2016 Postmortem

SunSeeker

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102. Hillary has had the guts to talk gun control, while Bernie has avoided it.

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #95)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 10:56 PM

Aug 2015

His response, or lack thereof, to the recent shootings is telling.

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Hillary is part of fundamentalist "The Family"; Bernie gives talk at fundamentalist college [View all] Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 OP

I don't see the comparison Nite Owl Aug 2015 #1

I agree with your POV Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #3

What you said. SoapBox Aug 2015 #10

That just makes too much sense. artislife Aug 2015 #22

definitely Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #53

And there is a lot right with what he is doing. zeemike Aug 2015 #64

^This^ n/t Adsos Letter Aug 2015 #111

exactly-- and I bet they will find some (maybe many) points they agree with him on Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #182

...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #108

I think its impressive that LIBERTY actually invited Bernie to speak! 7962 Aug 2015 #109

Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #54

Exactly right, Nite Owl. I am all for it. There's no harm in going there and tblue Aug 2015 #156

It's not outrage against Sanders, it's Poutrage that DU women aren't flocking to her as predicted. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #2

Me too, and I'm undecided. -... ... Aug 2015 #4

Thanks. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #6

thanks for the warm welcome! -... ... Aug 2015 #7

I don't know if yours is the coolest DU name.... chknltl Aug 2015 #133

Indeed! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #5

Some people need to "evolve" on human rights... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #8

As a woman artislife Aug 2015 #24

Bernie is a better feminist than Hillary, imo. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34

Haven't forgotten that artislife Aug 2015 #37

Total poutrage, coupled with more than a little fear that the coronation is slipping away... peacebird Aug 2015 #162

Fundie christians are dangerous. Turbineguy Aug 2015 #9

If Hillary understands their Fundamentalist views, aspirant Aug 2015 #11

Maybe she was... we don't know. nt artislife Aug 2015 #25

Today I made an important decision MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #12

Awwww....Manny is pouting again Armstead Aug 2015 #40

Yep, they are ruining Bernies chances!!!1!1!!11! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #65

You mean the same prayer breakfast every POTUS since Ike has attended... Historic NY Aug 2015 #13

She attended regular prayer meetings. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #23

Has every POTUS been member of "The Family"? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #32

HRC is a member of the Family, a sect sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #43

+1 840high Aug 2015 #115

Yawn. Extra yawn. ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #14

The Hillary-Family meme okasha Aug 2015 #19

Really. Show me where it has been debunked. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #26

You're going to be waiting a long time animal JackInGreen Aug 2015 #29

It's right there in your own post okasha Aug 2015 #73

So. You will have no trouble pointing it out, right? Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #86

"Bible study" and "prayer group." okasha Aug 2015 #104

As I thought. No debunking. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #121

ANnd no fact checking on your part. okasha Aug 2015 #130

My link provided supported fact from right wing humans who prayed with her. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #136

None of which is evidence that she belonged to the Family. okasha Aug 2015 #140

I hope you draw comfort from that while she prayed regularly with bigots and praised the fascist Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #144

Not only praised the fascist but went to him with 'spiritual' concerns..she's a member. nt haikugal Aug 2015 #201

I was attacked relentlessly and told it was debunked repeatedly, yet not one person provided proof peacebird Aug 2015 #163

DEBUNKED? Hillary said she was a member and took solace in the scripture? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #35

The Family has no female members. okasha Aug 2015 #69

You mean they are that barbaric and vile? aspirant Aug 2015 #75

Well, no.... haikugal Aug 2015 #202

*chortle nt artislife Aug 2015 #77

Yeah I actually went to "PrisonPlanet" to see if they had shit like this ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #183

You dare not sleep, Hill's "Family" may slip a pod under your bed. oasis Aug 2015 #132

They've already tried to associate his support for Israel with the fundamentalist's at Liberty. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #15

I know, right. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #36

Yes, the hypocrisy of some of Bernie's supporters is amazing. If Hillary had made plans pnwmom Aug 2015 #16

I'm about as "thrilled" as I was when I found out Ted Kennedy spoke there. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #17

Now she is free to make those plans aspirant Aug 2015 #18

She probably thinks there are better places to find people who are likely to vote pnwmom Aug 2015 #20

she's progressive? MoveIt Aug 2015 #21

Bernie's voting record is only slightly to the left of hers. Biden and O'Malley's are to her right. pnwmom Aug 2015 #27

Giving George W. Bush a blank check for the Iraq war was not "progressive" MoveIt Aug 2015 #30

The Democrats didn't give him a blank check. Their resolution contained pnwmom Aug 2015 #39

That site, Hillary and other neo-liberals can rationalize the vote MoveIt Aug 2015 #41

Me neither. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #55

Thanks for the welcome! MoveIt Aug 2015 #56

When it comes to civil rights Bernie is FAR to the left of Hillary. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #31

Not true. Sanders voted to enable anti-latino Minuteman militias in 2006. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #58

That lie was a smear that came from a banned member and the thread was locked. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #60

As a Latina artislife Aug 2015 #80

But I read in that thread that he hates immigrants and brown people. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #88

He does artislife Aug 2015 #90

First we have to pry that AK 47 out of his gun nutter hands! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #93

This guy missing his AK 47 artislife Aug 2015 #117

Hillary, aka 'Annie Oakley' and Obama both support the rights of gun owners. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #120

I am not afraid of Bernie either, but the gun nuts he panders to are another matter. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #91

Obama called Hillary "Annie Oakley" when she pandered to gun nuts in 2008. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #95

Hillary has had the guts to talk gun control, while Bernie has avoided it. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #102

Except not only he has talked about gun control, he voted for it: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112

Why.....this looks like gun control?! nt artislife Aug 2015 #122

What about this?: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #125

It cannnot be...no I won't believe artislife Aug 2015 #127

LMAO! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #134

Well we do have comfy chairs here.... artislife Aug 2015 #137

I saw that! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #139

He could have tampered with the bottle artislife Aug 2015 #142

He's like Savoir-Faire, he is everywhere! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #145

I think he's hiding near my recycle bin...nt artislife Aug 2015 #146

That doesn't make up for his votes AGAINST the Brady Bill and FOR the PLCAA. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #147

He has nothing to make up for. I agree with him about the PLCAA and he explained his vote on the BB beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #149

So I caught you in a lie all you can offer is some lame campaign graphic. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #153

Why am I not surprised you're accusing me of lying because I proved you wrong? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #154

You did not prove me wrong. Your undated campaign graphic proves nothing. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #155

He spoke about it on Jul 27, and I already explained why banning makes more sense than trying to sue beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157

There is no date on that graphic. Nor does that quote refer to Charleston. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #158

Offs, he DID speak about gun violence and racism after Charleston. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #159

He didn't talk about guns in response to Charleston. You have proven nothing. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #161

A properly functioning weapon - no matter how lethal - is NOT by definition defective. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #166

It is clear you do not know product liability law. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #168

Bernie's record on civil rights is superior to Hillary's, your opinion doesn't change that. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #169

My opinion counts and is the same as the vast majority of people of color. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #170

Not as a FACT it doesn't. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #171

The claim that Bernie's position on civil rights is "FAR to the left of Hillary" is an opinion. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #172

Not unless you dismiss her history of opposing equal rights for lgbt people. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #173

Hillary's position on LGBT rights is the same as Bernie's. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #174

I said her HISTORY of opposing equal rights for lgbt people. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #175

Nope, that is not what you said. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #177

What I said exactly in that post: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #178

I addressed Bernie's problematic voting history above. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #179

No, you don't get to go back to your first train wreck, this is about CIVIL RIGHTS. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #180

As a Latina lunamagica Aug 2015 #190

I do not engage artislife Aug 2015 #191

Sure, ignore this fact if you wish. No problem eom lunamagica Aug 2015 #192

I am citing to the Congressional Record, not some locked thread. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #87

Ikr? "That racist gun nut Bernie hates brown people" was last month's meme. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #92

Your words, not mine. How is the Congressional Record a "smear"? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #98

That's exactly it Nite Owl Aug 2015 #119

In 2008 it was popular to support gun owners and oppose same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #124

Yeah, except for that whole "war" thingy and the catastrophic "Arab spring" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #47

You are on fire! artislife Aug 2015 #89

Places that charge a $3,000 admission n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #44

Like the home of a wealthy donor? frylock Aug 2015 #46

Bernie has been up front that he is going after everyone's vote. That he won't abandon the red Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #51

Of course he's going after every vote - he'll need them to get above 20% in the polls! George II Aug 2015 #94

They might not pay enough....nt artislife Aug 2015 #28

IF IF IF... your hypothetical isn't relevant or based in reality. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #45

Pretty desperate lie you got there. Nope, Hillary is not a member of "The Family." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #33

"But she had also relied on the "extended faith family" that came to her aid" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #52

Your blogger source, "dogemperor," basically says the same nothing. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #68

That was a women's prayer group she belonged to, okasha Aug 2015 #116

It is really dispicable to bash her for turning to prayer when she was in pain. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #150

That reads as something similar to the story of Tammy Faye Bakker. delrem Aug 2015 #151

True. She is only the next tier down a "Friend of the Family". Pro Choice or political calculation TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #57

Under your standard, Bernie speaking at Liberty University makes him a "Friend of the Family." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #71

It isn't my standard but rather the prosperity cult's. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #106

Innuendo and conspiracy theories is all you have. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #148

Not Sharlet, Coe...Doug Coe... haikugal Aug 2015 #203

Is this the way that Sanders' followers.... George II Aug 2015 #38

You think he needs cover? JackInGreen Aug 2015 #48

Sadly, based on recent polls, he's not doing that, he IS talking to people that agree with him. George II Aug 2015 #50

There is a "Poll" in Portland this weekend! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #59

When HC supporters try to paint him as sympathetic to homophobes, sexists and anti-semites, yes beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #78

He does not need a cover. Good 840high Aug 2015 #110

He probably doesn't, but many of his followers feel he does. George II Aug 2015 #114

lol NCTraveler Aug 2015 #42

Great retort! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #62

It doesn't deserve the respect of any more thought than that. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #176

When was Hillary associated with the Family? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #49

As First Lady and as a Senator she attended regular prayer meetings. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #61

Ooooh, regular prayer meetings, like that's something to be avoided? MILLIONS of good... George II Aug 2015 #66

Regular prayer meetings with fundamentalist bigots. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #72

Most likely "it has been reported", huh? George II Aug 2015 #76

Reported in an extremely well researched book. So well researched that the organization, The Family Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #129

What did they pray for? aspirant Aug 2015 #81

Ask cosmic kitten, she seems to be the expert on these secret taboo prayer meetings. George II Aug 2015 #83

You seem to disagree and know the content, so I'm asking you. aspirant Aug 2015 #99

No, I dont understand why things is even posted about Hillary joining a prayer group. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #84

Deoends on who you pray with. 840high Aug 2015 #113

I got it, she joined a prayer group, good for Hillary. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #70

Apparently that's taboo for Sanders' followers. George II Aug 2015 #82

Yes, we hate Christians and the Baby Jesus too. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #97

She joined a prayer group organized by a decades long fascist promoting organization.. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #101

And now Bernie is going to speak at Liberty University, LU does not have a great Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #103

Because you don't win new votes by only talking to people who already agree with you. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #186

Did you read the book, now? okasha Aug 2015 #107

Yes. I read the book. I'm on my "smart" phone and too lazy to correct it after 2 tries. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #126

Yes, yes, and yes. okasha Aug 2015 #128

And yet, you've not presented one shred of evidence that I am wrong other than you say so. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #131

I have a better idea. okasha Aug 2015 #135

Nope. Still looking for that debunking. That was the best idea not yet addressed. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #138

I suggest everyone read his book, it's excellent. haikugal Aug 2015 #204

Do you have the Google on your interwebz? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #63

A sure of abject desperation.....I wonder what the smears will be like in January 2016? George II Aug 2015 #67

Probably just like they are today. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #79

No smears, just wishing Hillary well as a civilian grandmother aspirant Aug 2015 #85

Serious question? Hydra Aug 2015 #100

I don't see how any thinking person can believe in a God to start with. jalan48 Aug 2015 #74

I agree. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #160

Bernie comes close, though. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #164

Yes he does. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #165

They're feeling it now! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167

thank you for posting this, it was my first thought too CanadaexPat Aug 2015 #96

As is Liberty University, I would have skipped this one. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #105

its not that kind of church MoveIt Aug 2015 #207

As George Costanza says..... George II Aug 2015 #118

Maybe because the charges against Clinton are Bull. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #123

Hillary was a regularly attendee. This was not a once a year event. Why does every Hillary pretend Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #141

*shudder..nt artislife Aug 2015 #143

Yup that's the article Buzz cook Aug 2015 #152

So....Hillary needed Coe's help to get facetime with Bill? jeff47 Aug 2015 #187

Oh please, you're just being snarky. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #193

The title was. But you brought up using them for access to the president. jeff47 Aug 2015 #195

Obama didn't support gay marriage either. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #199

Yep. But Obama didn't join the Family's prayer groups on a regular basis jeff47 Aug 2015 #200

. stonecutter357 Aug 2015 #181

K$R because WE CAN DO BETTER Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #184

The "faithful" must deny that this happened! MoveIt Aug 2015 #185

Hillary is just hanging out with her people artislife Aug 2015 #188

They pray to stay in office, and create a "Christian Nation" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #189

Hillary is NOT part of "The Family". She went to meetings to schmooze and appear KittyWampus Aug 2015 #194

You do realize that is worse, right? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #196

We aren't talking about attending prayer breakfasts... haikugal Aug 2015 #205

Stench of hypocricy? Very interesting discussion: George II Aug 2015 #197

*snort* beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #198

More.. haikugal Aug 2015 #206