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In reply to the discussion: A tough road ahead in NY. [View all]

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
61. Mostly agree
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:16 AM
Apr 2016

I agree with most of that, SheilaT.

But I disagree with this part: "He MUST do a lot better than break even."

You even contradict yourself about it later. Maybe what you mean is, "It will be GREAT if he doest a lot better than break even." If he does that, then everything changes and he's the odds on favorite to win, IMHO.

If he just squeaks out a win, that'll be huge too, in terms of publicity and momentum.

As far as superdelegates go, even Nate Silver (who in my opinion clearly favors Clinton - he's said in the past that he leans politically conservative) has said that if Sanders wins a majority of the pledged delegates, the superdelegates will follow. Why? Because in order to win, he'll have to win nearly all of the remaining states and by good margins. He'll have much momentum, and he'll be doing so much better against whoever the Repulican is (due to his great popularity with independent voters), that it would be crazy to back Clinton at that point.

Also, a big question nobody is talking about is what about the 200 or so superdelegates who haven't committed yet? Maybe I'm hopefully optimistic, but I'd like to think that most of those will go for Sanders, because if they were pro-Clinton, why wouldn't they have committed yet? If that's the case, Clinton would go into the convention with 500 and Sanders with 200. He then would need to get 150 to switch to make it even (350 to 350). Then he'd win since he'd have more pledged delegates in this scenario.

I think getting 150 out of 500 to switch due to him being the pledged delegate winner isn't that hard. Heck, even Bill Clinton has said he'd vote Sanders if Sanders is the pledged delegate winner. Even if more of the currently uncommitted ones go for Clinton, that's still doable. People talk like he has to get all the superdelegates to switch.

100 supers switched from Clinton to Obama in 2008, and more would have done so except Clinton threw in the towel, so there was no need for them to turn "traitor" and piss Clinton off. (Everyone knows she's vindictive and keeps an enemies list.)

A tough road ahead in NY. [View all] thereismore Apr 2016 OP
She's basically screaming that "full negative" is up next. dchill Apr 2016 #1
I really hope she does that. If she kept her cool, she would win NY. If she freaks out, she can lose thereismore Apr 2016 #2
Shhh! dchill Apr 2016 #3
This Clinton 'negativity' should be part of Bernie's strategy Lodestar Apr 2016 #23
that is a great idea! hopemountain Apr 2016 #64
Bernie is the true New Yorker. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #4
Oh thank you for the soothing words!!! thereismore Apr 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #32
I disagree with is the 29-71 black vote split in WI Red Oak Apr 2016 #5
Oh I see... really good to know! nt thereismore Apr 2016 #7
he won the american indian vote in WI Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #8
He seems to do well beltanefauve Apr 2016 #19
It will be tough DeeDeeNY Apr 2016 #9
It will be very tough. Pick up the phone every day next week and phonebank. jillan Apr 2016 #10
I am starting to look into something here that others might want to investigate BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #11
Excellent post, please re-post separately as an OP. From recent events it seems that Hillary is thereismore Apr 2016 #13
This is a big topic. I need to think about how to organize it. BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #14
I am thinking he has a chance in NY, after all this. Go Bernie go! nt thereismore Apr 2016 #15
Thank you for your posts on Teachout. KoKo Apr 2016 #30
I like Teachout. She attended a small anti-fracking rally LiberalElite Apr 2016 #16
I wonder why she hasn't endorsed Bernie? dorkzilla Apr 2016 #18
She has! No link but it was on HuffPo. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #26
She did endorse Bernie, in a 2015 HuffPo column BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #31
NY stater here- Karma13612 Apr 2016 #24
Same here... (eom) mak3cats Apr 2016 #25
woohoo for teachout/wu! eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #37
It will be closer than you think Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #12
If you are in NY, please find your local office and help!!! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #17
NY has more blacks than Wisconsin, but a fair amount less than Milwaukee, which Bernie almost won jfern Apr 2016 #20
Good point! Thank you. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #27
Some more reasons to be optimistic paulthompson Apr 2016 #21
This is truly awesome! Thank you for a detailed response thereismore Apr 2016 #28
The WI youth vote was hampered by the GOP's voter id laws bigbrother05 Apr 2016 #29
Thanks, Paul. Re: Early Voting... KoKo Apr 2016 #34
Indeed! paulthompson Apr 2016 #53
I would love to see numerous spontaneous 'flash mobs' all around the city, Lodestar Apr 2016 #22
NYC has over 1.3 million college students and the state overall magical thyme Apr 2016 #33
I hope that students registered in significant numbers. And who would register if not enthusiastic thereismore Apr 2016 #35
Cut and pasted from my OP of March 29... mak3cats Apr 2016 #36
And remember...NYC was where the HUGE anti-war protests took place Lodestar Apr 2016 #38
And the birth of Occupy! nt thereismore Apr 2016 #41
Yes yes!!! Lodestar Apr 2016 #42
We know Bernie was born and raised in Brooklyn as he mentioned this morning appalachiablue Apr 2016 #39
Yep, it'll all come out. there is time. Plus, Bernie pals around with the freaking Pope. That's BFD. thereismore Apr 2016 #40
Didn't know that! I wonder if there is a source link that could be Lodestar Apr 2016 #43
There are a couple (older) profile/bio pieces on Jane if you scroll through the BSG links. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #44
From a quick google search just now- with many more links/articles on Jane than when appalachiablue Apr 2016 #45
Hope you don't mind, I posted this info in GD-P with a link to your OP Lodestar Apr 2016 #46
That's fine, esp. since the nasty attacks started which I didn't realize until appalachiablue Apr 2016 #47
You know that shit breaks my heart werknotgoin2takeit Apr 2016 #50
NYS has a lot of fractivists. They will be voting for Bernie. Agony Apr 2016 #48
Something is bad in Hillary's internal polling. noamnety Apr 2016 #49
Oh, NICE! Yes I am sure she is watching that delegate lead shrink with some anxiety! I just heard thereismore Apr 2016 #51
Maybe her vote counters realized Bernie has a path to prevent her winning via elected delegates HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #65
My guess, based only on what I see here or out in the media, SheilaT Apr 2016 #52
Thank you, I think they are in an active defense mode. thereismore Apr 2016 #54
What exactly did she do for them when she SheilaT Apr 2016 #56
I think they told her they wanted to build something and she got excited and supported that. thereismore Apr 2016 #58
Almost paulthompson Apr 2016 #55
One more thing paulthompson Apr 2016 #57
I agree about Silver. He's pretty much irrelevant i a dynamically changing election. thereismore Apr 2016 #60
Yes, even a just barely loss would mean a lot of delegates for him, SheilaT Apr 2016 #59
Mostly agree paulthompson Apr 2016 #61
If he only gets 50 percent of the delegates going forward SheilaT Apr 2016 #62
Yep paulthompson Apr 2016 #63
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