2016 Postmortem

Spacedog1973

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69. History is pretty

Reply to polly7 (Reply #67)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:33 PM

Mar 2016

clear on that I would have thought

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"‘Ghetto’ gaffe highlights Bernie Sanders campaign’s struggle with race" [View all] BainsBane Mar 2016 OP

That is actually much worse bravenak Mar 2016 #1

It is BainsBane Mar 2016 #3

I had noticed he does this often.... bravenak Mar 2016 #17

I think he's 76 years old and has a lot of old internalized Hortensis Mar 2016 #119

I think you are right bravenak Mar 2016 #120

BTW, good to see you back! Hortensis Mar 2016 #145

74 DrDan Mar 2016 #147

You are right. Sorry. Typos count, especially in the 70s and 80s. 74! Hortensis Mar 2016 #148

How much worse? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #6

. bravenak Mar 2016 #16

You linked to your own nonsense Kos Diary? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20

Hey! I have been right this entire time. Sadly. But keep ignoring my advice. It has been so helpful bravenak Mar 2016 #27

I will continue to ignore what you refer to as advice whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #35

Real talk is always divisive bravenak Mar 2016 #47

It's divisive to talk about appealing to African Americans BainsBane Mar 2016 #122

Touche'. nt Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #101

I don't think anyone questions his heart.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #146

Cool story whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #149

Speaking from a linguistic standpoint... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #30

It Is is how his delivery is recieved bravenak Mar 2016 #51

Awkward, isn't it? mcar Mar 2016 #55

I feel bad for him now bravenak Mar 2016 #56

I suppose that's the problem BainsBane Mar 2016 #68

I think so, Bains. bravenak Mar 2016 #84

This is indeed part of the problem, imo. yardwork Mar 2016 #95

As the arbiter of all things AA perhaps there's a job opportunity for you... Human101948 Mar 2016 #78

He should have answered one of my many complaint messages, then bravenak Mar 2016 #82

Give me your message and I will transmit on the secret Jewish communications network... Human101948 Mar 2016 #89

Please don't make me laugh bravenak Mar 2016 #99

Does it hurt? Human101948 Mar 2016 #112

I end up being undiplomatic bravenak Mar 2016 #113

Just understand the definitions of Ghetto. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #110

Much fuller history of it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #111

No. He needs to learn how to deliver his message without offending the masses bravenak Mar 2016 #115

I think the clarification might be worse than the original statement. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #2

It is. yardwork Mar 2016 #96

He went from bad to worse!!! UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #141

He is TONE DEAF!!!!!!! MADem Mar 2016 #4

It also makes me wonder BainsBane Mar 2016 #7

He missed an enormous opportunity. MADem Mar 2016 #130

Please NWCorona Mar 2016 #13

You believe that his comment is "a hundred percent correct?" Really? nt MADem Mar 2016 #131

Ok. 85% percent correct. NWCorona Mar 2016 #136

You are shamelessly distorting what he said. Vattel Mar 2016 #14

This is a quote -- an exact quote -- of what he said. MADem Mar 2016 #128

He obviously didn't say that poverty is an African American tradition. Vattel Mar 2016 #134

That is better to you? MADem Mar 2016 #135

Of course it is better. It's debatable, but when the word ghetto is used in the United States, Vattel Mar 2016 #137

"Or at least that's what Sanders seems to think." And that is PRECISELY what the issue is, you see. MADem Mar 2016 #140

It's standard primary season silliness Vattel Mar 2016 #144

Because the wealthy live "in the ghetto?" What are you saying? MADem Mar 2016 #139

Surrounded by people who think like him only, that's what begets these types of thinking YCHDT Mar 2016 #23

I think, like others have noted, that he is getting bad advice. Or maybe not enough advice. nt MADem Mar 2016 #133

Your post was alerted Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #45

Thank you for posting that, Bobbie Jo. nt MADem Mar 2016 #132

You survived the jury... revmclaren Mar 2016 #46

For those who voted to leave, I thank you. nt MADem Mar 2016 #129

It's kind of annoying to hear someone use and ableist insult to accuse someone of racism loyalsister Mar 2016 #90

No--it "implies" nothing. It directly addresses his inability to discern MADem Mar 2016 #126

More race baiting. When will it ever end? ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #5

Results of Jury Alert. I was #7. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #92

Juror #4 needs to recuse themselves. joshcryer Mar 2016 #117

Wrong! Ghetto's were the term used in 70's for Poor Black and Latino Areas in many cities KoKo Mar 2016 #8

And the term has been used since the 17th century BainsBane Mar 2016 #10

would you be willing to apply that etymology standard equally to all words, huh? azurnoir Mar 2016 #38

Take it up with the other poster BainsBane Mar 2016 #41

No you're the one using an etymology dictionary as the definitive so azurnoir Mar 2016 #42

What are you asking? BainsBane Mar 2016 #48

I am asking if any word who's etymology shows it originating from one maning but has evolved into azurnoir Mar 2016 #105

The question from the moderator BainsBane Mar 2016 #118

so it was okay when Hillary said it but when Bernie said it-got it :) azurnoir Mar 2016 #121

Interesting Question.......... KoKo Mar 2016 #123

What he said is true and nothing wrong with it ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #9

It's true that white people don't know what it is like to be poor? BainsBane Mar 2016 #31

It hasn't been institutionalized with whites as it has been with blacks. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #40

Really? BainsBane Mar 2016 #60

I see words compiled one after another, but I see no logic or sense behind them. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #142

Have you ever been to Appalachia? Poverty transcends generations there. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #77

Im white and grew up dirt poor, and no, in the broader ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #66

+1 KT2000 Mar 2016 #73

He has had an opportunity to clarify what he meant BainsBane Mar 2016 #80

No need to clarify. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #83

That is not what he was implying and you know it. Svafa Mar 2016 #76

Yes there is, when I think of ghetto I don't think of black people... what Sanders said is dead wron YCHDT Mar 2016 #39

You must live in a bubble, somewhere far away from ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #88

How So? KoKo Mar 2016 #124

Why should it matter if he used the word ghetto too narrowly? Vattel Mar 2016 #138

Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT. fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #104

I'd level that abrogation at the group simplistically implying that discussing race LanternWaste Mar 2016 #157

"... a persistent problem ..." NurseJackie Mar 2016 #11

He grew up in a Jewish Ghetto nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #12

Exactly! NWCorona Mar 2016 #18

He didn't relate Jewish people to ghettos, he related black people to them and that's tone deaf YCHDT Mar 2016 #24

You need to learn the history of the word nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #97

Midwood is no ghetto. Holy crap....no. nt. msanthrope Mar 2016 #94

No, he didn't. yardwork Mar 2016 #100

QUick, go correct historians on the use of the term nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #102

Bernie grew up in a middle class neighborhood. yardwork Mar 2016 #116

It is no secret and should surprise no one here that poor African Americans Svafa Mar 2016 #15

I thought that was what he meant BainsBane Mar 2016 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Svafa Mar 2016 #26

Sanders rarely speaks in one-sentence soundbites. Svafa Mar 2016 #33

If you find it, please do post it BainsBane Mar 2016 #44

Since he was quoted speaking to "a gaggle of reporters from Detroit," it may be hard to find a full Svafa Mar 2016 #50

Here is what I don't get BainsBane Mar 2016 #53

There's not that much difference when despair and lack of jobs KoKo Mar 2016 #125

OMG...no.... what are they telling him?! YCHDT Mar 2016 #21

Everyone can relax now, Bernie just clarified his comments within the last hour ecstatic Mar 2016 #22

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!! YCHDT Mar 2016 #25

He needs a shovel and Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #28

He was certainly right if he was giving this as a response to the "blind spot" question. spooky3 Mar 2016 #37

I just took your op and redid a bit and posted it to kos too bravenak Mar 2016 #29

Jesus, the crap people are focusing on is mind boggling. This country has real problems. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #32

Reminds me of 2008 azurnoir Mar 2016 #34

Yeah, relating blacks to ghettos isn't anything important to blacks who don't want to be related YCHDT Mar 2016 #36

Point taken, but actually 36% pat_k Mar 2016 #59

Whites can be a minority group in the worlds 3rd largest country also, so to relate ghettos and... YCHDT Mar 2016 #62

Once again, point taken. pat_k Mar 2016 #81

Here's what Sanders actually said, and how Ghetto is not a forbidden word. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #159

Is poverty not a real problem? BainsBane Mar 2016 #63

I'm black and male, and these words do not offend me. Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #43

Not only that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #52

'Thugs' Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Mar 2016 #57

No, and Clinton didn't overtly relate them to blacks as Sanders did ghettos. That's a fact YCHDT Mar 2016 #65

I think the bigger point is 'why' there are so many - of whomever - living in 'ghettoes'. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #67

History is pretty Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #69

You can't begin to change something without addressing the causes and who is profiting polly7 Mar 2016 #74

As I said, history is pretty clear on this Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #87

He speaks from the mindset of someone who has seen black people marginalized and disenfranchized polly7 Mar 2016 #91

Seeing black people marginalised... Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #151

'poor optics' is what you want it to be .......... unfortunately for you, many, many of his polly7 Mar 2016 #153

He has few black supporters Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #154

Really? You know that, how? polly7 Mar 2016 #155

I know that he has few black supporters Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #158

Of course you are. And you didn't even have to respond to the issues I brought up polly7 Mar 2016 #160

So, while we're attacking word usage ... Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #58

You can lobby Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #72

YES!!! YCHDT Mar 2016 #64

'Superpredators'. And Sanders has never mentioned the word thugs. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #75

How can Bernie be effective in solving problems ecstatic Mar 2016 #61

yes, not only this but someone made the point that he's running against two popular figures in the YCHDT Mar 2016 #71

Out of poverty and into prison. Svafa Mar 2016 #79

Only if you consider the Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #152

+100. Hillary supporters, stop deflecting. Please talk about the real issues! nc4bo Mar 2016 #93

K&R mcar Mar 2016 #49

this is genius KT2000 Mar 2016 #70

Surprised you didnt tuck this away in the Hillary forum INdemo Mar 2016 #85

Yeah, his clarification didn't help LisaM Mar 2016 #86

Yes, the clarification was puzzling Blasphemer Mar 2016 #103

That is becuase he was calling the media on thier implied racism nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #106

I know plenty about it LisaM Mar 2016 #108

I got it, perhaps it is because I understand the implied racism from the media nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #109

That's because he simply does NOT understand these issues MaggieD Mar 2016 #98

so you and the rest of Team Wall Street don't believe in the truth of economic white privilege? TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #107

Gee, I'm sure Hillary knows "ghetto" living. Vinca Mar 2016 #114

You're missing the point.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #156

Then, like Republicans, they'll be voting against their own best interests again. Vinca Mar 2016 #161

In your rather paternalistic opinion. Adrahil Mar 2016 #162

Yep. I mean who doesn't want to rack up a 6 figure debt for college? Vinca Mar 2016 #163

Maybe they determined that Bernie's chances of achieving his free college plan Adrahil Mar 2016 #164

Personally, I don't give a shit who they vote for. Vinca Mar 2016 #165

Bernie is right boythayer Mar 2016 #127

Damn, Ben Jealous said that?? Number23 Mar 2016 #143

That is awful Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #150