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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
61. As First Lady and as a Senator she attended regular prayer meetings.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 10:14 PM
Aug 2015
In fact, Clinton's God talk is more complicated—and more deeply rooted—than either fans or foes would have it, a revelation not just of her determination to out-Jesus the GOP, but of the powerful religious strand in her own politics. Over the past year, we've interviewed dozens of Clinton's friends, mentors, and pastors about her faith, her politics, and how each shapes the other. And while media reports tend to characterize Clinton's subtle recalibration of tone and style as part of the Democrats' broader move to recapture the terrain of "moral values," those who know her say there's far more to it than that.

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

And I will add. I read Shallot's book, "The Family". The organization is extremely fascist and powerful. Their God is power. Their Jesus is power. Their guidance is power. They teach that the world's most extreme despots (Hitler, Mao,…) use tactics to be emulated in the sole quest for power.

I don't see the comparison Nite Owl Aug 2015 #1
I agree with your POV Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #3
What you said. SoapBox Aug 2015 #10
That just makes too much sense. artislife Aug 2015 #22
definitely Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #53
And there is a lot right with what he is doing. zeemike Aug 2015 #64
^This^ n/t Adsos Letter Aug 2015 #111
exactly-- and I bet they will find some (maybe many) points they agree with him on Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #182
...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #108
I think its impressive that LIBERTY actually invited Bernie to speak! 7962 Aug 2015 #109
Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #54
Exactly right, Nite Owl. I am all for it. There's no harm in going there and tblue Aug 2015 #156
It's not outrage against Sanders, it's Poutrage that DU women aren't flocking to her as predicted. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #2
Me too, and I'm undecided. -... ... Aug 2015 #4
Thanks. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #6
thanks for the warm welcome! -... ... Aug 2015 #7
I don't know if yours is the coolest DU name.... chknltl Aug 2015 #133
Indeed! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #5
Some people need to "evolve" on human rights... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #8
As a woman artislife Aug 2015 #24
Bernie is a better feminist than Hillary, imo. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34
Haven't forgotten that artislife Aug 2015 #37
Total poutrage, coupled with more than a little fear that the coronation is slipping away... peacebird Aug 2015 #162
Fundie christians are dangerous. Turbineguy Aug 2015 #9
If Hillary understands their Fundamentalist views, aspirant Aug 2015 #11
Maybe she was... we don't know. nt artislife Aug 2015 #25
Today I made an important decision MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #12
Awwww....Manny is pouting again Armstead Aug 2015 #40
Yep, they are ruining Bernies chances!!!1!1!!11! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #65
You mean the same prayer breakfast every POTUS since Ike has attended... Historic NY Aug 2015 #13
She attended regular prayer meetings. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #23
Has every POTUS been member of "The Family"? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #32
HRC is a member of the Family, a sect sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #43
+1 840high Aug 2015 #115
Yawn. Extra yawn. ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #14
The Hillary-Family meme okasha Aug 2015 #19
Really. Show me where it has been debunked. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #26
You're going to be waiting a long time animal JackInGreen Aug 2015 #29
It's right there in your own post okasha Aug 2015 #73
So. You will have no trouble pointing it out, right? Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #86
"Bible study" and "prayer group." okasha Aug 2015 #104
As I thought. No debunking. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #121
ANnd no fact checking on your part. okasha Aug 2015 #130
My link provided supported fact from right wing humans who prayed with her. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #136
None of which is evidence that she belonged to the Family. okasha Aug 2015 #140
I hope you draw comfort from that while she prayed regularly with bigots and praised the fascist Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #144
Not only praised the fascist but went to him with 'spiritual' concerns..she's a member. nt haikugal Aug 2015 #201
I was attacked relentlessly and told it was debunked repeatedly, yet not one person provided proof peacebird Aug 2015 #163
DEBUNKED? Hillary said she was a member and took solace in the scripture? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #35
The Family has no female members. okasha Aug 2015 #69
You mean they are that barbaric and vile? aspirant Aug 2015 #75
Well, no.... haikugal Aug 2015 #202
*chortle nt artislife Aug 2015 #77
Yeah I actually went to "PrisonPlanet" to see if they had shit like this ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #183
You dare not sleep, Hill's "Family" may slip a pod under your bed. oasis Aug 2015 #132
They've already tried to associate his support for Israel with the fundamentalist's at Liberty. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #15
I know, right. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #36
Yes, the hypocrisy of some of Bernie's supporters is amazing. If Hillary had made plans pnwmom Aug 2015 #16
I'm about as "thrilled" as I was when I found out Ted Kennedy spoke there. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #17
Now she is free to make those plans aspirant Aug 2015 #18
She probably thinks there are better places to find people who are likely to vote pnwmom Aug 2015 #20
she's progressive? MoveIt Aug 2015 #21
Bernie's voting record is only slightly to the left of hers. Biden and O'Malley's are to her right. pnwmom Aug 2015 #27
Giving George W. Bush a blank check for the Iraq war was not "progressive" MoveIt Aug 2015 #30
The Democrats didn't give him a blank check. Their resolution contained pnwmom Aug 2015 #39
That site, Hillary and other neo-liberals can rationalize the vote MoveIt Aug 2015 #41
Me neither. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #55
Thanks for the welcome! MoveIt Aug 2015 #56
When it comes to civil rights Bernie is FAR to the left of Hillary. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #31
Not true. Sanders voted to enable anti-latino Minuteman militias in 2006. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #58
That lie was a smear that came from a banned member and the thread was locked. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #60
As a Latina artislife Aug 2015 #80
But I read in that thread that he hates immigrants and brown people. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #88
He does artislife Aug 2015 #90
First we have to pry that AK 47 out of his gun nutter hands! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #93
This guy missing his AK 47 artislife Aug 2015 #117
Hillary, aka 'Annie Oakley' and Obama both support the rights of gun owners. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #120
I am not afraid of Bernie either, but the gun nuts he panders to are another matter. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #91
Obama called Hillary "Annie Oakley" when she pandered to gun nuts in 2008. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #95
Hillary has had the guts to talk gun control, while Bernie has avoided it. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #102
Except not only he has talked about gun control, he voted for it: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112
Why.....this looks like gun control?! nt artislife Aug 2015 #122
What about this?: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #125
It cannnot be...no I won't believe artislife Aug 2015 #127
LMAO! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #134
Well we do have comfy chairs here.... artislife Aug 2015 #137
I saw that! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #139
He could have tampered with the bottle artislife Aug 2015 #142
He's like Savoir-Faire, he is everywhere! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #145
I think he's hiding near my recycle bin...nt artislife Aug 2015 #146
That doesn't make up for his votes AGAINST the Brady Bill and FOR the PLCAA. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #147
He has nothing to make up for. I agree with him about the PLCAA and he explained his vote on the BB beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #149
So I caught you in a lie all you can offer is some lame campaign graphic. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #153
Why am I not surprised you're accusing me of lying because I proved you wrong? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #154
You did not prove me wrong. Your undated campaign graphic proves nothing. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #155
He spoke about it on Jul 27, and I already explained why banning makes more sense than trying to sue beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157
There is no date on that graphic. Nor does that quote refer to Charleston. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #158
Offs, he DID speak about gun violence and racism after Charleston. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #159
He didn't talk about guns in response to Charleston. You have proven nothing. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #161
A properly functioning weapon - no matter how lethal - is NOT by definition defective. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #166
It is clear you do not know product liability law. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #168
Bernie's record on civil rights is superior to Hillary's, your opinion doesn't change that. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #169
My opinion counts and is the same as the vast majority of people of color. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #170
Not as a FACT it doesn't. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #171
The claim that Bernie's position on civil rights is "FAR to the left of Hillary" is an opinion. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #172
Not unless you dismiss her history of opposing equal rights for lgbt people. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #173
Hillary's position on LGBT rights is the same as Bernie's. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #174
I said her HISTORY of opposing equal rights for lgbt people. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #175
Nope, that is not what you said. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #177
What I said exactly in that post: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #178
I addressed Bernie's problematic voting history above. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #179
No, you don't get to go back to your first train wreck, this is about CIVIL RIGHTS. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #180
As a Latina lunamagica Aug 2015 #190
I do not engage artislife Aug 2015 #191
Sure, ignore this fact if you wish. No problem eom lunamagica Aug 2015 #192
I am citing to the Congressional Record, not some locked thread. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #87
Ikr? "That racist gun nut Bernie hates brown people" was last month's meme. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #92
Your words, not mine. How is the Congressional Record a "smear"? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #98
That's exactly it Nite Owl Aug 2015 #119
In 2008 it was popular to support gun owners and oppose same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #124
Yeah, except for that whole "war" thingy and the catastrophic "Arab spring" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #47
You are on fire! artislife Aug 2015 #89
Places that charge a $3,000 admission n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #44
Like the home of a wealthy donor? frylock Aug 2015 #46
Bernie has been up front that he is going after everyone's vote. That he won't abandon the red Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #51
Of course he's going after every vote - he'll need them to get above 20% in the polls! George II Aug 2015 #94
They might not pay enough....nt artislife Aug 2015 #28
IF IF IF... your hypothetical isn't relevant or based in reality. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #45
Pretty desperate lie you got there. Nope, Hillary is not a member of "The Family." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #33
"But she had also relied on the "extended faith family" that came to her aid" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #52
Your blogger source, "dogemperor," basically says the same nothing. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #68
That was a women's prayer group she belonged to, okasha Aug 2015 #116
It is really dispicable to bash her for turning to prayer when she was in pain. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #150
That reads as something similar to the story of Tammy Faye Bakker. delrem Aug 2015 #151
True. She is only the next tier down a "Friend of the Family". Pro Choice or political calculation TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #57
Under your standard, Bernie speaking at Liberty University makes him a "Friend of the Family." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #71
It isn't my standard but rather the prosperity cult's. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #106
Innuendo and conspiracy theories is all you have. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #148
Not Sharlet, Coe...Doug Coe... haikugal Aug 2015 #203
Is this the way that Sanders' followers.... George II Aug 2015 #38
You think he needs cover? JackInGreen Aug 2015 #48
Sadly, based on recent polls, he's not doing that, he IS talking to people that agree with him. George II Aug 2015 #50
There is a "Poll" in Portland this weekend! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #59
When HC supporters try to paint him as sympathetic to homophobes, sexists and anti-semites, yes beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #78
He does not need a cover. Good 840high Aug 2015 #110
He probably doesn't, but many of his followers feel he does. George II Aug 2015 #114
lol NCTraveler Aug 2015 #42
Great retort! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #62
It doesn't deserve the respect of any more thought than that. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #176
When was Hillary associated with the Family? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #49
As First Lady and as a Senator she attended regular prayer meetings. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #61
Ooooh, regular prayer meetings, like that's something to be avoided? MILLIONS of good... George II Aug 2015 #66
Regular prayer meetings with fundamentalist bigots. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #72
Most likely "it has been reported", huh? George II Aug 2015 #76
Reported in an extremely well researched book. So well researched that the organization, The Family Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #129
What did they pray for? aspirant Aug 2015 #81
Ask cosmic kitten, she seems to be the expert on these secret taboo prayer meetings. George II Aug 2015 #83
You seem to disagree and know the content, so I'm asking you. aspirant Aug 2015 #99
No, I dont understand why things is even posted about Hillary joining a prayer group. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #84
Deoends on who you pray with. 840high Aug 2015 #113
I got it, she joined a prayer group, good for Hillary. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #70
Apparently that's taboo for Sanders' followers. George II Aug 2015 #82
Yes, we hate Christians and the Baby Jesus too. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #97
She joined a prayer group organized by a decades long fascist promoting organization.. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #101
And now Bernie is going to speak at Liberty University, LU does not have a great Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #103
Because you don't win new votes by only talking to people who already agree with you. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #186
Did you read the book, now? okasha Aug 2015 #107
Yes. I read the book. I'm on my "smart" phone and too lazy to correct it after 2 tries. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #126
Yes, yes, and yes. okasha Aug 2015 #128
And yet, you've not presented one shred of evidence that I am wrong other than you say so. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #131
I have a better idea. okasha Aug 2015 #135
Nope. Still looking for that debunking. That was the best idea not yet addressed. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #138
I suggest everyone read his book, it's excellent. haikugal Aug 2015 #204
Do you have the Google on your interwebz? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #63
A sure of abject desperation.....I wonder what the smears will be like in January 2016? George II Aug 2015 #67
Probably just like they are today. Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #79
No smears, just wishing Hillary well as a civilian grandmother aspirant Aug 2015 #85
Serious question? Hydra Aug 2015 #100
I don't see how any thinking person can believe in a God to start with. jalan48 Aug 2015 #74
I agree. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #160
Bernie comes close, though. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #164
Yes he does. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #165
They're feeling it now! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167
thank you for posting this, it was my first thought too CanadaexPat Aug 2015 #96
As is Liberty University, I would have skipped this one. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #105
its not that kind of church MoveIt Aug 2015 #207
As George Costanza says..... George II Aug 2015 #118
Maybe because the charges against Clinton are Bull. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #123
Hillary was a regularly attendee. This was not a once a year event. Why does every Hillary pretend Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #141
*shudder..nt artislife Aug 2015 #143
Yup that's the article Buzz cook Aug 2015 #152
So....Hillary needed Coe's help to get facetime with Bill? jeff47 Aug 2015 #187
Oh please, you're just being snarky. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #193
The title was. But you brought up using them for access to the president. jeff47 Aug 2015 #195
Obama didn't support gay marriage either. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #199
Yep. But Obama didn't join the Family's prayer groups on a regular basis jeff47 Aug 2015 #200
. stonecutter357 Aug 2015 #181
K$R because WE CAN DO BETTER Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #184
The "faithful" must deny that this happened! MoveIt Aug 2015 #185
Hillary is just hanging out with her people artislife Aug 2015 #188
They pray to stay in office, and create a "Christian Nation" Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #189
Hillary is NOT part of "The Family". She went to meetings to schmooze and appear KittyWampus Aug 2015 #194
You do realize that is worse, right? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #196
We aren't talking about attending prayer breakfasts... haikugal Aug 2015 #205
Stench of hypocricy? Very interesting discussion: George II Aug 2015 #197
*snort* beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #198
More.. haikugal Aug 2015 #206
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