2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDr. Jane Goodall flamed online after shaking hands with Hillary.
But today I observed this unfortunate trend extend to another woman I deeply admire, Dr. Jane Goodall. Dr. Goodall's public Facebook page, which is curated by a proxy, posted the above photograph of Dr. Goodall and Hillary Clinton with the following caption:
What followed, then, with no acknowledgement from almost anyone about the actual subject matter of the picture, was a long thread of snarky, hateful comments about Hillary, one more hysterical than the other, calling out the good doctor for her clearly misguided connection to Ms. Clinton. The very first, left by a woman who posted and reposted various iterations of her initial comment, said (and I'm leaving off the poster's name, despite the public status of Goodall's Facebook page):
Civil enough, despite it having zero to do with the photograph, but after that first-to-the-dance-floor comment, and despite Goodall's representative assuring everyone that "Dr. Goodall does not support any US presidential candidate since she is a British citizen and does not have the right to vote in the USA," the thread metastasized into an ugly rant amongst generalized Hillary haters and specific Bernie supporters, with little attention paid to the woman whose page it was, a person who certainly deserved a level of decorum and respect she did not get from those using her thread to politically pontificate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/bernie-bullying-and-other_b_7908216.html
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)the over-the-top behavior of quite a few Sanders supporters.
The complete melt down his supporters had after the first BLM activists disrupted both Sanders AND O'Malley is also a good example of this OTT nonsense.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and read every post, and there was no bullying by Bernie supporters.
There was no over-the-top behavior by Sanders supporters on Jane Goodall's Facebook.
The people that are defending this OP didn't bother to read her Facebook page.
The Bernie supporters referenced her environmental positions that were in conflict with Hillary.
second....this bogus article was written weeks ago, so this OP was nothing more than an attempt to revive the "Bernie supporters are evil" meme.
So, my picture was making light of the seemingly never ending attempts by Hillary supporters
to paint Bernie supporters as mean and bullying.
It was not a false accusation.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You must have amazing flexibility to tolerate the contortions necessary to continue to believe Hillary is the best flag bearer for the Democrats.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Shame on those horrible Sanders supporters. Shame, shame,shame.
RandySF
(58,805 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)HRC supporters are snarky and condescending.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Condescending--- that's their one very common quality that absolutely drives me NUTS.
And not in a good way.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)One of the reasons, besides her constant support of Wall Street, that I don't like Clinton is because she comes across as very condescending.
She acts like she knows everything. I'll admit she's smart and knowledgeable of the issues, but when she speaks about them, she acts like she's the only person in the room who knows the subject matter. Just because I'm not a former First Lady or Secretary of State doesn't mean I'm not aware of what is going on and don't have a reasoned opinion how on how to solve problems.
I was an Obama supporter from the primaries on because she rubs me the wrong way.
I don't even know when she started acting like that. I don't recall her being so condescending when she was First Lady. She seemed intelligent and warm, then. Must be the access to power she now enjoys that has made her that way. Back then, she was just coming into real power from Arkansas, so she was far more humble.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Bernie's had been geared toward large areas where he gives speeches, and he is the only one talking. Clinton has been meeting with congressional Democrats, community leaders, church groups, unions, and voters-- listening to their concerns in order to better represent them. She's discussed, for example, how she came to understand the importance of mental health issues by listening to voters talk about their experiences. The actions of the candidates thus indicate the opposite of your perception. What you describe is a common complaint about women in positions of authority, whether business, the classroom or politics.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a simple contradiction to what is being said, not humble enough, imo.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)when she was First Lady and not seeking a position of authority.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)some kind of woman voice power thing. and fuck the tone
dont want to go look for a picture though that represents the raised arm. just picture it, ok. lol
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)God... I used to stick up for you.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... and he is the only one talking. Clinton has been meeting with congressional Democrats, community leaders, church groups, unions, and voters--"
Doesn't she know what the problems are already? Can she not think of any solutions? Backroom deals and private promises? What about the people?
Do we want a leader or a shrink?
OK..seriously (I wasn't being too serious before) The style of campaigns mean little. It's the content, and what gets people excited. This meeting with reps and listening to their complaints in back rooms is no better, and a little "let's make a deal" compared to a getting out there and addressing the population you will supposedly be governing. There's plenty of time for private "listening tours" after the nomination is decided.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)It's not backyard deals. Some of these meetings have even been on CSPAN. No, how could she know about the array of people's lives and their issues without talking to them? You don't. I don't. We know about our own lives. The only way one learns about other people's experiences is by listening to them.
Politics is not meant to be entertainment or spectacle, like a rock concert. It's personal relationships and constituent service. What you are seeing in the Democratic party that you all decry as favoritism is the result of decades of building relationships. These congress people endorse Clinton because she meets with them and asks for their support, as she meets with the unions and other citizen groups. No one is entitled to support from any single voter, group, or any endorsement. They have to do the work to earn it, and that is precisely what Clinton has been doing. It's completely the opposite of what the other poster described.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)How can you tell?
By the "Um hum's"?
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)where you decided to pretend my comment on how Clinton is running her campaign was an attack on Bernie. I think it's rather sad you chose to take that as an attack. Am I to understand that you think no one should be defending Clinton or saying anything positive about her because it might imply that Sanders is not perfection itself? Are we not allowed to hold any thought that suggests anyone but Bernie Sanders does anything positive in anyway? Is that why you chose to pretend I had made a series of attacks about Sanders you described as a "meme"?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)how in shape we are. at the starting line, we are already way ahead.
someone telling me i was bad, because i was looking at the likely candidates campaign, IF she wins. how dare i. i am omalley. i am not allowed to like.... look ahead IN CASE clinton wins the nominee. what sense does that make.
i mean, really. literally. what sense does it make for me to not watch what clinton is doing?
anyway... being in sports for two decades, and business, i know that pragmatic, listening, process, allows good choices.
why not.
instead of ignoring dissing trashing
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Is that why the Hillary Group bans anyone who spells her name wrong?
I don't understand why Hillary supporters here think Sanders isn't listening or being pragmatic. He certainly isn't ignoring, dissing, or trashing anyone. Not even Hillary. He was very pragmatic when it came time to vote on going into Iraq.
Maybe you should listen to what he says instead of making up "problems" with his campaign.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i do feminist and lately i have been in AA a lot like.... listening. lol. i did omalley a lot when he irst declared because i wanted to get to know him. now, i do not go in very much.
there are a lot of reasons why non sanders supporters do not feel sadners listens and do not feel he is pragmatic. jsut those two things you siggested, we see very differently. many of us have tried to express it, many different ways. sanders supporters are not receptive. but, that does not mean we are not going to continue to express what we think.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Then why go with a "star"?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it is sweaty, hard work.
i guess that is how we see it differently. i am not dolling myself up to entertain you.
i am going for the win.
problem?
when i have a job, when i buy a business, when i have a race, ... i look, listen, process, strategize.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Are you Hillary?
I still don't know what makes you think these are things Sanders isn't doing.
Hillary's campaign seems more like a show than Sanders'. Sanders sounds authentic.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in sanders. in my book, that is not bad or negative, cause he is a politician after all.
i may be starting an OP about the politician in the authentic sanders. i certainly see it. a lot of fun in it too, ..... cause, i do not take it personally. maybe you do, and that is what sanders people are doing. taking this personally. i do not. i do not assign shit to the candidates either. like
a legend before he has even begun
or
the wicked witch of the east.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I am a woman and am in a position of authority.
So... I guess you're out of line.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)It's that "She deserves it! It's her turn" nonsense.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)she has the same lady (not woman) parts.
rolling eyes. lol
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)What about the women telling you that you are voting just because she's a woman?
Singling out "men" telling you things is a revealing detail. Besides, I've seen many women post (and some men) things like "It's time for a woman president" as their 1st comment on Hillary.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)there just is. gonna argue it? you do it alone.
but yes... there are women that have no problem throwing women on the bus. you are right. i will not/cannot argue that. it is an issue. and our reality in the fight and struggle with men telling us.... because they always come back and say, what about the women that agree with us.
autonomy of our bodies? there are women that agree with us.
ya. that
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Not her TONE. She's condescending. I think I said that. And I'M A WOMAN.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)What it describes is a whole other level, which is also what is happening to Howard Dean. It has also happened to Black Lives Matter and many African American activists in social media, even though they haven't committed the crime of endorsing Hillary Clinton.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No it's about Jane Goodall.... who has nothing to do with the election.... and a few rude people who for some reason Hillary supporters think is really Sanders himself using an alias....or something.
I can't see what it's about except complaining that everybody doesn't worship Hillary.
merrily
(45,251 posts)doesn't make you accurate, only self-righteous and perhaps dishonest.
Then again, double standards are not exactly new to DU.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)So true
Cha
(297,205 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)there's assholes in every corner.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)a personal identity wasn't an option.
merrily
(45,251 posts)(good one, btw)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)this "he isn.t runnning to win" meme is played.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)totally my bad. i missed your bernie tag and the glaringly obvious gs decal.
it has been a bad week. i should be reading only not commenting until i get my shit together, if i can miss something that clear.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It was a funny post about how people pretend they aren't voting for Senator Sanders because his supporters are allegedly so awful. 44
The same people who post that on DU were the same ones I never believed were supporting him anyway. No clue why they pretended to at first, but I never believed them and they never posted like they were supporting him--or even genuinely undecided. They were either lying or concern trolling while posting in support of Hillary. It was transparent then and it still is.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)with friends like that......
Metric System
(6,048 posts)for an onslaught of angry Sanders supporters. I really don't get it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)"Sanders supporters" are not some monolithic army of the Borg, led by a singular dominating source.
It's a collection of people who have decided to support a particular candidate. Some politely and quietly. some rudely., and some varying.
Just like the people who support Clinton or any other candidate.
Sometimes Sanders supporters get over the top. Sometimes Clinton supporters get over the top.
Can't you at least be intellectually honest about that?
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)but I'd go see Hillary speak and shake her hand. I genuinely like Hillary and will vote for her if she wins the primary. But I hope she doesn't.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)fun to go to.
good for you
Cha
(297,205 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)These attacks are getting more subtle by the day
Metric System
(6,048 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)that's why you dragged another stupid fight from another forum to continue here because of his supporters . Cool story .
Metric System
(6,048 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)and also a long history of left bashing. And plotting off board and ganging up. And other less than desirable posting behaviors, esp. for a Democratic site.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a lot of his base are people that have for a lifetime bashed democrats.
now they supporter sanders and du is their site too.
i tried to explain in an OP. not very many people bought it. but it is our reality.
i cannot tell you the number of posts from relatively new posters that say: i am not a democrat but i support sanders.
ya. well. welcome to du
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I'm on a lot of FB, Twitter, and Reddit pro-Bernie feeds and his supporters rarely make comments like that.
Who has a great interest in dividing Dems and sowing dissension? The Koch Brothers and the Republican Party.
RandySF
(58,805 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)In fact, pretty much everyone commenting there seems to be in agreement hat she's a pretty damn great person.
There's one person - one - advocating for Sanders in those posts. That person is quoted in the huffpo article.
There's a lot of anti-Clinton sentiment there though. Also a couple anti-Bernie slaps from Clinton supporters (Or at least, people wearing Hillary avatars)
It's all there. July 30th on Goodall's facebook page.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cha
(297,205 posts)behavior of too many BS supporters.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)His supporters,not so much...
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)feeling like being angry at Hillary!!!! RAWR, SANDERS OR BUST!!!!! This is all thanks to you Hillary supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is truly silly season here at DU.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:57 AM - Edit history (1)
Said about Christ and Christians right?
I stand pat...
As if saying that is anywhere near as "silly" as confemning Jane Goodall for shaking Clinton's hand.
Hekate
(90,681 posts)I appreciated it, though.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I'll post the results, no way this gets hidden.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)On Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Dr. Jane Goodall flamed online after shaking hands with Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251565025
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This post is repeating right wing lies and talking points claiming that "Bernie-Bullies" are harassing people because one person posted a mild comment on celebrity's pubic facebook page. This is a completely sleazy hit piece and doesn't belong on a Democratic site.
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I was number 3
Suich
(10,642 posts)The thread is a hot mess!
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Why do you suppose you're dragging it out today?
Guess we're back to the awful mean Sanders supporters since none of the other shit is sticking.
RandySF
(58,805 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Of July 30...which of course meant nothing to you since you're trying to revive an already tired narrative. Carry on. I'm sure Jane Goodall is doing quite well.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Destroying everyone's lives!
Get a grip.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I was a huge Deaniac! You can go back and check my posts in 04. I still have an enormous amount of respect for what he did for the the party and am disgusted at how they kneecapped him. And I still respect and like him. I don't give a shit whether he endorses Hillary or not. I'm not following him.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's shocking. Shocking I tell you.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)some really soft and delicate feels if it is.
merrily
(45,251 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Alerter was apparently irritated that the linked article referred to Sanders supporters as bullies so they attempted to use the jury system to bully the OP.
But note that it was the linked article saying it, OP poster did not add commentary. That should have precluded any alert or votes to hide.
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Dr. Jane Goodall flamed online after shaking hands with Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251565025
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This post is repeating right wing lies and talking points claiming that "Bernie-Bullies" are harassing people because one person posted a mild comment on celebrity's pubic facebook page. This is a completely sleazy hit piece and doesn't belong on a Democratic site.
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Metric System
(6,048 posts)further proof of the article's claims.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)very little mention of Bernie there when I actually looked at the comments
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)they pointed out differences in Jane Goodall's environmental views and they were not happy with Hillary's view
One post had a picture calling Bernie a dope.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I looked at both her main facebook page, scrolling back to July, and the separate page where the Hillary photo is and it has comments.
There is not any evidence there of "Bullying" by team Bernie or anything like that.
There are some normal facebook comments saying hey support a candidate not another one.
There are some sickening comments too, like you might see on any public web forum, but they aren't connected to Bernie stuff.
Therefore this Huffington blog post is lies.
merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)bullying.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Thry love to target us.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)stirring.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Can't be bullied on Free Republic.
Hillary and her supporters are the minority here, Sanders and his folks have 85% support here, so it's quite easy for them to engage in bullying behavior if they are so inclined, with the jury system that we have being an enabler. A random sample to seat seven jurors will seat six Bernie supporters on each jury on average.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)God forbid there's even one thread without a mention of Sanders.
Even one mourning the losses and devastation caused by Katrina.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7094540
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And then they feel the need to invade us there.
Cha
(297,205 posts)handle that. So they HIDE you.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Response to RandySF (Original post)
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They claim "Bernie-Bullies" but the only evidence they gave was this comment from a public comment board:
That's actually pretty tame and not bullying at all.
The only other stuff in the article is people complaining about "bullying" with no other evidence.
And that so-called "bullying" was one comment out of thousands on a famous facebook page. The Huff-Post blogger, a Clinton supporter, zoomed in on that one facebook comment trying to gin up a fake story about the "Bernie Bullies".
Dirty campaigning.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)plenty of Hillary hate from the Republican GMO people who like Jane's stance on GMO's
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)There is some dumb shit there, but it's not our dumb shit.
The Huffington Post blog piece is just a bunch of lies and bullshit.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)based on posts they hadn't read....from July
This is what actual bullying looks like.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)To give them the benefit of the doubt, they may believe the Huffington Post blog, especially if they are looking for that theme.
There have been times I read something and believed it, then was shown contrary evidence and had to apologize.
But if people are repeating these kind of lies deliberately, knowing it's false, that's just the worst kind of dirty campaigning.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)but I have no patience left for this "bad Bernie supporter" meme.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Why am I not surprised.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)was the 'harshest' post from a Bernie supporter.
Wouldn't you be 'bullied' by that?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,079 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2015, 04:06 AM - Edit history (1)
Like this post in the Bernie Group gleefully (complete with green bouncing booger or whatever that thing is) describing how Howard Dean's Facebook page got hit after he said nice things about Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128045166
And within that thread, a Bernie supporter noted they were "glad" (complete with happy face smilie) that Senator AL Franken got similarly "berned" on his Facebook page after endorsing Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128045166#post5
And yet, when this OP points out a "berning," it gets alerted on. Go figure.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)
One just points out the fact that there was a tsunami of "we support Sanders. It's a disappointment to me you do not Dr. Dean"-like posts
And the other points out the same sorta thing happened to Frankin. Being glad the Sanders supporters support Sanders in spite of the "he can never win" false meme perpetrated by Hillary supporters is not bullying. No one has been forcing anyone to vote either way.
Disagreeing is not bullying. Showing support in spite of contrary endorsements is not bullying.
Apparently, not loving Hillary will all your heart and soul is bullying.... or something.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)That thread egged Sanders supporters on, and they obliged, posting with pride how did added to the attack.
I agree, no one can be forced to vote a certain way. Tell that to the Bernie supporters attacking Dean's Facebook page.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And I still don't see an "attack"
ATTACK:
1.
to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with:
He attacked him with his bare hands.
2.
to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against:
to attack the enemy.
3.
to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4.
to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly:
He attacked his opponent's statement.
5.
to try to destroy, especially with verbal abuse:
to attack the mayor's reputation.
I don't see any "forceful, violent, aggressive, bitter hostilities or abuse" trying to "destroy" Dean. Just a lot of disappointment he's for Hillary. And the criticism doesn't even seem very "severe" or "strong".
Again. disagreeing is not an attack.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Some write snark not meant to "express disappointment" but to mock and accuse Dean, such as this:
Howard, cmon, you can't just say what you really feel? That U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders is the true progressive, like you were in the day? Are you angling for the Sec. Health job or what!!?
Or the lazier ones just post some variant of this:
Sanders/Warren 2016
Wasn't it you who said that you can't force a person to vote a certain way? What is the point of posting "Sanders 2016" on Dean's facebook page, other than as a juvenile attempt to annoy Dean?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Where's the attack?
frylock
(34,825 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)in what he motivates people to do online, which translates into blog posts and big rallies, but not leads in most polls and thus votes. I say Democratic-ish because Sanders is an independent "'Democratic' Socialist," not a Democrat.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)to do anything bad, either online or IRL. C. Bernie is a Democrat or he could not be running for the Democratic nomination. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018753 Most Democratic Socialists ARE Democrats. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12806844
Since the invention of google, finding a fact or two to include in a post shouldn't really be that hard.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)stevil
(1,537 posts)On Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Remind me of DU these days. A contingent of Sanders supporters are making DU suck.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=565088
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This is the type of crap that is tearing du apart. Enough already
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Explanation: I agree with the comment.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This kind of comment is what's making DU suck. There are some nasty folks on both "sides" (and I hate it that there even are "sides" , but it's a small percentage of the total number of posters, and neither "side" has a monopoly on nastiness. This kind of accusation, which is anything but "the truth" as claimed, just makes it all worse, puts people on the defensive and contributes to a generally cranky mood.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is people like this poster that is making DU suck. I'm tired of her constantly stirring the shit pot, then claiming she is the victim.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I was #5 - I don't post much, but I peruse a lot and hrmjustin is one of the most polite posters here. Not impressed with anyone who abuses the site to score a win for their side.
Cha
(297,205 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)What?... that he's no saint? Because the rest of that post is BS.... and accusing without a shred of evidence. So...it was deservedly hidden.
Juror # 7 did hit the nail on the head. Applies post # 60 (the one I'm commenting on) as well. Poor poor put upon Hillary supporters!
Cha
(297,205 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)in giving them a time out . Talk about thinking yourself above reproach . What a pack of snowflakes you come across as .
Cha
(297,205 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)that "Sanders supporters are 1000 times worse in their vitriol towards HRC and her supporters."
Please list what shows this. You'll have to compare "vitriol" from BOTH sides to do it.
And seeing as Justin's vitriol is pretty insulting ("1000 time worse!" you can start there.
Take your time.... there's lots to go thru. You have to categorize "vitriol" to give it a value so you can get to "1000 times".
Cha
(297,205 posts)our candidate.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Response to SwampG8r (Reply #90)
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They are happy to silence those who disagree when it suits them.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)And see all the people Justin has silenced.
I'm loving the 'herp derp all Bernie sanders fault' bullshit though.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)groups, that's not "silencing".
A Bernie supporter alerted his post and 4+ Bernie supporters hid it. That's what happened here. That is bullying and silencing.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)And ban hammered the shit out of anyone who dissented even a tiny bit, regardless of whether it was a SOP violation of the group or not.
You can't say people of non-faith are welcome if you insta ban any that make even a non-aggressive, in some cases not even related to religion post.
Response to stevenleser (Reply #146)
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Or perhaps the board is overwhelmingly pro-Sanders, so a random selection of jurors will tend to also be pro-Sanders and more likely to see a broad brush tarring of all Sanders supporters on this board as a ridiculous over the top violation of whatever remains of our "community standards".
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Why on earth would an "AtheistCrusader" want to crash a prayer circle or an interFAITH group??
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Supposedly people like me were welcome. I got 'in trouble' for two conversations, one in which I criticized a gender-segregated religious event that was being fawned over (borderline criticism of religion, got a 30 day ban and refrained from repeat behavior.)
Second time I had the teremity to ask Justin what 'safety' meant to him. It wasn't even related to religion. (It was about the church shooting three months ago).
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I asked why an "AtheistCrusader" would want to crash a prayer circle or interfaith group.
I haven't spend any time in either one, but I guess I'm just not getting the "why" of it all.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Passive-aggressive question-phrasing games. Ta-ta.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I think I get the picture now.
Mystery no longer.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not fooling anyone.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I see why things ended the way they did.
Apparently, you didn't fool anyone either.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not why I was banned though. Not why all the other atheists were banned and the group is an empty echo chamber now.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Perhaps to see what they are saying about atheists? Maybe?
Religious people go on the Atheist board all the time. In Religion, many a post all about atheists is posted.
And it is hard to "crash" a group that says the faithful AND the non faithful are welcome.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)That's the third fucking post of mine tonight that you've responded to with some kind of nonsense rambling.
Get lost.
rug
(82,333 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Quit wasting electrons.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yes it is.... but where's a mob?
Victim whining can be fascinating too.... especially when it's absurd.
Also, cults of personality are interesting as well..... especially when compared and contrasted with overt religiosity.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Folks who are telling me they support someone because he is finally the progressive they have been waiting for cannot deal with debate about him so they opt to silence folks using the jury system.
Then they turn around and tell us we're not progressive enough.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Are you sure you are reading the same thread I am?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Will have six (5.95 to be precise but that's close enough to 6) of those seven folks have that characteristic
Juror #7 was confused, Justin is a HE.
Nailed it? Hardly...
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, when one whines all the time....
But of course his gender is beside the point.... so what's so funny?
Grasping at anything, relevant or not relevant....
rug
(82,333 posts)Do you have any other misogynist thoughts you want to share?
rug
(82,333 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)there is that good ole fair and balanced
merrily
(45,251 posts)People who want a board where Hillary's supporters are in the majority can post on one, instead of complaining about this one.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Again, the claim that 85% of this board's posters are what makes this board suck could use examination. I can't help you if you can't get that.
And, yes, if someone wants a board where Hillary's supporters are in the majority, they can post on one. What part of that is false, ore even open to debate? Sorry you don't seem to get that either. Seems self evident to me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it is that 80% on the board are pro sanders. and they vote from that position. at least a couple verbally stated that they did not like the fact this member was talking negatively, his experience on du with sanders supporters. and why not. most of us have seen this poster verbally atttacked and mobbed. valid position on an OP with htis very conversation. so what do at least TWO of these people do? take advantage of a momentary power to shut the person up
that is an issue to me.
i find it interesting, with this OP, the discussion, a perfect example of why nationwide, we are looking twice at sanders supporters.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)member 5 of those very hides (a poster that in the past NEVER NEVER got hides) 5 hides and kicked off du. shut up almost totally. i prefer going pms with my many kick offs, i do not apologize for. i talk to ALL kinds of people. about 98% very positive and informative. learning lots and able to share info.
some tell me to shut up. that works for me.
but... this poster, and too many of our longtime posters have literally been kicked off du because this board is mostly sanders supporters
there cannot be an honest sander supporter that does not recognize and at least internally, cringe.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Maybe people of good faith should be looking at the kind of people who generate and spread and rec that kind of bullshit.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and he says, do not believe your lyin eyes, look at post 104
the smart wife says.... ya, whatever.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Your logic often escapes me, too.
Doesn't seem to be much point to these exchanges either. You even found fault with a statement as innocuous and self evident as "Someone who wants to post on board where Hillary supporters are in the majority can post on one. " While bashing Bernie's supporters, no less. And you bring up the OP as a reason to diss Bernie supporters, but claim my pointing out that the OP is bullshit means I'm like a a man having an affair.
Whatever.
I'm out. Enjoy your day.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If it had been a DLC vs. Progressive issue, and Justin called out Progressives for 'making DU suck', one could expect the same outcome from a jury.
It's not necessarily about 'Hillary is evil' or whatever.
Hillary has some blue-dog-democrat like qualities, sanders is hyper-progressive. Both still Democrats, and both are better than the alternative.
If sanders supporters were only saying negative things about Hillary, and Hillary supporters only saying positive things about Hillary and remaining silent on sanders, you might have a point. Problem is, both sides have elements slagging the other. Gonna cause friction.
If you vent about that by attacking the supporters of one side or the other, don't feign innocence when a jury drives a truck through the post.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)You just equated bernie supporters to rightwing loons. That should help.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And yes it's Bernie supporters. They are 85% of DU at this point and almost certainly control 99% if not 100% of jury decisions as a result.
See my #199 above.
and yes I and other Hillary supporters fully expect to get posts hidden from now on for no other reason than we annoyed Bernie supporters.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That's what I'm saying
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)doing so puts one in the nazi category?
antiquie
(4,299 posts)HappyPlace
(568 posts)eom
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...a bunch of whiners right? So disagreeing with the Hillary coronation makes a person "Reich wing"...Right, it's Bernie supporters that are the problem....
Sorry, but who here goes on Fox spews to be used as a punching bag?
Both of those people got booted for not following the rules. Are we all supposed to go Kim Davis on rules we don't like, or is that just for Hillary fans?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)people.
You can raise all the red herrings you want, it won't change that fact.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....keep on flailing pal....
randys1
(16,286 posts)or admins have dispensed of the jury system for the obvious necessary reason, I am stunned, or shaking my head.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)HRMJustin got his hide because he engaged in a baseless broad-brush smear against DU'ers - I've gotten hides for that myself, it's not a conspiracy, it's community standards.
And to the best of my knowledge, Bravenak doesn't support Clinton in the least.
Me, I've gotten hides for posting an image of body art, for taking to task a person who was literally defending Hitler (apparently I was "uncivil" and many other frankly silly things. You learn to live with it.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)As I said upthread, this is getting ridiculous.
Seriously.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)about the poster who unsubscribed to emails from Bernie?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Someone else told me they got the same message when they unsubscribed.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)by sanders that sanders supporters assures me he does not do. you know. like addressing mostly the dmeocratic base that is getting these emails, that if they dare not support him, then it makes the kock supporters. ha ha hah. funny, right? so the non democrat, the independent, that wants the democratic base (i am not buying that one either), is dissing dems.... as a joke. it is an interesting move. one that i think he has misstepped more than once.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=563531
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)a cult.
You have folks who supposedly are on the progressive left and should be for speech and letting people have their opinions instead using the jury system to silence people.
You have those same folks suddenly be against vigorous protest by a discriminated against minority whose members are being killed by police. But suddenly the protesters are the enemy for protesting the object of worship of the cult. These folks would be on the protesters side in every other possible scenario.
And we're just getting started.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)betsuni
(25,516 posts)I guess.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)are posting on the internet.
merrily
(45,251 posts)this thread. Just like that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)hearing this conversation, so shut up with a hide. and off the board one goes. 80% of du is sanders supporters. and they are tired of any conversation that does not shine a pretty lite, so hide that damn post.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the primary race hence far, and at a point saying the advantages to each of the candidates i said, then we have the sanders supporters that are fuckin things up. she was getting a smile before i even finished what i have to say. not on du. .... but she does read a lot of net. she too is well aware of the behavior and she had no qualm owning it. nor does my 17 first time voting, sanders supporting son.
i can tel them it will backfire but they will not believe me. may be one of those lessons learned.
merrily
(45,251 posts)That did not stop anyone from posting more bullshit on this thread without bothering to check if the OP article was true or not, though.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I can certainly understand why you'd want to ignore the fact that the OP article is bullshit, though.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)it is all a giant conspiracy. Nothing to do with incivility at all.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)All those folks were perfect angels, it's all a plot to overthrow DU and assimilate HC supporters.
Resistance is futile.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)postatomic
(1,771 posts)I hope Jane washed her hands after that handshake
Clinton is a cancer to the USA we need her in prison
I would spit in clintons face before I let that animal touch me
PLEASE DR. Goodall PLEASE, do NOT get on the Hillary bandwagon. Please consider Sanders or another independent candidate if you do choose to publicly endorse someone... Hillary is NOT a good choice for this country or for the globe. Her financial backers include Goldman Sachs and Monsanto, etc... she is not to be trusted.
I wouldn't shake hands with Hillary Clinton. She's pro GMO's and pro death.
Two different women with two different mission. One to make world a compassionate place and another one to make war to maintain america's domination.
A wonderful soul shakes hands with the devil. Ew
A genius and a monster
Nooo, don't shake frankenfood Hillary's hand Dr. Jane! Ick
Now I don't know the political leanings of all the people who wrote these horrible things. There's the Rub. It could be a republican or it could be a Sanders supporter. Also; why shit on Dr. Goodalls' facebook page?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Some of those have the definite look and wording of right wing Republicans.
And some look like environmental zealots, regardless of who they might be supporting.
What is offensive about the article and OP is that it is just using one of the messier aspects of the public discourse to imply that Sanders supporters are all abusive monsters.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)What conclusions may or may not be made are up to the individual. You are certainly free to make the assumption that this is an attack on Sanders supporters. I'm not 100% supportive of this contention given the attacks on Dean, Franken, et al. by Sanders supporters. My position is definitely tainted by this.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, how many Sanders support Facebook pages have you been to?
Will you also be adjusting your position on other FaceBook pages, or do the candidates themselves have anything to do with it?
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Small and personal only. No politics.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)riversedge
(70,214 posts)a political point. This is wrong-for all stripes to do this.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Of folks who have no idea what they are talking about ganging up on and bullying people. Very sad.
apnu
(8,756 posts)Doesn't matter where we go, assholes will be found.
frylock
(34,825 posts)In the space of 2 minutes, Bernie is booed by, what appears to be, supporters from rival campaigns; before being greeted by a throng of hundreds of supporters, who sang HAPPY BIRTHDAY to him. Bernie's birthday is today and this was recorded yesterday at the Milford, NH Labor Day parade.
As for who was doing the "booing" I have no idea (while I shot the footage, I was way to busy framing Bernie as he walked and I walked backwards). But the only people around him were supporters from several campaigns who were lining up for the parade.