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2016 Postmortem

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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
113. That's why shining a noise generator at the press is SO troubling.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

Keeping what is said to the rich people who benefit so much from government action secret is undemocratic. Since we don't know what was said, we can't tell if there's anything criminal to worry about.

Here's why I think that there may be something to think about:



The Clintons Have Not Changed: The Clintonian War on the IGs

By William K. Black
February 23, 2016 Bloomington, MN

Secretary Hillary Clinton is asking Democratic voters to believe that she has experienced a “Road to Damascus” conversion from her roots as a leader of the “New Democrats” – the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. When exactly this conversion occurred is never stated, but an interesting fact has emerged that demonstrates it did not occur during her service as the Secretary of State. A Wall Street Journal story provides the key facts, but none of the analysis.

Newly released emails indicate that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top staff were involved in the selection process for the State Department’s internal watchdog, a position that ultimately went unfilled throughout her four-year tenure.


The WSJ’s angle is that such involvement in the selection of the Inspector General (IG) is a threat to the IG’s vital independence. True, and also true as the story notes that Hillary was far from rare as an agency or department head in seeking to select behind the scenes the supposedly independent IGs.

The function of the IG is to “speak truth to power.” Naturally, “power” hates IGs with a purple passion. Government leaders are most likely to hate having its abuses made public by IG when the government leader is secretly acting in concert with immensely powerful private leaders for their mutual benefit at the expense of the public.

What the WSJ missed is that the Clinton’s, for decades, have sought to destroy the independence and effectiveness of the IGs precisely because of the threat that they pose of blowing the whistle on these abuses. The Obama administration, of course, is famous for its prosecutions of those who blow the whistle on such abuses. The real story is not that Hillary attempted to select a lap dog as IG – the real story is that for her entire tenure as Secretary, four years, she left unfilled the leadership position of the only institution in the State Department dedicated to maintaining integrity and preventing the abuse of public power to aid cronies. That aid, of course, comes with the clear expectation that the cronies will make the head of the State Department wealthy as soon as she or he steps down. There is no possible defense for that, and it does not happen accidentally. The primary blame goes to President Obama, who made no nomination for the position for the entire four years. It wasn’t Republican intransigence that explains this scandal.

CONTINUED...

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/03/clintons-not-changed-clintonian-war-igs.html#more-10101


Bill Black is one of "those" economists who won't play ball with the money crowd. Why? He does things in the open. Coincidentally, of course.
The Anti-Noise Machine [View all] H2O Man Apr 2016 OP
Yep it is true... I posted a youtube video of it in this other post GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2016 #8
Has the press that were in attendance reported on this? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #2
Fyi NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
I mean other than the guy making the claim? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #14
I thought I put the link in. Sorry NWCorona Apr 2016 #15
That's the guy that reported it ... There were other members of the press there ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #21
Good question but it seems like he was there tho NWCorona Apr 2016 #23
This will simmer much longer as conspiracy theories travel around the world ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #25
I don't really see the conspiracy angle NWCorona Apr 2016 #27
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #33
It very well might not have been Hillary but the organizer NWCorona Apr 2016 #36
Or, it didn't happen. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #38
True! I never said with certainty that it did indeed happen. NWCorona Apr 2016 #39
It's not. H2O Man Apr 2016 #42
People who don't like the message, often like to say "conspiracy theorist.'' Octafish Apr 2016 #97
And people that don't like reality, seek conspiracies ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #108
That's why shining a noise generator at the press is SO troubling. Octafish Apr 2016 #113
Shouldn't that read ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #114
No, that's what happened. Your mis- or disinformation enters doubt it. Octafish Apr 2016 #118
LOL ... Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #119
The "guy" who reported it is a local reporter for KCNC TV in Denver, Autumn Apr 2016 #29
I have done a quick internet search and he is the only one reporting having problems ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #35
Well I haven't caught any of our local reporters in a lie yet. I'm still waiting for your Autumn Apr 2016 #40
I haven't seen the national corporate media conglomerates cover the Arizona voter suppression Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #44
A fair question might be H2O Man Apr 2016 #45
Yeah, right. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #54
Well you do seem to be looking to them for proof. Autumn Apr 2016 #57
Well ... they would be the only ones ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #59
They could I imagine. Maybe they just figured it would be of no interest to their viewers. Autumn Apr 2016 #63
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #68
I'd like to see some independent verification as well. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #115
LOL ... But what about the 40,000 DU re-posts of it? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #66
It's very possible they didn't pick it up. joshcryer Apr 2016 #107
I don't think reporters are terrible people. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #111
Someone analyzed the sound compared with white noise... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #16
Who is "someone"? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #22
On twitter GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #24
Are you seeing a pattern here? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #26
Well you are welcome to open the Clinton clip and generate white noise and compare yourself... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #30
Well ... No I can't ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #37
Yeah...a refusal to accept reality noiretextatique Apr 2016 #58
Conspiracy theories are rarely reality. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #60
Just because you don't believe the reporter noiretextatique Apr 2016 #61
And just because you choose to believe him ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #82
I'm labelling this a C/T because it is hard to believe that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #91
Okay ... I apologize and will self-delete ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #96
you can't say that "no one else present experienced" this. grasswire Apr 2016 #106
That is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #110
I'm fine with it, when people tell you who they are you should listen to them Fumesucker Apr 2016 #3
Exactly...we know who she is. nt haikugal Apr 2016 #5
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #46
What could she have said that she is afraid for the voters to hear? guillaumeb Apr 2016 #4
Good questons. H2O Man Apr 2016 #9
Or, perhaps it didn't happen? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #18
And yet you bought Capehart's fictions about those protest photos, Capehart not even born when they Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #84
and the fact that NONE of the major news orgs have picked this up bigtree Apr 2016 #87
I don't believe it is a charge of the campaign ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #90
I meant campaign in a general sense bigtree Apr 2016 #92
We don't really have news anymore . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #11
Mainly we just have paid endorsers posing as 'news' these days HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #32
K&R myrna minx Apr 2016 #7
Thanks H2O Man Apr 2016 #47
Her message is no secret, it is "Don't pay any attention to what I say on the campaign.We all good" Vincardog Apr 2016 #10
I agree H2O Man Apr 2016 #48
Remember the transcripts? mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #12
Yep! H2O Man Apr 2016 #49
Sounds even more paranoid than Nixon sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #13
I have found H2O Man Apr 2016 #50
She guards her words to the elite Milestone Apr 2016 #17
It always seems to be about HER... KoKo Apr 2016 #19
Exactly. H2O Man Apr 2016 #52
Great point! H2O Man Apr 2016 #51
K&R Little_Wing Apr 2016 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2016 #53
I think her message is more than clear Kalidurga Apr 2016 #28
Well said. H2O Man Apr 2016 #55
not that different from the "noise machine" they use on the internet GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #31
You are right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #56
I agree absolutely Time for change Apr 2016 #34
The sad thing is H2O Man Apr 2016 #41
Yes -- so sad! Time for change Apr 2016 #126
he's been caught in several lies this week bigtree Apr 2016 #43
Any Democrat who thinks this is acceptable behavior for a candidate is just plain wrong. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #62
Definitely. H2O Man Apr 2016 #71
Anyone buying this, Democrat or otherwise, is ... well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #93
Goldman Sachs deliberately destroyed our eToys public co. laserhaas Apr 2016 #64
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #72
Hope someone there transcribes laserhaas Apr 2016 #65
I hope so. H2O Man Apr 2016 #73
Transparency: "Er... no thanks." says hill artislife Apr 2016 #69
As it becomes weirder, H2O Man Apr 2016 #74
Hey...they can get away with ANYthin laserhaas Apr 2016 #78
Yeah, but the Clinton News Network didn't report it, so it's just a conspiracy theory ... Scuba Apr 2016 #70
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #75
Moi became disheartened to learn the Vkice of America laserhaas Apr 2016 #77
I was 15 when JFK was shot and I figured out our media was lying to us within a few months. Scuba Apr 2016 #79
Minister Malcolm X used H2O Man Apr 2016 #80
So true, so pointed and so confirmed by the media's broad complicity in smearing him. Scuba Apr 2016 #83
All main stream media has become faux propaganda news laserhaas Apr 2016 #76
It is best we don't know what is best for us. nt raouldukelives Apr 2016 #81
Right! H2O Man Apr 2016 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author Bad Thoughts Apr 2016 #85
Hillary Clinton is a Noise Machine Bad Thoughts Apr 2016 #86
Well said! H2O Man Apr 2016 #99
Undemocratic as all get out. Octafish Apr 2016 #89
Yep. H2O Man Apr 2016 #100
Recommend. Zorra Apr 2016 #95
There you go! H2O Man Apr 2016 #101
That was my first thought, too. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #102
I always thought Hillary was enough of a noise machine nichomachus Apr 2016 #103
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2016 #120
But the Hillary supporters would rather freak out over Bernie and the Vatican. nt retrowire Apr 2016 #104
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #121
Release the transcripts. eom JEB Apr 2016 #105
Right! H2O Man Apr 2016 #122
... kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #109
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2016 #123
If you aren't upset, it's called being a HYPOCRITE. Skwmom Apr 2016 #112
Seriously. H2O Man Apr 2016 #124
Maybe it wasn't white noise, just the NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #116
True. H2O Man Apr 2016 #125
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