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This was alluded to by another poster but....

under the law in many, if not most or all, jurisdictions, you can FORCE someone to get mental health treatment if they are in danger of hurting themselves or others. Of course, the criteria are very very strict and you have to prove to the cops and/or the courts that you are telling the truth and that the person, indeed, meets the criteria.

The cops usually know the criteria, it's part of their job. However, as one poster said, the cops are not famous for being kind gentle intervenors in mental health crises (they are simply not trained well, not that they are bad people). Cops are the absolute last resort.

Go to the mental health court in your jurisdiction. It's typically in the county courthouse and everyone working there knows where it is. The clerk there will know which paperwork to fill out and will help you as much as he or she can. You do NOT need a lawyer. Having a lawyer is helpful but NOT NECESSARY. It's not that difficult to do. You just have to learn the paperwork and procedures.

In my jurisdiction, it's called an ex parte procedure, and once your court date is set, you show up with your evidence (usually your testimony verbally) and see if you can bring an extra witness or two. If my memory serves me well, you need to have at least two eyewitnesses to the behavior to meet criteria. However, if that's absolutely impossible to meet, I would imagine the judge would accept only your testimony. You have to remember that this procedure HAS been abused, so you will be viewed very carefully as to your motives.

If anyone has strenous objections to that procedure for civil rights reasons, I'm NOT going to debate them with you. I get it, it is a way of forcing someone to do something. However, it's in the law to protect people from mental illness. Go take the debate to GD, NOT here.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

Emotional abuse, some thoughts

One good thing did come out of my pain today (see another post today): I was emotionally abused by my father. I had absolutely no idea until today. I was a psychotherapist for 20 years until I burned out and retired. For whatever reason, I never learned all of the symptoms. I admit, I did not specialize in emotional abuse. I learned some basic info, but for sure not the whole ball of wax. My therapist told me I was, when I called her up in tears. I do NOT cry easily, at all. Typical 58 year old American male in that one regard.


That site is only a start, of course. It might have inaccuracies. I don't really know, since I'm no expert.

My emotional fragility (which I've spoken about a long time ago) comes directly from the EA as well as emotional neglect. No, I don't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself and bashing my parents (who are now both deceased). Been there, done that, got the lousy T-shirt.

At any rate, DO NOT DIAGNOSE YOURSELF. Talk to a QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL. That means Ph.D or Psy.D or Ed.D psychologist (or the equivalent), a MA or MSW or MS or M.Ed level clinician (or equivalent), a M.D. psychiatrist (or equivalent), an ARNP nurse practicioner (or equivalent), psychiatric nurse (RN, MSN, BSN, DSN, or equivalent), or whatever it is in your country.

I hope this helps at least one fellow sufferer. Best wishes to our group and all lurkers.


Most of Trump's support comes from fascistic and authoritarian-loving dead-enders. Of course, they would vigorously deny both descriptors as they fight, metaphorically, to the last person in the metaphorical May 1945 Reichstag.

Poll: Most effective way (besides in-the-street protests) to make political change happen

I think we all know that being in the street is the most visible and effective way to make change happen. At least that's been my impression over the last 46 years.

Next to that.... what's most effective ?

just a note to fellow group members

The election of Trump really upset and depressed me, to the point where if I read too much political stuff, I get angry and depressed all over again. I'm hopeful I can get past that stage sooner rather than later.

At any rate, I haven't been here much lately. I check my group admin duties once a day for other groups, read a few things, and leave.

My good wishes and support remains for all of you. I'll be back a lot more eventually.


14 Stereotypes About Florida That Need To Be Put To Rest Right Now


for your amusement

I think this site has every state in the country!


Pence will be the "real" President and Trump will take ALL of the credit

Agree ? Disagree ? Other ?

kudos to you for being brave, sir

Hi David,

I know you've probably taken a a huge load of feces for your new policy, but I do think it's the right one. If someone wants unrestricted rights to bash Democrats, they can go to Discussionist.

I could never do your job. You must have a hide like a rhinoceros. Happy Holidays to you and your family!


Thanks for the very hard work over the last week, I am very grateful we are back and....

may I offer some suggestions as someone keenly interested in online security and this site ?

1- I think it's reasonable to assume that, at least for the next 4 years, we will be a prime target of the Trumpistas. I think effective security will be a daily ongoing concern that will take extra resources. That spells extra money. You get my drift. That means MORE donations.

2- The W3C Validation Service has issues with DU right now. https://validator.w3.org/
I don't know how that ties into security, but worth looking into.

I've been here OVER 11 years and donated regularly, so it's safe to assume my comments are made in a good spirit. Thank you for listening!


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