Thank God I'm Not The Only One...

[WillyT]

The Cult of Hillary, the Ultimate Junk Bond
By Manuel García, Jr. - CounterPunch
February 29, 2016

<snip>

Why do so many black Americans support Hillary Clinton? Stockholm Syndrome. They are faithful battered wives. They are yoked to Hillary by co-dependency: “I’ve stuck by you and suffered to do so for so long that you owe me, and I have faith that you will reward me later if I help you reach your goal now.”

In their minds they have no such guarantee from Bernie Sanders (and of course from Hillary such a guarantee is an illusion). It is clear that Bernie Sanders has been successful without being dependent on them up to now. So (again, in their minds) he owes them nothing, and thus cannot be counted on to reward them after the election for their support during it.

What this sad diminished thinking shows is a lack of confident independence, an inability to reason that the best estimator of Bernie Sanders’ future trustworthiness is the consistency of his commitment to their fundamental cause for over half a century.

One has to acknowledge the detestable brilliance of the Wall Street and 1%-ist strategy of political purchase: own Hillary and Obama who in turn have enchained so many proletarian minds to their identity-politics personality cults: Pied Pipers leading their trusting conga lines into the Wall Street abattoir.

If the Democratic Party apparatchiks (the paid minions of the 1%-ist oligarchs) can beat back the hostile-takeover Sanders insurgency of popular and populist democracy, and put Hillary Clinton forward as the party’s champion in the general electoral joust, then President Trump will be inaugurated in January 2017. The Democratic Party apparatchiks are first and foremost fighting to preserve their patronage positions (to hell with the country). A President Trump is no threat to their ambitions, but a nominee Sanders — whether subsequently president or not — would mean that a revolution had occurred in the Democratic Party, and the Obama-Clinton apparatchik gravy-train derailed.

I find it depressing to see so many “regular people” chaining themselves so emotionally and naively to the Hillary personality cult, and feeling so uplifted by this delusion. Perhaps the single biggest weakness of Bernie Sanders campaign is that it relies on there being a sufficient majority of healthy independent minds capable of critical thinking. I sure hope there are.

The Trump and Sanders campaigns are two wings of a general popular revulsion to the corporate-owned apparatchik...

<snip>

More: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/29/the-cult-of-hillary-the-ultimate-junk-bond/

[kcjohn1]

1. Do we have any polls on young black voters?

By young I mean under 50. My hypothesis is that this is more about age gap than race. Bernie is losing the over 65 crowd by huge margins.

Black older voters are most reliable voters. I suspect they make up higher percentage of the black vote than other demos

[redstateblues]

2. Offensive. I thought there would be no more race baiting

Sad to see you stooping so low. You must be running out of things to cut and paste. Easy to see why minorities don't vote for Bernie

[WillyT]

7. Bullshit... There Is No "Baiting"... Unless It Is To Stop Discussion...

[redstateblues]

257. OK then. It's out and out racism.

I'm sure you are basking in the attention.

[rhett o rick]

16. I think the OP said it quite well. And your post offered no rebuttal. nm

[msanthrope]

143. That you are a host speaks volumes. nt

[BainsBane]

150. Not any more.

[msanthrope]

154. That's a shame. A damn shame. nt

[stonecutter357]

197. take me off your list rick .

[rhett o rick]

297. Your side has the list and WillyT was on the top. Who is next? nm

[stonecutter357]

299. DU admins ban a Racist troll .

Mail Message
Reason:
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives". The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.

[rhett o rick]

308. Willy was in the sights after Manny was run off. Who is next on the list? nm

[stonecutter357]

310. No rick.

DU admins ban a Racist troll .

[rhett o rick]

313. A racist declared by Clinton supporters who would love to ban all Sanders supporters.

I find that your failure to even attempt to discuss anything substantive and attempts to bait me into a fight, boring.

So bye bye

[George II]

315. A racist essentially declared by his own writings and posts:

"Why do so many black Americans support Hillary Clinton? Stockholm Syndrome. They are faithful battered wives."

[rhett o rick]

319. So you guys are off to find the next "racist" to ban. The Cave has a list and you know it.

WillyT was 2nd to Manny. I know who is next. Your list isn't so secret.

[George II]

322. Your forte is making assumptions and deeming them fact. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

Perhaps you should direct your disdain toward the DU Administrators?

[rhett o rick]

324. Ah yes the gloating because you have the support of the Admins.

So who is next on the list? Like I don't know. Hey and don't miss bravnak's gravedance thread.

[George II]

326. Perhaps you should look up the definition of "gloat"/"gloating".

[rhett o rick]

330. Hubris will be the downfall of the corrupt culture that Clinton embraces.

Hubris: Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance

Better get going. Don't want to be late to the gravedancing.

Gravedancing: The act of adding insult to injury

[CajunBlazer]

361. I doubt there is a list, the admins simply decided based on the post that enough is enough

If I were an admin I would have made that decision even if he would have been a Hillary supporter. In fact I might have gotten rid of him sooner if he supported Hillary; we simply cannot afford to have racists among her supporters. On the other hand if he had not made that post he would still be here.

But on the off chance there is a list, I want to make a recommendation of who should be next: Any person who dares to defend a racist troll.

[rhett o rick]

362. That's always the rationalizaton for purging those you don't like. Willy isn't a racist, he is

on the wrong side of the political battle here in DU. You will have a different justification to ban the next progressive. No non-progressives get banned here even tho the biggest trolls are on the non-progressive side.

[CajunBlazer]

365. One can effectively support one's candidate without clearly implying that black people...

...aren't smart enough to know what is good for them.

Do you agree or not with that statement or not? Don't try to evade as you have done above. Don't try to deflect. Don't try to dance around the issue. Just answer the fricking question!

If you don't answer the question it wouldn't be totally unusual for some people to assume that what we have here is just one racist is defending another racist.

[rhett o rick]

379. Do this, do that, don't do this or that. I hope you aren't trying to intimidate. Naw.

If you have something to say, say it yourself in lieu of the cross-examination.

[bettyellen]

374. didn't you argue on behalf of the member who was booted for using that sexist slur too?

And know you're reccing this racist OP?

[rhett o rick]

375. I argue for open discussion and against witch hunts and mob rule. nm

[bettyellen]

376. Open means allowing sexist slurs and racist bullshit. Nope- that's hostile and

Ignorant shit. Their are community standards here, much as you like to ignore them.

[rhett o rick]

377. You set yourself up to decide what is sexist or racist and what is not and then ban accordingly.

Oh the power. And that's what it's really all about. The power to lock, hide and ban those that don't agree. If Community Standards were violated then a hide would have been appropriate, but WillyT was top on the list to go. Who is next.

[bettyellen]

380. the community decides Rick. you campaigning for hosts to ignore certain types of alerts-naming Duers

to be ignored, was a huge power trip if ever I saw one. Lots of us saw you try harder than anyone to ignore "community standards" on sexism and racism as a host.
You want me to dig out your post about "the group" and repost it, I will if you are going to pretend it never happened.

[hrmjustin]

382. The owners made the call!

[kcr]

384. You can see that it's EarlG that banned him, right?

And that the post that got him banned was indeed racist? So. I'm missing the step that makes this anyone else's fault, here.

[yardwork]

386. You vote to lock threads all the time!

This is hilarious! I was a host with you, Rick. You constantly voted to lock threads that you considered to be "disruptive meta." You would go on and on trying to persuade the other hosts to agree with your vote to lock.

You did this all the time. How can you possibly say you don't believe in locking threads?????!!!!

I'm series!

[KitSileya]

412. They can start by looking at this thread's rec list. eom

[George II]

314. I think the Administrators are the ones who have your so-called "list". Thank you.

[bettyellen]

372. You shared a list in the Mod Forum, Rick- don't be shy about it! Would you like me to dig it up?

[Bobbie Jo]

277. Here's your "rebuttal"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans

[rhett o rick]

291. Not a surprise. I knew Willy was next on the purge list. Who's next?

[Bobbie Jo]

295. Whooooosh

Just so we're clear, are you defending this garbage?

[rhett o rick]

296. And you think that anyone YOU declare as garbage should be purged. Purge all

that don't toe the line, don't bow to your leader. Not politically liberal. Alert, lock, hide, ban, ridicule, gravedance.

Rationalization is the key to happiness for some.

[Bobbie Jo]

304. Again

You keep tripping over the point and focusing on the "purging" of your pal.

Personally, I think we should "purge" any blatant racist from this site.

Now, what do you think about the subject of the OP? That was my question. Are you defending this garbage, or what?

Make your case. You asked for a rebuttal and I gave it to you. Simply READ the banning message, it's all there.

[rhett o rick]

307. It isn't just about WillyT, it's about all the tactics used here to silence those that don't

follow Clinton. Alerts, locks, hides, ridicule of hosts than don't vote like you demand, banning and the lowest of low, gravedancing. When you guys ran Manny off, I predicted that WillyT would be next.

[Bobbie Jo]

309. Stop dancing around the question

Make your case.

Where's your rebuttal?

Hint: that ain't it...

[rhett o rick]

311. Wow, you really like to make demands. I don't have to do anything you demand.

I know baiting when I see it. It's on the Cave tactics list. "Try to draw them into an emotional argument, then alert, alert, alert."

I support the 50 million living in poverty. Clinton supporters support the 50 million she got for the banksters.

The best way to handle bullies is to put them on ignore. Don't you agree.

[SidDithers]

317. And the best way to handle racists is to show them the door...

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

335. Look

You jumped up in here demanding "rebuttal," I gave you one. Now you want to two-step your way around the issue at hand.

Your tired straw man gobbledegook and deflection tactics aren't fooling anyone.

Can't say I blame you, defending the indefensible is tough work.

[DeadEyeDyck]

32. I agree.

[geek tragedy]

93. This OP might as well read "please vote for Hillary

since we don't respect you"

Please proceed.

[Sunsky]

182. I agree

This hurts me to the core.

[DemocracyDirect]

3. The AA leadership has become part of the establishment.

And AA people count on their leadership for direction for very good reason.

Progressives will need to be ready to embrace them when they realize their faith was misplaced.

[Sunsky]

184. In 2016

We are simply incapable of thinking for ourselves. I can see that the mentality of some towards us, sadly remains the same. How very progressive and forward thinking of you.

[DemocracyDirect]

342. No offense intended.

Every individual weighs their own personal interests along with the influences of others.

Clearly the AA community has leaders.

Not appealing to those leaders should require introspection by any campaign.

[Rose Siding]

4. No you aren't unique. People have promoted like constructs for centuries.

since the bad old bad old days. But I don't think it's anything to brag about.

[NuclearDem]

5. Counterpunch. LOL.

Also, are you seriously quadrupling down on the Stockholm Syndrome horseshit?

[rhett o rick]

19. CNN, CBS, NBC, LOL. And yes the Stockholm Syndrome makes sense.

Here is what Black Lives Matters said:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

Clinton supports tough drug laws, capital punishment, and Prisons For Profits. The AA community support her at their own peril.

[NuclearDem]

22. Yes, BLM has criticized Hillary Clinton. And Hillary Clinton supporters have acknowledged it.

You, on the other hand, joined in the chorus of attacking the whole damned movement as "angry black lesbians" who love Sarah Palin and are being paid for by Merck and George Soros for the crime of interrupting your candidate.

Spare me.

[rhett o rick]

33. LOL. Funny schit. nm

[Chan790]

48. You forgot her and Bill's outstanding work on welfare reform.

Reform was really a code-word for "throw lots of people off needed state and federal benefits until they jump through enough hoops to prove their need is legitimate. Then, let's randomly choose a portion of them (who end up being disproportionately black, even in CT where the majority of benefit recipients are white) and force them to perform menial work in addition to whatever work they already do in order to continue to receive their benefits...we'll claim its teaching occupational skills, apparently such as how to pick up litter on the side of the Berlin Turnpike along with the prisoners on work-release and the kids working off their community service for under-aged drinking."

Furtherance of their center-right bullshit to reform welfare and pseudo-criminalize poverty...exploitation and claims they shared pain they were causing. That's what Bill and Hillary do.

[zappaman]

82. Rick, when you're in Europe on your upcoming vacation

Could you swing by Stockholm and get to the bottom of this?
Thanks, buddy.
.

[hrmjustin]

83. .

[bravenak]

98. Oh my!

[BainsBane]

152. Good idea!

[bettyellen]

373. LOL! !

[awoke_in_2003]

404. This is why you are one of my favorites. nt

[hrmjustin]

6. Great job at toning it down!

[Matt_in_STL]

168. Yeah, just like the many Hillary supporters with their transparency pages lit up

The removal of the 5-hide ban was like an invitation to turn this place into an asshole party.

[sufrommich]

172. You can't be serious. Check out what's hidden in

this one OP and what's been allowed to stay. Those "lit up" transparency pages speak volumes but not for the reasons you claim they do. I hope Skinner makes do on his promise and stops the obvious alert stalking going on here.

[obamanut2012]

216. lolz

[DemocratSinceBirth]

287. I have never been banned...

Matt_in_STL (570 posts)
168. Yeah, just like the many Hillary supporters with their transparency pages lit up

The removal of the 5-hide ban was like an invitation to turn this place into an asshole party.

I have never been banned... That being said using a gamed jury system to silence your adversaries screams pusillanimity.

[PeaceNikki]

8. Ffs, Willy, just stop looking for validation of your "Stockholm Syndrome" BS.

It's awful.

[rhett o rick]

21. The Clintons are interested in amassing a huge fortune, $150,000,000 and climbing. They

don't care about the AA community. BLM said it best:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

[montana_hazeleyes]

9. i don't care who wrote this or who posted it.

I find many things written here as terribly insulting to black people.

[rhett o rick]

24. Yes it gives me the vapors. nm

[obamanut2012]

217. Dismisisng concerns of a black poster as "the vapors"

wtf

[bravenak]

10. Really? You proud of this?

Apologize and cut it out.

[WillyT]

52. Hey bravenak... You DO NOT Have The Monopoly On AA/POC Posts...

And...

You have no idea as to my history, my family, and my situation.

Please do not use false accusations for political benefit.

It makes you less than...

Plus... You're Wrong

[bravenak]

54. I know your history of having no problem calling us Stockholm syndrome victims

[WillyT]

55. I Just Think You're Fucking Nuts...

But that's just me.

YOU.. try to make it something it's not.

[bravenak]

56. I see exactly what it is and it aint pretty

[NuclearDem]

58. Just a tip, Willy:

If you're in a position having to defend yourself against accusations of insulting black people by calling them psychologically damaged...

...I wouldn't advise doing so by calling a black woman "fucking nuts."

Just a little PROTIP.

[brush]

94. Nothing but a keyboard warrior who wouldn't have the nerve to say it face-to-face

[joshcryer]

109. 3-4 to keep, anyone with results?

And did you alert on the jury? That's a jury pool that certainly needs to be removed from duty.

[GusBob]

142. According to the new policy

Some of those jurors should have their privlages revoked for partisanship

[sufrommich]

147. I alerted anyway.Enough alerts will send it to Admins even

if it's already survived a jury.

[Renew Deal]

157. Ban all 4

Not just from juries

[obamanut2012]

220. It had alraedy been juried wen I alerted

It is the first alert i've sent in years.

[boston bean]

140. wow.... WTH!?

[GusBob]

141. Dude have you been drinking?

What's up man?

[Renew Deal]

156. The new rules have brought out the true WillyT

You're going to make Skinner regret revoking the suspensions.

[pkdu]

57. ..and "Crickets."

Welcome back bravenak.

Keep calling it (bullshit) like you see it.

[bravenak]

61. Hey!!

[pkdu]

67. Hey ! Welcome back !..

Love the gifs, keep up the good fight, watch out for the swarm ...they have a death- throes episode to go through yet.

[betsuni]

63. Where's the bibliography? Isn't this where you tell AA people to read about racism?

[bravenak]

64. From old ass books from pre 1970

[betsuni]

69. I'm going down to the pub to overhear things. You coming?

[bravenak]

72. Of course! I hear the best stuff at the pub.

[betsuni]

76. My black nephew is going to be there -- he's a huge Killer Mike fan.

This is going to be fun!

[obamanut2012]

221. hahahahahahahahaha

[Chitown Kev]

71. and missed out on some of the best ones

dude needs to get to a good research library STAT.

(Of course, I live within walking distance of one in my low information town)

[bravenak]

74. You can find the library on your own?

I'm impressed! I usually just wait to be informed and educated on how to get there, myself.

[Chitown Kev]

78. LOL

Well, I didn't say that I could actually READ the books and absorb the info. I need translators...

[bravenak]

80. Well, youse a northern black so I know you smarter that I am, lol

[Chitown Kev]

88. I'm in one of those northern ghettos, though

You Know, Good Times and all of that

[bravenak]

90. Well, they gon get us some jobs

Get us off these damn street corners.

[obamanut2012]

223. You have to have something to do

Since you don't have TV and internet.

This OP is just.... just.....

[geek tragedy]

95. Bravenak opposes racism. I support her in calling out racism at DU.

[JI7]

136. Trump has a Jewish son in law and Jewish Grandkids

i guess that means his views on bigotry against jews should be equal to what most jewish people think.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

288. Some of my "best friends" argument is weak.

I am half Jewish and have two cousins that married black women. That doesn't give me some immunity when I disrespect members of those groups.

[lovemydog]

11. No words.

[steve2470]

12. I think a self-delete is in order here

I'm a WHITE GUY and the whole Stockholm Syndrome thing is incredibly demeaning to PoC.

[WillyT]

13. As Opposed To "You're Stupid" Or "You're Nuts ???"

[steve2470]

18. I said what I had to say, I'm done nt

[rhett o rick]

26. But "politically liberal" posters should at least respect the right to post such.

If you disagree, then post a rebuttal. Demanding censorship is so Right-Wingish.

[steve2470]

127. I posted my rebuttal....it's insulting to PoC

If you disagree, go ask in the AA forum. Good day. By the way, nice job of insinuating I'm RW. Bye.

[LanternWaste]

215. So is tolerance of racism.

"Demanding censorship is so Right-Wingish."

So is tolerance of racism.

[asuhornets]

14. Your entire OP was

total bullshit. Bernie has been hoodwinking you. You bought into that illusion, but POC have not. non-Bernie supporters see right thru him. Just continue to send your money to him, there will be no political revolution-that's an illusion too. This post speaks more about you than POC. You are here to disrupt because you know your candidate is finish.Your personal hatred toward Hillary Clinton is clearly projection.

[WillyT]

15. See... You Really Have To Know How This Site Works...

That top part... in bold...

Is the article cited...

The stuff underneath...

Is what somebody else wrote...

We post articles that are out there... and we cite them to ensure we are NOT the author.

[asuhornets]

46. that article..

represented your thought process, you used the article to validate the way you feel about POC not supporting Sanders. That's how it works on this site. Bernie got swept on Super Tuesday. So evidently,it is not just POC not feeling the Bern.

[geek tragedy]

115. We see you for who you really are. nt

[yardwork]

224. Good points. I agree.

[NuclearDem]

20. Seconded.

Enough is fucking enough.

[SidDithers]

188. Thirded...

and thanks for taking one for the team, NCTraveler.



Sid

[sufrommich]

196. Agree.And the alert stalking in this thread

speaks volumes.

[treestar]

212. You Better Believe It!

[obamanut2012]

242. That shouldnt have been hidden

[betsuni]

23. PLEASE ban. It's too much.

[bravenak]

27. PLEASE!!!!!

[Cha]

300. NCTraveler got his/our WISH!

67 Recs on it too..

But, the good news is.. that poster and his racist shite is gone.

[bravenak]

302. Yay

[Cha]

306. LOL!

Ding Dong!

He's so cute!

[hrmjustin]

28. He does this crap on purpose.

[Number23]

36. + a fucking million. And why do I bet that your post will get hidden LONG before

anything of his will?

[WillyT]

41. He's A Real Asshole...

Still didn't answer the question.

[Starry Messenger]

59. +1

[SidDithers]

189. And another +1...

Sid

[rhett o rick]

294. And if we want someone purged we will line up and all call them racists. There's a racist, there's

a racist, there's a racist. Who is next on the list?

[SidDithers]

298. Are you defending the racist, rick?...

Are you denying that the "Stockholm Syndrome" posts weren't racist?

'Cause it kinda sounds like you are.



Sid

[rhett o rick]

340. On DU, you Sid, get to define what is and isn't racism. Who is next on the list Sid?

If you can't debate them, ban them.

[SidDithers]

343. Racists don't deserve to be debated...

they deserve to be banned.

Sad you don't agree.

Sid

[rhett o rick]

348. I don't disagree. But I don't agree that you get to define who is or isn't a racist and then the

group all join in chanting, "ban the racist, ban the racist". You seem to be able to rationalize a reason to alert, lock, hide and ban those you don't agree with. You and a few of your friends do most of the alerting, trying to use the system to silence those you don't agree with. That's not open-minded liberal behavior.

[SidDithers]

352. I'd say it was your friends doing most of the silencing...

given the list of posters that were given amnesty yesterday.

Yet I didn't see you speaking out about the alert stalking of DU's AA posters.



Sid

[hrmjustin]

354. How do you know who does most of the alerting?

[Bobbie Jo]

349. What part of this is debatable??

Again, make your case please.

You have not raised one issue or argument in defense of the OP's position. You jump in here demanding debate and rebuttal, yet you are completely unwilling to offer your own.

Why is that?

[kath]

339. +1

[bravenak]

62. +1

[betsuni]

65. +1

[hrmjustin]

66. .

[NastyRiffraff]

68. +1,000

Exactly!

[okasha]

70. +10

[tomm2thumbs]

75. ••• Results of Jury •••

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling another poster an asshole. Personal attack that seen hidden many times on DU. Please hide this one.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:47 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's impossible to follow the infighting here. I see worse name-calling in this very thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: FFS, the poster was calling *himself* an asshole. Try reading for comprehension before alerting.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is in direct response to this post (which was hidden) calling for the banning of WillyT because he's a racist, bigot, etc.: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ssssssssssss
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Two wrongs don't make a right.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

290. Were you posting the results in support or in opposition to the hide?

Thank you in advance.

[tomm2thumbs]

368. just posted for info

I was on the hide side but comment was left - I try to post all results so people can see if there was some reason things turned out as they did. Looks like some folks thought it was self-directed insult but I didn't pick up on that. Maybe if they were in quotes, dunno.

[Yavin4]

25. So, Black folk are too stupid to know what's good for them, huh?

Thank you condescending White man for telling me what's good for me.

[BreakfastClub]

30. They said the same thing about older women who supported Hillary in '08. nt

[Tanuki]

138. I don't know which is more depressing, the OP itself or the 50 (so far) recs.

[bravenak]

29. And you still dont know how to interact with us and wonder why we mad.

[geek tragedy]

128. No, they are angry at you, they blame you collectively for

denying what they think belongs to Bernie.

They just want to make America great again.

[bravenak]

129. Fucking priceless

[blackspade]

411. That may be one of the most insidious comments on a thread full of

loathsome comments from the OP to the responses.

This whole tread is a sad new low for this site and your delightful addition makes that trite old "so far left they are right" false equivalency in an attempt to paint a very centrist left leaning politician as a fucking fascist like Trump.

Pathetic.

[aspirant]

31. Alert

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[amborin]

34. K&R

[Number23]

393. You know, it's funny that if you guys had hidden this odious, disgusting, racist post the way you

should have, the OP might not have been banned.

So thanks for that!

[blackspade]

35. This is a horridly tone deaf opinion piece.

Stockholm Syndrome? co-dependency? sad diminished thinking?

[geek tragedy]

120. It's not tone deaf. It is quite deliberate. nt

[rhett o rick]

37. Democrats would not scream to ban those that they don't agree with. The calls for

bans are from those that are incapable of refuting the OP.

[Number23]

39. You've posted more than the OP has in this thread and every one of them dismissing the comments

from minorities who are incredibly offended by the stupid, racist tone of this piece.

And yet, in five minutes, when someone notes that there are too many Sanders supporters that seem perfectly fine with racist comments directed at minorities, you'll be the first one hollering that this has never happened.

[joshcryer]

116. "Nothing to see here."

I mean, imagine, in the AA group there is a stickied hidden post highlighting this very thing. This very thing. It's so blatantly obvious and concerted (as justin said it's done on purpose) that it's unbelievable.

[yardwork]

163. You voted to lock threads all the time when you were a host.

You were always saying "this is disruptive meta" to persuade the other hosts to lock any thread you didn't like.

[DURHAM D]

336. Your post is disruptive Meta.

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[72DejaVu]

185. African Americans are as capable of informed decision making as anyone else

There, I refuted the racist bullshit.

[rhett o rick]

383. I don't disagree. I never said I agree with WillyT but I stand behind his right to have his own

opinions. Racism was used to silence him. He is not racist.

[mythology]

198. I don't bother trying to refute creationists either

Time is a limited resource. Wasting it on refuting the claim that blacks have Stockholm Syndrome and that's why they are voting for Clinton is the intellectual equivalent of claiming the earth is 6,000 years old. The people who believe that aren't going to change their mind just because inconvenient facts are pointed out. For example, if blacks are so incapable of not blindly following Clinton, please explain what stronger mind control Obama used, because obviously black voters just aren't capable of deciding things on their own.

I get that it's disheartening that your preferred candidate is losing, but the original post is just utter garbage. It's pathetic to see such grasping at any straws, but really this shouldn't be allowed here.

But I'm fine with having it remain. It shows the true character of those supporting it. That there is no low that won't be sunk to.

[bettyellen]

378. the OP has been deemed racist trash, and unwelcome by the community. We ban sexists, racists and

rat fuckers, and you defend them all why?

[rhett o rick]

381. You've made an important point. WillyT was "deemed" racist trash. He isn't a racist but they gang

has "deemed" him to be. I defend those that I think are unfairly bullied. It's a conservative mind-set that gang together and witch hunt.

I don't believe you are here in DU to discuss issues but to strongly "encourage" others think like you do. If they don't, alert, lock, hide, ban and grave-dance. You will have to find someone else to attempt to intimidate. Bye-bye

[yardwork]

387. What a laugh! Nobody but EarlG banned WillyT.

As a matter of fact, his OP wasn't even hidden, and you and more than 70 other people recced his thread. No mob defeated WillyT. He was popular and protected here until the site owners gave him the boot. Not us.

[Blue_Tires]

390. +1

[bettyellen]

388. All we know of Wily were his frequent AA bashing posts. They were frequent and ugly enough for the

label to apply. You seem to confuse us with Libertarians and argue against having community standards. Why host- and agree to enforce CS if you hate the idea of having standards (except for "disruptive meta)?

[Bobbie Jo]

405. What a load.

All of it.

[one_voice]

38. When the right wing makes comments..

about PoC being 'slaves' on the Democratic Plantation, or Democrats incapacitate blacks by giving them free things — welfare, food stamps and the like--and so on, you know the comments. We get pissed, and rightly so.

An entire group of people is insulted as if they're unable to think and do for themselves. Like they're completely dependent and beholden on the Democratic Party--that is why they vote for us rather than them.

It should draw our ire. We should be angry. An entire voting block insulted and demeaned. That's not okay.

Stockholm Syndrome? Cult personality? Yes, it's in the same vein.

So, no, you're not alone. But instead of being angry at these words, you along with others are celebrating them. As if there's some victory in using the same language that we once found offensive.

[PeaceNikki]

40. Yup.

[hrmjustin]

43. .

[NCTraveler]

44. The exact same vein. Zero difference.

[Starry Messenger]

60. This.

[Chitown Kev]

104. Yep. Pretty much. Mmmmmm-hmmmmmm

[geek tragedy]

121. [phone] nt

[In_The_Wind]

167. .

[Lisa D]

192. Nailed it.

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:02 PM - Edit history (2)

And 76 people have actually recced this vile OP? Well, that's...revealing.

[yardwork]

228. That's it.

[DURHAM D]

338. Well done.

[Digital Puppy]

346. Exactly! Thanks for this!

But instead of being angry at these words, you along with others are celebrating them. As if there's some victory in using the same language that we once found offensive.

......and most of us STILL find offensive...and RACIST!

[cyberswede]

42. ...'cause this went so well the last time. Unrec.

[UtahLib]

47. You have certainly outdone yourself

and it is nothing of which to be proud. I know Admin will see this because I sent the second alert.and was notified that they now see every alert. I can only hope they will recognise your transparent motives for posting this disturbingly insulting OP.

[hrmjustin]

49. You should be ashamed. You post blatantly racist shit to bait people so they can get hides

and you get to act like the martyr to you friends. Well I can see right through you and your racist op.

Hang your head in shame!

[PeaceNikki]

50. Clearly he's had a shamectomy.

[hrmjustin]

51. Yes! And the fact that a jury allowed this says alot about DU these days.

[Surya Gayatri]

85. Hey, hrmjustin, just so you know...I was N°6.

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Personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:01 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[hrmjustin]

86. Thank you. As I said this was done to bait people into hides.

[Surya Gayatri]

99. Shameless, blatant race baiting allowed by a "jury of his peers".

Speaks volumes about his "peers".

Distasteful, disgusting, and detestable.

[hrmjustin]

102. I hope Skinner sees and acts accordingly.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

301. I wish I could say this is a new thing, blatant racism on this board, but it isnt.

[BainsBane]

53. Speaking of Stockholm Syndrome

Would that apply to people who continue to support Bernie even after it's disclosed he has had a Super Pac for well over a year?
http://time.com/4261350/bernie-sanders-super-pac-alaska-millenials/

[zappaman]

73. Is this what you talk about at your favorite pub?

Ye Olde Tarred And Feathered?

[Lazy Daisy]

77. Oh holy hell

Stop, just please stop. I admit I did not read the entire article, but damn. After the first paragraph I just couldn't.
There are all kinds of reasons the majority of the AA community is supporting Hillary, but Stockholm Syndrome ain't one of them.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

79. Hey WillyT

Didn't you get your ass figuratively kicked hard enough last time you tried this "POC are the victims of Stockholm Syndrome" bullshit?

[desmiller]

81. Willie, I have two videos that'll, at least partially, back this up. One I'd posted the other day.

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[Chitown Kev]

91. Goodness, she went to number one with a bullet

on the "nice white progressive charts" of approved negroes

Michelle Alexander must be sorely disappointed that she was dethroned.

[bravenak]

96. haaaaaaa!!

Man I love you to DEATH!!! Cornel might be peeved too.

[bravenak]

89. Yaas

[JDPriestly]

87. K&R.

[geek tragedy]

92. good lord. Shameful. nt

[Number23]

97. The rec list reads like a Who's Who of the not even 60 folks banned from the AA forum

But yeah, WE'RE the problem here.

[bravenak]

100. I have not looked yet but I can guess the names without looking

[hrmjustin]

101. I noticed that. There are a few recs there that are very disappointing.

The others don't suprise me one bit.

[geek tragedy]

123. notice that not one recommender is participating.

It's almost like they're hanging back waiting for alerts.

[UtahLib]

126. Exactly. nt

[geek tragedy]

103. this post is a giant FU to the entire African-American community here.

They will all be leaving soon enough.

[Number23]

105. It damn sure is, and it doesn't even pretend to be anything else.

They will all be leaving soon enough.

Won't be soon enough for alot of us here.

[geek tragedy]

106. They can all go make America great somewhere else.

[Number23]

107. I see what you did there

And I agree 100%.

[Tarheel_Dem]

132. You survived the jury.

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Accusing fellow DUers of being Trump fans because they recommended a thread is a very ugly and divisive attack and has no place here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:15 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Explanation: I don't like the tone of this post, but so much of this thread is nastiness and fits right in with the rest.
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Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: Considering the topic of the o.p., I don't find this response hide-worthy.

[geek tragedy]

133. thx. nt

[yardwork]

231. Looks like 6 jurors agreed with your observation about those who recced the OP.

I do too. Their hoods are slipping.

[Tarheel_Dem]

366. ^^^ TRUTH ^^^

[Jackie Wilson Said]

305. Alerter needs to be permanently banned, this is the only way to fix this.

[Tarheel_Dem]

367. I agree. The good news is that 6 jurors obviously looked at the post in context for a change.

Skinner may have actually made a difference with his recent announcement.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

292. LOL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

292. LOL (REDUX)

[yardwork]

153. It's beyond disgusting at this point.

I'll call it like I see it, and this white person sees clear racism - actually, white supremacy - operating openly on this website.

[Lisa D]

195. +1000

[joshcryer]

110. This is the craziest OP I've seen.

Look at the hides and posts that are being left. I'm gobsmacked. Something is fishy as hell here.

[geek tragedy]

111. It's not very surprising to me.

Nor is it to the AA community here.

[joshcryer]

112. I'm not surprised that the OP is digging up the "stockholm thing."

It seems to be allowed every time.

But that one post he wrote was allowed to stand was horrific.

[geek tragedy]

114. They have been rigging jury pools for months.

They turned it into a science.

[UglyGreed]

323. You claimed to be

"one" of "them" for months....

[geek tragedy]

413. yes, and threads like this convinced me that I had no desire to be included in that crowd. nt

[geek tragedy]

108. Racists are really shitty people and should be banned. nt

[bravenak]

117. Yes

[SidDithers]

194. +1...nt

Sid

[sufrommich]

199. Yep. Skinner needs to do some spring cleaning.nt

[Spazito]

281. +1000 n/t

[rhett o rick]

341. And you get to point them out. How convenient.

[PeaceNikki]

345. You can, too. There were several BS supporters who told him he was wrong.

There were many who told him it was racist. You could have been among them.

You should join others here, regardless of which candidate they support, in stopping "at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist" shit. Or, at minimum, you could have advised your pal to STFU for the sake of not losing his posting privileges.

But nah, pretend there's a purge, act like he's a fucking martyr. Blame others for the stupid fucking shit HE posted.

[Number23]

394. This thread and the AA forum are FULL of Sanders supporters calling out this OP and the "thinking"

behind it.

The handful of Sanders supporters that both rec'd this filth and/or are pretending that WillyT was banned for his support for Sanders are full of 10 types of glorious crap.

[PeaceNikki]

401. Some like martyrdom. I read a post here where Rhett said Willy was burned at the stake.

[Cassiopeia]

113. Needful Things

by Stephen King.

It's the playbook of the Clinton's. Promise the world and all the peace we want while only delivering soul raping debt.

[yardwork]

232. Yeah, a lot of us have recognized that as Bernie's playbook.

Vague promises don't cut it with me, and I don't appreciate the racism of some of Bernie's followers, as exemplified by this OP and those who recommended it.

[geek tragedy]

118. Notice how none of the recommenders are in the diary

commenting to defend it. I know why.

[joshcryer]

124. Yeah, once you comment you can't vote on the jury.

But golly that view count keeps going up once or twice a second like clockwork.

[geek tragedy]

125. The list of recommenders is good for jury blacklist material

we'll see how many survive this though

[obamanut2012]

333. I noticed that, too

[fun n serious]

119. You mad brah? nt

[MisterP]

122. y'know, nobody repeatedly hit the roof like DU keeps doing now back when DUers

said the Human Rights Campaign was backing the worse candidate for LGBTs

what sets off the Internet Drama tripwire? it's a mystery

[JimDandy]

130. I can only see 21 of the 129 replies to this thread. Unfortunately, I can see this thread. Trash.

[desmiller]

131. I'm a black man and I approve this post.

I believe that we black folk have been victimized by racism of all types for so long that we end up "settling" in being victims, instead of finding a way to rise above it - which is hard, but better than settling. This is where the Clintons come in. All they have to do is involve themselves to what everyday black folk enjoys, and once he/she fall for their -the Clintons- pace, they got you. That fucking prick, Phil Bryant, did the exact same thing by visiting a black church some years ago, and went to BB kings funeral years later. Knowing that BB King had diabetes, he still refuse to expand Medicaid. After they get what they wanted out of us, they'll fuck us up cold, and we won't even know it, until it's too late.

[obamanut2012]

334. lolz

[geek tragedy]

134. All Clinton supporters: please Tweet and share this post on FB

I'm sure DU's Bernie supporters are proud as can be of this. Dozens are recommending it.

[renate]

135. this seems pretty rude

Stockholm syndrome? Battered wives? A cult?

I think anybody who doesn't prefer Bernie just doesn't know enough about him, but that's all.

[DemocraticWing]

137. This is wrong.

I like you but the "Stockholm Syndrome" stuff is really offensive and upsetting.

[yardwork]

235. Why do you like Willy? He does this every week.

[redstateblues]

250. The OP author is an attention junkie

Doesn't matter if it positive or negative. Surely he doesn't believe that crap and still claims to be a Democrat

[awoke_in_2003]

406. I didn't realize this

but then, I have GD Primary, and the Bernie and Hillary groups trashed, and generally don't click on any posts that slip through that whose titles appear to be primary topics.

[Spacedog1973]

139. Racism

Crosses both parties. The common denominator is privilege and arrogance. This post is a major sign of it in action.

[sufrommich]

144. This is pure trolling and it's despicable. You seem to enjoy

taking swipes at DUs black members. Sickening.

[msanthrope]

145. Waiting in the tall grass for you. nt

[Sancho]

146. Are you using "key words"?

I find it depressing to see so many “regular people” chaining themselves so emotionally and naively to the Hillary personality cult, and feeling so uplifted by this delusion. Perhaps the single biggest weakness of Bernie Sanders campaign is that it relies on there being a sufficient majority of healthy independent minds capable of critical thinking. I sure hope there are.

Are "regular people" another name for "Archie Bunker/white/priviledged" people?

Are "healthy independent minds capable of critical thinking" a reference to "white/majority/male" people?

Are the immigrants, women, minority too "emotional" and not capable of "critical thinking".

This seems like a racist rationalization to me - both in the original article and in the OP narrative.
There are also people who hide racism and use convoluted logic to put others down, ignore the real values of others, and assume that their own self-centered thinking must be "right".

[betsuni]

148. Let's go on with the show.

There's no business like troll business, like no business I know
Everything about it is appalling, everything site traffic will allow
Nowhere could you get that happy feeling, when you're alerting bravenak right now

There's no people like troll people, they post when they are low
Even with an OP that you know will sink, it may be shot down with just one link
Still you wouldn't change it for those sweet sweet clicks, let's go on with the show

[yardwork]

149. This makes me ashamed to be part of DU.

Skinner, this is a travesty.

[msanthrope]

151. I blame the Bernie supporters who haven't kicked this piece of trash to

the curb.

They own him. He is their standard bearer. And you have a helpful list of those who support this shit OP.

[yardwork]

158. 55 recs and it's still early.

There were hundreds of recs for the earlier OPs from this poster as well as some others.

Blatant, open, grinning white supremacy.

[msanthrope]

159. Spectators at a cross burning...contemptible. nt

[yardwork]

171. That is exactly what it looks like to me.

About once a week, the story goes, a poster called WillyT on DU wanders down to his local pub, where he has deep conversations with the locals about how Bernie will save all the white people. Then WillyT wanders home and posts another OP on DU. The purpose of these OPs is known only to himself, but no matter what WillyT himself thinks (I'm using a little deconstructionist theory here, Bernie would be proud, down with the white male dominated literary theory of the mid-century.... Wait. Bernie might not like that after all, but I digress....) it's clear to his readers that WillyT derives no small satisfaction from the thought that his posts might hurt, upset, or depress any black people who might still be reading on DU. This week Willy had some revenge in mind as well - posters who had been silenced by himself and his buddies were now back on DU, allowed to say anything they wanted. Uppity talk. That needed to be shut down.

The post is revealed! As always, ithere are citations from Willy's library of sources.... The crowd, restlessly waiting in the predawn hours of Friday morning, quickly and enthusiastically responds. Rec, rec, rec. Willy's telling it like it is again! Willy will put "those people" in their places. How dare they vote for Hillary when they've been told to vote for Bernie?! And lots of other things are muttered....

tl;dr

Grab the white sheets! We ride at midnight.

[msanthrope]

174. Enabled by admin and hosts at its point. I am disappointed in both.

Disgusting.

This is a defining moment for DU.

[yardwork]

178. I agree. If this is allowed to stand, then Skinner approves white supremacy.

No more hiding. Hoods off.

[msanthrope]

179. For the first time in 15 years, I doubt his judgment. This is beyond the pale. nt

[betsuni]

180. +1

[randome]

187. And another +1.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[Starry Messenger]

219. Well put. +1

[joshcryer]

160. I'm on the record.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027398549

[msanthrope]

164. I know. Join me in asking admin to ban this racist fucking piece of shit. nt

[joshcryer]

166. I wouldn't put it in those words.

But that goes without saying.

(Good luck.)

[msanthrope]

169. I'm kinda done with GD:P being a racist shit hole enabled by admin and hosts. Spring cleaning. nt

[yardwork]

177. Sweetie, we know. You and one or two others.

Every other Bernie supporter on this board either ignores this or recs it up.

And Bernie's campaign wonders why he's failing to attract support from people of color.

[WIProgressive88]

410. A little late (not much time for DU lately), but I'll add my name to the list of Bernie supporters

condemning this OP. Glad that Willy has been banned.

[NurseJackie]

327. Something for you ...

[NurseJackie]

325. RE: "Standard Bearer" ...

... sadly, there are others waiting in the wings to fill the void. I won't name names, but they're there.

Be patient and have faith ... this will soon be coming to an end.

[Number23]

395. + a freaking billion

[msanthrope]

414. Back. nt

[randome]

155. Clearly you think getting banned from this site is a badge of honor because you keep trying so hard.

All this really shows is your paucity of intelligence. You contribute nothing to the discussion with posts like these. And you're not even smart enough to be embarrassed by it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[msanthrope]

161. Let's not forget the recs, either. nt

[randome]

165. Or the congratulatory posts.

"Hey, we pissed off a bunch of people! It's gonna be a good day!"

Losers all.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[msanthrope]

176. Enabled by admin and hosts. Shameful. nt

[peacebird]

162. Thanks Willy T

The responses here helped me flesh out my ignore list!

[bravenak]

234. I noticed

[DinahMoeHum]

173. The "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" attitude. . .

. . .is strong in that article and that author.

[Adrahil]

175. This post is a damned disgrace. How is it allowed to remain? NT

[Vattel]

181. Where is the evidence?

This is as bad as the theories on the other side that assume without evidence that blacks are voting for Hillary because they perceive that Sanders is too concerned with economic justice as opposed to social justice, or because Sanders is clueless about race.

You have your pet theory, Hillary supporters have their pet theories. But without evidence, it's all just bullshit speculation.

[SidDithers]

183. Un-fucking-believable...

If there was any shred of doubt before, Willy, you've erased it.

Sid

[yardwork]

191. Nor is there any doubt about the 59 recs. And climbing.

Turns out I've been participating in a damn Ku Klux Klavern all these years.

[Gothmog]

186. I strongly disagree with the premise of this OP and the disgusting article cited in OP

Sanders has lost the African American vote for a number of reasons that do not include the rather sad claim made in the disgusting counterpunch article cited in the OP

[GoneFishin]

190. I don't know if it is Stockholm syndrome. But something must account for voters who support her

despite the fact that she will not do shit for them if it cost her billionaire friends even $1. Sure, if it's free and not too inconvenient then she might put down her champagne glass long enough to occasionally make some supportive sounding but vague and vacuous statement. But money is only for the rich. The little people get all the lip service they can stomach.

"If the Democratic Party ... can beat back the ... Sanders insurgency ... then President Trump will be inaugurated in January 2017. ... A President Trump is no threat to their ambitions, but a nominee Sanders ... would mean that a ... the Obama-Clinton ... gravy-train derailed."

That's it in a nutshell. They would rather have Trump than Bernie. And they might get their way.

[leftofcool]

193. More racist horseshit. Figures.

[Starry Messenger]

200. Not the only bigot?

That's no surprise to anyone with sense.

[PeaceNikki]

202. For those who aren't aware, this OP is a direct response to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511519949

In which an AA member poured out her great and desperately asked for some empathy.

Well done, Willy.

[SidDithers]

207. And is a doubling down on this thread from October...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

Which the OP left for 3 1/2 months, before deciding to self-delete.

Sid

[JoePhilly]

203. Wow, that's some serious dumb right there.

[Bobbie Jo]

204. Unbelievable

ENOUGH.

[cannabis_flower]

205. Ah this is the infamous Stockholm Syndrome post

everyone is talking about. I'd been wondering what Bravenak and others were talking about. Some people have awfully thin skins.

[randome]

218. #2 in a series of educational posts so that the general public may be enlightened.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[cannabis_flower]

222. Where is #1?

[leftofcool]

225. He self deleted it after 4 months and 500 recs

[randome]

226. Here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

After a few months of being raked over the coals for it, he self-deleted. And now he thinks he's being clever by digging up an article to 'prove' he is the expert on racial matters.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[PeaceNikki]

227. It was right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251687330

You obviously can't read the OP anymore, but the comments should indicate how horrendous it was. Note the number of Sanders supporters who were even there telling him so. Kudos to them then and now.

Correction: the original text is quoted in #349: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=704892

[randome]

229. Fortunately the original text was saved for posterity in the responses.

So we can know what the slimeball originally said.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[betsuni]

245. I'd forgotten how incredibly stupid it was.

"Could the African American Community And The LGBTQ Folk Clue Me In?
Why in the hell would you vote/support a candidate who supported her husband who went after Queen Latifa, and fucked the program formerly known as 'Welfare'.
And ...
Promoted DOMA, and Don't Ask Don't Tell.
Did EVERYONE have a mass evolution ???
Is it political expediency ...
Is it Stockholm Syndrome ???

Bernie always has your back.
HRC ... not so much."

[randome]

246. He may have answered his own question.

Maybe now he'll have a better understanding of why some of us won't support his candidate. It's because of supporters like him.

Congratulations, WillyT! You have screwed over Sanders even more with your posts! Mission accomplished!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[yardwork]

248. That may be the mission.

Elsewhere on DU he posted "It's Bernie or Trump."

[LanternWaste]

230. As long as the skin is most of it between 2–3 mm thick, there's no problem.

"Some people have awfully thin skins..."

As long as the skin is most of it between 2–3 mm thick, there's no problem. The problem comes in tolerance of racism and rationalizing it as something more righteous than it is.

So... rationalize.

[Digital Puppy]

351. Excuse me?? I'm sure I'm not understanding your comment...

It seems like you are saying Black folks shouldn't be pointing out racist BS here...or maybe we shouldn't be offended by dumb-ass racism...??

[sufrommich]

206. Over 60 recs for this vile,racist OP.

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[Bobbie Jo]

241. I wish I could say I'm surprised

I'm not...

At what point is enough, enough??

[Bobbie Jo]

265. 65 and counting

Thank you, EarlG, for finally dealing with this.

Rec'ers take note.

Racist garbage...

[Lisa D]

208. I prefer the words of Maya Angelou over those of the OP.

STILL I RISE

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may tread me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise......


You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.

--Maya Angelou

To read the entire poem: https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/still-i-rise

[awoke_in_2003]

407. That reminds me...

I have been wanting to expand myself and start getting into poetry. She seems like a great place to start.

[tazkcmo]

209. I have to be on record

I do not agree with the author of this article. The White Man's Burden is strong in the author.

[Spacedog1973]

344. Well done to you

But where are the rest of you? Are non racist Bernie supporters a minority? We know Bernie is tone deaf when it comes to diversity - its clear that this resonates with the majority of his supporters at least on DU and Reddit and his Rallies (if BLM upset the crowds) and his... etc etc.

Actually, you would have done better to deride the poster of the thread as well. (Just to be on record)

[awoke_in_2003]

408. I have avoided both groups...

trashed GD Primary, and avoid clicking on articles whose titles make me think it will be about the primaries. I am a Bernie supporter, and think this OP is racist horseshit.

[dubyadiprecession]

210. Bernie is doing a lousy job of making his case. He is his own worst enemy..

It's not that hillary is a perfect candidate, Bernie he has a problem verbalizing a winning message to bring more people into the democratic party. That in turn, would translate into his campaigne winning more popular votes and more delegates.

Then he would have no need to care about supper delegates.

[whatchamacallit]

347. Bernie is fine

and you're confused. Bernie ? to his online supporters, especially the relatively small number of agitators.

[MineralMan]

211. Unrec.

That an incorrect meme has been repeated by others does not make it correct.

[obamanut2012]

213. Did you not even read skinner's op the other day?

Why do you think you have a right to post something so offensive to black voters?

JFC.

AND SHAME TO EVERYONE OF YOU WHO RECCED THIS -- EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

[Mike Nelson]

214. What this appears to be saying...

... is "Black voters support Hillary because they are stupid." So, To Black voters: "If you want to be smart, vote for Bernie!". In itself, the thesis relies on Black voters being so stupid they will fall for this tactic... for that reason alone, it won't work. You don't insult thinking people and then ask for their votes. Stick to the issues - don't insult. Bernie was doing much better without this garbage. I don't think there's any going back... he's peaked.

[hrmjustin]

233. Thank God I am not the only one who finds this repugnant!

[leftofcool]

237. Click on the list of the recs and notice what you see.

Not a one of them is responding to this, just the recs. Afraid maybe?

[hrmjustin]

238. I wonder how many truly read this. there is one rec that really hurts. I thought the world of him.

[obamanut2012]

350. It's so they can be on juries for this thread

Notice the hides in this thread.

[randome]

236. It's Sanders supporters like you that make me root for him to go down in flames.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[JonLeibowitz]

239. Unrec. Please self delete.

[think]

244. Agree. /nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

240. Holy shit.

[hrmjustin]

247. And the recs. One of them is so heartbreaking.

[betsuni]

256. OMG I thought I clicked the thing to see recs but it was the actual rec

and I freaked out and almost had a heart attack. I have to rest now.

[greatauntoftriplets]

260. Yes.

The OP has been banned, though.

[hrmjustin]

266. His own fault.

Thanks.

[greatauntoftriplets]

268. You're welcome.

[awoke_in_2003]

409. I wonder if it is the same one...

I am disappointed about.

[LanternWaste]

243. Your post and its recommendations illustrate a profound tolerance of racism.

Your post and its recommendations illustrate a profound tolerance of racism, as do the consistent rationalizations of it being something else.

(And to the sub-literate: I am certainly not calling anyone a racist... simply pointing out a sentiment and its endorsements can be racist, regardless of how progressive its authors and fans may allege to be)

[yardwork]

249. I call them racists. It's long past time to stop pretending.

Tiptoeing around and using euphemisms only enables the racists.

Time to call it what it is. White supremacy, plain and simple.

[Bluenorthwest]

251. God the rerun and recycle crowd around here even reruns the foulest bombs of the past season

To the OP: You should not be on DU you are a repeat caster of bait. You are not the only one, there are others who do the same thing exclusively to LGBT while you target LGBT along with your leading focus on smearing African Americans. Like those who only post 'about' LGBT issues when they use those issues for their own straight agendas, your posts are often an aggressive form of exploitation and never are they advocacy for anyone but yourself.

Ironically, when Hillary praised Reagan on AIDS I thought instantly of you because you are the only DUer I have ever seen speak fondly of Dutch and Nancy, and I have given you a hard time about that because Ron and Nancy were racist and homophobic villains. You as a Hillary hater share with her the very quality I dislike most about her. You both dig Ron and Nancy and I see them as Mr and Mrs Death.

[yardwork]

253. +1,000,000

[Bluenorthwest]

284. I sort of thought my post would be hidden but I've been calling that ratfucker out for months and

my hope is that those who do the flip side of his show get the same treatment soon.

I want to say that in spite of spending a great deal of effort calling him out, many Hillary supporters have tried to hang his 'Stockholm' thread on me and other Bernie supporters. I point out my strenuous objections an the fact that he targeted LGBT as well as African Americans and that is never, ever acknowledged. I was not the only Bernie supporter being very critical of that OP. Several of us were. And I never got one word of support, much less thanks and I have been accused of being part of that shit several times and that's not cool and not even close to fair.

I think using him to define 'Bernie supporters' is basically the same sort of rhetorical wrong he engaged in. I think many, many persons did that. I object to them as I did to him.

[yardwork]

329. You are correct.

[George II]

252. Haven't we had enough of this "Stockholm syndrome" BS? It's a desperate attempt to trivialize....

....the fact that people haven't jumped on the Sanders bandwagon - there has to be some innate psychological/personality flaw that prevents them from supporting Sanders.

That is NOT true. I just wish this stuff would cease.

"Why do so many black Americans support Hillary Clinton? Stockholm Syndrome."

Elijah Cummings is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?
John Lewis is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

All the AA organizations that have endorsed and support Hillary Clinton are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

This has reached the point of being offensive and insulting.

[lib87]

254. So DU is Going to Allow this Racist Trash to Stay? *The Post & Poster*

Oh, okay.

[Rose Siding]

255. The poster is no longer with us

[PeaceNikki]

262. what????!!!???

[lib87]

269. DU Canceled that Trash?

Bye!

Great news from DU Admin!!!

[Spazito]

285. It feels like an early Christmas!

Thanks to EarlG!

His reason for banning:

Mar 18, 2016 Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives&quot . The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.
For more information see Terms of Service
EarlG
(Administrator)

[etherealtruth]

258. Thank you EarlG an the Admins of DU!

[BooScout]

259. Goodbyeeeeeeeee!

and a big thank you to EarlG!

[cyberswede]

261. Well, that's that.

MIR Team (EarlG) banned WillyT

Mail Message
Reason:
Doubled down on his infamous suggestion that black Democrats have Stockholm Syndrome, by posting an article which included the same suggestion (along with comments calling black Democrats "battered wives". The title of his OP was "Thank God I'm Not The Only One" and he bolded the Stockholm Syndrome comments to make sure everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. The first time he did this it was repeatedly explained to him by many members of this community that his comments were at best highly insensitive and at worst blatantly racist. Rather than learning from that experience he chose to double down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=109627&sub=trans

Real name:
DU Member for: 13 years, 2 months, 22 days
Posts: 72,631
Recommendations: 23,815
Star member: Yes

[yardwork]

270. What about the 67 posters who recced it?

[Codeine]

272. A veritable Who's Who of Douchebaggery. nt

[Number23]

396. Every last freaking one of them.

[obamanut2012]

331. There was more than that

Guess they are doing damage control.

But I agree -- all the reccers need to be looked at, too. This OP is so very, very racist it's breathtaking.

[betsuni]

263. I'm fucking dancing on this asshole's grave

[PeaceNikki]

264. Bye, Felicia!

[SidDithers]

267. Long time coming, and I'm glad to see you gone...

Thank you Admins.



Sid

[randome]

271. Jesus, there IS a Santa Claus and he delivers in March!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[betsuni]

283. ...

[George II]

312. Just to be clear, that's BENNIE Goodman, not H. A. Goodman, right?

[DCBob]

273. "The Trump and Sanders campaigns are two wings"

of the same overreacting, social media induced, hyperbole based, wrong headed, misinformed group of voters.

[DCBob]

276. Yep... scary.

[Starry Messenger]

275. Thank you EarlG.

I hope the people who recced this do some serious soul-searching.

[Lizzie Poppet]

278. You realize you just kicked this thread, right?

I'm just saying...

[randome]

282. No one's afraid to shine a light on our racist posters.

WillyT's last thread had 600 responses, many of them kicks to expose him for what he was.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[obamanut2012]

332. I'm glad she did -- i'm kicking it, too

The number of people who recced it is going down -- interesting what happens when you shine light into the darkness.

[Starry Messenger]

356. That's good.

The less people can deny what happens here.

[Lizzie Poppet]

357. True enough!

[kwassa]

279. Willy, you are not the only one, but you are one too many.

You are posting articles that are advocating a racist viewpoint.

Why do so many black Americans support Hillary Clinton? Stockholm Syndrome. They are faithful battered wives. They are yoked to Hillary by co-dependency:

This article says, and you quote it and bold it, and you have said it before. You are saying that black people have no minds of their own to decide for themselves.

That is a racist statement.

[stevenleser]

370. +10^10^100 and anyone promoting this OP should share his fate. nt

[ucrdem]

280. CounterPunch is toxic and this is a case in point.

Yes sometimes it has informative, sensible articles, but it also has outrageous RW crap dressed up as leftist critique. The late Alex Cockburn was a master of this technique which is still getting traction at the Nation, which sometimes makes me wonder about the Nation. Anyway the moral of the story is, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[stevil]

286. Destructive

Attention Seeking Behavior.

[Chitown Kev]

289. He's dead, Jim.

Good.

[SidDithers]

303. Hehe...

Sid

[senz]

389. Wow.

[EndElectoral]

316. Like society it is difficult on this board to have a discussion on race without craziness

[uponit7771]

318. Why is it this shit is still allowed here!?!?! This is so overtly fuckin racist, this is DU not FR!!

[gollygee]

320. It isn't. He got PPR'd for it. N/t

[uponit7771]

337. cool, feel better but this poster has a history of this crap

[workinclasszero]

321. Whoever rec'ed this racist garbage

should hang their head in shame!

[obamanut2012]

328. I wonder if WillyT likes seafood

[SidDithers]

403. He can say Hi to Luca Brasi...nt

Sid

[Hiraeth]

353. Am I the only one to find it odd that this thread is alive (especially this thread) and well?

Sill up and running even though Admin saw fit to ban this poster over this very OP by saying that he doubled down with posting it?

A certain irony to it all, I think.



bye, WillyT ,,,, from one imperfect human to another

[Voice for Peace]

359. Getting more reads because of the ban.

[Hiraeth]

360. Idk. Maybe in the larger scheme of things it is a good thing. I know DU is such a narrow slice of

the world at large. But, if somehow, somewhere this one thread opens discussion/conversation about the many ways racism pervades lives then maybe this is a *good* thing. We are supposed to talk about it, right? To come to some sort of understanding. How else can we meet in the middle if we don't start walking. Those on the opposite sides, please come meet those of us in the middle. We have flowers in the fields.


"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there." -Rumi

[MisterP]

363. if calling DU an arm of the Klan gets you excepted from the rules and rewarded,

then surviving a jury means you must be banned!

logical!

they can even say "Fuck you! I am so fucking done with this site!"

of course everyone knew the purge of 15-year veterans and star members and anyone who worked in meatspace instead of posting David Brock hit pieces was coming

at least we have a lifeboat filled with everyone who made DU what it was: let them have their little playpens, let them have 11 hides in 90 days be not only amnestied, but use that as proof they're being persecuted and targeted for purging: we've got a campaign to run

[Hiraeth]

364. I think something goes here about DU being a business and doing what is good for the business.

Damn if I know anymore

The owners have the big picture and know what direction they want their business going forward ...

[kath]

371. You might think about pointing out that your last line is a quote from one of those granted amnesty,

not your own words.

[brewens]

355. In this case, they refuse to take yes for an answer. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

358. Free at last! Thank God Almighty.

[JoePhilly]

369. My summary of recent events ...

WillyT went supernova.

[bobthedrummer]

385. K&R#71

[Karmadillo]

391. He's a witch! I mean a racist!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

392. SMH

[AzDar]

397. WillyT!

[uponit7771]

399. People who post sweeping negative things about whole ethnicitirs and races rock...

...in Trump land or the KKK

[AzDar]

400. People who support Joe Arpaio or Henry Kissinger passed that point a LONG time ago...

[Number23]

398. Hope it was all worth it, honey.

Thanks for shining a light on so much of the really blatant racism that goes on with the "left" and here, kicked and rec'd to the hills by a (thankfully shrinking) group of morons.

In the immortal words of Woody

[lumberjack_jeff]

402. Community standards: Great, so long as you get to pick and choose the membership of the community.

This wouldn't be the first time that someone fixed the problems of a jury system by picking the pool of those eligible and making their decisions irrelevant.

How many hidden posts in this thread? Quite a few now that they know that habitual violation of basic decorum aren't punished.