. It's good to see you here.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:52 AM
Jul 2016

There are some profane posts at JPR, some ill-considered statements. But I won't be browbeaten into signing on to this notion that the site is comprised of a bunch of bad people; it's not.

Thanks.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
193. I stick to DU's LatAm forum primarily. Have a few long time DU friends there.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:05 AM
Jul 2016

I'm too busy engaging to be rehashing the same stuff over and over.
The constant alerting has made most fora here intolerabable.

Nice to see you too.



 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
151. Good people don't sit there questioning others orientation.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jul 2016

Regularly wish I'll will up to death upon others. Embrace racists and bigots with open arms. Promote Trump as a better alternative to Clinton. The list goes on.

There are active posters there I'm fond of. One still posts here as well. For the most part, the rest are backwash.

Note to jury. My only mention of duers was in stating my fondness for two people at another site that I know are members here as well. The rest of my comments are clearly directed at a hate site. Zero commentary about du and its members outside of fondness for them.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
152. I think your autocorrect got the better of you, but I get the basic gist. And I completely disagree.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
162. I'm not sure how you can completely disagree with facts.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jul 2016

That's a new one for me.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
165. Let's not play binary games. Neither one of us is a simpleton.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
171. Going to bed now.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jul 2016

I will bump this in the morning with the facts I mentioned.

Binary doesn't mean what you think it means.

A simpleton you are not. I have no doubts about that.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
177. Binary, in context, meant that a website with many thousands of posts can't be judged solely by a
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:42 AM
Jul 2016

handful of those posts. That's true of DU, and of JPR. Have a good night.

still_one

(92,029 posts)
164. you already have
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
142. Questioning Clintons orientation is also a hot topic there. Nt
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jul 2016

still_one

(92,029 posts)
197. I guess I am not surprised
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jul 2016

merrily

(45,251 posts)
292. I would not do that, but that site is not there to elect Hillary and also
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jul 2016

places a higher value on less censorship than does DU. The person who has been most involved with that board since it was only an idea two people know about is bisexual. I am not outing anyone: It's always been in the DU profile of that poster. I have not seen the posts to which you refer, but I don't think she would allow anything awful to be said about orientation, even with the difference in atmosphere there.

If another board distresses you that much, there's a very easy fix. However, I don't think it's fair to gang up on DIC to harangue DIC about posts that are not hers.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
296. I'm not distressed.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jul 2016

They are the hateful bigots.

I plan to keep working to change their hateful hearts and minds one at a time.

That sites censorship is set on extreme.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
302. Reading posts by people you consider to be hateful bigots doesn't distress you? Cool.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jul 2016

I plan to keep working to change their hateful hearts and minds one at a time.


You are not going to do that by ganging up on DIC--unless you are implying that DIC is a hateful bigot.


That sites censorship is set on extreme.


Some might say the same about DU's, but in the other direction. In either case, it's the prerogative of the board owner(s) to set the rules. Again, if you don't like it, just don't read there. Frankly, I find the obsession some DUers seem to have with that board a little creepy.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
332. I just checked christ is a mythological figure that doesn't really exist
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jul 2016


You may be beholden to ME though! Should I check
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
139. Proud of a site that would ban Bernie Sanders but not
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jul 2016

Donald Trump.

Enjoy hanging with the Trumpkins over at that hate site.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
143. you seem to be misinformed, but I'm not really inclined to help set you straight.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jul 2016

I don't think you'd be very receptive.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
148. If someone posted Sanders's advocacy verbatim for supporting Clinton over there,
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

they'd be banned for violating site rules.

Half your members are Trumpkins who use phrases like "the Hildebeast" and "Lock her up."

You have found a place that suits you much better than this place. Good luck in trying to make America Great Again.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
150. Having been here a good while longer than you, I believe I know what suits me.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:24 AM
Jul 2016

And I believe I'll continue to do as I see fit.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
156. Well, you'll avoid commenting on the Trump vs Clinton race here.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:29 AM
Jul 2016
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
161. I'll talk about it when I'm inclined to talk about it. What an odd remark.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jul 2016
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
169. Not allowed to advocate against Clinton in the election.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jul 2016

That includes thinly disguised concern trolling.


Just like advocating for her is banned at the emoprog Trumpkin site.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
174. Again, what an odd remark. Did you think I was unaware of the rules here?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:39 AM
Jul 2016

Did you think I've been bursting at the seams to hide my support of Donald Effing Trump? Do you believe that I've been a deep undercover operative here for more than 15 years? Please do go ahead and tell me what you believe motivates me, who you think I am. This is getting fascinating.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
181. I know you want Clinton to lose.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jul 2016

Just like the folks at JPR who think Hillary seduced and murdered Vince Foster.


https://www.google.com/search?q=vince+foster+site:jackpineradicals.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Solid group of progressives there


 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
186. You do? I'm on the edge of my chair. Aside from attempted guilt-by-link association, tell us all
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jul 2016

how it is that you know I want Clinton to lose. You made a flat statement of fact; now it's time to make good on it.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
218. It's just soooooo obvious, as you intend it to be.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:41 AM
Jul 2016

So ya know. Well done sparky.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
167. Lol, promoting a site that bashes Democrats while on a democratic
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jul 2016

discussion board is like going onto a BLM site and linking to stormfront.

Perhaps you guys are getting a signing bonus for every disgruntled little soul you suck from here?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
170. You seem to be really angry about a progressive website. More power to you.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jul 2016
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
173. Not angry, & there is nothing progressive about jackassradicals.com
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:39 AM
Jul 2016

It's on the same level as DI & free republic don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
179. Your guesswork is lacking, but your tenacity is impressive.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jul 2016
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
184. Larry Klayman could post the archives of The Arkansas Project
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jul 2016

at that hate site and he'd be greeted with open arms.

Bernie Sanders, posting anonymously, would be banned as a "Hillbot."

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
188. Mm hmmm.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jul 2016

betsuni

(25,326 posts)
198. Ewwwww, I looked. I know I shouldn't look. Two sentences was all I could stand.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders wouldn't last much longer, either.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,256 posts)
222. It's hard to see a site where someone uses the B word for Senator Warren as progressive
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:11 AM
Jul 2016

when another 20 posts were made to the thread where that happened, and not a single person objected to it. The person who said that was a long-standing DUer, too.

I think the problem with the posters on that site is they are all self-centered. They have decided what is right, and the moment any politician deviates from that, they are cast into the ever-increasing list of 'bad' people they can say anything about. That's not progress. They don't have a concept of what a 'party' is, or that you need, in life as well as politics, to work with people who have similar, but not identical, views to yourself.

stonecutter357

(12,688 posts)
293. a progressive website? LUL.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jul 2016
jpr is is not a progressive website.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
333. Hey, do you have pull over at JPR? I created a Donald J Trump account and only got one OP in
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jul 2016

They banned me after ONE post!

Could you get with your peeps and get me hooked up again please! I was going to have some serious fun

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
248. I can't imagine why.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jul 2016

That site seems intent on throwing the election to Trump which destroys all progressive policy for a generation.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
118. +1
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jul 2016

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
38. I respect you and the energy you have brought to the party. Channel that.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jul 2016

Channel it into your local elections. Work for more progressive candidates at the local level.

And, if you love this country, vote for Clinton/Kaine and against Trump this Fall.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
40. DU really needs a GBCW forum...nt
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jul 2016

Sid

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
45. Yes. We do
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jul 2016

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
51. It Would Have Zero Posts Every Other Day..
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jul 2016

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
347. It could be programmed so that someone's first OP in a GBCW forum would automatically be their last.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jul 2016

They'd have ONE shot to compose and post their farewell post for their "digital suicide" and as soon as they clicked the "POST" button, their account would be automatically shut off. No 2nd chances. No reinstatement. No replies. No follow-up. No edits.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
42. Admit it...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

You are not pissed that we embraced him. But that he embraced Hillary and us!!

Turn you back on us and you turn your back on your hero! Because Bernie is now with us!! He happens to be a very skilled politician who knew when to fight and when to make peace.

But enjoy your goodbye cruel world moment.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
43. Yes. All of this. Even now Bernie and his supporters are shit on
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sorry. You of all people really tried.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
94. It went both ways, and it's a small segment of Sanders supporters who are booing
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jul 2016

and worse, at the convention. Pretending that it was just Clinton supporters who treated Sanders supporters badly isn't dealing with reality. You can't complain that Clinton supporters don't really want to make common cause with Sanders supporters at the same time as Sanders supporters like Nina Turner are out there saying she will vote for the Jill Stein.

There are bad apples on both sides, but at the end of the day, the Clinton side won the most votes and the most delegates. That has to mean something, even if Sanders supporters are disappointed he didn't win.

LonePirate

(13,400 posts)
44. I honestly do not know where this persecution complex comes from related to progressive ideas at DU.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

Pretty much all of DU supports progressive ideals and goals. We don't advocate regressive or right wing views here. There might be on occasional detail or two people view differently but it's much like chocolate chip cookie recipes. There are plenty of great recipes out there and some people think their recipe is the best. Yet at the end of the day, we all want a good cookie. Progressive ideals are welcomed, praised and supported here at DU. Every issue cited by the OP is something pretty much everyone here at DU except the nihilists want. DU does not demonize progressives or progressive ideals. To think otherwise is to believe in some cartoon version of DU, to paraphrase Bill Clinton. I simply don't understand where this persecution complex comes from as there is nothing here to support it.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
305. It comes from
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jul 2016

being a spoiled brat who wants things 100% their way all the time.

procon

(15,805 posts)
46. Don't forget your ball! nt
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jul 2016

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
48. We're pretty much all Sanders supporters here now.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jul 2016

We're especially supportive of his statement that he's proud to stand with Hillary and that she must become the next president of the United States. I hope that all of his supporters respect and act upon the wishes of Senator Sanders in this regard.

zenabby

(364 posts)
49. I joined recently,
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jul 2016

but I am shocked that the mothers of movement, who lost their children are able to handle the situation with so much grace, and the losing side of a primary election when they still hold a lot of power and most of their ideas made into the platform is not able to handle the election loss. Life is much more complicated. Democracy works this way. It's not that your ideas were not heard, there were more people who had slightly different ideas and solutions. If you think this soured, imagine how it would be in a Trump/republican group and how well your ideas will be received.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
77. Perspective. Thanks. Nt
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jul 2016

brer cat

(24,487 posts)
106. Great post, zenabby.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jul 2016

Welcome to DU.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
53. Whatever Marianne...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jul 2016

Sincerely,

Elinor

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
54. Racial justice? Have you seen the platform? Or the racial makeup of Hillary supporters?!?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
56. Promise you'll leave Herb?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

Or should I call you Bud? Enjoy your walk in the wilderness, Herb. May the buds give you the illusion of true intelligence!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
318. LOL!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
57. Hope you find your way to JPR, where you'll be welcomed.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
144. As would Donald Trump, who would be a big hit with his
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jul 2016

misogynist slurs of Hillary.

Bernie Sanders would be banned at that pigsty after being derided as a "Hillbot" by the inmates.

You all have everything you need there. No need to return here for everything.

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
348. To slur Dems at will.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jul 2016

AwakeAtLast

(14,120 posts)
59. I've been here twelve years
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jul 2016

Through FOUR ugly Presidential campaigns. Giving up and going home is fine, but you learn so much more by sticking it out. Just my $.02.

susanna

(5,231 posts)
216. Yes. This. ^^^^^ n/t
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:34 AM
Jul 2016
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
60. Good bye
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jul 2016

That demonizing you mention went both ways I'm sure you know.

I and many other Hillary supports were banned off DU multiple times over the last year or so when Bernie fans ruled this board with an iron fist.

But hey thats old news. Hillary and Bernie have got a Trump to defeat in the fall. Fighting time between democrats is over.

Enjoy JPR

aikoaiko

(34,149 posts)
61. This place will be a lot more open again after the election. Check it out then.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jul 2016

You are spot on accurate about DU turn on Bernie supporters and lefties who aren't obediently touting the party line, but I think its temporary. DU goes through these phases during primaries and elections.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
84. This is Democratic Underground and we SUPPORT our DEMOCRATIC candidates here.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jul 2016

aikoaiko

(34,149 posts)
89. Yes, but we're not always the echo chamber we become during elections.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

During the rest of the term we are open to criticism of Democrats

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
125. I don't think it'll ever become the HIllary Hate site you would like it to be.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

It was for too long, and that shit is over.

aikoaiko

(34,149 posts)
130. I don't want it to be a Hillary hate site.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:56 AM
Jul 2016

And yes, I think the hate for Hillary (as well as Bernie) got out of hand during the primary season.

still_one

(92,029 posts)
96. It is nice to have a selective memory, when post like this were common place for months on DU
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jul 2016

toward Hillary and her supporters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280104210

and there were a lot more worse than that also.

This place was a living Hillary and Hillary supporter bashing site for months.

To your claim of DU demanding "Bernie supporters" "tout the party line"

If touting the party line means to support the Democratic nominee, then yes that is correct, This is a Democratic site whose TOS are to support the Democratic nominee.

If some have a problem with that, then they should feel free to mosey on to where some of the others have gone, where they can freely call Hillary the "c" word, and throw every progressive or group who endorsed Hillary under the bus.



aikoaiko

(34,149 posts)
98. Your side gave as good as you got.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jul 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
105. I tried.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jul 2016


I do appreciate your perspective in 61 and 89.

If I wasn't allowed to criticize Clinton here after the election I doubt I would stick around. We know criticism will be allowed after the election. Might I say even harsh criticism.

still_one

(92,029 posts)
124. It wasn't even close
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
65. Bye!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
68. This Calls For Zappa...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
76. Peace. I enjoyed some of your posts
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jul 2016

Sometimes it's best to take a step back instead of walking away tho.

We have three months