Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:43 PM

Reality is setting in on both sides

Clinton/Kaine is the Dem ticket

Bernie supporters want none of it

There will be more to come from this convention...

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Reality is setting in on both sides (Original post)	HerbChestnut	Jul 2016	OP
And by doing anything that helps Trump's odds, they prove they aren't progressives.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#1
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This message was self-deleted by its author	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#6
"The left" is with her. It's a few pissy brats who aren't.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#10
Sadly, the Left has no choice but to vote for her...	StraightRazor	Jul 2016	#34
"The left" is more than Bernie's voters. Don't be confused.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#37
And look at yourself, asking a woman to step aside because of a bunch of children whining.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#16
Oh, how I've missed the sexism charge	HerbChestnut	Jul 2016	#18
Rather than chastizing the disrespectful, you went to Hillary having to walk away from what she won.	CrowCityDem	Jul 2016	#20
Well, if the jockstrap fits . . . .	Maru Kitteh	Jul 2016	#30
Oh good lord. nt	Codeine	Jul 2016	#27
The Left? I don't know who these folks are.	timlot	Jul 2016	#35
Bingo	workinclasszero	Jul 2016	#40
This message was self-deleted by its author	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#3
Adolescents, eh?	HerbChestnut	Jul 2016	#5
This message was self-deleted by its author	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#7
They booed Bernie at his meeting with them yesterday	csziggy	Jul 2016	#49
"intellectual adolescents" lol. Nice discription. nt	glennward	Jul 2016	#28
That subset of individuals need to grow up. And to think ...	NurseJackie	Jul 2016	#4
Then they're not actually Bernie supporters or Democrats	Godhumor	Jul 2016	#8
Exactly! They aren't Bernie supporters. n/t	Tatiana	Jul 2016	#11
There is only one reality	serbbral	Jul 2016	#9
And some of us are panicked because our convention is noisy.	Orsino	Jul 2016	#12
So true! Politics is supposed to be passionate.	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#14
(And passion sometimes means acting like dumbasses.)	Orsino	Jul 2016	#24
All people at the Democratic convention are going to vote Democrat.	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#13
You sure they'll all vote Dem	HerbChestnut	Jul 2016	#15
Let's see, shall we? I see a bunch of people come	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#21
His delegates are chanting LOCK HER UP at delegate breakfasts.	auntpurl	Jul 2016	#31
Whoops. Okay I hadn't heard that yet.	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#33
His delegates booed Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee this morning for mentioning Hillary.	auntpurl	Jul 2016	#36
Yes. The strong similarities between the far left	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#38
Indeed & the hateful disruptors should be ejected from our convention. They're not Bernie supporters	Maru Kitteh	Jul 2016	#41
Unfortunately...what would it take to eject delegates?	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#42
the people booing Bernie Sanders because he trashed Donald Trump will not be voting	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#17
^^^This!!!	DemonGoddess	Jul 2016	#19
Agree so often with you, GT, but not this time.	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#22
They booed Bernie Sanders! For criticizing Donald Trump!	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#23
Agree on closed primaries. But listen	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#25
I'm talking about the hostiles, not all Sanders supporters.	geek tragedy	Jul 2016	#26
Yes. But we don't HAVE to catch their toxic fever	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#44
+1	tallahasseedem	Jul 2016	#39
Uh, they were just interviewing Bernie delegates on MSNBC who said	auntpurl	Jul 2016	#29
I'm not talking about them. I'd love to see them in jail,	Hortensis	Jul 2016	#45
I think MSNBC is doing its best to foment dissent and controversy, and the people they chose	pnwmom	Jul 2016	#48
Fortunately, the D Party doesn't rely on support from these	stopbush	Jul 2016	#32
What "sides"?	ismnotwasm	Jul 2016	#43
I'm just hoping that today is the last time we will ever see Sanders on a national stage.	eastwestdem	Jul 2016	#46
No, Busters want none of it. Pro-Sanders Democrats are with Clinton and Kaine. (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#47

Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:46 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

1. And by doing anything that helps Trump's odds, they prove they aren't progressives.

All they care about are themselves, and getting their way.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:50 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

10. "The left" is with her. It's a few pissy brats who aren't.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:18 PM

StraightRazor (260 posts)

34. Sadly, the Left has no choice but to vote for her...

in order to beat Trump.

The Left will vote for her, but will never be for her - big difference.

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Response to StraightRazor (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:23 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

37. "The left" is more than Bernie's voters. Don't be confused.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:55 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

16. And look at yourself, asking a woman to step aside because of a bunch of children whining.

Sexism? Naw, that neeeeever crossed anyone's mind.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:56 PM

HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)

18. Oh, how I've missed the sexism charge

Always gotta throw that one in there, right?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:58 PM

CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

20. Rather than chastizing the disrespectful, you went to Hillary having to walk away from what she won.

What else would you call that kind of utter crap?

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

Maru Kitteh (25,824 posts)

30. Well, if the jockstrap fits . . . .

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:14 PM

Codeine (25,586 posts)

27. Oh good lord. nt

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:20 PM

timlot (456 posts)

35. The Left? I don't know who these folks are.

Certainly not the Obama coalition that won the last two elections. All I see is a bunch anger young white people.

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Response to timlot (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:29 PM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

40. Bingo

You aren't the only one that has seen this white privilege movement for what it is!

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:48 PM

HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)

5. Adolescents, eh?

And they're not booing Bernie. That's media spin. I watched that address, and it's clear they're booing Hillary/Kaine.

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Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:02 AM

csziggy (33,522 posts)

49. They booed Bernie at his meeting with them yesterday

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

glennward (989 posts)

28. "intellectual adolescents" lol. Nice discription. nt

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:48 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

4. That subset of individuals need to grow up. And to think ...

... they actually wonder why it is that they are held in such contempt, so frequently ridiculed, and seldom taken very seriously.

Go figure.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:50 PM

Godhumor (6,437 posts)

8. Then they're not actually Bernie supporters or Democrats

More of Bernie's desires are included in this year's platform than any other platform in the Democratic Party history. If they can't recognize how much more they gain by Clinton winning in November, then they have no fucking clue what Bernie was actually fighting for.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:51 PM

Tatiana (14,167 posts)

11. Exactly! They aren't Bernie supporters. n/t

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:50 PM

serbbral (260 posts)

9. There is only one reality

A President Trump or President Clinton.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:52 PM

Orsino (37,428 posts)

12. And some of us are panicked because our convention is noisy.

This what it's supposed to look like, folks. Delegates come to cheer on their own and maybe boo the opposition. We just forget this in the years when there is one pre-anointed candidate.

By the end, we will be united. This is hardly 1968.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:55 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

14. So true! Politics is supposed to be passionate.

People are supposed to care. Would we really like the silence and apathy of 2014 again?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:11 PM

Orsino (37,428 posts)

24. (And passion sometimes means acting like dumbasses.)

We are about to have a great nominee who will lead, and we will go out and win.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:54 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

13. All people at the Democratic convention are going to vote Democrat.

That really needs to be enough.

The Democratic Party's problem isn't these passionately engaged supporters, it's all the Democrats who may not bother to vote because they're NOT engaged.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:55 PM

HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)

15. You sure they'll all vote Dem

You really sure? Because what I just saw today makes me think otherwise.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:03 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

21. Let's see, shall we? I see a bunch of people come

to eagerly engage in the process and be heard.

The noisy engagement at our convention is very different from the malice and hate so constantly demonstrated against us at the Republican convention.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:16 PM

auntpurl (4,311 posts)

31. His delegates are chanting LOCK HER UP at delegate breakfasts.

How is that different from the malice and hate at the RNC?

https://twitter.com/DaveMontero/status/757577543033753600

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:17 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

33. Whoops. Okay I hadn't heard that yet.

His delegates? What proportion?

I still stand with all the Bernie supporters who have decided to vote for Clinton and Kaine and won't insult them by nastily insinuating that THESE people represent them.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:22 PM

auntpurl (4,311 posts)

36. His delegates booed Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee this morning for mentioning Hillary.

His delegates chanted LOCK HER UP in several meetings.

His delegates hounded DWS off the stage (yes, it was stupid for her to get ONstage, but still).

His delegates booed at EVERY MENTION of Hillary's name in Bernie's speech and would not let him continue because they were screaming.

I mean obviously, #notalldelegates, and I CANNOT TELL YOU how much I appreciate Bernie supporters who can see the actual life and death f*cking DANGER posed by Donald Trump and who will vote for her and not DESTROY our convention. But the vocal minority are helping Trump, and they are doing it in EXACTLY the same way the Republicans did. By expressing rage and hate for Hillary Clinton.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:26 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

38. Yes. The strong similarities between the far left

and the tea party/trumpsters, well known to psychologists, are obviously on full display. Despicable people.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:38 PM

Maru Kitteh (25,824 posts)

41. Indeed & the hateful disruptors should be ejected from our convention. They're not Bernie supporters

They're not Democrats and they shouldn't BE at our convention.

The REAL Bernie supporters and Democrats should be allowed to stay, welcomed and celebrated! The hateful jack-offs with lips frothing with hate for our nominee should be ejected, immediately.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:41 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

42. Unfortunately...what would it take to eject delegates?

The ones Bernie couldn't control when speaking elsewhere won't be in the convention hall, at least.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:56 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

17. the people booing Bernie Sanders because he trashed Donald Trump will not be voting

for Clinton, nor are they Democrats.

They belong to the Crazy People party, and they merely impersonated Democrats for the purpose of trashing our convention and helping Trump win.

They belong at the fart-in, not the convention.

They are the enemy, and they were allowed inside the gates.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:57 PM

DemonGoddess (4,640 posts)

19. ^^^This!!!

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:07 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

22. Agree so often with you, GT, but not this time.

When people tell you they are angry at the party but are going to vote Democrat anyway, imo both courtesy and common sense suggest they should be believed.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:09 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

23. They booed Bernie Sanders! For criticizing Donald Trump!

They aren't Democrats, they're Green Party trolls who infiltrated our party by getting themselves named delegates.

Show them the door.

We need closed primaries to keep these scumbags out. They're not going to vote for our nominee in the general election, so they should absolutely be barred from voting in our primary.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:12 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

25. Agree on closed primaries. But listen

to what most are cheering. Sure, there are some hostile rabble come to disrupt. What did we expect? Bernie set out to pad his support by drawing them in, so no surprise, but they are not the majority. Unfortunate that he was unable to inspire his followers into drowning the others out.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:13 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

26. I'm talking about the hostiles, not all Sanders supporters.

The majority of Sanders supporters wouldn't boo him.

But the assholes who did are not on our side, they have never been on our side, and they will never be on our side.

Green Tea is still Tea.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:46 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

44. Yes. But we don't HAVE to catch their toxic fever

and throw capital letters and exclamation points also, do we?

Would people dropping by this forum be able to pick out the difference between Hillary's liberals and these others? I really wish they could.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:27 PM

tallahasseedem (6,716 posts)

39. +1

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

auntpurl (4,311 posts)

29. Uh, they were just interviewing Bernie delegates on MSNBC who said

they would NEVER vote for Hillary. Said she should be in prison.

They're not passionately engaged, they're there for a hatefest. As it stands now, our nominee will be booed from the minute she gets onstage until the minute she's hounded off. America will see a Democratic party who HATES their nominee. We could lose this election. I didn't think that until today.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:50 PM

Hortensis (51,755 posts)

45. I'm not talking about them. I'd love to see them in jail,

come down with Norovirus, be ejected.

I'm talking about those of Bernie's supporters who are voting Democrat, even if they aren't thrilled. They're there too.

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Response to auntpurl (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:01 AM

pnwmom (106,125 posts)