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InAbLuEsTaTe

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110. Yes, Joe stands proudly by his crime bill, even though, as Kamala correctly points out

Thu May 16, 2019, 05:07 PM

May 2019

it contributed significantly to the increase in incarceration rate, especially among minorities.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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Harris knocks Biden on crime bill: 'It did contribute to mass incarceration in our country' [View all] Autumn May 2019 OP

Why are you so negative? DownriverDem May 2019 #1

I've decided to post articles about candidates that I like. You should try it. Autumn May 2019 #2

Kamala's 100% right on this...good for her bringin attention to the issue of criminal justice reform InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #4

The Lady is sharp, that's for sure. nt Autumn May 2019 #5

See this thread. The incarceration rate had been rising sharply since 1970 and may actually have highplainsdem May 2019 #132

Thanx for that. Hasnt Hillary also repudiated the tough on crime provisions of Joe's '94 Crime Bill? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #134

Hindsight is perfect. There were some good things about that bill, like the ban on semiautomatic highplainsdem May 2019 #135

Agreed!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #137

So which do you like, Biden or Harris? George II May 2019 #19

Harris is in my top 4, Biden isn't on my list, neither are about 23 others. nt Autumn May 2019 #21

Well, since there are 23 total, that's a short "top 4". George II May 2019 #49

Since as of May 13, 2019 there are 244 Democratic candidates who have filed to run Autumn May 2019 #51

Filing isn't running. George II May 2019 #63

Yeah, go with that George. Autumn May 2019 #65

Thanks for the encouragement... George II May 2019 #73

So which three of the remaining 220 are in your top four? George II May 2019 #129

I have a personal Top-10 list... both Harris and Biden are on it, but... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #152

But don't forget, your #1 (at least here on DU) VOTED for "that reported in the OP"! George II May 2019 #171

Yeah, go with that Autumn. lapucelle May 2019 #163

I intend to. Keep your donut. Autumn May 2019 #173

I hope you'll reconsider Kocklobar. lapucelle May 2019 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle May 2019 #175

How could a top 4 be any longer melman May 2019 #56

You didn't get it.... George II May 2019 #61

Not everyone took AP math in school nt NYMinute May 2019 #100

Bernie voted for it too. nt Nuggets May 2019 #40

Sanders has always been careful to point out that he saw the law as a compromise Autumn May 2019 #44

Yeah yeah Nuggets May 2019 #46

Yeah it was Biden's, the whole thing was. Bernie supported that part so he voted for it. Autumn May 2019 #50

Apparentlty, Joe can do no wrong. So, blame Bernie... for EVERYTHING!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #76

Ironically, your own corollaries are just that. LanternWaste May 2019 #105

Yes, there are "compromises" when he votes for or against bills, which is why.... George II May 2019 #58

Bernie voted for it too and his excuse that it was to protect women is hogwash Nuggets May 2019 #183

I hate these candidate signatures because your motives are questioned if you post something with JonLP24 May 2019 #197

I thought of doing like some of the other Sanders supporters and just go with undecided Autumn May 2019 #198

I look forward to you posting this on every OP negative to a Dem candidate. Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #8

I don't understand how is it negative when he considers it an accomplishment loyalsister May 2019 #74

Yes, Joe stands proudly by his crime bill, even though, as Kamala correctly points out InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #110

Bill Clinton admits it loyalsister May 2019 #111

I admire Bill's honesty per the quote you posted... I don't think Joe denies this either. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #117

That's probably true loyalsister May 2019 #128

Joe is politically smart... no doubt he realizes he needs to come out with an apology... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #131

What about BS? sheshe2 May 2019 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a May 2019 #3

Will not make a scintilla of difference Polly Hennessey May 2019 #6

So no discussion about whether he was right or wrong on that decision? Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #7

I think this and her remark that Biden would make a good running mate, Autumn May 2019 #11

Having a discussion is fine. Polly Hennessey May 2019 #36

there are plenty of people to think he was right treestar May 2019 #114

Some of the people who would be voting Democratic BlueWI May 2019 #146

The dramatic increase in incarceration was a bad effect, but you need to go back to when the bill napi21 May 2019 #186

If it wasn't for cooking and baking I would be washing socks. rzemanfl May 2019 #9

What you call gnash your teeth I call posting about one of our strong candidates speaking Autumn May 2019 #10

Many seem to think it's a cheerleading contest. jalan48 May 2019 #23

People seem to fear discussion about certain candidates. Autumn May 2019 #25

The ostrich approach. Hold our hands over our eyes and ears. jalan48 May 2019 #29

Yep and keep repeating the same mistake. nt Autumn May 2019 #33

Yes, that does seem to be the pattern... I understand their fear though! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #102

So I guess we can look forward to all the anti Sanders OPs being gone now that it appears Nanjeanne May 2019 #53

Don't count on it. Now that Harris has taken off the gloves and is taking on Biden Autumn May 2019 #57

Agreed. n/t MarcA May 2019 #98

No, it's not my first rodeo. Polly Hennessey May 2019 #39

A lot of women would make a superb President. Women like Autumn May 2019 #45

Are any of those in your top four? George II May 2019 #130

Tired of reading George? I clearly listed Harris as being in my top 4. nt Autumn May 2019 #140

Is Kocklobar in your top four? She must be one of those 200+ that we never hear about. George II May 2019 #141

Oh! NurseJackie May 2019 #145

Willie Felix Carter or maybe Bernie... lapucelle May 2019 #165

You seem curious George. Kocklobar? Haven't heard of that one so that's a big no. Autumn May 2019 #159

Really Autumn? George II May 2019 #160

Kocklobar must be somewhere on the list of the 224 who registered, but still hasn't filed. lapucelle May 2019 #170

If I hear someone say he's a Bernie supporter, I'm going to ask if he means Mayor Korn lapucelle May 2019 #166

Hah! I wonder if he's friends with Ben & Jerry? George II May 2019 #169

Gabbard? nt sheshe2 May 2019 #151

Klobuchar? nt tblue37 May 2019 #176

Who or what is a Kocklobar? sheshe2 May 2019 #178

Apparently it's "something you would go to the ER for." George II May 2019 #181

Sounds pretty painful. sheshe2 May 2019 #182

A Kocklobar/Buttigieg ticket sounds sort of titillating. betsuni May 2019 #184

Oooh. sheshe2 May 2019 #185

Regarding who would make a better President, I'd rank Elizabeth ahead of BOTH Kamala and Hillary... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #153

Of course. George II May 2019 #179

Thought this was a primary race...Kamala has every right to bring up Joe's tough stand InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #12

Perhaps it's time people bring up BS's tough stand on the criminal justice system, too? George II May 2019 #172

Sounds like a cult. Ace Rothstein May 2019 #55

Same could be said of many candidates and trump as well. n/t MarcA May 2019 #97

People should remain open to other possibilities and see the positive and negative of ALL candidates InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #104

Do we really want to go there on Biden with Bernie running? treestar May 2019 #122

No doubt the hardcore Bernie supporters are cult-like. Ace Rothstein May 2019 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #13

Except your own three paragraph article "proving" it didn't, admits it doesn't have the records Autumn May 2019 #17

Withdrawn LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #18

I believe it also provided for.. cannabis_flower May 2019 #14

When I read what she said I started looking up information on that crime bill. I never Autumn May 2019 #22

It isn't just this bill though, he voted for all of them and... cannabis_flower May 2019 #27

It provided money cannabis_flower May 2019 #38

Its called vetting, If Joe couldn't take it, he would not have jumped in, and disagreeing with past vsrazdem May 2019 #15

Joe couldn't care less about this post. LakeArenal May 2019 #108

Joe doesn't care but his supporters sure do. Autumn May 2019 #125

Joe understands vetting, for sure, given the two past Democratic primary races, 1988 & 2008, he lost InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #133

Oh I forfeiture might not have been this bill... cannabis_flower May 2019 #16

Didn't realize that about weed... that's not good! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #118

Good for Harris to point out. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #20

Fascinating. Autumn May 2019 #35

It is a bit fascinating how our two current leading candidates... SouthernProgressive May 2019 #43

A little off topic but who are you keeping a forgiveness chart for? Yourself or Jesus? Autumn May 2019 #60

I don't have a forgiveness chart. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #64

Have you looked at your sig line? nt Autumn May 2019 #68

I think it's funny. It's a Clinton quote. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #69

You just never know. Autumn May 2019 #71

That is true. But I think an overwhelming number of people would. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #77

I didn't realize that about Tony West. He's also the husband of Kamala Harris' sister, too. George II May 2019 #143

I'm a big supporter of two out of the three. SouthernProgressive May 2019 #144

Harris is wrong, again left-of-center2012 May 2019 #24

I would love to read your rebuttal but unfortunately everything there is redacted Autumn May 2019 #30

"singing the praises of the candidates they are running against" left-of-center2012 May 2019 #34

She is running on her own record and she's running against his. nt Autumn May 2019 #37

+1 trolls on her page treestar May 2019 #120

Not only that, but since when is "encouraging" law? Kahuna7 May 2019 #59

Could be a strategy to deflect - she was on the receiving end Skya Rhen May 2019 #86

I know. I do think the criticism she has received is unfair.. Kahuna7 May 2019 #88

I completely agree... Skya Rhen May 2019 #109

Where did you get in the article that Harris tried to tear down Biden? Kaleva May 2019 #67

The legislation offered state financial incentives to impose stricter sentencing laws Kaleva May 2019 #91

Also contained Violence Against Women Act; established drug deterrence courts; allocated emmaverybo May 2019 #149

+1 and I thought they signed that pledge treestar May 2019 #115

Stick with why we need to elect you, not why we should not elect the others. left-of-center2012 May 2019 #116

Ending Mass Incarceration: Ideas from Today's Leaders dalton99a May 2019 #26

Thanks for that link! Nice list of authors, almost all of our candidates. Autumn May 2019 #32

As an undecided voter DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #28

Yeah me too. Still looking for one and so far the only one seems to be Andrew Yang, nt Autumn May 2019 #31

Was Buttigieg even born then? Vidal May 2019 #41

I think it's very relevant considering the harm it's done. As far as I know he still supports it . Autumn May 2019 #47

Well, Autumn Vidal May 2019 #52

Well Vidal, the only thing that can hurt any candidate are their own actions. It's called vetting, Autumn May 2019 #54

It makes no sense . . . Vidal May 2019 #82

The crime bill of his that did so much harm wasn't a position. And off to the deflection Autumn May 2019 #92

But Bernie voted for the bill. The only deflection here is handwaving Senator Sanders' vote away emulatorloo May 2019 #187

She should and I hope she does. If you want to start an OP about Bernie voting for it you should Autumn May 2019 #188

No I am not going to start an OP like that. I am only posting positive OPs about our candidates emulatorloo May 2019 #189

I think that my OP was a positive post. I don't have any problem with her bringing this up. Autumn May 2019 #190

I personally see Biden and Harris as allies. emulatorloo May 2019 #191

They all are allies but as far as campaign allies I see Kamala more aligned with Liz or Pete. Autumn May 2019 #192

I'd be quite happy w your three/my four as President/Vice Presidential candidates in the GE emulatorloo May 2019 #193

Here's the one I did on Inslee. Seems not a lot of people care about the most important issue Autumn May 2019 #194

Thank you for both! emulatorloo May 2019 #195

+1 treestar May 2019 #119

There are lots of people still in prison Voltaire2 May 2019 #158

25 years ago, pagers were a thing. IluvPitties May 2019 #42

On could say that in the last 25 years pagers have evolved into cell phones. So that's a thing too. Autumn May 2019 #48

One would then be wrong. Two wholly separate technologies LanternWaste May 2019 #106

It's not as awkward as you want it to be. The need for a pager went away with the cell phone. nt Autumn May 2019 #107

Title would be more accurate if it said Harris disagreed with Biden on effects of crime bill Kaleva May 2019 #62

She didn't just disagree. She flat out called him out on it, very politely but she went there. Autumn May 2019 #66

Harris said she disagreed. You are saying Harris is calling Biden a liar. Kaleva May 2019 #70

Quite the stretch with that accusation against me there. I never said she called him a liar. Autumn May 2019 #78

" To challenge the truthfulness or genuineness of:" Kaleva May 2019 #79

Who do you think is being truthful? Her or him? Autumn May 2019 #87

I cannot say as my knowledge on the issue is about zero. Kaleva May 2019 #90

I got to wondering how it was that on the DU an intelligent woman of color can fall behind Autumn May 2019 #95

Kamala should know, given her criminal prosecution background. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #155

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2019 #72

It was a bad bill for sure but I wonder if Biden would have pushed for it had he known mtnsnake May 2019 #75

That's the bill that Bernie Sanders voted for, isn't it?...nt SidDithers May 2019 #80

Yes, but it's been explained how pure his vote was. R B Garr May 2019 #81

+1 nt Kahuna7 May 2019 #89

Haha.. BS' vote was "pure"!? Cha May 2019 #168

Yes it is indeed that bill that he voted for, that's not in question. Biden says his bill Autumn May 2019 #84

BS voted for it. sheshe2 May 2019 #142

You can scratch her off his list of VP choices Baclava May 2019 #83

I think she scratched him off hers. Autumn May 2019 #85

Is Tim Kaine available? lol Baclava May 2019 #96

I hope not. Autumn May 2019 #99

That's hilarious, all right, considering the polls. highplainsdem May 2019 #112

Strategy-wise, his team will have to select the best fit. Skya Rhen May 2019 #93

Reagan had George H. W. Bush as his VP Kaleva May 2019 #94

They've forgiven worse treestar May 2019 #121

Tim Kaine was one of the first Big Names to Endorse Obama and led to the other Senators Endorsing JI7 May 2019 #157

This will make Harris's numbers go down NYMinute May 2019 #101

Over 20 years ago being seen as weak on crime got you kicked out of office... cynatnite May 2019 #103

+1000000000000 treestar May 2019 #139

She should tell us why she should get the nomination treestar May 2019 #113

She has. And saying you disagree with someone is not bashing them Steven Maurer May 2019 #123

I've already seen her facing disagreement on many of her decisions as prosecutor treestar May 2019 #126

While I largely agree with you... Steven Maurer May 2019 #150

Kamala HAS spoken to why she should get the nomination...that & callin Joe's crime prevention InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #136

No she should not do both treestar May 2019 #138

Mass incarceration had already quadrupled in the 24 years before that bill. In the 15 highplainsdem May 2019 #124

This definitely puts things into perspective... Skya Rhen May 2019 #148

The arguement isn't that the bill started mass incarceration but that... Kaleva May 2019 #164

I thought this was a tough row to hoe for her? dem4decades May 2019 #127

As long as Biden is a clear winner over trump in the polls AlexSFCA May 2019 #154

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2016 NBC News analysis: Black leaders supported the 1994 crime bill highplainsdem May 2019 #161

In fact, most black people supported it. As a POC, I can tell you that this was a very popular bill Skya Rhen May 2019 #162

It's a hit, but an unfair one. Michelle Alexander's 'The New Jim Crow' shows the whole scene that ancianita May 2019 #167

She's right that the 1994 crime bill tishaLA May 2019 #174

Go Harris!! JonLP24 May 2019 #196