2016 Postmortem

Time for change

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65. Complaints have changed a lot of things at all levels of government -- throughout world history

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:38 PM

Mar 2016

It depends on how many complaints there are and how the targets of the complaints perceive the threats to themselves for not addressing them adequately.

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Bernie Supporters in Washington Demand that superdelegates Respect the Wishes of their Constituents [View all] Time for change Mar 2016 OP

Should they consider their state's will or favorability ratings? MadBadger Mar 2016 #1

In my opinion they should consider both Time for change Mar 2016 #8

Both sides of his mouth? Either side will do - both are correct. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #25

How about considering the will of the DEMOCRATS they represent? Subtract all those Independents, an Jitter65 Mar 2016 #66

Why subtract the independents? Time for change Mar 2016 #69

When the Anti-Establishment Candidate wins by a Landslide FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #2

Agreed! CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #18

When the landslide consisted of a caucus that is held with limited hours? LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #53

Bernie won every single county in the state. If the WA super delegates don't switch, they liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #3

What in the hell are these super delegates thinking? Aerows Mar 2016 #11

I know. That was the icing on the cake. He won all counties in all three states yesterday. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #13

Yes it is amazing monicaangela Mar 2016 #51

With less than 10% of the voters participating. kennetha Mar 2016 #77

directly against the will of less than 10% of the voters. kennetha Mar 2016 #76

Exactly !!! SamKnause Mar 2016 #86

20,400 signatures now. Including mine. opiate69 Mar 2016 #4

that'll scare 'em kennetha Mar 2016 #78

When did the Clinton camp ever care about the will of the people? libtodeath Mar 2016 #5

The party should really do away with supers, that being said I have no problem if they switch. Agschmid Mar 2016 #6

This whining is getting ridicules.... Henhouse Mar 2016 #7

I don't see anything childish about it Time for change Mar 2016 #9

Gee thanks for explaining how small d democracy works to me.... Henhouse Mar 2016 #20

and "that" is exactly the problem 0rganism Mar 2016 #37

You forget that now many super-delegates are lobbyists beholding only to special interests Dragonfli Mar 2016 #46

i assumed WA Sanders supporters weren't even addressing the lobbyist superdelegates 0rganism Mar 2016 #47

I agree, the super delegates have their place against a Trump like figure, but are being misused Dragonfli Mar 2016 #49

other than the MSM using them to manufacture consent, i don't see much misuse yet 0rganism Mar 2016 #54

For this reason, I'm waiting until June 7th results are in before making these kinds of "demands" strategery blunder Mar 2016 #62

Agree DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #83

They are not elected officials but they were elected by members of the LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #56

Then let me explain it to you Time for change Mar 2016 #94

Ironically, since we have been "reassured" for years that superdelegates vote in support of Dragonfli Mar 2016 #23

If you are a Democrat, voting in a Democratic Primary, You should now how the system works... Henhouse Mar 2016 #40

Since 1968 they have voted as they should, the will of their constituencies. Until now Dragonfli Mar 2016 #43

And the elected ones have known all along Mike__M Mar 2016 #48

The super delegates do not work for you in the capacity as super delegates kennetha Mar 2016 #79

the pols work for us, not vice-versa: it's called "not being a horrible oligarchy" MisterP Mar 2016 #70

Right to petition in the United States Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #10

to petition the Government for a redress of grievances... Henhouse Mar 2016 #22

The DNC governs democrats ......... and thus the govern. Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #39

lol...No problem with petitions.... Henhouse Mar 2016 #42

If the DNC governed the Democrats LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #52

Signed the petition PearliePoo2 Mar 2016 #12

They don't have the clout to threaten the super delegates. Nt hack89 Mar 2016 #14

Allow me to reintroduce you to a concept Aerows Mar 2016 #15

Makes no difference. The super delegates will not be a factor hack89 Mar 2016 #24

The superdelegates vote on the first ballot Time for change Mar 2016 #57

Respect us or lose your jobs!! FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #16

more demands/threats from berniebros . . . not unlike the caucus demands via bullying we have DrDan Mar 2016 #17

Doesn't Hillary have you out trying to train wild birds yet FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #19

no, she has us focussing on getting folks to actually vote DrDan Mar 2016 #21

How? Can you afford to buy her another super? Or perhaps threaten them via her hit list? /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #27

we don't threaten - that is a berniebros tactic DrDan Mar 2016 #28

Then why does Hillary keep an enemies list? /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #29

you have evidence of anyone being threatened via some list? DrDan Mar 2016 #31

LOL, it is the most well known "secret" in DC. Are you really going to play naive on this? /nt Dragonfli Mar 2016 #36

sorry - not able to keep up with all the BS conspiracies DrDan Mar 2016 #38

You read his sig line? Fairgo Mar 2016 #82

Sense of humor gap? DrDan Mar 2016 #87

Jury results JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #85

A vast majority of Superdelegates SaschaHM Mar 2016 #26

Good point...NT Henhouse Mar 2016 #45

I'm not suggesting that all superdelegates should vote for a candidate that wins their state Time for change Mar 2016 #58

That is all I expect as well. and yet the meme is they should go against such reasonable wishes Dragonfli Mar 2016 #68

Maybe Cantwell but I doubt Murray. snowy owl Mar 2016 #30

We the people have voted, Hillary has more votes than Bernie so they Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #32

The masses need to educate themselves of the purpose of superdelegates Sheepshank Mar 2016 #33

If the DNC doesn't care about the will of the people Time for change Mar 2016 #59

Sure they care. That's why they take a poll in the form of Primary votes Sheepshank Mar 2016 #67

You just said in post # 33 that their purpose is not to represent the will of the public Time for change Mar 2016 #71

Sigh...indies don't have a DNC to pick their preferred candidate Sheepshank Mar 2016 #74

K&R felix_numinous Mar 2016 #34

That is the fairy tale they have maintained as the truth and even kept to it, until now Dragonfli Mar 2016 #41

The crux of the battle felix_numinous Mar 2016 #44

Well HRC is winning the national popular vote by a lot. iandhr Mar 2016 #35

It doesn't seem right that a superdelegate in Washington should be supporting the Vinca Mar 2016 #55

That lead has been consistently narrowing, and is now down to 8% Time for change Mar 2016 #60

Is he going to demand Alan Grayson support Hillary? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #50

If Alan Grayson votes for Bernie, Florida superdelegates will still be voting for Time for change Mar 2016 #90

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #61

so much naivete snowy owl Mar 2016 #63

Complaints have changed a lot of things at all levels of government -- throughout world history Time for change Mar 2016 #65

so give me an example of one... snowy owl Mar 2016 #75

Would Clinton hold a grudge against superdelegates for Bernie if she's elected? snowy owl Mar 2016 #64

I absolutely agree with that Time for change Mar 2016 #72

Those "Bernie Sanders supporters in Washington state" can go pound sand, tbh Tarc Mar 2016 #73

Bernie supporters in WA need to learn a little bit about Party Primary rules.... Sheepshank Mar 2016 #80

The rules do not say that superdelegates cannot change their mind or be petitioned by Time for change Mar 2016 #88

My point was attempting to redefine how and why Superdelegates cast votes of a particular candidate Sheepshank Mar 2016 #93

Really, the whole system needs to change gollygee Mar 2016 #81

So the Sanders supporters want to change the delegate rules in the middle of the game? SFnomad Mar 2016 #84

See my reply in post # 88. Time for change Mar 2016 #89

That's not what the OP is asking for SFnomad Mar 2016 #91

Agree with respecting the wishes of voters in each state. Disagree if they disrespect pampango Mar 2016 #92