2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The logical reason that Bernie will win. [View all]NanceGreggs
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this has to be said before it sinks in: Bernie Sanders is no Obama. While BS may have his own qualities, he lacks the things that Obama brought to the 2008 election cycle. Obama was young, charismatic, an exceptionally eloquent speaker; BS is none of those things.
Obamas focus was on what could be done in future to effect positive change. Bernies focus is on whats gone wrong in the past and its the same things hes been railing about for decades. In addition, BSs plans for changing things are vague at best, and largely unworkable.
Now we have Bernie and he's appealing to the very same people that Obama had enchanted.
No, actually hes not. BS wanted Obama primaried in 2012, and continues to complain about what Obama has and has not accomplished. In so doing, BS has disenchanted millions of potential supporters who remain loyal to Obama.
since that same majority that elected Obama not only still exists, (they've grown larger) why would they vote for a centrist moderate that they didn't vote for the first time round?
Firstly, calling HRC a centrist moderate is your label. It is not a label that millions of Democrats agree with. People base their perception of a candidate on their own opinion, not yours.
Secondly, you seem to forget how close HRC came to winning the nomination in 2008. She had millions of supporters then, and she has millions now. Of course, common sense would dictate that people who voted for Obama then wont be voting for him in 2016 because hes not running. Think about how many people (myself included) who saw HRC as their second choice in 2008, and now see her as their first choice without Obama as competition. To think that anyone who didnt vote for Hillary then wont vote for her now is beyond ludicrous.
The older generation has moved on
Really? We of the older generation are very much still here and we VOTE, while many of the younger generation still DONT.
Either way, the generation that voted Obama instead of Hillary is still here. I feel like it's honestly as if they're the elephant in the room that Hillary supporters aren't really thinking about.
Again, this logic is so flawed as to be laughable. You seem to be assuming that anyone who voted for Obama over Hillary in 2008 did so because they would never vote for her, then or now. How many politicians have lost elections (including BS) they later came to win in subsequent years? According to your logic, no one should ever seek office again after a lost election, because people who didnt vote for them the first time around would never vote for them a second time around or even a third or fourth time around. Does that really make sense to you?
The elephant in the room that BS supporters continue to ignore is the blatantly obvious fact that Bernie Sanders isnt Obama, not by a longshot and pretending they are seen as comparable or equal by voters is downright silly.