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thesquanderer

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7. It's an interesting perspective, that a Sanders candidacy could increase turnout for Trump...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:32 PM
Feb 2020

...but I don't think so. Yes, I understand his point that, in many races, a Dem candidate who was perceived as highly ideological increased turnout for the opposition even more than what they increased for their side... but I think you have to assume that the opposition was a somewhat normal, maybe even mainstream candidate. If the opposition is Donald Trump? No, I don't think a Sanders nomination will bring out more Trump voters than a Biden or Bloomberg candidacy would. Or to look at this from another angle, Trump voters generally don't hate Sanders the way they hated Hillary, which is an argument for Trump perhaps seeing weaker turnout with Sanders as an opponent than he had when Hillary was his opponent.

I think you have to look at the particular candidates in the contest, rather than just saying progressive Dems tend to increase Republican turnout, even if the latter does often happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
But, we were told there'd be a revolution left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #1
Again, Sanders is not far left. He is center left. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #2
Part of that is his fault. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #9
He isn't running in any other part of the world gollygee Feb 2020 #11
Could you explain how sanders magical voter revolution works in the real world? Gothmog Feb 2020 #13
Anyone who calls himself a Socialist is going to get labeled far left. It's not amazing how far UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #20
No, it is amazing. This country is a joke. John Fante Feb 2020 #27
If you're explaining you're losing.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #21
+1 that allows that fascist pig to control the narrative. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #29
Democratic socialist who praises communist Russia is ... ***NOT*** ... moderate in the USA uponit7771 Feb 2020 #42
The Iowa grass roots movement netted 1.8 voters per volunteer. George II Feb 2020 #3
And how does that compare to everyone else? Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #4
Don't know, no other candidate boasts of their massive ground game. George II Feb 2020 #6
Maybe because it's worse? I think the stat is pretty meaningless Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #8
Numbers empedocles Feb 2020 #5
It's an interesting perspective, that a Sanders candidacy could increase turnout for Trump... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #7
I disagree. Eko Feb 2020 #12
Look at 1972 Gothmog Feb 2020 #14
In 1972, Nixon's approval rating was 50-62% and he was not widely seen as... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #17
Nixon did not have as much great oppo on McGovern as trump has on a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #23
We've talked before how most of the Clinton oppo won't help Trump... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #24
I have seen a ton of videos on twitter that would be easy to turn into attack ads Gothmog Feb 2020 #25
Yes, that's come up before as well, and again my answer is... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #26
Sanders would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #30
Again, Florida, which I've already said I don't expect to win... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #32
So it is okay to lose Democratic House seats in Florida due to sanders? Gothmog Feb 2020 #33
Yes, because I think there's a good chance we'd lose them anyway... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #37
We will keep these seats if Biden or Bloomberg is the nominee in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #40
Biden and Bloomberg are not polling so much better than Sanders in Florida... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #45
No candidate in a swing district ran on sanders' platform Gothmog Feb 2020 #43
sanders appears to have a hard cap of 25% of the Democratic electorate Gothmog Feb 2020 #36
Three things... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #39
kr! Cha Feb 2020 #10
New Hampshire Turnout Wasn't Driven By Bernie's Base Gothmog Feb 2020 #15
It is beyond scary that anyone needs to be told this Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #18
highly ideological candidates increase opposition turnout 3-8% more than their parties turnout Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #19
But here is the difference...The non Sanders supporters are not Nobody but Bernies but I feel at UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #22
Sigh John Fante Feb 2020 #28
Sanders would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #31
+1. Republicans will hang "socialism" around the neck of every Democrat. dalton99a Feb 2020 #34
Ruy Teixeira from Center for American Progress. DanTex Feb 2020 #35
Ruy Teixeira vs. Rachel Bitecofe is a landslide mismatch Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #38
There will be no magical voter revolution Gothmog Feb 2020 #41
Whee is sanders' voter revolution?? Gothmog Feb 2020 #44
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