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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) WillyT Oct 2015 OP
I'm black and I do not support her for other reasons. Her Wall Street ties. JRLeft Oct 2015 #1
Same here tblue Oct 2015 #131
I say Willy T is typing what the propaganda says, and I am offended by this divisive title. Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #185
Respect - Your position has mine, Tblue. Hortensis Oct 2015 #223
Thank you. redwitch Nov 2015 #516
I suspect that if we polled senior citizens the support level would be similar but no one has Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #187
LGBT in the Twin Cities overwhelmingly support Bernie Kalidurga Oct 2015 #2
Queen Latifah? I don't think you have that right. Anyway...this reeks of condescension. Metric System Oct 2015 #3
Yeah he shitted on Sistah Soulja. JRLeft Oct 2015 #5
Well ... They all look alike. It's hard to tell them apart. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #11
Don't we all look alike? JRLeft Oct 2015 #14
Well. Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #35
Dude, I'm a white woman and I know the difference. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #53
What are you talking about? Perhaps, you might re-read the sub-thread. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #70
You accused someone of thinking all black people look alike. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #106
pakistanis and indians are the same race JI7 Oct 2015 #120
They still have different features. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #139
not in terms of whether they are pakistani or indian JI7 Oct 2015 #142
Think you missed the sarcasm. brush Dec 2015 #602
Look at what you said ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #160
Did he accuse you of that? JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #210
If this pathetically hilarious subthread doesn't illustrate how DESPERATELY DU needs minorities Number23 Oct 2015 #228
I didn't see where 1Strong did this to that poster JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #230
There would be no Dem party right now without the support of the groups that the OP is savaging Number23 Oct 2015 #233
Mixing up Queen Latifah with Sister Souljah DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #245
i could accept it if they would at least listen JI7 Oct 2015 #273
Amazing, ain't it? zappaman Nov 2015 #515
The fact is he STILL mixed them up.......... George II Oct 2015 #98
Ouch. blackspade Oct 2015 #150
But, really, only those trying to make some down-low racial point. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #161
Very true. blackspade Oct 2015 #235
Hehehe AngryAmish Oct 2015 #364
condescension Dem2 Oct 2015 #31
That's not the word I was thinking of; but, it'll do. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #37
I thought "racist bullshit"...but that's just me Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #109
Yeah ... a whole lot closer to what I was thinking; but, take care ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #162
Yep! It's racist bullshit. brush Oct 2015 #193
I believe you mean Sister Souljah DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #4
Then you would be complicit on electing the person not suited for the job Joey Joe Joe Oct 2015 #8
I couldn't disagree with you more and I would literally... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #25
While I don't agree with you, I am glad you got your Fawke Em Oct 2015 #59
Thank you. That was frustrating. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #60
I saw that you had wondered if you were hacked. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #63
Same thing happened to me Weds evening. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #153
... SidDithers Oct 2015 #80
I see what you did there~ nt sheshe2 Oct 2015 #127
Are you impuning my Mom's musical ear? Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #351
I Relied On Google... My Bad... WillyT Oct 2015 #15
Nothing shows a distrust in... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #43
LOL betsuni Oct 2015 #96
good one treestar Oct 2015 #171
Ok, laughing out loud at work.... Can't stop. yardwork Oct 2015 #388
Did the same massive corporation tell you how to misspell tishaLA Oct 2015 #143
A lot of people misspelled Sister Soulja(h)'s name too... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #178
Questioning if POC or LGBTQ.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #6
Also, remember in 1992 jfern Oct 2015 #7
Great Point... WillyT Oct 2015 #16
And remember back in 1758, when Ray Ray kicked that puppy? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #18
Win shenmue Oct 2015 #83
Really. I like you a lot but there are a lot of human beings who tried Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #101
I agree with your sentiment Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #138
This is all in the context of ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #159
Clinton got a twofer: executing a cognitively disabled person proved he was 'tough on crime' AND KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #556
I remember that well... Punkingal Nov 2015 #558
+1 treestar Oct 2015 #174
And speaking of digging up the past ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #202
I sure do reddread Oct 2015 #284
Yes, that is part of the problem of her having so much baggage to carry with her while campaigning. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #580
I'm not a HRC supporter; but, I'll give the question(s) a shot ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #9
maybe they appreciate the actual legislative support Hillary has actually provided bigtree Oct 2015 #10
Actually Bernie was arrested during a civil rights protest in the 60's. JRLeft Oct 2015 #12
that's fine for the 60's bigtree Oct 2015 #20
The point is he's always supported black people. JRLeft Oct 2015 #23
my point is to the post bigtree Oct 2015 #34
More ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #42
More. In another post... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #121
How about his support for the 1994 crime bill, and guns? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #40
He voted for the crime bill because of the Violence Against Women Act and ban on assault weapons: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74
Unless they were ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #119
So were thousands of others. okasha Oct 2015 #103
... and that entitles him to what?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #241
Dammit ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #24
he said 'black lives matter' bigtree Oct 2015 #38
But only after someone getting in his face about it ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #48
What's wrong with that? cui bono Oct 2015 #134
so you're prepared to tell me I shouldn't take my skin color into consideration when I vote? bigtree Oct 2015 #199
Well, would you vote for Ben Carson if you are AA? Clarence Thomas? cui bono Oct 2015 #248
can you read? bigtree Oct 2015 #255
Sanders was white splaining, yes PoC should take the color of THEIR skin into consideration when uponit7771 Oct 2015 #242
As I asked the other poster, would you vote for Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas? cui bono Oct 2015 #249
No, their policies and stances are removed from ... MY... skin. Sanders said ... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #260
Okay, if you look at it that way I totally agree. cui bono Oct 2015 #265
I think it is in reference to this interview: JTFrog Oct 2015 #443
Bernie marched and fought and got arrested for civil rights decades ago cui bono Oct 2015 #133
you can't support this baiting thread and then play dumb when defenses and responses are offered bigtree Oct 2015 #220
I'm not playing dumb. I'm sick of people trying to frame Bernie as weak on civil rights issues when cui bono Oct 2015 #250
try responding to something I've actually said. bigtree Oct 2015 #253
I did. cui bono Oct 2015 #264
Can you clue me into why you can't help yourself with these attacks on Hillary? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #13
Easy Peasy... Don't Want Her As Commander-In-Chief... WillyT Oct 2015 #19
Fine ... But why use Black folks and the LGBT community to spin your dislike. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #26
Because division is kinda their thing. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #39
No No No ... only Black people are allowed to be divisive. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #67
Didn't you once claim that 50% of Stormfront members supported Bernie? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #79
Hmm. There are a lot of people on here getting thrown PatrickforO Oct 2015 #90
I thought there was a resolute disavowal of "identity politics" tishaLA Oct 2015 #145
Identity politics always struck me for code that the folks who are being identified... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #182
It depends on who being identified and who is doing the identifying. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #512
Jury Results, Janey~ Cha Oct 2015 #172
Lol~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #365
They've certainly done a good job of dividing DU brush Oct 2015 #196
Not even close Andy823 Oct 2015 #269
Yep! Agreed. brush Oct 2015 #271
The majority of Bernie supporters are not like that Marrah_G Oct 2015 #406
Agreed! It is getting very old! n/t Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #107
Why not. Many others on DU do so, often. yardwork Oct 2015 #390
I can only address the posts I see and one at a time. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #394
It gets old, doesn't it? we can do it Oct 2015 #416
Yes. It does ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #418
Well i do and I proudly marched with her in the pride parade and I am thrilled hrmjustin Oct 2015 #27
"thrilled she is FINALLY for marriage equality" Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #71
I have spoken on this and I as a gay man trust her. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #73
The op directly questioned... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #154
Yep. Kind of outed himself. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #180
Yeah, it sure as hell took her long enough. kath Oct 2015 #211
Neither Hillary nor Bernie will roll back gay rights. yardwork Oct 2015 #391
It's not like I'm considering voting for a Republican. Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #395
Hey! You're on the second stage of grief! 'Denial' is 1, and you're on 'Anger.' wyldwolf Oct 2015 #17
Curious... Everybody Ignores The Original Question. - Try Giving It A Shot... If You Can... WillyT Oct 2015 #22
See Post #9. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #29
True... But Tha Was My Question... Evolution, Political Expediency, Weathervane... WillyT Oct 2015 #44
Concern trolling. okasha Oct 2015 #105
It's pathetic. I wish it would stop. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #114
And witless into the bargain. okasha Oct 2015 #118
Constant alarums and excursions, you'd think one would tire of it eventually. betsuni Oct 2015 #122
Really. okasha Oct 2015 #126
You should quote Aeschylus to our friend DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #32
Yep! Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #488
They're all bloody politicians even the Hope and Change one. nc4bo Oct 2015 #21
Stuff: Most people on welfare are not black, most black people are not on welfare. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #28
I have seen you address him several times and he never responds. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #55
I have seen you address him several times and he never responds. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #55
That's because I remember his posts and I'm onto his game and it's not about Bernie at all Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #72
The end result of a lot of his threads is he believes some folks have more agency than others. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #76
Thank you for the links. zappaman Oct 2015 #82
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #243
Bill isn't running. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #30
you support Elizabeth warren and her past is much worse JI7 Oct 2015 #33
Here's an idea: Lets hear from an African American! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #36
ask Queen Latifah herself. she seems just fine with Clinton JI7 Oct 2015 #41
oops! bigtree Oct 2015 #47
LOL OMG GusBob Oct 2015 #49
Bill Clinton on the Not Sister Souljah Show: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #57
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #237
why do most Straight White Men vote RepublIcan ? JI7 Oct 2015 #45
Straight white male Democrats don't vote Republican, sorry AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #444
WillyT this isn't helping anyone, please delete. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
Thanks for this Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #51
No problem, this isn't what Bernie would want us to do. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52
Thank you, bmus Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #113
You're more than welcome, Chitown Kev. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #116
+1 n/t tammywammy Oct 2015 #192
You already know this, but it bears repeating... Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #128
Aw... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #132
"As Bernie supporters I hope we're better than this." zappaman Oct 2015 #137
And you're here to do what? Insult those of us who are better? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #141
Lol! zappaman Oct 2015 #200
Nicely said, beam mcar Oct 2015 #176
Thanks, mcar. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #343
+1 geardaddy Oct 2015 #203
This OP is really opening up some eyes. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #226
I've come to expect this uponit7771 Oct 2015 #244
You are utterly incorrect....this is helping someone. msanthrope Oct 2015 #280
So true. yardwork Oct 2015 #459
You have it....nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #460
Thank you lovemydog Oct 2015 #341
You're welcome, lovemydog. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #342
LOL, no worries. lovemydog Oct 2015 #345
Just got done watching the game, thank dog for dvrs. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #346
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #50
My Only Concern With HRC Now Is If She Can Win In 2016 NonMetro Oct 2015 #54
Most Honest Response... WillyT Oct 2015 #62
Maybe this is why Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #58
<---Lesbian here Aerows Oct 2015 #61
WillyT demands minority groups give him answers ... now!!!! JoePhilly Oct 2015 #64
I wonder if the OP will even realize that the welfare reference is offensive. Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #77
I doubt the OP has the necessary ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #164
Congrats! zappaman Oct 2015 #65
Who the fuck is "you"? Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #66
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #246
I'm not supporting her ibegurpard Oct 2015 #68
Was Not Doing That... I Think/Hope... But I Was Wonder How The Hillary Hive Thrives... WillyT Oct 2015 #75
Bernie Sanders cant get elected so who cares what he supported 50 years ago? moobu2 Oct 2015 #69
A black man couldn't be elected as President in 2008 Aerows Oct 2015 #92
oh, just a member of CORE and SNCC (while HRC supported that KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #557
It's a "Black Thing", WillyT. You wouldn't understand. Anansi1171 Oct 2015 #78
No... Explain That... WillyT Oct 2015 #81
Au Contraire, Mon Ami. Anansi1171 Oct 2015 #86
I'd have to say her record beats his in that very important historical context. ancianita Oct 2015 #87
And I Remember Going To Protests Against The Welfare Refom Thing... WillyT Oct 2015 #89
you keep bringing up welfare and ignore that black people improved Financially during the Clinton JI7 Oct 2015 #99
I'm inserting this for other readers since you don't egange. Those of you straight folks who Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #286
His pro Wall Street policies was the downfall too. JRLeft Oct 2015 #100
Then you were living in a bubble. TM99 Oct 2015 #148
You're not the only one 840high Oct 2015 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #218
Why would LGBT folks support a candidate Aerows Oct 2015 #95
Those who believe *that* show themselves pathetically ignorant of history. tblue37 Oct 2015 #147
Not at all sure about that brush Oct 2015 #198
What's your opinion? nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #530
I love Bernie. But remember. Bernie wasn't president in that historical context. AND there's so much ancianita Oct 2015 #84
I am a huge Bernie supporter, but I don't think that this post is fair... WIProgressive88 Oct 2015 #85
Oh, and as for black voters, the Clinton administration included a number of tblue37 Oct 2015 #149
What an utterly tone deaf post. Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #91
Feel better? stevil Oct 2015 #93
you are one of the Popes Biggest Fans on this Site, even using him to attack Obama and other JI7 Oct 2015 #94
You are one of my favorite people! Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #108
thanks JI7 Oct 2015 #111
Never a road to low for you to take, is there Willy? nt Codeine Oct 2015 #97
You hit the trifecta - this is racist, sexist, and homophobic. Congratulations Willy! George II Oct 2015 #102
Ahem. Aerows Oct 2015 #110
Excuse me? George II Oct 2015 #124
Not a single word of their post told anyone how they should feel. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #270
Precisely - and not a single word to either try to explain where that came from. George II Oct 2015 #356
+1 JoePhilly Oct 2015 #166
Indeed. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #339
You're not helping. joshcryer Oct 2015 #104
And people actually recced this vile post. Lisa D Oct 2015 #112
WillyT laid it out Aerows Oct 2015 #117
A lot of people think that Democracy is the ability to own the latest iPhone. truedelphi Jan 2016 #652
Yeah, but look at WHO'S doing the rec'ing. Number23 Oct 2015 #229
I'm a gay woman who voted for Obama twice despite his views on gay marriage. cwydro Oct 2015 #115
Hey you. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #125
This particular OP sure is. cwydro Oct 2015 #175
A supporter who makes the candidate look bad is in fact a detractor. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #201
If Mr. THANG here was so effin' fierce with Google Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #130
Another reason some people like Sanders, but not his supporters. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #123
I agree, however Andy823 Oct 2015 #268
I wish this OP would be deleted Prism Oct 2015 #129
Forget about Queen "Latifa", what about Public Enemy??? zappaman Oct 2015 #135
lol Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #144
Hilarious tishaLA Oct 2015 #146
Ha! Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #194
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #238
That's funny as hell rbrnmw Oct 2015 #447
I'm more of a Bob Marley fan myself... zappaman Oct 2015 #448
Yep I loved when he left the Commodores rbrnmw Oct 2015 #450
The Commodores? zappaman Oct 2015 #453
I think you are thinking about this guy Marvin Gaye rbrnmw Oct 2015 #454
Oh, right... zappaman Oct 2015 #462
Mine is Purple Rain rbrnmw Oct 2015 #463
No, I think Purple Rain is by Rhianna... zappaman Oct 2015 #464
Oops you are right rbrnmw Oct 2015 #465
I am a big Etta James fan rbrnmw Oct 2015 #466
Me too, but I think that's Jay Zee! zappaman Oct 2015 #470
This is Jay Zee but I was wrong it wasn't Etta that was Snoop Dogg rbrnmw Oct 2015 #476
Snoopy Dog kicks ass! zappaman Nov 2015 #500
LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #613
Just delete this jfern Oct 2015 #136
Because it's America RandySF Oct 2015 #140
Why do you need a group of people MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #151
This post is racist and vile. You should delete it. leftofcool Oct 2015 #152
Morning bump. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #155
racist stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #156
Why would they? You don't seem to be interested in the answers already provided in this thread...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #157
Bill Clinton's wife has taken black and gay people hostage, infected them with Stockholm Syndrome? betsuni Oct 2015 #158
Yeap and remember we're all on welfare so the OPs welfare reference was aimed at us uponit7771 Oct 2015 #247
Yes, sounds exactly like a Republican. betsuni Oct 2015 #251
Since this is still stinking up DU, let us all look back at WillyT's former calls for kindness Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #163
Great response. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #167
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #170
Thank you. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #173
This, entirely mcar Oct 2015 #177
Excellent post. n/t JTFrog Oct 2015 #181
Thank you for finding that gollygee Oct 2015 #214
Whoa.. uponit7771 Oct 2015 #239
Hammer meet nail. Hekate Oct 2015 #278
This post and most every one lovemydog Oct 2015 #344
racist bullshit eom GusBob Oct 2015 #165
This is the most loathsome OP I've seen on DU... Spazito Oct 2015 #168
Reminding people of Hillary's racism is *itself* racist. Or something. Romulox Oct 2015 #169
I'm a gay Bernie supporter, this OP is bigoted trash about Bill Clinton's actions which the OP Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #183
Why am I not surprised. JTFrog Oct 2015 #179
Let me just say I don't think the OP is a bad guy, just misguided. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #184
That is gracious Rose Siding Oct 2015 #216
Keep up the good work! Walk away Oct 2015 #186
I bit my tongue but i am ready to take a fifth hide because i think this is important. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #188
Thank you for being willing to take one for the team on the this JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #206
I don't know why anyone is suprised. The ENTIRE INTERNET has had a a front row seat to this Number23 Oct 2015 #227
And remember for the next time someone says "I've never seen anything like that here." betsuni Oct 2015 #254
You've got some cool nerve. Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #189
Wow. You couldn't drive people to Camp Clinton any faster if you tried. n/t gollygee Oct 2015 #190
Here is a reminder kick for you... JTFrog Oct 2015 #191
Delete this racist bullshit. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #195
Condesending and divisive. What a crap OP. bettyellen Oct 2015 #197
Maybe he didn't give it enough thought./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #655
Delete this op BooScout Oct 2015 #204
Man, you've been clued. randome Oct 2015 #205
Is there a point to this OP other than pissing people off? NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #207
WillyT, with posts like this, you've answered your own question... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #208
Finger-wagging "you people" posts tend to get a poor reception (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #209
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #212
I don't get why straight white people would vote for Hillary Clinton. Zorra Oct 2015 #213
On DADT and DOMA AJH032 Oct 2015 #215
If you want to hear outright lies about Hillary Clinton and anyone... Walk away Oct 2015 #219
'cause if there's one thing that shows you're THE champion of LGBTs and people of African MisterP Oct 2015 #217
Why the Africa reference? JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #234
Where's your proof that LGBT people support Hillary? DemocraticWing Oct 2015 #221
No group owes any candidate their support LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #222
I like to pretend people who disagree with me have Stockholm Syndrome too.. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #224
The OP had little to do with Sanders. The OP had been posing these type of things JI7 Oct 2015 #225
No faster way to become a DU "darling" with a certain clique. And I'm sure it's just a coincidence Number23 Oct 2015 #231
Exactly Andy823 Oct 2015 #261
It has nothing to do about truth. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #296
WillyT, just because the propaganda seeking to divide the Democratic say that bs does not Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #232
Willy very good questions that could only be answered face to face . olddots Oct 2015 #236
I disagree that this racially condescending question is good, it's tone deaf at best and has been uponit7771 Oct 2015 #240
You've outdone youself, WillyT. MineralMan Oct 2015 #252
Yes Andy823 Oct 2015 #257
Don't look at me. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2015 #256
haha that sounds like her. m-lekktor Oct 2015 #258
Most African Americans and GLBT... MellowDem Oct 2015 #259
You got any sources to back up the claim that most AA's are conservative?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #262
Here... MellowDem Oct 2015 #279
Non - whites doses not mean black... Hispanics are a larger population than Black's in America uponit7771 Oct 2015 #285
And I never said it... MellowDem Oct 2015 #330
I don't see any proof of this in the article or poll that most blacks tend to lean conservative... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #332
It's not that "most blacks" do... MellowDem Oct 2015 #340
Exactly how do you define conservative? Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #272
+1 Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #277
Conservative relative to DU... MellowDem Oct 2015 #282
Defining any ideology is a bit subjective... MellowDem Oct 2015 #281
But you're defining Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #295
Most everyone does that... MellowDem Oct 2015 #328
"Only the nice white progressive vote the right way for the right reason..." Number23 Oct 2015 #292
Damn. You Just Went on a Full on Ignorant Angry White Male Racist Homophobic Rant lib87 Oct 2015 #263
Stockholm Syndrome lovemydog Oct 2015 #266
Seems the OP has totally abandoned Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #267
Obliviously on he sails ... nt betsuni Oct 2015 #275
I kicked it up JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #303
Why would people support the 1% and hope for social justice? It's a great question. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #274
That WOULD be a great question, had that been the question that was asked. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #297
Why would minority persons feel connection to majority members who oppress us just because those Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #301
Excuse me, but I'm not defending the OP, here. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #310
I have been supporting Bernie for this election, not Liz Warren whom I do not trust nor care for. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #320
Fine. And Elizabeth isn't running. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #397
I read it as the question asked. The establishment has been holding down advances in rhett o rick Oct 2015 #306
Truth be told, some in the "1%" were for gay rights and pushed for them Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #300
Nope... onpatrol98 Oct 2015 #276
I relaize that you weren't seriously suggesting that LGBTQ or AA voters suffer from Vattel Oct 2015 #283
For the third time I don't believe the seminal poster is a 'bad guy'. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #287
Latent paternalism or blatant paternalism? kwassa Oct 2015 #355
Dude...Shut.The.Cheney.Up. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #288
A truly puke-worthy OP. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2015 #289
In case you missed it... SidDithers Oct 2015 #290
and fucked the program formerly known as "Welfare". ...because that is how you see "those" Person 2713 Oct 2015 #291
Black folk are like other folk. They want jobs. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #293
Plenty have jobs, their parents had jobs and they have never needed to be on welfare Person 2713 Oct 2015 #294
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #298
Willy T, I must say that this is one of the most ignorant and hateful lovemydog Oct 2015 #299
Well said JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #302
Well said...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #322
We shouldn't judge the OP by his worst moment./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #304
If this were the only example Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #305
It's not the first time, so we will judge away. But thanks! bettyellen Oct 2015 #313
if it was just a one time thing you may have a point, but this has been going on for a long time JI7 Oct 2015 #315
why do poor whites vote republicon? maybe they have stockholm syndrome too noiretextatique Oct 2015 #307
I'm poor, white, 40+ and I dont even need one hand to count the number of times I have cstanleytech Oct 2015 #308
I agree! nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #309
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #311
people recced this POS? UGH. bettyellen Oct 2015 #312
daily kick uponit7771 Oct 2015 #314
kicking before I retire tonight. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #316
kicking again Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #326
Here's another Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #331
Being gay, I do support Bernie. Fearless Oct 2015 #317
Time for another Trip Down Memory Lane W/ Willy: Feb 2015 "we're called Reagan Democrats..." Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #318
Thank you. The horrible gift that keeps on giving, that refuses to not keep on giving. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #319
When he started his crusade months ago, I tried to remind him that he'd advocated for Republicans Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #323
I wonder why it's easy to be nice to Republicans but not to Democrats. betsuni Oct 2015 #335
without even clicking on the link you provided m-lekktor Oct 2015 #321
Mostly he was shouting at LGBT for daring to so much as ask about her past. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #324
kick. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #325
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #327
Oh, come on, lay off WillyT! He spends a lot of time in taverns, so he says. randome Oct 2015 #329
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #333
I am gay, and support Bernie markpkessinger Oct 2015 #334
Kick Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #336
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #337
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #338
let me give this a little push Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #347
Kicking this bullshit up. (sorry, no passive-aggressive emojis) nt betsuni Oct 2015 #348
To bump and preserve. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #349
... Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #350
Kicking this thread because it needs to be read again and again! leftofcool Oct 2015 #352
I got Stockholm Syndrome after a traumatic afternoon lost in Ikea...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #353
I'm Black, and couldn't care less about what Bill said about Sistah Souljah firebrand80 Oct 2015 #354
Let's kick for visibility! zappaman Oct 2015 #357
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #358
Kicking this garbage. zappaman Oct 2015 #359
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #360
Hey, you kicked it right after I did! zappaman Oct 2015 #361
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #362
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #363
this will stay at or near the top of the page Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #366
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #367
Good night, everyone. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #368
Good morning! zappaman Oct 2015 #371
Kick to expose racism and homopohobia...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #369
Hard, swift kick. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #370
this entire thread deserves a swift kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #372
Is this the type of 'hard, swift kick' everyone's talking about? randome Oct 2015 #373
whistle Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #374
Is that the same as a kick? zappaman Oct 2015 #375
well, I'm kicking up dog-whistles Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #376
Are you still kicking? zappaman Oct 2015 #377
and Bernie is the cure for SS, I guess...but you know what...well...Miss Ross said it best Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #378
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #379
This kick is 2 hours old. zappaman Oct 2015 #380
All this talk about Stockholm, now I have Smorgasbord Syndrome. betsuni Oct 2015 #381
...kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #382
Kick. Agschmid Oct 2015 #383
I see this thread is still going strong Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #384
Yup. zappaman Oct 2015 #385
IBTL? bravenak Oct 2015 #386
I hope not.....this is too delicious. Nt Sheepshank Oct 2015 #417
This thread is still around? zappaman Oct 2015 #387
Thanks for setting me "straight!" yardwork Oct 2015 #389
Be sure to pick up your complimentary "I'm the right KIND of non-heterosexual" t-shirt... randome Oct 2015 #393
Lol! The right kind.... Grateful. I'm grateful to be set straight. yardwork Oct 2015 #396
Also, another incorrect statement in your OP: yardwork Oct 2015 #392
Kick for the weekend! zappaman Oct 2015 #398
Ah geez... really? Bucky Oct 2015 #399
Stockholm Syndrome - Muse - Glastonbury 2004 Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #400
I don't think Willy will ever live this down./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #401
It's rediculous... Agschmid Oct 2015 #404
I Wouldn't Count On It... WillyT Oct 2015 #413
Yes, we count on you for broken record threads -- always the same thing over and over. betsuni Oct 2015 #414
I think there were and still are more important issues than a Sistah Soulja moment. kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #402
Posting Privileges Revoked-Kelliekat44...note the reasons for the PPR: Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #574
Kick. Agschmid Oct 2015 #403
It is possible to support your candidate without tearing down another democrat. Marrah_G Oct 2015 #405
Apparently not. zappaman Oct 2015 #407
discussion needs to be seen uponit7771 Oct 2015 #408
Remember, kids: evolution is BAD. betsuni Oct 2015 #409
I'm not kicking this. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #410
Yeah, I dunno about this portlander23 Oct 2015 #411
It's Saturday. zappaman Oct 2015 #412
Wow, it's Sunday already? zappaman Oct 2015 #415
this thread needs a swift kick. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #419
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #420
Kick so this can sit next to the OP's latest. yardwork Oct 2015 #421
Me too. Agschmid Oct 2015 #425
Kick . yardwork Oct 2015 #422
This message was self-deleted by its author BigDemVoter Oct 2015 #423
KICK Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #424
You'll get a hide for that, I'd edit it. Agschmid Oct 2015 #426
No...let "them" hide it. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #428
I got a hide for pointing out a post existed tonight... Agschmid Oct 2015 #429
Agree! zappaman Oct 2015 #436
It's a good thing I've followed Bernie's career for the last 26 years. RandySF Oct 2015 #427
When Obama was running his supporters were often very negative toward LGBT and we had no Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #433
Exactly. Lots of trolls. yardwork Oct 2015 #437
True. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #438
Indeed. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #525
IBTSD? bravenak Oct 2015 #430
final kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #431
BTW kick betsuni Oct 2015 #432
Kick RandySF Oct 2015 #434
A new week! zappaman Oct 2015 #435
Kick to expose racism and homopohobia...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #439
ick. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #440
The OP continues to post baiting OP's aimed at minority issues. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #441
I have a new signature line Sheepshank Oct 2015 #442
Hey!! bravenak Oct 2015 #451
A kick for all the sad souls with Stockholm Syndrome. zappaman Oct 2015 #445
Many of my neighbors apparently have Stockholm Syndrome and I had no clue! greatauntoftriplets Oct 2015 #446
You still have it incorrect. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #449
kick..... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #452
I just noticed that after the many revisions it is still incorrect. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #455
Kick because the moon is full. betsuni Oct 2015 #456
I keep looking in this thread in the hope that Wily T will engage the accusations against him. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2015 #457
kick. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #458
kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #461
it is in my best interest (at the present time) Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #467
and...time for bed Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #468
Kick because night cheese makes me gassy. betsuni Oct 2015 #469
Kick. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #471
needs an evening kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #472
kickety-kick-kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #473
last kick of the night (morning) Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #474
I get a kick... betsuni Oct 2015 #475
. WillyT Oct 2015 #480
time for a late morning kick Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #477
Have a great weekend! zappaman Oct 2015 #478
Kick. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #479
Thanks For Helping Me Break All The Rules... And The Records... WillyT Oct 2015 #481
Since you said records, here's a 45 with your name on it... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #498
LOL !!! - Kick... WillyT Oct 2015 #482
True colors n/t JTFrog Oct 2015 #487
Right? zappaman Oct 2015 #489
:evilgrin: WillyT Oct 2015 #483
Last Kick From Me... WillyT Oct 2015 #484
G'Night... WillyT Oct 2015 #485
A spider spinning his web for the unwary fly. The blood is the life ... . betsuni Oct 2015 #486
I didn't realize he was kicking his own thread ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #490
Spooky Halloween kick! zappaman Nov 2015 #491
I was at the tavern and they told me this thread is still being kicked. betsuni Nov 2015 #492
Stockholm Syndrome would be a great name for a tavern! zappaman Nov 2015 #493
kick...just 'cause Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #494
Kick to highlight racism and homopohobia on DU...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #495
Kick! zappaman Nov 2015 #496
All Saints' Day kick betsuni Nov 2015 #497
Why hasn't the seminal poster corrected the spelling of these two women's names DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #499
Not sure why. zappaman Nov 2015 #504
If somebody spells my name wrong after I corrected him or her I start to believe it's intentional. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #506
Well, they claimed to have used the "google" zappaman Nov 2015 #507
Hmmm DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #508
Well, I'm sure the poster has their reasons. zappaman Nov 2015 #509
They also don't look remotely alike unless... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #510
As I said up thread... zappaman Nov 2015 #511
I almost forgot to kick this. I think we can get it to a thousand!! And beyond!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #501
You still havent answered why you are so intent on NOT loving Bernie randys1 Nov 2015 #502
I will never tell! bravenak Nov 2015 #503
Ick! Hekate Nov 2015 #520
. JTFrog Nov 2015 #505
kick Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #513
So, are you satisfied with the answers? zappaman Nov 2015 #514
I'm neither AA nor gay, but if I were one or both, I would be offended by your condescension. Beacool Nov 2015 #517
Kick to save you the trouble of kicking it yourself. zappaman Nov 2015 #518
kick Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #519
Playoffs?! lovemydog Nov 2015 #521
Classic. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #534
Evening kick. JTFrog Nov 2015 #522
I join you! zappaman Nov 2015 #523
Ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #524
Gay here - and I just don't trust her. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #526
Oh look, this racist piece of shit is still out here. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #527
Kicked for massive proud eternal stupidity. betsuni Nov 2015 #528
Kick. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #529
Oh well...may as well kick it Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #531
Might as well, lovemydog Nov 2015 #538
Seems like you got some good answers. zappaman Nov 2015 #532
Indeed. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #533
Or maybe not... zappaman Nov 2015 #535
The fact that this thread exists is a stain on DU. Metric System Nov 2015 #536
WillyT had plenty of opportunities to delete it. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #544
Sister Souljah and Queen Latifah are still spelled incorrectly. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #537
May.As.Well. Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #539
May as well...what? zappaman Nov 2015 #540
Kick it, of course Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #541
Doh! zappaman Nov 2015 #542
Sister Souljah was a race-baiting POS Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #543
The OP is still open and still incredibly offensive to multiple groups of people. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #545
OnEdit: Sister Soulja, Not Queen Latifa. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #546
Still floored by this. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #547
let me kick this m-f'en thread R-A-T now Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #548
Me too!! bravenak Nov 2015 #550
Hola!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #549
Why does this misbegotten thread still exist? MineralMan Nov 2015 #551
Yet DU returns to business and this thread is back up, too. Yike. nt Hekate Dec 2015 #615
Kick...and I ain't lettin' this off the hook Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #552
Kick... SidDithers Nov 2015 #553
Man, that's some shit. Ain't it WillyT? Android3.14 Nov 2015 #554
Totally sincere "apology" now available here:... SidDithers Nov 2015 #555
I love a good doubling down! zappaman Nov 2015 #559
Especially when it also exposed another poster Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #560
Translation: "how can you people be so stupid as to not support MY candidate?" brooklynite Nov 2015 #561
Exactly! zappaman Nov 2015 #562
Time for another kick... SidDithers Nov 2015 #563
Morning kick in response to the latest bit of nonsense...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #564
Thanks For All The Kicks, Guys !!! - Record-Breaking !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #567
If anyone thought your many MLK threads were genuine... SidDithers Nov 2015 #568
Yup. zappaman Nov 2015 #569
Time for a new kick. leftofcool Nov 2015 #565
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Nov 2015 #566
And BTW, kick for cluelessness. betsuni Nov 2015 #570
Cluelessness... SidDithers Nov 2015 #576
I don't agree. zappaman Nov 2015 #577
Yes, you are right. It's deliberate. He knows what generates those sweet sweet clicks. betsuni Dec 2015 #584
Still up? I better go find another MLK article to disabuse folks of these notions. bravenak Nov 2015 #571
Moar "My best friend is (fill in the minority)!!!111!!! You ALWAYS haz their back! betsuni Nov 2015 #572
Cannot believe this is still up bravenak Nov 2015 #575
Right? zappaman Dec 2015 #579
That's because some people Skidmore Dec 2015 #608
Kicking for the Norman Rockwellness of it all. Skidmore Nov 2015 #573
Kick. zappaman Nov 2015 #578
I won't be turned away from Sanders because of idiotic posts by his supporters. randome Dec 2015 #581
Well, I think we'd see a lot of excitement like... zappaman Dec 2015 #582
In case you missed it... SidDithers Dec 2015 #583
Kicking in light of yet another MLK thread from the seminal poster...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #585
DUs resident MLK expert! zappaman Dec 2015 #586
Kicking this up a notch! leftofcool Dec 2015 #587
For your grandaughter! bravenak Dec 2015 #588
And my four great nieces! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #590
He really should delete this. bravenak Dec 2015 #593
He absolutely should. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #594
Sad. I strongly dislike everybody who recd this nightmare bravenak Dec 2015 #595
I can't imagine why anyone would if they had read it and understood the implications. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #596
They lack integrity. bravenak Dec 2015 #597
IMO, the repetition is pointless. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #599
Gawd, I know. bravenak Dec 2015 #600
I remember that, too. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #604
Very damn revealing. bravenak Dec 2015 #606
That is EXACTLY what it is... randys1 Dec 2015 #601
They know it too. bravenak Dec 2015 #603
True. zappaman Dec 2015 #607
Kick -- it's always something. betsuni Dec 2015 #589
Here's a suggestion... brooklynite Dec 2015 #591
Or maybe don't ask it in such a fucking insulting way. zappaman Dec 2015 #592
My own reason - as a gay man. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #598
There was no danger of DOMA being a constitutional amendment. That was a lie. merrily Dec 2015 #605
Well thank you much for those links! I wish that Lamda Legal in New Orleans, Lafayette, Amimnoch Dec 2015 #618
Yes, you are quoting the lie to me. There was no danger. If nothing else, read the wiki. merrily Dec 2015 #619
Thank you for having lived the history, & ty for not letting others rewrite that history Hekate Dec 2015 #616
That was an amazing 1st hand read of the trials the gay military people had to go through b4 DADT Sheepshank Dec 2015 #625
So the OP created yet another MLK thread....and linked to a far right fascist website.... Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #609
Oy. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2015 #611
Uggggh. n/t JTFrog Dec 2015 #612
Shocked. Shocked I am...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #614
I think this thread is giving me Stockholm Syndrome... Hekate Dec 2015 #617
Kick redux. betsuni Dec 2015 #610
It is racist to assume that the most important issue to African Americans is welfare Freddie Stubbs Dec 2015 #620
I haven't given this a swift kick Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #621
So this racist bullshit stays up, hunh? Digital Puppy Dec 2015 #622
Kick. JTFrog Dec 2015 #623
kick Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #624
She seems more in tune with their interests HassleCat Dec 2015 #626
A kick for the holidays! emulatorloo Dec 2015 #627
Kick NCTraveler Dec 2015 #628
Stopping by to check out the rec commend list. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #629
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2015 #630
kick Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #631
Think the op has been clued in? nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #633
Kickety. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #632
. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #634
Here NCTraveler Dec 2015 #635
wow NCTraveler Jan 2016 #636
Still needs a clue n/t Tanuki Jan 2016 #637
Still wonderin' huh? nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #638
This OP got 47 recs... that's just sad... so sad uponit7771 Jan 2016 #639
I like to see it as enlightening. Read all the related OPs since in light of this one. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #640
Thank you for saying it... SoapBox Jan 2016 #641
It's Weird SoapBox... For Those I ACTUALLY Hurt, I Am Sorry... And Tried to Explain Myself... WillyT Jan 2016 #642
The truth hurts sometimes. Amazing that they keep kicking the truth despite the pain it causes them Live and Learn Jan 2016 #643
Willy, as another Sanders supporter, I beg you... Ken Burch Jan 2016 #644
Please See Post #642... Two Posts Above... WillyT Jan 2016 #645
Lest we forget. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #646
Here is the latest breakdown LexVegas Jan 2016 #647
Kick. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #648
kick. n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #649
Based on many threads posted today, I think this one deserves a refresher nt Sheepshank Jan 2016 #650
This thread lives on in infamy. Metric System Jan 2016 #651
I'm gay and have never supported her. LoveIsNow Jan 2016 #653
Can we please spell Sister Soulja(h) and Queen Latifa(h) right. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #654
Kick. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #656
Kick Skidmore Jan 2016 #657
+1 Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #658
Bernie struggled with minorities in Iowa: Clinton won non-white caucus-goers 58% to 34% Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #659
Wow. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #660
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
1. I'm black and I do not support her for other reasons. Her Wall Street ties.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

She's a corporatists.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
131. Same here
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:16 AM
Oct 2015

I'm strongly for Bernie. I could explain my concerns about Hillary but, really, who wants to read that?

Fwiw, I will be glad when the primaries are over. This Family Feud is too much. Nobody likes being told they're wrong to support who they support. NOBODY.

Respect.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
185. I say Willy T is typing what the propaganda says, and I am offended by this divisive title.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

I am a retiree, not one of your labeled targets and I don't like Hillary because she is too corporate/banker friendly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
223. Respect - Your position has mine, Tblue.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:49 PM
Oct 2015

It's always nice to identify another nice, balanced Bernie supporter. He deserves all you guys he can attract.

redwitch

(14,933 posts)
516. Thank you.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

I feel the same.

Respect.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
187. I suspect that if we polled senior citizens the support level would be similar but no one has
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:02 AM
Oct 2015

reported it so far. I say the propaganda has captured our author

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. LGBT in the Twin Cities overwhelmingly support Bernie
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

it's like 10-1. Of course no one polls them. But, the gay people I know freely tell me this since they know I support Bernie.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
3. Queen Latifah? I don't think you have that right. Anyway...this reeks of condescension.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:47 PM
Oct 2015
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
5. Yeah he shitted on Sistah Soulja.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. Well ... They all look alike. It's hard to tell them apart. n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:53 PM
Oct 2015
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
14. Don't we all look alike?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. Well. Come on ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:10 PM
Oct 2015

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
53. Dude, I'm a white woman and I know the difference.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:27 PM
Oct 2015

Hell, I told my kids who Tupac and Snoop were.

Let's not think one's race is any better than one's gender.

We've both been shat upon, my black sisters the most.

Don't go there. It sucks.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
70. What are you talking about? Perhaps, you might re-read the sub-thread. n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:53 PM
Oct 2015

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
106. You accused someone of thinking all black people look alike.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

I can tell the difference between Pakistani's and Indians and I'm a white woman.

My point: us white folks aren't all racists. The OP admitted (s)he was wrong and changed the OP.

Chill.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
120. pakistanis and indians are the same race
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

your example doesn't follow as the first case was about specific people. indian and pakistani are groups separation over religion although india has a huge number of muslims still.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
139. They still have different features.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:56 AM
Oct 2015

Really.

It's that subtle.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
142. not in terms of whether they are pakistani or indian
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:08 AM
Oct 2015

india/pakistan(and bangladesh) is just very diverse. (overall though it's all one people culturally similar to jews and hispanics)

there will be people in parts of pakistan that resemble people in india more than others within their own country.

there can be some differences between bengali and punjabi . there are indians who are more ethnically east asian .

many indians think i'm from the south though i'm from an area closer to pakistan .

brush

(53,467 posts)
602. Think you missed the sarcasm.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:19 PM
Dec 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
160. Look at what you said ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:17 AM
Oct 2015
My point: us white folks aren't all racists.


versus

what I REALLY said.


JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
210. Did he accuse you of that?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:11 PM
Oct 2015

No - he didn't.


When one uses a visible black woman to make one's point - one should be on point.

That would be like me screwing up Jennifer Lawrence and Meryl Streep who have both made waves in the past week for their statements on Feminism, Equal Pay, etc. etc.

It was an HONEST mistake from the poster and we black women -

Well we are used to being confused.

This is America. It's our reality.

You don't have to like it.

You can accept it.

It doesn't impact you.

But when we (1Strong, myself, any other black person) points out the obvious -


Please don't chastise us.


For someone (the OP) who chose to wag his finger and speak to us like imbeciles - he kind of had it coming . . . having his 'innocent who me' mistake called out.

Right?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
228. If this pathetically hilarious subthread doesn't illustrate how DESPERATELY DU needs minorities
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

here then absolutely NOTHING WILL. ***NOTHING.***

In a thread where somebody is DEMANDING that black people "explain" their support for any damn issue or any damn body as if we owe him any damn thing, the fucking OP can't even be bothered to get the "focus" of their outrage right. But somehow... WE'RE the fucking problem here.

The Indian/Pakistani exchange will go down as easily one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen here. Serious props to J17 for her patience.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
230. I didn't see where 1Strong did this to that poster
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:56 PM
Oct 2015

I didn't see it.

And we owe these people nothing.

This acting like the Democratic Partyis doing us a favor by allowing us to vote for ANY of their candidates has got to stop.

It's nonsense!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
233. There would be no Dem party right now without the support of the groups that the OP is savaging
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:01 PM
Oct 2015

as being afflicted with Stockholm syndrome.

And there is little doubt that these folks know that, have known that for a while and it PISSES THEM OFF. Lots of people doing lots of wailing over the diminishing power of the straight white male. And it ain't all coming from Repubs.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
245. Mixing up Queen Latifah with Sister Souljah
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:37 PM
Oct 2015


SMH

JI7

(89,172 posts)
273. i could accept it if they would at least listen
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:38 AM
Oct 2015

but they get defensive and insist on their very wrong point.

one can't look pakistan as opposed to indian because those have nothing to do with race/ethnicity etc. it was a British creation based on politics/religion and resulted in people from both sides moving to the other based on religion/politics and not ethnicity. at one point maybe less than 10 years ago the leader of india was born in what is today pakistan and the leader of pakistan in what is today india.

and what that has to do with mixing up 2 very different black women i don't know either.



zappaman

(20,605 posts)
515. Amazing, ain't it?
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:09 PM
Nov 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
98. The fact is he STILL mixed them up..........
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:07 AM
Oct 2015

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
150. Ouch.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:22 AM
Oct 2015

But sadly true for a large number of people.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
161. But, really, only those trying to make some down-low racial point. n/t
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:19 AM
Oct 2015

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
235. Very true.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:23 PM
Oct 2015
 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
364. Hehehe
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:18 PM
Oct 2015

well done

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
31. condescension
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

That's the word I was trying to think of as I read the original post.

Thanks.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. That's not the word I was thinking of; but, it'll do. n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:11 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
109. I thought "racist bullshit"...but that's just me
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:45 AM
Oct 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
162. Yeah ... a whole lot closer to what I was thinking; but, take care ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:24 AM
Oct 2015

on DU, calling something someone said, racist, is a far greater sin than what was actually said.

brush

(53,467 posts)
193. Yep! It's racist bullshit.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:14 AM
Oct 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
4. I believe you mean Sister Souljah
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015
Why in the hell would you vote/support a candidate who supported her husband who went after Queen Latifa, and fucked the program formerly known as "Welfare".



I believe you mean Sister Souljah.


But I would be remiss in not extending my hand in friendship, giving you a big internet , and to say I am looking forward to working with you to elect Hillary Clinton as our 45th president once she secures the nomination.

 

Joey Joe Joe

(50 posts)
8. Then you would be complicit on electing the person not suited for the job
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
25. I couldn't disagree with you more and I would literally...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

I couldn't disagree with you more and I would literally rather not see another sunrise than to budge from my conviction.

That being said I wish to extend to you a hand of friendship, giving you the biggest of internet s, and to wish you success in all your future endeavors.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
59. While I don't agree with you, I am glad you got your
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:31 PM
Oct 2015

login issues worked out.

Glad to have you fully back.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
60. Thank you. That was frustrating.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

What an odd message I was getting:

"Your account has had too many failed attempts at logging in. Please contact the DU Administrators."

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
63. I saw that you had wondered if you were hacked.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:45 PM
Oct 2015

Please, change all your passwords on any account you access. Especially your financial accounts.

I know I'm overly cautious, but usually you get those messages when someone has tried to "social engineer" you (not hack - the media calls it all a "hack," but it's not. Social engineering is when someone tries to guess you password based on who you are - like Sarah Palin's yahoo account. Dude guessed her password.).

I know we don't see eye to eye on candidates, but, damn, you're a human. I don't want you to have any other issues.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
153. Same thing happened to me Weds evening.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:26 AM
Oct 2015

Was corrected mid-day Thursday.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
80. ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:07 PM
Oct 2015


Sid

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
127. I see what you did there~ nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:20 AM
Oct 2015
 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
351. Are you impuning my Mom's musical ear?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:49 AM
Oct 2015

She says I'm a GREAT singer, and that's all I need to know. She would never lie just to make me happy.

Well, on second thought, she's done that before, but on such an important issue as singing ability? Nah....

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
15. I Relied On Google... My Bad...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

And don't get me wrong...

I Like HRC... I Just don't want her as our standard bearer, or President.

Her time has passed.

This is the time for fundamental change.

And that means Bernie...



BTW...

It does not mean a thing how I vote...

I live in NorCal... and ANY Dem will win here,

I make sure I vote down-ticket... but other states hold the keys.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. Nothing shows a distrust in...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:17 PM
Oct 2015

Massive corporations like "I relied on Google."

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
96. LOL
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015

treestar

(82,383 posts)
171. good one
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:17 AM
Oct 2015

The oligarchs are responsible for this!

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
388. Ok, laughing out loud at work.... Can't stop.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:13 AM
Oct 2015

This thread is comedy gold.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
143. Did the same massive corporation tell you how to misspell
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:20 AM
Oct 2015

Latifah's name?

Because, you know, it's not "Becky"

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
178. A lot of people misspelled Sister Soulja(h)'s name too...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:48 AM
Oct 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. Questioning if POC or LGBTQ....
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:51 PM
Oct 2015

Are suffering from Stockholm if they support Hillary speaks volumes.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
7. Also, remember in 1992
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:51 PM
Oct 2015

when Bill made sure to oversee the execution of a mentally retarded black guy, Ricky Ray Rector, and made sure to strongly criticize Sister Souljah?

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
16. Great Point...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:56 PM
Oct 2015

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
18. And remember back in 1758, when Ray Ray kicked that puppy? n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:56 PM
Oct 2015

shenmue

(38,501 posts)
83. Win
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:14 PM
Oct 2015

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
101. Really. I like you a lot but there are a lot of human beings who tried
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:16 AM
Oct 2015

to keep that man alive. Clinton was wrong wrong wrong. So many ways wrong. Clinton wasn't kicking a puppy. He killed a human being. A human being without the capacity from knowing right from wrong. A human being without the capacity from knowing right from wrong. A human being without the capacity from knowing right from wrong.

Clinton proved his mad chops for killing. Thank goodness he didn't kick a puppy. He just, you know, killed a human being.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
138. I agree with your sentiment
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:55 AM
Oct 2015

I couldn't believe Clinton would do such a thing. It was pretty callous.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
159. This is all in the context of ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:14 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

"Why do African-Americans should support HRC over Bernie" and citing the crap HRC's husband did 25 years ago.

That is a Bullsh!t argument ... just as fallacious as recalling that Ray Ray kicked that puppy in 1758.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
556. Clinton got a twofer: executing a cognitively disabled person proved he was 'tough on crime' AND
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:04 PM
Nov 2015

took everybody's mind off Jennifer Flowers. So he left a lifelong bad taste in my mouth by his action. Just like Hillary's vote to kill 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis - the wishes and feelings of us common people mean nothing to the likes of them.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
558. I remember that well...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:49 AM
Nov 2015

Ricky didn't even understand he was being executed...he put his dessert from dinner aside to eat later, as he did every night. I felt sooooo sad when I read that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
174. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015


Now we see how far back the grudge holding is supposed to go. 8 years was too soon for stevenleser to forgive, now we see it goes back 23 years or more.

Oh wait, I forget. We are supposed to be still mad at Hillary for being a teen Goldwater Girl. Nah, it goes back to Hillary's birth.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
202. And speaking of digging up the past ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

Remember all the "OMG, why are you going back and digging that up" over a certain absent writer, infamous for that "POS Used Car salesman" statement? The same people going back to BILL CLINTON'S record were aghast that someone would quote the "POS Used Car salesman" former-poster, and rec'd the 8 year old "Steve said HRC was a liar" post.

No hypocrisy there.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
580. Yes, that is part of the problem of her having so much baggage to carry with her while campaigning.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:53 PM
Dec 2015

We don't forget.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. I'm not a HRC supporter; but, I'll give the question(s) a shot ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

Because she is not her 25 year ago husband.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
10. maybe they appreciate the actual legislative support Hillary has actually provided
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:52 PM
Oct 2015

...I notice you're relying on criticizing choices her husband made in office.

I don't regard Sanders as an especially overt supporter of the black community. I do, however recall Hillary's support of the black community in her state of New York and her husband's support of the black community in Arkansas.

Nothing comparable in Vermont.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
12. Actually Bernie was arrested during a civil rights protest in the 60's.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:54 PM
Oct 2015

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
20. that's fine for the 60's
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

...but good luck translating that history into support from the community today.

I'd think that support for the civil rights era protests would be a prerequisite for anyone asking for support from the black community. It would be more remarkable if he hadn't made the effort.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
23. The point is he's always supported black people.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
34. my point is to the post
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:08 PM
Oct 2015

...which implies that the black community should reject Hillary over bernie.

Again, maybe they appreciate the legislative support she's actually offered in her public positions over Bernie's scant experience representing black communities of voters.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. More ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

implies that the black community should reject Hillary over Bernie ... because of stuff her husband did, while as you note, ignoring what she has done

It doesn't much shittier than that..

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
121. More. In another post...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

They said we are electing a family. As far as I know, we are possibly electing one woman and she sure as hell is not her husbands keeper and he is not hers.

It is a fact that women can actually stand on their own two feet. I know this will surprise some people,here it is, we actually have a functioning brain. We can walk, talk and chew gum at the same time.

We can crouch in a field and literally push a refrigerator out our vaginas to give you birth.

As some one said, the OP hit the trifecta here, racism, sexism and homophobia.

Sigh~ Good to see you 1SBM. I have missed you.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
40. How about his support for the 1994 crime bill, and guns?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:15 PM
Oct 2015

Was that "supporting black people" too?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
74. He voted for the crime bill because of the Violence Against Women Act and ban on assault weapons:
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:00 PM
Oct 2015
In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

Sanders reiterated his opposition to capital punishment in 2015. "I just don’t think the state itself, whether it’s the state government or federal government, should be in the business of killing people," he said on a radio show.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
119. Unless they were
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:07 AM
Oct 2015

veterans waiting on treatment at the VA hospital - then not so much.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
103. So were thousands of others.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:25 AM
Oct 2015

Many were beaten. Some were killed.

Getting arrested was a calculated risk.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
241. ... and that entitles him to what?! tia
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:29 PM
Oct 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. Dammit ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015
I don't regard Sanders as an especially overt supporter of the black community.


He marched with Martin Luther King and was down with SNCC (until he grew "frustrated with them" (his words) because they wanted to focus on racial issues).

What more do you want!!!!!

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
38. he said 'black lives matter'
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:12 PM
Oct 2015

...after he said voters shouldn't base their vote on the 'color of their skin.'

What don't I understand?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
48. But only after someone getting in his face about it ...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:21 PM
Oct 2015

and before sending thank you notes that fails to mention it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
134. What's wrong with that?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:50 AM
Oct 2015

Shouldn't people vote based on the policy stances of the candidate?

I'm not voting based on the gender of the candidate even though I think it's about time for a woman to be president. I don't want Hillary to be my president though.

If I were AA I certainly wouldn't want Ben Carson to be president.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
199. so you're prepared to tell me I shouldn't take my skin color into consideration when I vote?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

...not on any related issue I may hold as important and primary to my vote?

Sanders didn't say a thing about the 'gender of the candidate.' He said (on NPR) people shouldn't take the color of THEIR skin into consideration when they vote. It was an ignorant statement which was never clarified or reversed.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
248. Well, would you vote for Ben Carson if you are AA? Clarence Thomas?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:07 PM
Oct 2015

I mentioned gender as an example of me not sticking to that, I was not saying Sanders brought it up.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
255. can you read?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

...Sanders said NOTHING about voting for black candidates.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
242. Sanders was white splaining, yes PoC should take the color of THEIR skin into consideration when
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:31 PM
Oct 2015

... they vote because society defines us by it

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
249. As I asked the other poster, would you vote for Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:16 PM
Oct 2015

Taking it into consideration is one thing, voting based on it is another. I think there's a difference there and I'm sure Sanders meant the latter since he's well aware of the issues PoC face every day, though I haven't heard the quote in context.

One of the things that made me so happy to vote for Obama and shed a tear when he won was that he was AA, so I get it maybe to 1/1,000,000 of a degree that you do since I'm not a PoC, but I wouldn't have felt that way if it were Ben Carson of course.

And as I mentioned, I wouldn't vote for someone just because they are a woman. If Elizabeth Warren ran I would vote for her in a second and perhaps over Sanders, but I would have to really look at that. I wouldn't do it automatically just because she is a woman.



uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
260. No, their policies and stances are removed from ... MY... skin. Sanders said ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

... that I shouldn't consider the color of... MY....skin not the color of the candidates skin and I disagree with him on that.

I have to consider whether or not, for instance, someones stance on guns affects my community where most of my family lives... because guns disproportionately negatively affects blacks in so many ways.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
265. Okay, if you look at it that way I totally agree.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

Is there a video of him saying it? I'm curious now to hear it in context.

Of course PoC have to take their own skin color into consideration - how can you not - when voting. It's the basis of your life experience in this country in particular because of all the systemic racism.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
443. I think it is in reference to this interview:
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:11 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters

On African-American support for Democrats

Well, here's what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that's kind of natural. You've got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you've got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

But that's not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing? ... In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working-class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working-class people of this country, take on the big money interests. I think the key issue that we have to focus on, and I know people are uncomfortable about talking about it, is the role of the billionaire class in American society.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
133. Bernie marched and fought and got arrested for civil rights decades ago
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:46 AM
Oct 2015

and has fought for equal rights for all for the entirety of his career. How much more overt can you get?

Can people please stop participating in the continuous attempts to frame him as weak on civil rights/social justice/whatever you want to call it. It's just not true. There's a decades long record to show it.

Hillary was worse to BLM than Bernie. Hillary said in the debate she "represented Wall Street" as a senator from NY. No one who is fighting for Wall Street has the best interest of the black community at heart. It's not possible to represent Wall Street and be fighting for the people. She is supposed to represent the people, not banks.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
220. you can't support this baiting thread and then play dumb when defenses and responses are offered
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary has vast more experience and record of actual legislative responses to issues which affect to the black community. Also, she has more experience dealing with black constituents and their concerns in her state of New York and as first lady in Arkansas, than Sanders in Vermont.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
250. I'm not playing dumb. I'm sick of people trying to frame Bernie as weak on civil rights issues when
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:22 PM
Oct 2015

we all know he isn't. Insinuating that he is weak on that is "playing dumb" at best. Where was the outrage on DU of Hillary's treatment of BLM? I didn't see any. That tells me that people are politicizing this to try to make Sanders look bad. She also "represented Wall Street" (her words in the debate) while a senator of NY, so I'm not impressed with that. When she stops worrying about Wall Street and really does fight for the people I might take that point.

And I am simply responding to some posts in this thread, how am I supporting it? I didn't rec it. I'm just trying to discuss something.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
253. try responding to something I've actually said.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
264. I did.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
13. Can you clue me into why you can't help yourself with these attacks on Hillary?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:54 PM
Oct 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
19. Easy Peasy... Don't Want Her As Commander-In-Chief...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

Any other questions ???


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
26. Fine ... But why use Black folks and the LGBT community to spin your dislike. n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
39. Because division is kinda their thing.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:13 PM
Oct 2015

Everybody under the bus. Bernie will drive.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
67. No No No ... only Black people are allowed to be divisive. n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
79. Didn't you once claim that 50% of Stormfront members supported Bernie?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:07 PM
Oct 2015
http://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=486255

Because division is kinda their thing.


Glass houses/stones, figure it out.


PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
90. Hmm. There are a lot of people on here getting thrown
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:39 PM
Oct 2015

under the bus.

As to Bernie driving, well consider how he did NOT throw Clinton under the bus when Cooper was bringing up her emails. Bernie said, 'enough with the damned emails, already! Let's talk about the issues,' and then proceeded to.

So he's not driving the bus that people are getting thrown under.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
145. I thought there was a resolute disavowal of "identity politics"
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:26 AM
Oct 2015

as the very ethos of the campaign. I can never seem to get the logic straight here.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
182. Identity politics always struck me for code that the folks who are being identified...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:53 AM
Oct 2015

Identity politics always struck me for code that the folks who are being identified just need to be quiet.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
512. It depends on who being identified and who is doing the identifying.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015

EOM

Cha

(295,899 posts)
172. Jury Results, Janey~
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:19 AM
Oct 2015

Because division is kinda their thing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=687488

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Hateful, divisive group attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:08 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think some of the language throughout the many posts are divisive. There seems to be much emotion being expressed, some of it very negative. This post is not out of the ordinary of what little else I have read. Emotions seem to run high on this issue and many other issues around this primary season. I confess to being frustrated overall, but this post did not stand out to me, so I, personally, would leave it alone.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yawn.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert seems a bit personal to me.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: C'mon, this goes too far. Everyone I know is gonna vote for the Democrat in 2016 no matter who it is.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, it happens to be a fact. Not "hateful" at all. Oh, the irony of a Bernie supporter complaining about "divisive". Really?

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
365. Lol~
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:22 PM
Oct 2015

This is what they hide?

Yikes!

brush

(53,467 posts)
196. They've certainly done a good job of dividing DU
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:25 AM
Oct 2015

Trying to remember if even the Pumas back in '08 were as divisive.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
269. Not even close
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:14 PM
Oct 2015

I don't know what to call these "dividers" but I don't think they are really trying to get any democrat elected, not with crap like this being posted. The Pumas were bad, but this group is making them look reasonable if you ask me.

brush

(53,467 posts)
271. Yep! Agreed.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:26 PM
Oct 2015

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
406. The majority of Bernie supporters are not like that
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:24 PM
Oct 2015

I like both Bernie and Hillary. I think Bernie would better represent my views and so I will be voting for him. That in no way equates to disliking Hillary.

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
107. Agreed! It is getting very old! n/t
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:35 AM
Oct 2015

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
390. Why not. Many others on DU do so, often.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
394. I can only address the posts I see and one at a time.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:47 AM
Oct 2015

If/when I see others doing so ... I will ask them the same question.

we can do it

(12,116 posts)
416. It gets old, doesn't it?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:23 PM
Oct 2015
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
418. Yes. It does ...
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 05:08 PM
Oct 2015

The only thing more tiresome is the: "What me?" response they always give when called on it ... right before they accuse me of being a racist and divisive, when I call them on it.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
27. Well i do and I proudly marched with her in the pride parade and I am thrilled
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

she is for marriage equality.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
71. "thrilled she is FINALLY for marriage equality"
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:54 PM
Oct 2015

fixed it for you.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
73. I have spoken on this and I as a gay man trust her.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:57 PM
Oct 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
154. The op directly questioned...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:31 AM
Oct 2015

If you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. They don't get how offensive insinuating that is.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
180. Yep. Kind of outed himself.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

kath

(10,565 posts)
211. Yeah, it sure as hell took her long enough.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:15 PM
Oct 2015

She had to make absolutely SURE which way the wind was blowing, with that finger ever in the air.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
391. Neither Hillary nor Bernie will roll back gay rights.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:25 AM
Oct 2015

It's not like either of them would suddenly stop supporting gay rights now, so this whole line of questioning is silly.

Meanwhile, the Republican front runners are not exactly pro-gay.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
395. It's not like I'm considering voting for a Republican.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:47 AM
Oct 2015

But I damn near spit my beer out when Hillary said she has always been a progressive. At the points that she did not support gay marriage, most progressives were on board for quite some time.

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
17. Hey! You're on the second stage of grief! 'Denial' is 1, and you're on 'Anger.'
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:56 PM
Oct 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
22. Curious... Everybody Ignores The Original Question. - Try Giving It A Shot... If You Can...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
29. See Post #9. n/t
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:03 PM
Oct 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
44. True... But Tha Was My Question... Evolution, Political Expediency, Weathervane...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

okasha

(11,573 posts)
105. Concern trolling.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

You're not very good at it.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
114. It's pathetic. I wish it would stop. nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oct 2015

okasha

(11,573 posts)
118. And witless into the bargain.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:02 AM
Oct 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
122. Constant alarums and excursions, you'd think one would tire of it eventually.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

Some people need a lot of attention.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
126. Really.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:20 AM
Oct 2015

Running around with their hair, and frequently their pants, on fire.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
32. You should quote Aeschylus to our friend
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.

Aeschylus



 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
488. Yep!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:31 PM
Oct 2015

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
21. They're all bloody politicians even the Hope and Change one.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

Same old shit going on just a different day.

I bought Hope and Change and actually thought black folks would get some relief from one of our own but guess what?

Nope.

So.....at least Sanders was walking the walk for whatever reasons why he felt it was the right thing to do.

Maybe there's room for a little more Hope and some actual Change.

I know you weren't talking to a Sanders supporter but I am black and I felt the need to put my 2 cents in the pot.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. Stuff: Most people on welfare are not black, most black people are not on welfare.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:03 PM
Oct 2015

DADT was an improvement upon the previous shit, a compromised step forward after years of nothing but persecution. The leading issue of the day was not marriage rights but the fight against AIDS which had been criminally neglected by his Republican predecessors who stood by while tens of thousands died and did absolutely nothing. You, dear OP, have often defended those who voted for those genocidal policies enforced by cackling right wing bigots. I can link to your screed 'so now Reagan voters were anti gay?!?!?!' which you posted when you wanted us all to vote for Reagan supporting enemies of minority communities you feel are now 'reformed'. Cross party straight folks need to cut out the fucking lectures.

Most LGBT I know support Bernie, but this is exactly the sort of shit that can make that turn on a dime. Don't make the room uncomfortable for minority persons, WillyT. You have a habit of that and it needs to cease. Do you want links to your various bullshit lectures? Cut it the fuck out you straight white creator of division.

You live in the Bay Area, go ask LGBT and African Americans these questions live in the way you do it here, see how it flies. I dare you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
55. I have seen you address him several times and he never responds.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

eom

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
55. I have seen you address him several times and he never responds.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

eom

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
72. That's because I remember his posts and I'm onto his game and it's not about Bernie at all
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:55 PM
Oct 2015

He has done this exact same sort of post as a 'Warren Supporter'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231263

He is the poster who started the whole 'Civil Rights Don't Matter' trope:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026669120


Here is a nearly identical version of that thread posted at a different time;
Can We Have An Open Honest Discussion About Progressives, Civil Rights, And Income Inequality ???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026430750

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
76. The end result of a lot of his threads is he believes some folks have more agency than others.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:05 PM
Oct 2015

eom

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
82. Thank you for the links.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:09 PM
Oct 2015

It's obvious, isn't it?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
243. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:35 PM
Oct 2015
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
30. Bill isn't running.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

JI7

(89,172 posts)
33. you support Elizabeth warren and her past is much worse
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:07 PM
Oct 2015
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
36. Here's an idea: Lets hear from an African American!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:10 PM
Oct 2015

JI7

(89,172 posts)
41. ask Queen Latifah herself. she seems just fine with Clinton
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
47. oops!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:20 PM
Oct 2015

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
49. LOL OMG
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

This is too funny

And sad at the same time

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
57. Bill Clinton on the Not Sister Souljah Show:
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
237. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:10 PM
Oct 2015

JI7

(89,172 posts)
45. why do most Straight White Men vote RepublIcan ?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
444. Straight white male Democrats don't vote Republican, sorry
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

We aren't into right wing, sorry. If we were into right wing we would back your candidate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. WillyT this isn't helping anyone, please delete.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

Trying to pit minorities against each other - not cool.

As Bernie supporters I hope we're better than this.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
51. Thanks for this
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:23 PM
Oct 2015

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. No problem, this isn't what Bernie would want us to do.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:26 PM
Oct 2015

Let's stick to the issues.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
113. Thank you, bmus
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oct 2015

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
116. You're more than welcome, Chitown Kev.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:59 AM
Oct 2015

I wish he would have listened.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
192. +1 n/t
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
128. You already know this, but it bears repeating...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:57 AM
Oct 2015


Thank you!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
132. Aw...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:23 AM
Oct 2015

I feel the same way about you, my friend.



zappaman

(20,605 posts)
137. "As Bernie supporters I hope we're better than this."
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:53 AM
Oct 2015

Judging by the fact this OP is still up...I guess not.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
141. And you're here to do what? Insult those of us who are better?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:05 AM
Oct 2015

Congratulations, way to prove you're no better than the op - some of you are just here to stir the shit.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
200. Lol!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:54 AM
Oct 2015

Fabulous OP, eh?

mcar

(42,206 posts)
176. Nicely said, beam
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:25 AM
Oct 2015

This OP is the worst of DU.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
343. Thanks, mcar.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:19 AM
Oct 2015

geardaddy

(24,924 posts)
203. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:00 AM
Oct 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
226. This OP is really opening up some eyes. nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:31 PM
Oct 2015

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
244. I've come to expect this
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:36 PM
Oct 2015
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
280. You are utterly incorrect....this is helping someone.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:10 AM
Oct 2015

Once you realize who this is helping, perhaps you and others like you can collectively take out the trash.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
459. So true.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

Never seen so many freepers running around with their togas showing.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
460. You have it....nt
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
341. Thank you
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:14 AM
Oct 2015

beam me up scottie.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
342. You're welcome, lovemydog.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:18 AM
Oct 2015

Thanks for not taking a pot shot at me like some others did.

No good deed goes unpunished and all that...


lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
345. LOL, no worries.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:33 AM
Oct 2015

I rarely keep track of who is hating on who.

Did you see the new Star Wars trailer. I assume you're a science fiction fan. I watched it during halftime of Monday night football. Looked like it could be pretty good.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
346. Just got done watching the game, thank dog for dvrs.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:39 AM
Oct 2015

I never thought I'd go see another Star Wars film but I have high hopes for this one.

I know what I want for my birthday!


Response to WillyT (Original post)

NonMetro

(631 posts)
54. My Only Concern With HRC Now Is If She Can Win In 2016
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:29 PM
Oct 2015

That's "iffy", IMO, and if she doesn't - well, I don't even want to think about that!

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
62. Most Honest Response...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:42 PM
Oct 2015



 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
58. Maybe this is why
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie's letter to DU makes no mention of bigotry against blacks and LGBT people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118729194

Bernie seems to have a singular focus on anti-corporate economic populism.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
61. <---Lesbian here
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:38 PM
Oct 2015

I have absolutely no way to speak for other lesbians and say what they think because we are not a homogeneous community. (Sounded funny, didn't it?)

I answer for Aerows, have always answered for Aerows and will continue to answer for Aerows.

I will answer for Aerows until I am put in the grave, but I refuse to answer for crimes committed that I had no part in. That is a subtle, passive aggressive form of bullying.

When you (general statement not you specifically) ascribe the transgressions of someone that didn't commit them to a person simply because they disagree with you, you are engaging in gutter politics.

Take that as you will.


JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
64. WillyT demands minority groups give him answers ... now!!!!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:46 PM
Oct 2015

Justify yourselves!!!!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
77. I wonder if the OP will even realize that the welfare reference is offensive.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:05 PM
Oct 2015

As if blacks vote based on welfare benefits.

Standard right wing thinking.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
164. I doubt the OP has the necessary ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:51 AM
Oct 2015

... skills for introspection and self reflection to notice.

Could be due to the thin air he has to breathe sitting up there on high looking down.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
65. Congrats!
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:47 PM
Oct 2015

A new low!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
66. Who the fuck is "you"?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

I don't support Hillary Clinton for a host of reasons and I'm black & LGBT.

And if you think that the only thing that black most voters are concerned about is "welfare" and Sister Soulja then...let me shut up...

And besides, Bernie voted for the crime bill too, so he has NOT "ALWAYS had your back."

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
246. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:37 PM
Oct 2015

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
68. I'm not supporting her
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

I don't presume to speak for other LGBT people and I resent people that presume to speak for me. I also don't appreciate being considered a monolithic hive-mind...

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
75. Was Not Doing That... I Think/Hope... But I Was Wonder How The Hillary Hive Thrives...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:04 PM
Oct 2015

It blows me away.


moobu2

(4,822 posts)
69. Bernie Sanders cant get elected so who cares what he supported 50 years ago?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
92. A black man couldn't be elected as President in 2008
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

Until he was elected. Hillary had it all tied up with a neat little bow. Until she didn't.

Ever heard that phrase about history and being doomed to repeat it? Well have at it!

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
557. oh, just a member of CORE and SNCC (while HRC supported that
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:15 PM
Nov 2015

paragon of racial equality Goldwater). Who cares?

Bet you're a member of the 'look forward, not backward' brigade.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
78. It's a "Black Thing", WillyT. You wouldn't understand.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015

Feel better?

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
81. No... Explain That...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:08 PM
Oct 2015

Why would the AA Community be supporting a family that screwed them ???


Anansi1171

(793 posts)
86. Au Contraire, Mon Ami.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:20 PM
Oct 2015

Many AAs fondly remember a very healthy expansion of the black middle class during the Clinton years, and MANY AAs trust HRC in that respect.

Whatever her shortcomings, BS isnt even close to winning my support. When it comes to the cares of AAs right now,I'd go so far as to say Sanders is unauthentic and equivocal in his approach to racial disparities.

How's that?

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
87. I'd have to say her record beats his in that very important historical context.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
89. And I Remember Going To Protests Against The Welfare Refom Thing...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:30 PM
Oct 2015

My first protest as a college student was supporting Harvey Milk...

It was a much more radical time apparently... so sad we wussed out.


JI7

(89,172 posts)
99. you keep bringing up welfare and ignore that black people improved Financially during the Clinton
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:13 AM
Oct 2015

Years.

and Welfare itself is not a program based on race. it's a program that is open to all people . it's not a black issue.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
286. I'm inserting this for other readers since you don't egange. Those of you straight folks who
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:37 AM
Oct 2015

vanished into the mists after a few gestures of support around the Briggs amendment 'wussed out'. The LGBT movement doubled down, got far more radicalized and engaged in the most aggressive activism this country had seen since the 60's. And you, WillyT, in the Bay Area, could have been a supporter and participant is some of the most moving and important actions in the political history of California and the United States. But apparently you did not even notice what was going on around you:

1990:
“We were fraught, frustrated, enraged, and with very little hope. But we were also determined, and with all of us together there was a feeling of strength and even festivity.”

Journalist Tim Kingston is telling me over the phone what it felt like to be in San Francisco from June 20-24 in 1990, when the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT UP) staged historic protests during the Sixth International Conference on AIDS.
http://www.48hills.org/2015/06/16/the-week-act-up-shut-sf-down/

The link will show you what you missed by 'wussing out' as you did. This is your own home town! Look at the photos of your courageous neighbors, read the stories of men and women in the streets and in the halls of power standing up and acting up!!!!

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
100. His pro Wall Street policies was the downfall too.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:15 AM
Oct 2015
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
148. Then you were living in a bubble.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:59 AM
Oct 2015

Poverty and incarceration grew in our communities during the Clinton years.

That you believe that Sanders is the unauthentic one when he has been consistent and congruent over decades and Clinton who changes just about every decade she has been in the public arena tells me you do not see reality as it is.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
88. You're not the only one
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

asking this. If you ever get a clear answer, let us know.

Response to 840high (Reply #88)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
95. Why would LGBT folks support a candidate
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

that said:

tblue37

(64,979 posts)
147. Those who believe *that* show themselves pathetically ignorant of history.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:53 AM
Oct 2015

Marriage was largely polygynous through much of human history--including biblical times. It has been polyandrous in a few places, too. Even today polygyny is entirely acceptable in many places (e.g., America's buddy country Saudi Arabia). But one man/one woman marriages have been the norm only for a relatively short time, and even at that, not universally.

Saying that was either being ignorant or--more likely--a result of political calculation. I believe that Obama rejected marriage equality until he "evolved" solely because of political expediency. I don't know about the Clintons, but I suspect political expediency there, too. They knew, as did Obama, that the country as a whole wasn't there yet. Maybe they could have shown more leadership on the issue, but maybe doing so would have allowed a true antigay bigot to get into a position of power, which would have been even worse. It's hard to say.

brush

(53,467 posts)
198. Not at all sure about that
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:37 AM
Oct 2015

Back in the '90s everybody was working — including black folks.

Even in the Obama admin black employment hasn't been nearly as robust.

And don't even mention Cheney/Bush

Really disappointed in how so many Sanders supporters are costing him possible votes with bullshit, racist posts.

And Hillary is not Bill Clinton from the '92 campaign. Give it a rest with this crappola.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
530. What's your opinion? nt
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 08:25 PM
Nov 2015

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
84. I love Bernie. But remember. Bernie wasn't president in that historical context. AND there's so much
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:16 PM
Oct 2015

that she's really done on her own to always have had the back of half the population.

In the primary I am for Bernie, but for those who hold up half the sky, she has the better record.

Any time you care to ask...



WIProgressive88

(314 posts)
85. I am a huge Bernie supporter, but I don't think that this post is fair...
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:20 PM
Oct 2015

Other than a couple minor quips with some of his past votes on gun control, I think that Bernie is the best candidate on pretty much all of the issues. But there are clearly members of minority communities who face everyday non-economic based oppression who do not feel that he is speaking enough to their concerns. I do believe that Bernie will be a great president in terms of social and racial justice, but as a straight white dude, it is not my place to tell our African American and LGBTQ brothers and sisters which candidate will best address the issues affecting their communities. They have the life experiences and knowledge to make that judgment; I do not.

No candidate is entitled to anyone's vote. If you read the African American group on this board, there are several posters who are undecided, but I guarantee posts like this push those voters further and further away from Bernie. And I don't blame them. If someone attributed my voting preferences to Stockholm Syndrome rather than a rational thought process based on my life experiences, I would be less inclined to support his or her candidate as well. We should be reaching out to people, listening to their concerns, and respectfully make the case for why we feel Bernie should be the next President of the United States; we should not be chastising people because of which candidate they choose or choose not to support.

tblue37

(64,979 posts)
149. Oh, and as for black voters, the Clinton administration included a number of
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:20 AM
Oct 2015

extraordinarily talented black people (not to mention other minorities, including hispanics--Cisneros, Mineta, Richardson, Pena, Alvarez--and even Lebanese--i.e., Donna Shala) in highly visible positions, like Marian Wright Edelman, Ron Brown, Jesse Brown, Togo D. West, etc.

He also included a lot more women, both white and minority, in important positions--Edelman, Shalala, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and the first female SoS, Attorney General, etc.

Clinton made a real effort to open up high government office to women and minorities, thus "normalizing" the idea by making it so common. I think those efforts really made a difference for minorities and women in terms of opening up opportunities for such positions even beyond his time in office.

I am a Bernie supporter, but I will gladly support HRC if she is nominated. I do dislike her corporate/bankster ties, her involvement with the Family, and her hawkishness, but I rather suspect she figures those things are necessary to position herself so she can get into office in order to promote the more beneficial policies she has been promoting for decades.

I fear that she underestimates how constrained she will be as a result of such compromises and deal-making. You can't lie down with dogs without rising up with fleas. But I think (HOPE) that her intention is to use the office for good, not Ill, and despite her politically expedient actions and votes for policies that I recoil from, her career on the whole has done a lot to promote issues that benefit women and children both in the US and around the world.

Furthermore, like Obama Unchained, the badass president who doesn't have to worry about getting elected any more, a President Hillary would be at the end of her political career, so she wouldn't need to worry about protecting her own future political options, so she might well do a lot of good.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
91. What an utterly tone deaf post.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:45 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:19 AM - Edit history (1)

with 15 recs, at that. (make that 23, no surprises there)

What is your deal?

Keep it up...

stevil

(1,537 posts)
93. Feel better?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:54 PM
Oct 2015

What a nasty post. You don't deserve an answer.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
94. you are one of the Popes Biggest Fans on this Site, even using him to attack Obama and other
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

democrats.

if you are really concerned with gay rights how doyou explain your support for the pope while attacking those who are much more supportive of gay rights ?

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
108. You are one of my favorite people!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:37 AM
Oct 2015


It is one thing to advocate to minorities in favor of your candidate, it is quite another to chastise those minorities because they don't support your candidate.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
111. thanks
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

i actually learned a lot from reading your posts on these issues.

the question of why certain people support certain candidates would be good and informative in itself. but i question the OP's intentions because of things like the support for the Pope. plus the OP has ignored all the answers many have given . not just in this thread but many others.

and as you say it's just chatising the groups rather than wanting to actually listen.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
97. Never a road to low for you to take, is there Willy? nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:04 AM
Oct 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
102. You hit the trifecta - this is racist, sexist, and homophobic. Congratulations Willy!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:23 AM
Oct 2015
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
110. Ahem.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:45 AM
Oct 2015

Can you cease and desist from explaining to the LGBTQ community what we should feel (according to George II) instead of what we do feel?

I'm sure you are an expert on being a lesbian in your own mind, but since I am sitting here living it, it's not nearly as glamorous as movies of a certain type make it out to be.

My agenda is paying the car insurance, getting to work, looking after elderly parents, and every now and then, I dedicate some time to DU as a volunteer.

Because I love this site.

I love discussing politics with other human beings.

I think some folks forget that there are *human beings* sitting behind the keyboard.

George II

(67,782 posts)
124. Excuse me?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:14 AM
Oct 2015

"Can you cease and desist from explaining to the LGBTQ community what we should feel (according to George II) instead of what we do feel?"

When did I do that? I never "explained" what the LGBTQ community should feel. What makes you think that?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
270. Not a single word of their post told anyone how they should feel. Nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
356. Precisely - and not a single word to either try to explain where that came from.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:18 PM
Oct 2015


JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
166. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:52 AM
Oct 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
339. Indeed. nt
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:37 PM
Oct 2015

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
104. You're not helping.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:30 AM
Oct 2015

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
112. And people actually recced this vile post.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:54 AM
Oct 2015
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
117. WillyT laid it out
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:00 AM
Oct 2015

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, will you assert that it is a cow?

The Faux outrage against folks that don't support Hillary is absurd.

Where are you? It's right there in the name: Democratic

Why are some so terrified of Democracy?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
652. A lot of people think that Democracy is the ability to own the latest iPhone.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jan 2016

Regardless of the fact that the new technology of cell phones and mini pads etc all exist through slave labor and the use of expanding the dumping in our oceans.

The Suburbanites I know that are for Hillary really have operated along the same lines of economics that she and Bill do.

First they inherited their parents' businesses in the late 1980's. Then they slashed the workers' hourly wages back in the 1990's. The Grand Finale was when they let their companies go belly up in the mid to late 1990's.

And that way they got a lot of money through Golden Parachuting out of the day to day running of their parents' business.

Who cares if the workers' pensions were destroyed by all that?

Rather similar to how Bill Clinton signed off on the Banking Modernization Act which destroyed Glass Steagal. And eventually destroyed the middle class. But hey, it worked out for the Clintons!! They both do very very well in front of Corporate Podiums, commanding over $ 375,000 per speech.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
229. Yeah, but look at WHO'S doing the rec'ing.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

Not one surprise there. Not a single one.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
115. I'm a gay woman who voted for Obama twice despite his views on gay marriage.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:57 AM
Oct 2015

I don't even know where to begin on how much is wrong with your OP. So I'll just ask - Do you understand how ridiculous it is that you don't know the difference between Queen Latifah and Sister Soulja?

I'm still on the fence as far as which Dem I'm going to support, but these type posts do nothing to sway people to your candidate. I think Sanders would take a dim view of this type of tactic.

It's quite pathetic.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
125. Hey you.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:19 AM
Oct 2015

Good post.

I've made myself scarce here. Way to ugly.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
175. This particular OP sure is.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:24 AM
Oct 2015

As I said, I'm undecided still - some days leaning toward Hillary, some days toward Sanders. Would be interested if Biden got in, but his games are beginning to bore me.

Posts like this, however, simply make supporters of whichever candidate posts them look very bad. This is the second really awful one I've seen from a Sanders supporter. The other was a vicious photo of Hillary that had no place on DU.

Sensible supporters of both candidates should try and rein in their more unreasonable peers.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
201. A supporter who makes the candidate look bad is in fact a detractor.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:58 AM
Oct 2015

nt

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
130. If Mr. THANG here was so effin' fierce with Google
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:07 AM
Oct 2015

you'd think that he could spell "Latifah" correctly...the fact that he doesn't (in spite of the many comments here that point to the correct spelling) sure looks like...somethin'

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
123. Another reason some people like Sanders, but not his supporters.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
268. I agree, however
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think all of Sanders supporters should be grouped together. There is one "inner" group that seem to have taken over things, the same group that have bashed president Obama from pretty much day one. They hate Obama, hate pretty much the whole democratic party, and of course they hate Hillary. Their agenda is not helping people come over to Bernie, instead I think it makes people less likely to want to vote for Bernie. Sometimes I really wonder if this group is "really" trying to get Bernie elected.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
129. I wish this OP would be deleted
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:59 AM
Oct 2015

Stockholm Syndrome? C'mon man, seriously? I don't think you realize how condescendingly offensive this post is.

I'll certainly argue with fellow LGBTers a little about primary choices, but people have their reasons.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
135. Forget about Queen "Latifa", what about Public Enemy???
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:51 AM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
144. lol
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:21 AM
Oct 2015

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
146. Hilarious
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:30 AM
Oct 2015

I doff my imaginary cap to you

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
194. Ha!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:16 AM
Oct 2015

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
238. +1
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:11 PM
Oct 2015

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
447. That's funny as hell
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:52 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
448. I'm more of a Bob Marley fan myself...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
450. Yep I loved when he left the Commodores
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
453. The Commodores?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:02 AM
Oct 2015

I thought he was one of The Pips?

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
454. I think you are thinking about this guy Marvin Gaye
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:10 AM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
462. Oh, right...
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:48 PM
Oct 2015

My favorite Marvin Gaye song will always be BEAT IT!

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
463. Mine is Purple Rain
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
464. No, I think Purple Rain is by Rhianna...
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
465. Oops you are right
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
466. I am a big Etta James fan
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
470. Me too, but I think that's Jay Zee!
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:32 PM
Oct 2015

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
476. This is Jay Zee but I was wrong it wasn't Etta that was Snoop Dogg
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:59 AM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
500. Snoopy Dog kicks ass!
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:38 PM
Nov 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
613. LOL. nt
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:35 PM
Dec 2015

jfern

(5,204 posts)
136. Just delete this
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:52 AM
Oct 2015

RandySF

(57,598 posts)
140. Because it's America
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:00 AM
Oct 2015

And everyone can support whomever they want. By the way, up until a few months ago, Bernie was not even a member of the party.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
151. Why do you need a group of people
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:24 AM
Oct 2015

to follow your wishes? You feel like they owe it to you?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
152. This post is racist and vile. You should delete it.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:16 AM
Oct 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
155. Morning bump.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:38 AM
Oct 2015

Racism is alive and thriving on DU.

stonecutter357

(12,682 posts)
156. racist
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:44 AM
Oct 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
157. Why would they? You don't seem to be interested in the answers already provided in this thread...nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:59 AM
Oct 2015

Sid

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
158. Bill Clinton's wife has taken black and gay people hostage, infected them with Stockholm Syndrome?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:04 AM
Oct 2015

This is an outrage! Have the authorities been alerted? The poor hostages. Bill Clinton's wife is a monster. Thank god for DU. I really get the fair and balanced news here.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
247. Yeap and remember we're all on welfare so the OPs welfare reference was aimed at us
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:39 PM
Oct 2015

... most people on welfare are not black this post is shit

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
251. Yes, sounds exactly like a Republican.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:31 PM
Oct 2015

No matter how many times the fact is repeated that most people on welfare are not black, it will never sink into some people's brains, never.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
163. Since this is still stinking up DU, let us all look back at WillyT's former calls for kindness
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:32 AM
Oct 2015

and understanding for Republicans:

"But what I mean is... how did we get to this polarizing enmity in our national politics and discourse?

And I'm talking about both within the same party, but particularly between parties.

My old man, a Marine Bomber (B-25) pilot in WWII, was before and after that (plus Korea) a journalist. He wrote for a Chicago paper as a police reporter, then for the San Diego Union, the Copley News Service, Cox... and eventually was part of the California Highway Commission which built our state's freeway system. He knew, at least in the cosmos of California, all sorts of politicians, lobbyists, and movers and shakers. Hell, he'd hold cocktail parties, and I as a young tyke would spend my time stealing the onions out of the martinis of state senators and assemblymen.

Hell, when Reagan was running for re-election for governor of California, he invited the journalists covering the capitol, and their families, to the mansion for a huge BBQ complete with a cowboy on a horse doing rope tricks and such. Me and Skipper, now known as Ron Reagan, were the terrors of the dunk tank that day. And everybody, young old Republican or Democrat had a great time. My dad would not allow me to wear my Jesse Unruh button to the party, but he did get a kick out of the attempt.

My point is, from what I saw in the late sixties and into the seventies, from my youngish viewpoint, was that these guys, and they were almost always guys, seemed to actually get along no matter their party. They may have vociferously disagreed, defended their positions, their donors and their constituents, but they always seemed to like and respect each other at the end of the day.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/?az=archives&j=1874&page=1


So why then does the OP keep spreading polarizing, bigoted enmity among Democrats? What would Dutch and Skipper say about that?
It skeeves me out that a poster who calls for Democrats to like and respect Republicans would stake out such a viciously divisive stance among Democrats and particularly in this way, crafted as it is as an attack on LGBT and African American voters for having a franchise equal to Skipper's playmate.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
167. Great response.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:54 AM
Oct 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
170. Nailed it...nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:14 AM
Oct 2015

Sid

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
173. Thank you. nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:19 AM
Oct 2015

mcar

(42,206 posts)
177. This, entirely
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:28 AM
Oct 2015

How this OP didn't get hidden is quite beyond me, even on today's DU.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
181. Excellent post. n/t
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:53 AM
Oct 2015

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
214. Thank you for finding that
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:49 PM
Oct 2015

You have a really good memory about what has gone on around here, and you're also good at connecting the dots.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
239. Whoa..
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
Oct 2015

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
278. Hammer meet nail.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:52 AM
Oct 2015

Thank you, Bluenorthwest.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
344. This post and most every one
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:30 AM
Oct 2015

from a former Reagan supporter remind me of former crackheads telling everyone not to smoke a joint or have a drink. Hey, I wasn't the one with the problem - you were!

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
165. racist bullshit eom
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:52 AM
Oct 2015

Spazito

(49,738 posts)
168. This is the most loathsome OP I've seen on DU...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oct 2015

and that's saying something these days.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
169. Reminding people of Hillary's racism is *itself* racist. Or something.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:04 AM
Oct 2015
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
183. I'm a gay Bernie supporter, this OP is bigoted trash about Bill Clinton's actions which the OP
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

barely understands. This bullshit is not helpful to Bernie, not helpful to Hillary, not helpful to any Democrat and this is the exact brand of bullshit this particular poster has been purveying on DU for months and months, long before Bernie announced.

Straight white men like the OP might want to consider that they are not the sages minority communities look to for political guidance.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
179. Why am I not surprised.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

What a disgusting OP. Having read about this in another thread, figured I'd take a look around and see what was up. Now I really wish I hadn't.

This should really be self deleted. Editing would just leave a slimy trail.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
184. Let me just say I don't think the OP is a bad guy, just misguided.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:58 AM
Oct 2015

If I may I would counsel him to sit back, take a deep breath, and give serious consideration to the possibility that smart folks of good will can see the world very differently from himself.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
216. That is gracious
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:58 PM
Oct 2015

Your atttitude is far more generous than mine. I find the op to be divisive flame bait, at the least.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
186. Keep up the good work!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

I support your efforts to alienate all POC and anyone else you can think of to patronize! I like it when Bernie and his supporters show their true colors. Although, I feel bad about the folks you guy treat poorly. I think they are starting to become immune to this kind of garbage.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
188. I bit my tongue but i am ready to take a fifth hide because i think this is important.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:04 AM
Oct 2015

You should be utterly ashamed of this post. You should be ashamed that a good DUer got a bogus hide because of your disgusting thread.http://www.democraticunderground.com/118729258

You can attempt to bullshit us and say this was out of principal but it was not. This was a fuck you thread for those of us who support Hillary Clinton and you wanted to rub our nose in shit.

Stockholm Syndome? Are you fucking kidding me WillyT?

I have always thought you were thought provoking and that was always a good thing, even though I might disagree.

But this was nothing but a fuck you to African Americans and LGBT members and you should be fucking ashamed.

Whatever appreciation I had for you is gone.

Go ahead and alert and silence me till early December. But the truth must be said.

Shame on you WillyT.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
206. Thank you for being willing to take one for the team on the this
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:36 AM
Oct 2015

Seriously.

Notice I'm responding to you - I won't dignify the OP. I owe him nothing.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
227. I don't know why anyone is suprised. The ENTIRE INTERNET has had a a front row seat to this
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

type of hateful idiocy for months now. Which is why an endless sea of progressive groups, movements and figures has called these people out more times than anyone can count.

But it's everybody in the entire world's fault that more poc aren't supporting their candidate and their rage that we aren't "doing as we're told" is what's lead to the type of lashing out that we're seeing in this OP, on Twitter, on John Lewis' Facebook page, on Black Lives Matter's Facebook page and everywhere black people dare to tread. The decision to lash out at gays is a bit more recent but we all know that bigotry doesn't live in a bubble. If someone has problems with black folks, they usually have problems with gays, women and other minorities as well.

So I sincerely hope that everyone remembers this the next time some puffed up, out of control Sanders supporter tries to blame the enmity between his campaign and minority communities on the minorities. I've seen so many incredibly stupid people here blame the rift on the AA forum and black people in general, accusing us of "driving a wedge" because we spoke up about this crap first as well as as loudly and often. I've always been damn glad that we did and seeing this kind of crap does nothing but cement that.

And yes, CaliDem's hide was complete and total bullshit. But again, I hope that no one is surprised. This is the nature of this place now and has been for a while.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
254. And remember for the next time someone says "I've never seen anything like that here."
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:43 PM
Oct 2015

Aargh.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
189. You've got some cool nerve.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:06 AM
Oct 2015

I guess that's all I can say that won't get a hide.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
190. Wow. You couldn't drive people to Camp Clinton any faster if you tried. n/t
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
191. Here is a reminder kick for you...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

You should remember to delete this vile crap.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
195. Delete this racist bullshit.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
Oct 2015

You are actively making DU suck.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
197. Condesending and divisive. What a crap OP.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:36 AM
Oct 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
655. Maybe he didn't give it enough thought./nt
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
204. Delete this op
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:24 AM
Oct 2015

....for the sake of all of us.... this has no business anywhere on DU.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
205. Man, you've been clued.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

{Shakes head with abundant enuii.}
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
207. Is there a point to this OP other than pissing people off?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:48 AM
Oct 2015

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
208. WillyT, with posts like this, you've answered your own question...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:49 AM
Oct 2015

If you're serious about a more nuanced discussion, you know where the Afr'Am forum is...

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
209. Finger-wagging "you people" posts tend to get a poor reception (nt)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
213. I don't get why straight white people would vote for Hillary Clinton.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:43 PM
Oct 2015

For that matter, why would anyone, particularly the economically disadvantaged and/or working class folk, vote for Republicans?

They do nothing that is good whatsoever.

Makes no logical sense at all to me; but in this pseudo-democracy, I am resigned to the fact that others have different opinions than I have. These opinions somehow make sense to those who, from my POV, apparently vote against their own interests.

There are various reasons why individuals from any group vote the way they do. We're all just people. Like you, I am a reasonably well informed "policy and integrity" oriented voter. Obviously, not everyone is a reasonably well informed "policy and integrity" voter, or there would be no republican party.

We both know that the reasons people vote for who they vote for are myriad. Some people will even vote for a candidate because they have better hair than another candidate. Some because of the candidate's gender. I'm very sure there are more than a few people out there who won't vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman.

I suspect that there are even some women out there who will not vote for Hillary because she is a woman. Maybe they feel that they cannot vote for a woman because it goes against the tenets of their religion.

In general, this may seem illogical and unreasonable to many Democrats and left leaning independents, particularly reasonably informed policy and integrity oriented Dem and left leaning voters.

But it is what it is, and it ain't gonna change any time soon. In the meantime, it feels to me like the best course of action is for we Bernie supporters to spread the message of democratic equality, justice, and compassion, put ourselves in the voting majority, and significantly change our country and our world for the general benefit of everyone.

AJH032

(1,124 posts)
215. On DADT and DOMA
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

Re: DADT - Bill Clinton wanted to allow gays to serve openly in the military (this was part of his 1992 campaign platform) but settled on "DADT" because Congress would not agree to it. With DOMA, I believe this passed with a veto-proof majority, really forcing Clinton's hand, despite his objections to it, even then.

Obviously I do not support either of these policies, but I think it's important to understand them in context. I think it's outright dishonest to say that HRC openly "promoted" either one.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
219. If you want to hear outright lies about Hillary Clinton and anyone...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

who supports her, this is the site to come to!

It's like a festival of hate and mis-information!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
217. 'cause if there's one thing that shows you're THE champion of LGBTs and people of African
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

descent (or, well, Africans), it's backing coups and turmoil in Honduras and Africa!

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
234. Why the Africa reference?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:06 PM
Oct 2015

Most black Americans that descend from slaves have no connections with that Continent.

Well one of my husband's cousins is studying in Egypt right now - but she's an Italian with dual Germsn/Italian citizenship.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
221. Where's your proof that LGBT people support Hillary?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:31 PM
Oct 2015

I know this is a dubious claim spread by Hillary supporters, and sometimes believed by Sanders supporters, but I can assure you there is no consensus in the LGBT community about which candidate to support.

If I had to poll every other LGBT person I know, Bernie would win. But this is because I'm 25 and most of my friends are in the Bernie's strongest age group (18-29).

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
222. No group owes any candidate their support
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]If you want someone to vote for them you have to EARN that support, and each person is different with their own priorities and goals.

And it is pretty pathetic to call those who don't agree with your opinion suffering from Stockholm syndrome.[/font]

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
224. I like to pretend people who disagree with me have Stockholm Syndrome too..
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:03 PM
Oct 2015

I like to pretend people who disagree with me have Stockholm Syndrome too... it lets us dispose of the inconvenience of nuance and degrees of difference.

On the other hand, I try not to do so publicly as it illustrates my own lack of character much more than it illustrates any point I wanted to make. Though no doubt, you somehow still believes doing so illustrates a point though...

JI7

(89,172 posts)
225. The OP had little to do with Sanders. The OP had been posing these type of things
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:10 PM
Oct 2015

About minorities for a long time now. Before sanders was running.

Check out many of the other threads .some which claim to want an honest discussion yet always ignoring what people are saying.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
231. No faster way to become a DU "darling" with a certain clique. And I'm sure it's just a coincidence
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:59 PM
Oct 2015

that these same folks have shit on this president since Day 1. Nothing more. Yeah.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
261. Exactly
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

Same bashers doing their best to stir things up by going negative all the time, and now it seems like they they are going to extremes to see who can get the most recs, and views for making such insane posts.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
296. It has nothing to do about truth.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:17 AM
Oct 2015

It is all about recs

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
232. WillyT, just because the propaganda seeking to divide the Democratic say that bs does not
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:00 PM
Oct 2015

make it a fact. And AA's are not the only people who need to "discover"Bernie's ideas.

So WillyT, to me, you seem to be feeding the great dividers.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
236. Willy very good questions that could only be answered face to face .
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:57 PM
Oct 2015

I could be a valley girl or a Peruvian goat hearder ,my answers would be as useless telling you to delete these questions ....carry on because conflict is better than being repukians .

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
240. I disagree that this racially condescending question is good, it's tone deaf at best and has been
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:27 PM
Oct 2015

... explained here over and over again that relationships count a lot more than saying I marched with so and so and the sense of entitlement that goes along with that.

Willy T knows thsi

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
252. You've outdone youself, WillyT.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:33 PM
Oct 2015

I'm astounded.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
257. Yes
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:54 PM
Oct 2015

It think his mentor is proud of Willy. He can stir things up with the best of them.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
256. Don't look at me.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:50 PM
Oct 2015

LGBT here. I *never* liked her.

I remember her running for the senate here in 2000. LGBT Parade was last week in June, as always.

If memory serves ( no I can't find a link) she agreed to march in the Parade.... but she and her crew ran through side streets to join the march AFTER it passed St Patrick's Cathedral. Because she didn't want to show "disrespect" to the Cardinal by marching w. the sodomites in front of that holy place.

So she hooked up w. the march some place JUST BELOW 49th street and 5th. The parade launch was 59th street.


As I said.... no, I can't find a link. ( Anyone here remember it?)


But ya gotta admit:it sure SOUNDS like her. No?

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
258. haha that sounds like her.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

I am also LGBT and never liked her.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
259. Most African Americans and GLBT...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:04 PM
Oct 2015

Are overall more conservative than DU. People vote against their interests (IMHO) all the time, so I'm not so surprised anymore, I'm just glad African Americans and GLBT people seem to vote against their interests as a group far less than whites. Voting for the neoconservative Democratic candidate is far more preferable and less head scratching than voting for the fuckers in the GOP.

A lot of people automatically equate minority status with being liberal, but that isn't the case at all.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
262. You got any sources to back up the claim that most AA's are conservative?! tia
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:23 PM
Oct 2015

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
279. Here...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:06 AM
Oct 2015
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/ And it's not that they're "conservative", just relatively so compared to the Democratic Party average, much less compared with DU. They're much more liberal than whites overall, but whites in the Democratic Party trend more liberal relative to the party.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
285. Non - whites doses not mean black... Hispanics are a larger population than Black's in America
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:35 AM
Oct 2015

... There's not one statement or claim in the article that says most Black's lean conservative or right of center

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
330. And I never said it...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:07 PM
Oct 2015

The article does break down the non-white population at points, but it's a long article. Anyways, what I said is that blacks tend to lean more conservative as a group within the Democratic Party. That's the context.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
332. I don't see any proof of this in the article or poll that most blacks tend to lean conservative...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

... even relative to democrats.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
340. It's not that "most blacks" do...
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:00 AM
Oct 2015

Just that blacks as a demographic group do. I'd say the makeup of the different typologies and their demographic breakdown clearly show blacks in higher proportions of the more conservative typologies of the Democratic Party.

It's mostly the cultural/religious questions that really drag the demographic more conservative.

Only 39 percent of blacks, to this day, support marriage equality:

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/07/29/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

That's huge. When most of a demographic holds bigoted ideas (61 percent!) they're not going to be among the most liberal demographics in the Democratic Party.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
272. Exactly how do you define conservative?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:51 PM
Oct 2015

Who told you that YOU get to define what a "liberal" is?

Only the nice white progressive vote the right way for the right reason...

HOW DARE YOU CHASTIZE LGBT'S AND AFRICAN AMERICANS WHEN IT'S STRAIGHT WHITES THAT ARE FAR MORE LIKELY TO VOTE REPUBLICAN...HOW DARE YOU11111

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
277. +1
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:58 AM
Oct 2015

That has to be one of the more bizarre posts I think I have seen at DU in awhile. I'd love to see where those "facts" came from...I think. Conservative as compared to what/who? Stalin? Strange days at DU.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
282. Conservative relative to DU...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:13 AM
Oct 2015

As the post clearly said... Not surprising that an online community that draws self-identified liberals will be more liberal than just about any demographic group as a whole.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
281. Defining any ideology is a bit subjective...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:11 AM
Oct 2015

But this poll did it by policy issues, and these were the results: http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/

I'm not chastising anyone, if you read my post, just stating my opinion that most people don't vote their interests, and whites as a group are the worst offenders IMHO.

A lot of DUers wrongly think minorities will be just as progressive as DU just because of their minority status, but that's wrong.

DU is an online community for people who self identify generally as progressive, it's going to be much more liberal than the general population of oat any demographic group.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
295. But you're defining
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:51 PM
Oct 2015

what people's interests are according to your standards and your own interests.

There is a spectrum of beliefs under the so-called Democratic umbrella or even the "liberal" umbrella. You (and I don't mean "you," personally) don't get to define those term for me.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
328. Most everyone does that...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

I don't vote out of pure self-interest, but for who I think would be best for everyone. That's how many people vote.

When I say that Republicans are voting against their interest, I am defining those interests by my values, but any judgment requires that. Then it's just a matter of convincing others that it is in their interest, or them convincing you otherwise.

I think most people vote against their interests because it's not their priority in who they choose, or they are manipulated. The fact that most voters don't know or care about policy positions of candidates says a lot about how effectively they are looking out for their interests.

It is just an opinion, but that's what a democracy is, you will be imposing your interests and values to some extent on others through your vote. People can define themselves however they want, it doesn't mean I have to accept those labels as accurate. Clinton has identified as liberal. I don't agree with that.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
292. "Only the nice white progressive vote the right way for the right reason..."
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:50 PM
Oct 2015

You nailed it. And with "allies" like this, who needs enemies???

lib87

(535 posts)
263. Damn. You Just Went on a Full on Ignorant Angry White Male Racist Homophobic Rant
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:48 PM
Oct 2015

And you have fellow DU cheerleaders agreeing with you and excusing your post!

Fuck you and your crew.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
266. Stockholm Syndrome
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:24 PM
Oct 2015

applies more to straight white male non-millionaires voting for republicans.

Maybe you can provide some 'insight' on that.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
267. Seems the OP has totally abandoned
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:48 PM
Oct 2015

this disgraceful thread and moved on as if it weren't even here.

Honestly, you should have to look at this every day when you sign on.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
275. Obliviously on he sails ... nt
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:51 AM
Oct 2015

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
303. I kicked it up
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
274. Why would people support the 1% and hope for social justice? It's a great question. nm
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:45 AM
Oct 2015
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
297. That WOULD be a great question, had that been the question that was asked.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:33 AM
Oct 2015

but..."Stockholm syndrome"?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
301. Why would minority persons feel connection to majority members who oppress us just because those
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:00 AM
Oct 2015

majority members are of similar financial positions and reject those who support us just for having more money or less money?

You know who is in the 1%? Elizabeth Warren. You were very fond of her. Reagan voting 1%er.

So why is it that you straight white folks are entitled to drool all over 1%ers openly? I don't dig those Double Standard Politics.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
310. Excuse me, but I'm not defending the OP, here.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

And I'm not a Warren supporter, I back Bernie. I had mixed feelings about Warren at best, and she was wrong to ever have supported Reagan or aligned with anyone who is antigay. The only reason I even considered her was that, if Bernie hadn't run, at that point there would have been no candidate in the race challenging corporate control of life. Would you really have preferred HRC to be nominated without opposition, when you know that would have meant she'd be running on Bill's 1992 platform again?

You're lashing out at me here for no reason. I attacked the OP. I alerted the mods on it too. We're not on opposite sides here.





 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
320. I have been supporting Bernie for this election, not Liz Warren whom I do not trust nor care for.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:34 AM
Oct 2015

Like the Pope, Liz has some things she says that I like but also has a big, giant list of negatives that need to be transformed, explained and for which amends need to be made.
So my goal has been Bernie. Not Elizabeth, they are not the same at all. I opposed Liz as a candidate because Liz was unable to stand up and answer valid questions about her own past without spewing bullshit and deflections.
Some of you wanted Liz I opposed that. I favored Bernie Sanders. I still do. Try to get that through your head. I not only support Bernie Sanders, was doing so when you and the great Willy were touting Warren. I wanted that spot for Bernie who is honest, direct and was never on the side of genocidal bigots.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
397. Fine. And Elizabeth isn't running.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

I strongly support Bernie. The only reason I even considered Warren is that, at that time, it didn't look like Bernie was going to run. Once he got into the picture, I was on his side.

We aren't in disagreement here, ok?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
306. I read it as the question asked. The establishment has been holding down advances in
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:20 PM
Oct 2015

social justice as best they can. The Clintons are a good example. Why do some people, especially those completely focuses on social justice think the establishment will help them? It would be like OWS voting for HRC.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
300. Truth be told, some in the "1%" were for gay rights and pushed for them
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:00 AM
Oct 2015

in spite of what you may think are their reasons for doing so.

I could point out so many examples; the vote in the Republican-led NY Senate for marriage equality, forcing Jan Brewer's hand on vetoing an odious religious freedom bill are two of them.

many liberals would have preferred that LGBT's just sat down and shut up.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
276. Nope...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015

It has been evident for quite awhile that the AA community can't explain a thing to you. I mean, first of all, who are you to demand an explanation? And as for being upset about the loss of welfare programs. Following your logic, you're sticking with Bernie because he'll let you keep your welfare benefits and he's been kind to Queen Latifah. In fact, following your logic...after Bernie tried his hand at writing Science Fiction...as a woman, I should never give him the time of day EVER AGAIN. EVER...EVER...EVER...AGAIN. Did I mention, NEVER, EVER.

But, I'd have better luck explaining to my dog why he shouldn't chase the cat. My results would be better. And, my dog likes me. He never wastes my time.

Speaking of time, who has that kind of time and where would we start, if we gave a care. And, well, I can only speak for me. I don't give a care. This post I've typed in reply to you, took about 3 minutes. That was really about 2 minutes and 59 seconds more than your post was worth. The only reason I replied was because of that awful reflex of watching a car wreck. You want to turn away, but you just can't. And, the last time I checked, I thought we put to rest this notion of Bernie being a savior to PoC. Bernie's a democratic politician. Just because he's St. Bernie to you doesn't mean that's what he represents to me. To me, these are just two politicians with SLIGHTLY different political agendas running against the clown car convention that is the current republican party.

COMPLETE freedom implies, "Naw sah...I's ain't got to tell ya, nothing, Mista. Willy".



 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
283. I relaize that you weren't seriously suggesting that LGBTQ or AA voters suffer from
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:24 AM
Oct 2015

Stockholm syndrome. But your post is condescending and tone-deaf and should be self-deleted.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
287. For the third time I don't believe the seminal poster is a 'bad guy'.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:42 AM
Oct 2015

I do believe he carries the burden of latent paternalism, that certain groups are incapable of thinking for themselves, and could benefit by his instruction. I don't believe it is deliberate but he is incapable of suppressing it and it inevitably comes to the fore.


kwassa

(23,340 posts)
355. Latent paternalism or blatant paternalism?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:48 PM
Oct 2015

sometimes also known as white privilege.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
288. Dude...Shut.The.Cheney.Up.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

This OP was beyond stupid and beyond racist. And I say that as a person who absolutely does NOT want HRC nominated.

For the love of goddess, please self-delete it before it does any more damage.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
289. A truly puke-worthy OP.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:34 AM
Oct 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
290. In case you missed it...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oct 2015

kick.

Sid

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
291. and fucked the program formerly known as "Welfare". ...because that is how you see "those"
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

people who all look and vote alike .you can't even tell one women of color from another and all AAs are concerned about Welfare benefits as the number one voting issue because what? All AAs are on welfare ?
Fuck that shit

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
293. Black folk are like other folk. They want jobs.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:55 PM
Oct 2015

eom

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
294. Plenty have jobs, their parents had jobs and they have never needed to be on welfare
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:47 PM
Oct 2015

The smug generalization and negative racial stereotyping
It's insulting even way beyond the "free stuff" insinuation

The real mental issue is with someone who thinks talking to people like this OP will make people rethink their reasons for endorsing a candidate
Now that's crazy!!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
298. kick
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:49 AM
Oct 2015

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
299. Willy T, I must say that this is one of the most ignorant and hateful
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:17 AM
Oct 2015

posts I've ever seen here at DU. Do you even read the replies to this thread, or respond to them?

LBGT and African-Americans have traditionally voted far more liberal than straight white people. Frankly, if they were in the majority of voters we'd not only have a much fairer and more equitable country, we'd also have achieved many of the things you proclaim to favor, many years ago.

Asking them whether they have Stockholm Syndrome is both homophobic and racist, in my opinion. The real question is why straight white people vote so conservative. In case you haven't noticed, they are the republican base.

I'm amazed your post made it by a jury here. And if you bother reading replies here, I think you should be ashamed of yourself for making this post, and should apologize.

If you cannot understand why some liberals might favor Clinton and some might favor O'Malley and some might favor Sanders, then you are not only not doing your proclaimed candidate any favors, but you need to educate yourself on African American and LBGT history.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
302. Well said
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:04 PM
Oct 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
322. Well said...nt
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:44 AM
Oct 2015

Sid

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
304. We shouldn't judge the OP by his worst moment./nt
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
305. If this were the only example
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:01 PM
Oct 2015

I would agree with you.

It isn't...

Besides, he could have deleted this in all this time. He chose not to bother.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
313. It's not the first time, so we will judge away. But thanks!
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

JI7

(89,172 posts)
315. if it was just a one time thing you may have a point, but this has been going on for a long time
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:24 AM
Oct 2015

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
307. why do poor whites vote republicon? maybe they have stockholm syndrome too
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

i actually that reality has caused more problems for america than anything else.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
308. I'm poor, white, 40+ and I dont even need one hand to count the number of times I have
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:39 PM
Oct 2015

voted for a republican in an election because most of them are assholes.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
309. I agree! nt
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
311. kick
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:55 PM
Oct 2015

I actually don't take to much to shaming people but the OP, those who recced this piece of shit post, and some of the commenters here need to be shamed...although, I doubt that they have any true sense of shame.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
312. people recced this POS? UGH.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:09 PM
Oct 2015

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
314. daily kick
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:01 AM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
316. kicking before I retire tonight.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:23 AM
Oct 2015

I'll do it first thing in the morning too.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
326. kicking again
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

just because

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
331. Here's another
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:51 PM
Oct 2015

Kick

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
317. Being gay, I do support Bernie.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:11 AM
Oct 2015

But that's not entirely why. I also agree with his other social and economic policies.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
318. Time for another Trip Down Memory Lane W/ Willy: Feb 2015 "we're called Reagan Democrats..."
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:27 AM
Oct 2015

"Apparently, If One Voted For Reagan, They Were Anti-Gay...
Really ???

REALLY ???

So it had nothing to do with money/taxes/RW Philosophy ???

I got some info for ya... They we're called Reagan Democrats..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231263




Reagan Democrats using LGBT as a wedge. It's not even original.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
319. Thank you. The horrible gift that keeps on giving, that refuses to not keep on giving. nt
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:24 AM
Oct 2015
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
323. When he started his crusade months ago, I tried to remind him that he'd advocated for Republicans
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

and for treating them kindly and that his lack of reason toward other Democratic voters was not reflecting his usual 'let's all be nice to the other Party' posts. I thought maybe he'd remember his better angels and cut the baiting and hating.....

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
335. I wonder why it's easy to be nice to Republicans but not to Democrats.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:32 PM
Oct 2015

Whatever could be the difference? What is it that so enrages some people? Hmmmmm. I think I could hear a lot of good observations about this over at the tavern.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
321. without even clicking on the link you provided
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:41 AM
Oct 2015

I bet he was sticking up for Elizabeth Warren and her republican past!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
324. Mostly he was shouting at LGBT for daring to so much as ask about her past.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Oct 2015

'Don't question my chosen one!'

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
325. kick. nt
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:46 AM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
327. kick
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

letting the sunshine in

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
329. Oh, come on, lay off WillyT! He spends a lot of time in taverns, so he says.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
333. kick
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:14 PM
Oct 2015

hopefully this gets off better than Michigan punter's kick on Saturday.

markpkessinger

(8,381 posts)
334. I am gay, and support Bernie
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:03 PM
Oct 2015

But my support for Bernie over Hillary has less to do with Bill's signing of DOMA than with Hillary's own long-standing ties to Wall Street and her recent dishonesty regarding her past support of the TPP,

That said, it is important to remember what really happened surrounding DOMA. At the time, Republicans were threatening to introduce a constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between one man and one woman. And there was some concern at the time that such an amendment might actually pass. By agreeing to sign DOMA, the Clinton administration got Republicans to back away from their threat of introducing a constitutional amendment. Had such an amendment been introduced and passed, we would not have attained marriage equality when we did, because at that point, it would have required passing another amendment to repeal the one defining marriage -- a far bigger hurdle than winning at the Supreme Court! Even though everybody hated it at the time, it was the best among a set of bad options and, in the long run, enabled us to achieve marriage equality more quickly than we otherwise would have been able to achieve it.

There are many issues on which the Clinton administration is fully deserving of our scorn, but DOMA isn't really one of them.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
336. Kick
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:13 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
337. kick
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
338. kick
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:05 PM
Oct 2015

the author of this very thread has the unmitigated gall to accuse someone of expressing disdain.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
347. let me give this a little push
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:23 AM
Oct 2015

before I retire for the evening.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
348. Kicking this bullshit up. (sorry, no passive-aggressive emojis) nt
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:28 AM
Oct 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
349. To bump and preserve.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:37 AM
Oct 2015
WillyT

And BTW... Could The African American Community, And The LGBTQ Folk Clue Me In ???


Why in the hell would you vote/support a candidate who supported her husband who went after Queen Latifa, and fucked the program formerly known as "Welfare".

And...

Promoted DOMA, and Don't Ask Don't Tell.

Did EVERYONE have a mass evolution ???

Is it political expediency...

Is it Stockholm Syndrome ???



Bernie has ALWAYS had your back.

HRC... not so much.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
350. ...
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:38 AM
Oct 2015

Gross.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
352. Kicking this thread because it needs to be read again and again!
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:07 PM
Oct 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
353. I got Stockholm Syndrome after a traumatic afternoon lost in Ikea...nt
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:41 PM
Oct 2015

Sid

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
354. I'm Black, and couldn't care less about what Bill said about Sistah Souljah
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

For one, the Presidential election is an election where 100-150 million people are voting for 2 candidates. Demanding ideological purity in that situation is unrealistic and politically immature.

Also, what the wide, wide world of sports does something Bill said in 1992, or a law that was passed in 1996 has to do with Hillary?

What, was Monica Lewisky her fault too?

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
357. Let's kick for visibility!
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:32 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
358. kick
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:23 PM
Oct 2015

it's that time.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
359. Kicking this garbage.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

Just to make sure it's seen...

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
360. kick
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:19 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
361. Hey, you kicked it right after I did!
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:44 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
362. kick
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:51 PM
Oct 2015

since the OP wants to be at the top of the charts

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
363. kick
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:16 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
366. this will stay at or near the top of the page
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:49 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
367. kick
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:08 AM
Oct 2015

'cause this damn fool doesn't get it.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
368. Good night, everyone.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:30 AM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
371. Good morning!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:55 AM
Oct 2015

Hope you had a good night's sleep!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
369. Kick to expose racism and homopohobia...nt
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:40 AM
Oct 2015

Sid

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
370. Hard, swift kick. nt
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:34 AM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
372. this entire thread deserves a swift kick
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:32 PM
Oct 2015
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
373. Is this the type of 'hard, swift kick' everyone's talking about?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
374. whistle
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:56 PM
Oct 2015

and in this case, a dog-whistle...shit, this ain't a dog whistle, this is an air-raid siren.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
375. Is that the same as a kick?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
376. well, I'm kicking up dog-whistles
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:33 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
377. Are you still kicking?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:09 PM
Oct 2015

i can't tell...I have Stockholm Syndrome.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
378. and Bernie is the cure for SS, I guess...but you know what...well...Miss Ross said it best
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="

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Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
379. kick
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:07 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
380. This kick is 2 hours old.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:57 AM
Oct 2015

Let's try and stay current, please.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
381. All this talk about Stockholm, now I have Smorgasbord Syndrome.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:56 AM
Oct 2015

I can't stop thinking about a nice big smorgasbord, and that fabulous cod roe, Kallas Kaviar, and all the other delicious Scandahoovian things in tubes like shrimp or smoked salmon mayonnaise, with or without dill. This thread is making me hungry.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
382. ...kick
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:46 AM
Oct 2015

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
383. Kick.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:57 AM
Oct 2015

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
384. I see this thread is still going strong
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

mission accomplished...

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
385. Yup.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:03 PM
Oct 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
386. IBTL?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:13 AM
Oct 2015
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
417. I hope not.....this is too delicious. Nt
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:32 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
387. This thread is still around?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:06 AM
Oct 2015

I'm not gonna kick it.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
389. Thanks for setting me "straight!"
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

What would gay folk do without kind straight folk like you taking the time to tell us how to vote.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
393. Be sure to pick up your complimentary "I'm the right KIND of non-heterosexual" t-shirt...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

...on the way out. And don't forget to register for the free "Stockholm Syndrome Reprogramming" raffle being held right now!!!!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
396. Lol! The right kind.... Grateful. I'm grateful to be set straight.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:23 PM
Oct 2015

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
392. Also, another incorrect statement in your OP:
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

Bill Clinton didn't "promote" DOMA or DADT. That makes it sound like they were his ideas. Both were compromises that he supported because it was clear that the Republican dominated Congress had the votes to pass far worse legislation.

In fact, Clinton tried to allow gays to serve openly in the military. I remember a lot of Democrats mocking him for this and calling him naive and arrogant. He had zero support for this in the DoD. DADT was an improvement on the previous situation.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
398. Kick for the weekend!
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:19 PM
Oct 2015

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
399. Ah geez... really?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

this is such a sad OP

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
400. Stockholm Syndrome - Muse - Glastonbury 2004
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:27 PM
Oct 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
401. I don't think Willy will ever live this down./nt
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
404. It's rediculous...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015

As is the wad of cash image posted recently. Rediculous and over the top is the new norm.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
413. I Wouldn't Count On It...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:09 PM
Oct 2015


Thanks for a record setting thread, though!




betsuni

(25,122 posts)
414. Yes, we count on you for broken record threads -- always the same thing over and over.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 06:53 AM
Oct 2015

(Passive-aggressive emoji and MLK quote goes here.)

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
402. I think there were and still are more important issues than a Sistah Soulja moment.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:58 PM
Oct 2015

Most black people never even heard of Bernie Sanders until recently so "always had your back" doesn't ring a whole lot of bells. Clinton made a similar decision about Sistah Soulja that Obama made about Rev. Wright. While a lot of blacks didn't like these decisions most understood what needed to be done to get into office.
Clinton never was able to keep his promise on re-visiting his welfare actions thanks to the impeachment move. His support of or at least his failure to attack "three strikes" is the most unforgivable move to me.

That being said, Bill Clinton is not the candidate and I do believe Hillary is her own person and will be even more so if she ever gets to the WH.

When Bernie takes his swipes at Hillary and he will and he does, I won't hold it against him...he is running in a campaign. Just realize that Hillary is running too.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
574. Posting Privileges Revoked-Kelliekat44...note the reasons for the PPR:
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

Nov 16, 2015-
Posted an OP claiming that the terrorist attacks in Paris were an effort to distract the public from the crimes of Jewish bankers. Posted link to disgusting antisemitic website to support this theory.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292436&sub=trans



Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
403. Kick.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:05 PM
Oct 2015

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
405. It is possible to support your candidate without tearing down another democrat.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
407. Apparently not.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:59 AM
Oct 2015

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
408. discussion needs to be seen
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 02:59 AM
Oct 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
409. Remember, kids: evolution is BAD.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:03 AM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
410. I'm not kicking this. n/t
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015
 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
411. Yeah, I dunno about this
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

I think it's fine if not essential to talk about race but it's a bit distasteful to challenge all members of some group to defend their positions because you think you have a better handle on how policy affects them than they do.

I think we're better served by listening to people's views than telling them what they should be.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
412. It's Saturday.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

I like Saturday.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
415. Wow, it's Sunday already?
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

Sunday kick.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
419. this thread needs a swift kick.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:51 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
420. kick
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:21 PM
Oct 2015

'cause someone asked "what does WillyT have to do with this?"

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
421. Kick so this can sit next to the OP's latest.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:36 PM
Oct 2015

I see a pattern....

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
425. Me too.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:05 AM
Oct 2015

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
422. Kick .
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:49 PM
Oct 2015

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
424. KICK
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:43 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:53 AM - Edit history (1)

the gall of WillyT to throw out a Dr. King quote in light of this OP of his is stunningly unmitigated.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
426. You'll get a hide for that, I'd edit it.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:05 AM
Oct 2015

Don't let them silence you.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
428. No...let "them" hide it.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

Mild profanity is more insulting than this piece of crap OP?...in DU-land, I guess so.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
429. I got a hide for pointing out a post existed tonight...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:14 AM
Oct 2015

I'd edit it, you have three don't give them the opportunity to give you a fourth. It's not worth it.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
436. Agree!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:32 PM
Oct 2015

RandySF

(57,598 posts)
427. It's a good thing I've followed Bernie's career for the last 26 years.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:11 AM
Oct 2015

I know that many of his supporters are not a reflection of the man, himself.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
433. When Obama was running his supporters were often very negative toward LGBT and we had no
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:14 AM
Oct 2015

26 years to look at. We had to look at Barack Obama like sane adults. I had input from my cousin who knew him from Illinois and her insights into his potential and his methods were as always very accurate and helpful to me in selecting Obama in 08, but if I had gone by his supporters on DU or in other internet places I'd never have voted for him.
This is not something I'd bring up save for the fact of the current times.
I'm not going to play 'forget the past' to serve people who were unfriendly in 08. This cycle, same as the last.
I say I was right to ignore nasty comments made 'for Obama' and to instead look at Obama himself. Others are of course free to be patsies and allow themselves to be played by random pixels on the internet.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
437. Exactly. Lots of trolls.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
438. True. n/t
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:26 AM
Oct 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
525. Indeed. nt
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:25 AM
Nov 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
430. IBTSD?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:25 AM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
431. final kick
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:51 AM
Oct 2015

good night, everyone.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
432. BTW kick
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:20 AM
Oct 2015

RandySF

(57,598 posts)
434. Kick
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:23 PM
Oct 2015

Just to show everyone teh stupid.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
435. A new week!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:28 PM
Oct 2015

A new kick!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
439. Kick to expose racism and homopohobia...nt
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:00 AM
Oct 2015

Sid

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
440. ick. nt.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
441. The OP continues to post baiting OP's aimed at minority issues.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:51 PM
Oct 2015

DU has disappointed me greatly with this.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
442. I have a new signature line
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:54 PM
Oct 2015

FWIW, initially prompted by the OP, but implemented in solidarity of Bravenak's signature line.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
451. Hey!!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:13 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
445. A kick for all the sad souls with Stockholm Syndrome.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:12 PM
Oct 2015

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
446. Many of my neighbors apparently have Stockholm Syndrome and I had no clue!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:06 PM
Oct 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
449. You still have it incorrect.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015
OnEdit: Sister Soulja, Not Queen Latifa.



It's Sister Soulja(h)!!!

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
452. kick.....
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
455. I just noticed that after the many revisions it is still incorrect.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:55 AM
Oct 2015
OnEdit: Sister Soulja, Not Queen Latifa.



Sister Soulja(h)

Queen Latifa(h)



With all due respect, perhaps you should eschew the comfortable, reach out, and learn more about the cultures you wish to opine on.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
456. Kick because the moon is full.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:09 AM
Oct 2015

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
457. I keep looking in this thread in the hope that Wily T will engage the accusations against him.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:59 AM
Oct 2015

Still hoping....

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
458. kick. nt
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
461. kick
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

because water is wet.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
467. it is in my best interest (at the present time)
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:10 AM
Oct 2015

to give this OP a swift kick

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
468. and...time for bed
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:12 AM
Oct 2015

good night, everyone.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
469. Kick because night cheese makes me gassy.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:51 AM
Oct 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
471. Kick. nt.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:18 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
472. needs an evening kick
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
473. kickety-kick-kick
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:34 PM
Oct 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
474. last kick of the night (morning)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:27 AM
Oct 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
475. I get a kick...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:45 AM
Oct 2015

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
480. .
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:11 AM
Oct 2015


Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
477. time for a late morning kick
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:43 PM
Oct 2015

as strong as my cup of java

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
478. Have a great weekend!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
479. Kick. n/t
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:56 AM
Oct 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
481. Thanks For Helping Me Break All The Rules... And The Records...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:25 AM
Oct 2015

We are really, really close now.






 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
498. Since you said records, here's a 45 with your name on it...
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:14 AM
Nov 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
482. LOL !!! - Kick...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:34 AM
Oct 2015



 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
487. True colors n/t
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:53 AM
Oct 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
489. Right?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:10 PM
Oct 2015
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
483. :evilgrin:
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:05 AM
Oct 2015



 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
484. Last Kick From Me...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:47 AM
Oct 2015

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
485. G'Night...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:04 AM
Oct 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
486. A spider spinning his web for the unwary fly. The blood is the life ... .
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:04 AM
Oct 2015

ismnotwasm

(41,917 posts)
490. I didn't realize he was kicking his own thread
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:38 PM
Oct 2015

That's pretty funny.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
491. Spooky Halloween kick!
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:00 AM
Nov 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
492. I was at the tavern and they told me this thread is still being kicked.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:53 AM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
493. Stockholm Syndrome would be a great name for a tavern!
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:23 PM
Nov 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
494. kick...just 'cause
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
495. Kick to highlight racism and homopohobia on DU...nt
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:43 PM
Nov 2015

Sid

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
496. Kick!
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 11:47 PM
Nov 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
497. All Saints' Day kick
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 08:31 AM
Nov 2015

Yet he stayed in hall with Arthur till All Saints' Day,
When Aurthur provided plentifully, especially for Gawain,
A rich feast and high revelry at the Round Table.
The gallant lords and gay ladies grieved for Gawain,
Anxious on his account; but all the same
...
He rode far from his friends, a forsaken man,
Scaling many cliffs in country unknown.
He found a foe in front of him, except by a freak of chance,
And so foul and fierce a one that he was forced to fight.
So many marvels did he meet in the mountains,
It would be too tedious to tell a tenth of them.
He had death-struggles with dragons, did battle with wolves,
Warred with bulls and bears and boars at other times,
And ogres that panted after him on the high fells.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
499. Why hasn't the seminal poster corrected the spelling of these two women's names
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:28 AM
Nov 2015
OnEdit: Sister Soulja, Not Queen Latifa.


Why hasn't the seminal poster corrected the spelling of these two women's names when it has been repeatedly pointed out to him he spelled them incorrectly.

Thank you in advance.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
504. Not sure why.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:22 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe the poster finds all these black names too crazy to spell properly?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
506. If somebody spells my name wrong after I corrected him or her I start to believe it's intentional.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:49 AM
Nov 2015

EOM

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
507. Well, they claimed to have used the "google"
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

so you may be right.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
509. Well, I'm sure the poster has their reasons.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
510. They also don't look remotely alike unless...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:21 PM
Nov 2015

EOM

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
501. I almost forgot to kick this. I think we can get it to a thousand!! And beyond!!!
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:42 PM
Nov 2015

randys1

(16,286 posts)
502. You still havent answered why you are so intent on NOT loving Bernie
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
503. I will never tell!
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:51 PM
Nov 2015

If they keep it up I'll be a republican by spring who crosses over for Hillary. They are stupid. I hate it.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
520. Ick!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:22 AM
Nov 2015

and I mean that

I couldn't believe this thread popped to the surface again, and then I saw how many were giving it an ass-kicking.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
505. .
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:42 AM
Nov 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
513. kick
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:24 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
514. So, are you satisfied with the answers?
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
517. I'm neither AA nor gay, but if I were one or both, I would be offended by your condescension.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

Stockholm Syndrome ???

You have gone off the rails, buddy.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
518. Kick to save you the trouble of kicking it yourself.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:16 PM
Nov 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
519. kick
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:49 AM
Nov 2015

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
521. Playoffs?!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:52 AM
Nov 2015

Stockholm Syndrome?!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
534. Classic. nt
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nov 2015
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
522. Evening kick.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:19 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
523. I join you!
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:28 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
524. Ok. n/t
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:31 PM
Nov 2015
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
526. Gay here - and I just don't trust her.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:54 AM
Nov 2015

She's a follower, not a leader. If she had come out in support of LGBT equality absent any polls, I would trust her. But she didn't. Clinton never took a position before at least three focus groups told her it was safe to take it.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
527. Oh look, this racist piece of shit is still out here.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:04 AM
Nov 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
528. Kicked for massive proud eternal stupidity.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:21 AM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
529. Kick. n/t
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:36 AM
Nov 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
531. Oh well...may as well kick it
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:56 AM
Nov 2015

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
538. Might as well,
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:46 PM
Nov 2015

since this racist homophobic jibber jabber still stands here with no apology.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
532. Seems like you got some good answers.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:29 PM
Nov 2015
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
533. Indeed. nt
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 10:34 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
535. Or maybe not...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:50 PM
Nov 2015

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
536. The fact that this thread exists is a stain on DU.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 07:18 PM
Nov 2015
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
544. WillyT had plenty of opportunities to delete it.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:43 AM
Nov 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
537. Sister Souljah and Queen Latifah are still spelled incorrectly.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:33 PM
Nov 2015

EOM

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
539. May.As.Well.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:35 AM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
540. May as well...what?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 12:14 PM
Nov 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
541. Kick it, of course
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
542. Doh!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:05 PM
Nov 2015

I should've known that!

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
543. Sister Souljah was a race-baiting POS
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:17 AM
Nov 2015

She didn't speak for most black people.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
545. The OP is still open and still incredibly offensive to multiple groups of people.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:44 AM
Nov 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
546. OnEdit: Sister Soulja, Not Queen Latifa.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:45 AM
Nov 2015

OnEdit: Sister Souljah, Not Queen Latifah.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
547. Still floored by this. nt.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
548. let me kick this m-f'en thread R-A-T now
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 06:47 PM
Nov 2015

as a matter of fact.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
550. Me too!!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

GMTA!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
549. Hola!!!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

Still up? Tsk tsk!

MineralMan

(146,190 posts)
551. Why does this misbegotten thread still exist?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:15 PM
Nov 2015

Please self-delete it and end the misery.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
615. Yet DU returns to business and this thread is back up, too. Yike. nt
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 01:59 PM
Dec 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
552. Kick...and I ain't lettin' this off the hook
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:22 AM
Nov 2015

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="

" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
553. Kick...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

in light of Chitown Kev's MLK thread.

Sid

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
554. Man, that's some shit. Ain't it WillyT?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:00 AM
Nov 2015

Not a single poster I've read on this thread who disagrees with your OP has responded in any way except with emotion. This tells me you hit a nerve.

If I was a Hillary supporter who was also AA and/or LGBT, I'd pay attention.

Wow. Talk about a wake-up call.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
555. Totally sincere "apology" now available here:...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:10 AM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
559. I love a good doubling down!
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:38 PM
Nov 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
560. Especially when it also exposed another poster
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

unintentionally.

Too funny.

brooklynite

(93,840 posts)
561. Translation: "how can you people be so stupid as to not support MY candidate?"
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
562. Exactly!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:47 PM
Nov 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
563. Time for another kick...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:57 PM
Nov 2015

since the seminal poster has now become an MLK expert.

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
564. Morning kick in response to the latest bit of nonsense...nt
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:48 AM
Nov 2015

Sid

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
567. Thanks For All The Kicks, Guys !!! - Record-Breaking !!!
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:18 PM
Nov 2015

You continuously Prove The Point...

Happy Thanksgiving !!!




SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
568. If anyone thought your many MLK threads were genuine...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:20 PM
Nov 2015

they only have to see this thread to know how wrong they are.

Sid

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
569. Yup.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:10 AM
Nov 2015

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
565. Time for a new kick.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 07:53 AM
Nov 2015

Response to WillyT (Original post)

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
570. And BTW, kick for cluelessness.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:13 AM
Nov 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
576. Cluelessness...
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 12:21 PM
Nov 2015

Nailed it.

Sid

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
577. I don't agree.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:31 PM
Nov 2015

Poster knows EXACTLY what they're doing...

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
584. Yes, you are right. It's deliberate. He knows what generates those sweet sweet clicks.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:32 AM
Dec 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
571. Still up? I better go find another MLK article to disabuse folks of these notions.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:32 PM
Nov 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
572. Moar "My best friend is (fill in the minority)!!!111!!! You ALWAYS haz their back!
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:36 AM
Nov 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
575. Cannot believe this is still up
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:57 PM
Nov 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
579. Right?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:48 PM
Dec 2015

Not that shocking when you think about it...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
608. That's because some people
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:00 PM
Dec 2015

know no shame.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
573. Kicking for the Norman Rockwellness of it all.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:19 AM
Nov 2015

Nothing like the soft glow of nostalgic bigotry. Makes it more appealing and progressive.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
578. Kick.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 11:48 PM
Nov 2015
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
581. I won't be turned away from Sanders because of idiotic posts by his supporters.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:58 PM
Dec 2015

I can read between the bullshit and pull out actual facts for perusal.

But I have to say...as relentlessly negative and mean-spirited as some of these supporters are, I start to fervently hope that their candidate loses because if he wins, we will witness something even worse than relentless negativity and mean-spiritedness. Something like having Steve Martin's The Jerk appointed as your new boss.

And I don't want that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
582. Well, I think we'd see a lot of excitement like...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
583. In case you missed it...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015


Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
585. Kicking in light of yet another MLK thread from the seminal poster...nt
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:55 PM
Dec 2015

Sid

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
586. DUs resident MLK expert!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:25 PM
Dec 2015

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
587. Kicking this up a notch!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:28 PM
Dec 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
588. For your grandaughter!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:35 PM
Dec 2015

Kick! And my daughters! Kick!!

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
590. And my four great nieces!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:54 PM
Dec 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
593. He really should delete this.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:25 PM
Dec 2015

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
594. He absolutely should.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:31 PM
Dec 2015

Doesn't look like it's going to happen, though.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
595. Sad. I strongly dislike everybody who recd this nightmare
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:44 PM
Dec 2015

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
596. I can't imagine why anyone would if they had read it and understood the implications.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:55 PM
Dec 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
597. They lack integrity.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:57 PM
Dec 2015

I also strongly dislike all who pump him up by reccing his continuation threads.
The double tripple dipple downs are almost worse than the original. He does it as a swipe against the black community and they just keep him going. Like high school.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
599. IMO, the repetition is pointless.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:04 PM
Dec 2015

I roll my eyes every time. Of course, high school was a very looooong time ago for me.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
600. Gawd, I know.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:06 PM
Dec 2015

I remember when he told sheshe he did stuff like this for recs.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
604. I remember that, too.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

That was, shall I say, enlightening?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
606. Very damn revealing.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

randys1

(16,286 posts)
601. That is EXACTLY what it is...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:15 PM
Dec 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
603. They know it too.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:26 PM
Dec 2015

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
607. True.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dec 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
589. Kick -- it's always something.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:02 PM
Dec 2015

brooklynite

(93,840 posts)
591. Here's a suggestion...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

If you want to find out what real voters in either group think, don't ask here.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
592. Or maybe don't ask it in such a fucking insulting way.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

That might help as well...

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
598. My own reason - as a gay man.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

DADT was a WONDERFUL thing when it happened. I joined the US Navy in 1989 (several years before DOMA). I remember my first trip to MEPS in New Orleans to see what kind of job in the Navy I'd qualify for. I will never forget the grilling, and repeatedly being asked if I was gay? Did I fantasize about having sex with men? Have I ever had sex or sexual contact with anyone of the same sex?

Then, that first week in Orlando boot camp.. all those same grilling questions. Then some weeks into boot camp there was this thing they called "the moment of Truth" where they threatened the shit out of you before asking all of those questions again. It was horrible. Too many forget that DADT didn't start the discrimination against us, it was the first step ever taken to stop that discrimination. The US, and the military was not ready to have us serve openly. Almost overnight, I wasn't accepted with open arms, but I was no longer being hunted like an animal. I was also saved from the horrible "other than honorable" or "Bad conduct" discharge that was pretty automatic prior to DADT. After DADT, if you did come out, you could at least depart with an honorable discharge (depending on your service record) You say I should not want to vote for Clinton because of this? This is a fairly big part of why I'm voting for her.

DOMA was a different creature. It most definitely did NOT benefit us. Do you really not remember the atmosphere in the 90's? Everyone was still scared shitless of us. I remember people in power, openly in interviews blaming us for everything from AIDS to the moral decline of America. It was disgusting. There was a major push going on by the far right of the time to, not just get legislation passed, but a full Constitutional Amendment passed. When DOMA was enacted it was still fairly premature to say that the Constitutional Amendment would have passed, but it was a very fair assessment to believe that it was a very real possibility.

If DOMA was a constitutional amendment instead of a law, then today I would still not be married to my Husband as the SCOTUS would have had no authority to override the amendment. So, while a full "thank you" to the Clintons would be overstating it (IMO at least), placing too much blame on them for it isn't exactly the correct thing to do either.

On your second part, you are right about Bernie always having our backs, but Bernie's never been in the position where having our backs could have written discrimination into the constitution either. His vote on DOMA was safe, it was going to pass with or without him.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
618. Well thank you much for those links! I wish that Lamda Legal in New Orleans, Lafayette,
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

and Baton Rouge Louisiana would have had access to those links back in the 90's. It would have so put our minds at ease that we had nothing to worry about!

You'll have to pardon me if your cute little links don't mean shit to me compared to my experiences living through it. That the amendment would have passed was not a guarantee, but that it did have a chance of passing was absolutely possible with the political atmosphere and the way people expressed themselves towards us back in the 90's.

However, since you DID take the time to dig up links to argue my direct experience and point of view.. from your own link:

However, after Congress had passed the bill with enough votes to override a presidential veto,[29] Clinton signed DOMA. Many years later, he claimed that he did so reluctantly in view of the veto-proof majority, both to avoid associating himself politically with the then-unpopular cause of same-sex marriage, and to defuse momentum for a proposed Federal Amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning same-sex marriage

merrily

(45,251 posts)
619. Yes, you are quoting the lie to me. There was no danger. If nothing else, read the wiki.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:58 PM
Dec 2015

"Cute" liinks?

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
616. Thank you for having lived the history, & ty for not letting others rewrite that history
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:04 PM
Dec 2015

Thanks for your post.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
625. That was an amazing 1st hand read of the trials the gay military people had to go through b4 DADT
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 02:20 PM
Dec 2015

I had family (still trying to determine orientation) that was trying to enlist out of highschool...and were non too gently dissuaded and practically escorted out of the recruiting offices. DADT wasn't a fix...the nations population wasn't overwhelmingly ready. But I've been around the block often enough to realize it starts with a wedge being placed in the doorway. Prying that doorway all the way open has always been incremental. Politicians reacting to their constituency, needed to have that constituency mature and evolve. And eventually they did...in huge, huge numbers.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
609. So the OP created yet another MLK thread....and linked to a far right fascist website....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:00 PM
Dec 2015

greatauntoftriplets

(175,694 posts)
611. Oy.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 11:41 AM
Dec 2015
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
612. Uggggh. n/t
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:19 PM
Dec 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
614. Shocked. Shocked I am...nt
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 12:31 PM
Dec 2015

Sid

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
617. I think this thread is giving me Stockholm Syndrome...
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
610. Kick redux.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:48 AM
Dec 2015

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
620. It is racist to assume that the most important issue to African Americans is welfare
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:47 AM
Dec 2015

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
621. I haven't given this a swift kick
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:18 PM
Dec 2015

since I've been back...may as well do it now.

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
622. So this racist bullshit stays up, hunh?
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:24 AM
Dec 2015

Along with all of the racist ignorant fools who agree with the 'beloved' OP...f'ing sad..

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
623. Kick.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

For posterity.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
624. kick
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 02:05 PM
Dec 2015
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
626. She seems more in tune with their interests
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 02:52 PM
Dec 2015

She may not be, when it comes to policy and executive decisions, but many "minority" voters, particularly black voters, get a good vibe from her. They believe they can trust her to do the right thing when it's time to throw down. I hope they're right.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
627. A kick for the holidays!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:20 AM
Dec 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
628. Kick
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:17 PM
Dec 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
629. Stopping by to check out the rec commend list.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

Merry Christmas.

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
631. kick
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 04:57 AM
Dec 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
633. Think the op has been clued in? nt.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
632. Kickety. nt
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
634. .
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:58 AM
Dec 2015

.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
636. wow
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
637. Still needs a clue n/t
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jan 2016

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
638. Still wonderin' huh? nt
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
639. This OP got 47 recs... that's just sad... so sad
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
640. I like to see it as enlightening. Read all the related OPs since in light of this one. nt
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jan 2016

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
641. Thank you for saying it...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jan 2016

I just don't understand support for her.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
642. It's Weird SoapBox... For Those I ACTUALLY Hurt, I Am Sorry... And Tried to Explain Myself...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jan 2016

But once the swarm came, and they laughed because I Mention my AA nephew, a 2nd Grader, I was done.

There was no longer a "Discussion" to be had.

I was approached by a friend who thought the attacks were unfair, and that maybe I should take the post down.

I gave him my reasons why that would not do any good...

Copy and paste

Screen-Shot

And others...

And I suggested to that friend, that I would let it stand because it might be used as a DU barometer.

And it has...

When I strike a certain nerve, with a certain post... it comes back up.

I also suggested that it would say more about the posters than it says about me.

(Check out today's posts, starting with "wow"... after that poster has hung onto this thread for months.)

In short... there was rapidly, very little discussion to be had.

Yet it still informs the shit out of me to this day.




Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
643. The truth hurts sometimes. Amazing that they keep kicking the truth despite the pain it causes them
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jan 2016
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
644. Willy, as another Sanders supporter, I beg you...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jan 2016

Please self-delete your OP. Not only is it offensive, you are hurting Bernie by posting things like this.

Stop. Please. Just STOP.

You're better than this.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
645. Please See Post #642... Two Posts Above...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jan 2016



LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
646. Lest we forget. nt
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jan 2016

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
647. Here is the latest breakdown
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

Eric Holder is doing it because he is a Wall Street sellout.

Aditi Hardikar is doing it because they are paying her a bunch of money.

At least that's what Bernie's diverse supporters have to say.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
648. Kick.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jan 2016
 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
649. kick. n/t
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016


 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
650. Based on many threads posted today, I think this one deserves a refresher nt
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jan 2016

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
651. This thread lives on in infamy.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jan 2016

LoveIsNow

(356 posts)
653. I'm gay and have never supported her.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jan 2016

I imagine her LGBT supporters being the happy, Lexus-driving, HRC-donating, has-enough-money-to-adopt-a-child type of queer people that you see on TV. I live in the real world. I have real-world, working class problems, and I can't afford eight more years of politics as usual.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
654. Can we please spell Sister Soulja(h) and Queen Latifa(h) right.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

Thank you in advance.





Respectfully,
DSB

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
656. Kick. nt
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jan 2016

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
657. Kick
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:34 PM - Edit history (1)

To remind everyone of the Third Way Progressivism of it all.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
658. +1
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016




 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
659. Bernie struggled with minorities in Iowa: Clinton won non-white caucus-goers 58% to 34%
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016
And among the 9 percent of non-white Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa on Monday, Clinton won by a wide margin, 58-34 percent.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/schisms-carve-iowa-contests-leaving-murky-political-calculus/story?id=36656482
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
660. Wow.
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:08 PM
Feb 2016
WillyT (70,805 posts)





And BTW... Could The African American Community, And The LGBTQ Folk Clue Me In ??? [View all]

Last edited Thu Oct 15, 2015, 09:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Why in the hell would you vote/support a candidate who supported her husband who went after Sister Souljah, and fucked the program formerly known as "Welfare".

And...

Promoted DOMA, and Don't Ask Don't Tell.

Did EVERYONE have a mass evolution ???

Is it political expediency...

Is it Stockholm Syndrome ???



Bernie has ALWAYS had your back.

HRC... not so much.
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