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H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:37 PM Apr 2016

The Anti-Noise Machine

I’m sure that many people here received an e-mail from Jeff Weaver, the Sanders Campaign Manager, regarding an event last night in Colorado. But, for those who may have missed it, I would like to share some of its contents.

Last night, Hillary hosted a fund-raiser in a state that has already caucused. The top seats went for $27,000; others paid $2,700 for their seats.

“But a crazy thing happened when she got ready to speak. Her campaign actually ‘turned on a static noise machine’ pointed at the press so they couldn’t hear what she was saying to the financial elite in attendance.”

I’m sure that the Clinton supporters on this forum think that is just dandy. I’m not as confident that they would have approved if, say, George W. Bush had done the same thing in 2000 or 2004. But they seem to use an ethical slide-ruler to measure what is okay for a candidate to do.

As a supporter of Bernie Sanders, I find that objectionable. It reinforces the belief that Hillary’s message to the elite is not only different from her message to the peasants classes, but has to be kept extra-super-secret.

Peace,
H2O Man

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The Anti-Noise Machine (Original Post) H2O Man Apr 2016 OP
Yep it is true... I posted a youtube video of it in this other post GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2016 #8
Has the press that were in attendance reported on this? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #2
Fyi NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
I mean other than the guy making the claim? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #14
I thought I put the link in. Sorry NWCorona Apr 2016 #15
That's the guy that reported it ... There were other members of the press there ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #21
Good question but it seems like he was there tho NWCorona Apr 2016 #23
This will simmer much longer as conspiracy theories travel around the world ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #25
I don't really see the conspiracy angle NWCorona Apr 2016 #27
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #33
It very well might not have been Hillary but the organizer NWCorona Apr 2016 #36
Or, it didn't happen. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #38
True! I never said with certainty that it did indeed happen. NWCorona Apr 2016 #39
It's not. H2O Man Apr 2016 #42
People who don't like the message, often like to say "conspiracy theorist.'' Octafish Apr 2016 #97
And people that don't like reality, seek conspiracies ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #108
That's why shining a noise generator at the press is SO troubling. Octafish Apr 2016 #113
Shouldn't that read ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #114
No, that's what happened. Your mis- or disinformation enters doubt it. Octafish Apr 2016 #118
LOL ... Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #119
The "guy" who reported it is a local reporter for KCNC TV in Denver, Autumn Apr 2016 #29
I have done a quick internet search and he is the only one reporting having problems ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #35
Well I haven't caught any of our local reporters in a lie yet. I'm still waiting for your Autumn Apr 2016 #40
I haven't seen the national corporate media conglomerates cover the Arizona voter suppression Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #44
A fair question might be H2O Man Apr 2016 #45
Yeah, right. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #54
Well you do seem to be looking to them for proof. Autumn Apr 2016 #57
Well ... they would be the only ones ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #59
They could I imagine. Maybe they just figured it would be of no interest to their viewers. Autumn Apr 2016 #63
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #68
I'd like to see some independent verification as well. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #115
LOL ... But what about the 40,000 DU re-posts of it? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #66
It's very possible they didn't pick it up. joshcryer Apr 2016 #107
I don't think reporters are terrible people. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #111
Someone analyzed the sound compared with white noise... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #16
Who is "someone"? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #22
On twitter GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #24
Are you seeing a pattern here? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #26
Well you are welcome to open the Clinton clip and generate white noise and compare yourself... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #30
Well ... No I can't ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #37
Yeah...a refusal to accept reality noiretextatique Apr 2016 #58
Conspiracy theories are rarely reality. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #60
Just because you don't believe the reporter noiretextatique Apr 2016 #61
And just because you choose to believe him ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #82
I'm labelling this a C/T because it is hard to believe that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #91
Okay ... I apologize and will self-delete ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #96
you can't say that "no one else present experienced" this. grasswire Apr 2016 #106
That is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #110
I'm fine with it, when people tell you who they are you should listen to them Fumesucker Apr 2016 #3
Exactly...we know who she is. nt haikugal Apr 2016 #5
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #46
What could she have said that she is afraid for the voters to hear? guillaumeb Apr 2016 #4
Good questons. H2O Man Apr 2016 #9
Or, perhaps it didn't happen? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #18
And yet you bought Capehart's fictions about those protest photos, Capehart not even born when they Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #84
and the fact that NONE of the major news orgs have picked this up bigtree Apr 2016 #87
I don't believe it is a charge of the campaign ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #90
I meant campaign in a general sense bigtree Apr 2016 #92
We don't really have news anymore . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #11
Mainly we just have paid endorsers posing as 'news' these days HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #32
K&R myrna minx Apr 2016 #7
Thanks H2O Man Apr 2016 #47
Her message is no secret, it is "Don't pay any attention to what I say on the campaign.We all good" Vincardog Apr 2016 #10
I agree H2O Man Apr 2016 #48
Remember the transcripts? mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #12
Yep! H2O Man Apr 2016 #49
Sounds even more paranoid than Nixon sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #13
I have found H2O Man Apr 2016 #50
She guards her words to the elite Milestone Apr 2016 #17
It always seems to be about HER... KoKo Apr 2016 #19
Exactly. H2O Man Apr 2016 #52
Great point! H2O Man Apr 2016 #51
K&R Little_Wing Apr 2016 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2016 #53
I think her message is more than clear Kalidurga Apr 2016 #28
Well said. H2O Man Apr 2016 #55
not that different from the "noise machine" they use on the internet GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #31
You are right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #56
I agree absolutely Time for change Apr 2016 #34
The sad thing is H2O Man Apr 2016 #41
Yes -- so sad! Time for change Apr 2016 #126
he's been caught in several lies this week bigtree Apr 2016 #43
Any Democrat who thinks this is acceptable behavior for a candidate is just plain wrong. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #62
Definitely. H2O Man Apr 2016 #71
Anyone buying this, Democrat or otherwise, is ... well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #93
Goldman Sachs deliberately destroyed our eToys public co. laserhaas Apr 2016 #64
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #72
Hope someone there transcribes laserhaas Apr 2016 #65
I hope so. H2O Man Apr 2016 #73
Transparency: "Er... no thanks." says hill artislife Apr 2016 #69
As it becomes weirder, H2O Man Apr 2016 #74
Hey...they can get away with ANYthin laserhaas Apr 2016 #78
Yeah, but the Clinton News Network didn't report it, so it's just a conspiracy theory ... Scuba Apr 2016 #70
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #75
Moi became disheartened to learn the Vkice of America laserhaas Apr 2016 #77
I was 15 when JFK was shot and I figured out our media was lying to us within a few months. Scuba Apr 2016 #79
Minister Malcolm X used H2O Man Apr 2016 #80
So true, so pointed and so confirmed by the media's broad complicity in smearing him. Scuba Apr 2016 #83
All main stream media has become faux propaganda news laserhaas Apr 2016 #76
It is best we don't know what is best for us. nt raouldukelives Apr 2016 #81
Right! H2O Man Apr 2016 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author Bad Thoughts Apr 2016 #85
Hillary Clinton is a Noise Machine Bad Thoughts Apr 2016 #86
Well said! H2O Man Apr 2016 #99
Undemocratic as all get out. Octafish Apr 2016 #89
Yep. H2O Man Apr 2016 #100
Recommend. Zorra Apr 2016 #95
There you go! H2O Man Apr 2016 #101
That was my first thought, too. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #102
I always thought Hillary was enough of a noise machine nichomachus Apr 2016 #103
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2016 #120
But the Hillary supporters would rather freak out over Bernie and the Vatican. nt retrowire Apr 2016 #104
Right. H2O Man Apr 2016 #121
Release the transcripts. eom JEB Apr 2016 #105
Right! H2O Man Apr 2016 #122
... kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #109
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2016 #123
If you aren't upset, it's called being a HYPOCRITE. Skwmom Apr 2016 #112
Seriously. H2O Man Apr 2016 #124
Maybe it wasn't white noise, just the NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #116
True. H2O Man Apr 2016 #125
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
1. Yep it is true... I posted a youtube video of it in this other post
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511677584

The Hillary spin was that this is a lie because it is impossible Dr. Who technology that won't exist for another 30 years....
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. I mean other than the guy making the claim?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

I tend to disbelieve people that claims something happened that only they saw ... and that make a videos with editorial comments posted to said video to prove their point.

But that's just me ...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. That's the guy that reported it ... There were other members of the press there ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

did any of them report on it.

I'm pretty sure if they were hearing things ... and then, sudden, were unable anything, they would have talked among themselves about it and reported on it.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
23. Good question but it seems like he was there tho
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

This will simmer over the weekend and we will find out soon enough what really happened.

It's not a good look if it turns out to be true.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. This will simmer much longer as conspiracy theories travel around the world ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

and are repeated over and over again ... before reality logs on in the morning.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
27. I don't really see the conspiracy angle
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

It's not like it was a super private meeting or something.

For me it's not a question of what she said but why she chose to use this device.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
36. It very well might not have been Hillary but the organizer
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

Who knows but this has been in the media for awhile and I haven't seen a response from the campaign yet.
Granted I'm not looking to hard.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
39. True! I never said with certainty that it did indeed happen.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

I posted a satire article on this from gizmodo and they mentioned that they reached out to Hillary for a comment.

I'm willing to wait and see.

H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
42. It's not.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

Calling it a "conspiracy theory" is a weak attempt to dismiss it. Rather than deal with the real issue, all energy is invested in an attempt to discredit those who have spoken about it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
97. People who don't like the message, often like to say "conspiracy theorist.''
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

Works like a charm to shut down discussion. What a coincidence!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
113. That's why shining a noise generator at the press is SO troubling.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

Keeping what is said to the rich people who benefit so much from government action secret is undemocratic. Since we don't know what was said, we can't tell if there's anything criminal to worry about.

Here's why I think that there may be something to think about:



The Clintons Have Not Changed: The Clintonian War on the IGs

By William K. Black
February 23, 2016 Bloomington, MN

Secretary Hillary Clinton is asking Democratic voters to believe that she has experienced a “Road to Damascus” conversion from her roots as a leader of the “New Democrats” – the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. When exactly this conversion occurred is never stated, but an interesting fact has emerged that demonstrates it did not occur during her service as the Secretary of State. A Wall Street Journal story provides the key facts, but none of the analysis.

Newly released emails indicate that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top staff were involved in the selection process for the State Department’s internal watchdog, a position that ultimately went unfilled throughout her four-year tenure.


The WSJ’s angle is that such involvement in the selection of the Inspector General (IG) is a threat to the IG’s vital independence. True, and also true as the story notes that Hillary was far from rare as an agency or department head in seeking to select behind the scenes the supposedly independent IGs.

The function of the IG is to “speak truth to power.” Naturally, “power” hates IGs with a purple passion. Government leaders are most likely to hate having its abuses made public by IG when the government leader is secretly acting in concert with immensely powerful private leaders for their mutual benefit at the expense of the public.

What the WSJ missed is that the Clinton’s, for decades, have sought to destroy the independence and effectiveness of the IGs precisely because of the threat that they pose of blowing the whistle on these abuses. The Obama administration, of course, is famous for its prosecutions of those who blow the whistle on such abuses. The real story is not that Hillary attempted to select a lap dog as IG – the real story is that for her entire tenure as Secretary, four years, she left unfilled the leadership position of the only institution in the State Department dedicated to maintaining integrity and preventing the abuse of public power to aid cronies. That aid, of course, comes with the clear expectation that the cronies will make the head of the State Department wealthy as soon as she or he steps down. There is no possible defense for that, and it does not happen accidentally. The primary blame goes to President Obama, who made no nomination for the position for the entire four years. It wasn’t Republican intransigence that explains this scandal.

CONTINUED...

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/03/clintons-not-changed-clintonian-war-igs.html#more-10101


Bill Black is one of "those" economists who won't play ball with the money crowd. Why? He does things in the open. Coincidentally, of course.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
114. Shouldn't that read ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016
That's why for those willing, and wanting, to believe that there was a shining of a noise generator at the press is SO troubling.


IF it occurred, I would agree that it was outrageous conduct ... but, it has yet to be established that anything nefarious occurred.

Autumn

(45,145 posts)
29. The "guy" who reported it is a local reporter for KCNC TV in Denver,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

where her fund raiser was. I imagine any media person there could have reported it... or not. The local reporter chose to report on it . If it's bothersome to you, and to put your mind at rest look to see who else was there and ask them for verification. Unless one of the other reporters decides to send out a press release saying the reporter is lying, it happened. And that is so Hillary.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. I have done a quick internet search and he is the only one reporting having problems ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

the others reporting on the fundraiser, local and national, don't seem to have been effected.

Unless one of the other reporters decides to send out a press release saying the reporter is lying, it happened.


I suspect they are too busy rolling their eyes ... and probably, now chuckling, to send out such a press release ... unless ... They're are all a part of the conspiracy!

Autumn

(45,145 posts)
40. Well I haven't caught any of our local reporters in a lie yet. I'm still waiting for your
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

national MSM to report that there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq and ISIS was not in Iraq before the US invaded them. Nothing yet but hey it could happen some day.

Uncle Joe

(58,900 posts)
44. I haven't seen the national corporate media conglomerates cover the Arizona voter suppression
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

on television yet either.

I have seen it on a couple of websites by CNN and local television reporting in Arizona.

H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
45. A fair question might be
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

which of the "national reporters" were at the event? It doesn't seem that fund-raisers tend to get much coverage, especially those held in states where the primary/caucus is past.

The fact that no "national reporter" has documented what Hillary said to her friends and associates at Goldman Sachs is not evidence, for example, that she never spoke to them. But if we followed the "logic" posed here, we could certainly conclude that she: (a) threatened to prosecute them for breaking the law; (b) demanded that they return the money they stole from the American public; and (c) has never even heard of Goldman Sachs.

Autumn

(45,145 posts)
63. They could I imagine. Maybe they just figured it would be of no interest to their viewers.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

The MSM does that a lot, can't imagine why.

thesquanderer

(12,047 posts)
115. I'd like to see some independent verification as well.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

But so far, it seems only one person claims to have witnessed this, and I don't think one person can qualify as a conspiracy.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
117. LOL ... But what about the 40,000 DU re-posts of it? ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016
And the 100,000 recs and arguments that it is/might be true?

All conspiracy theories start with a single claim and a bunch of "yeps".

Response to Autumn (Reply #29)

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
107. It's very possible they didn't pick it up.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016

This guy was obviously using a shotgun ranged mic with a telephoto lens. It's just as likely one guy picked it up. You can expect more to try this as time goes on to see what's up. Reporters aren't terrible people.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
16. Someone analyzed the sound compared with white noise...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016


And came to conclusion white noise is being pumped out to drown out the speech. See how it looks like the White noise is being blended into the sound from the speech video.
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
30. Well you are welcome to open the Clinton clip and generate white noise and compare yourself...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

Or are you just going to reject anything that is said because it will be bad for Clinton?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. Well ... No I can't ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016
Well you are welcome to open the Clinton clip and generate white noise and compare yourself...


I would have no idea how I would do that.

Or are you just going to reject anything that is said because it will be bad for Clinton?


No ... I'm just suspect of people that claims something happened that only they saw/experienced though other people were there ... and that make a videos with editorial comments posted to said video to prove their point.

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
88. I'm labelling this a C/T because it is hard to believe that ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

so many would believe that this reporter reported experiencing something that no one else present experienced ... and the proof of the conspiracy (per the believers) is no one in the MSM has reported on what they didn't experience.

I'm sorry ...

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #88)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
94. Okay ... I apologize and will self-delete ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

despite my firm belief that this "static noise machine" meme is beyond ridiculous.

ETA: Nope ... I'm not going to self-delete ... when you are willing to accept/defend craziness as truth, you should expect to be laughed at.

But, take heart ... should the craziness turn out to be true, you get the last laugh.

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
106. you can't say that "no one else present experienced" this.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

You might say that no one reported. But you can't say truthfully that no one experienced it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
110. That is true ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:49 PM
Apr 2016

But I would think that a gaggle of reporters that suddenly got shut out would report on it.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. I'm fine with it, when people tell you who they are you should listen to them
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary was certainly telling we lumpenproletariat who she is with that noise machine.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. What could she have said that she is afraid for the voters to hear?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

And why was this not covered on the news?

H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
9. Good questons.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:50 PM
Apr 2016

In regard to your second question, it would almost seem that the corporate media has an agenda, which dictates the quality of their reporting.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
18. Or, perhaps it didn't happen?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

I tend to disbelieve people that claim something happened and only they saw it ... no one else.

Especially when they post a video like the one going around.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
84. And yet you bought Capehart's fictions about those protest photos, Capehart not even born when they
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

were taken gave his gossip testimony and that was enough. The fact that esteemed photographer Danny Lyon said the photos were of Bernie was discounted in favor of some stuff Jonathan was saying. Capehart's source was a woman who was not there at all either. He and his boosters in media and on DU rejected the actual witnesses and actual records and took up as fact a bunch of crap said by people who were not there, not born, just not valid sources at all.

Consistency is very important when trying to sell a persona. If you happily accept the single sourced gossip of Capehart it is not consistent to then demand that other stories have several sources and specific sorts of sources. 'When it serves me, I'm fine with taking the word of one guy who was not present based on the word of one woman who was also not present. When it does not serve me, I demand multiple verified sources, video and sworn depositions!!!!'


Situational ethics are not really ethics at all.

bigtree

(86,282 posts)
87. and the fact that NONE of the major news orgs have picked this up
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

...just the usual right-wing suspects like Townhall.

This has to be the most absurd, bizarre charge of the campaign.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
90. I don't believe it is a charge of the campaign ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

in fact, I suspect the campaign is saying, "Dude, STFU! Don't help me, help the bear!"*

* Old saying regarding help that ain't helping : "If you see me and a bear in a fight, cover my ass with honey and help the bear."

But the scary thing is ... the willingness of some corners of DU to believe this stuff, even to the point of saying the proof of the conspiracy is that the MSM hasn't reported on what they didn't experience.

bigtree

(86,282 posts)
92. I meant campaign in a general sense
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

...like election.

But, you're right, over 100 recs from folks who likely couldn't identify a 'noise machine' placed in front of them, but willing to believe an uncorroborated and oblique description of one from a lone newsman. I think it's the function of an echo chamber of supporters who haven't been held as accountable as they've rendered Hillary supporters' posts - with punitive hides for 'debunked' charges from the Clinton camp and free passes for unproven and often false accusations from the Sanders contingent here.

The imbalance has emboldened them to talk down to Clinton supporters, questioning their values and integrity while promoting their own as superior and unassailable.

But, yeah, this 'noise machine' accusation is some serious silly-season shite.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
11. We don't really have news anymore .
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Just opinions and propaganda . When Sanders wins this it isn't only the banks that need breaking up .

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
10. Her message is no secret, it is "Don't pay any attention to what I say on the campaign.We all good"
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:50 PM
Apr 2016

Nudge nudged, wink wink, say nothing more
:IamTouchingMyNose:

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
12. Remember the transcripts?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

Somebody with skillz and stuff should take a pdf and apply an airbrush or image randomizer to the text (probably have to convert to bitmap), so that it's unreadable. Then send that out as Hillary releasing her transcripts.

Use a middle finger as a watermark

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
19. It always seems to be about HER...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

What else can one say about what drives her.

Bernie is "About the People." What better contrast can there be?

As the Campaign goes on it...becomes more and more obvious.

As You Say:

As a supporter of Bernie Sanders, I find that objectionable. It reinforces the belief that Hillary’s message to the elite is not only different from her message to the peasants classes, but has to be kept extra-super-secret.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
28. I think her message is more than clear
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

She tells BLM that she will only talk to white people. Bill says that BLM is giving comfort to murderers. She says I don't care that people are dying over not being able to cover co-pays. She says that free college is a bad idea cuz rich people might take advantage. She takes money from some of the worst industries as far as environmental abuse goes. She says Iraq was a business opportunity or maybe it was Libya or both doesn't matter bombs for bucks even once is terrible. So what exactly could she have said at that function that would be worse than what we already know?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
31. not that different from the "noise machine" they use on the internet
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

A wall of deflections, propaganda and bogus charges of sexism and misogyny no matter what the actual issue.

Time for change

(13,718 posts)
34. I agree absolutely
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

Do people really believe that she is getting all that money from multi-millionaires and billionaires and not planning to pay them back in return, at the expense of the rest of us?


H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
41. The sad thing is
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

that many of our friends here have actually made themselves believe what is unbelievable. Indeed, they are willing to accept that which is unacceptable. And they are willing -- no! eager -- to vote for a candidate who represents the very things they would oppose in any other candidate.

bigtree

(86,282 posts)
43. he's been caught in several lies this week
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

...and this smells like bull.

Look who's reporting this as fact: Gawker, Daily Mail. Examiner...all the usual suspects.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
64. Goldman Sachs deliberately destroyed our eToys public co.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

And no one taking millions from Wall Street is ever going to do anything about it.
.
Help U.S. oh Bernin one
............................................You ARE our only hope for justice
.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
78. Hey...they can get away with ANYthin
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:58 AM
Apr 2016

Since trickle down really meant

"We'll steal it all...pissing on them..and call it trickle down"

As the laughed at U.S. all...too scorn

Oligarchs now know they csn get away with ...ANY thing

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
70. Yeah, but the Clinton News Network didn't report it, so it's just a conspiracy theory ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:22 AM
Apr 2016

... being pushed by Berniebros. Only the Clinton News Network reports are real; everything else is just lies made up by women haters.

H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
75. Right.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

If Walter Cronkite hasn't reported on it, there's no way it actually happened. Life is simpler this way.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
79. I was 15 when JFK was shot and I figured out our media was lying to us within a few months.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

The media's total dismissal of Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald being a conspiracy was a real eye-opener. They never touched it but instead went with the "Ruby wanted to save Jackie the anguish of a trial" bullshit.

After that, Gulf of Tonkin smelled from the get-go.

“The heaviest restriction upon the freedom of public opinion is not the official censorship of a press, but the unofficial censorship by a press which exists not so much to express opinion as to manufacture it.”

Dorothy L. Sayers
1893-1957


British writer, essayist, playwright and translator.

H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
80. Minister Malcolm X used
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

to say that if you believe the media, you'll be carrying an umbrella on a sunny day, and getting soaked on a rainy day. I figure the public has been soaked by the media for some time.

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Bad Thoughts

(2,584 posts)
86. Hillary Clinton is a Noise Machine
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

She and her husband produce insubstantial speech that lacks meaning and solidity designed to misinform allies, ingratiate themselves to donors, and put down progressives. It is a style that destabilizes American political rhetoric.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
89. Undemocratic as all get out.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

If one can't share the message with everybody, there is something of special interest to the special interests.

Great post, H2O Man.

H2O Man

(73,994 posts)
100. Yep.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

Two of my cousins and I put some more hours in going door-to-door today. The people we encountered all had one thing in common: they want real change in our nation. We covered a neighborhood that combines "low income" and "student" housing.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
95. Recommend.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe she learned a lesson from Mitt Romney's damaging "47 percent" comment to his "wealthy contributors only"?

Bet Mitt wishes he had the foresight to use a noise machine at this event with his wealthy contributors:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
102. That was my first thought, too.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Can't let the peons hear what the Masters of the Universe think of them.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
103. I always thought Hillary was enough of a noise machine
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

I know that whenever she babbles on, all I can hear is static.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
116. Maybe it wasn't white noise, just the
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

sounds of our reptilian overlords which are inaudible to the human ear.

Maybe.

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