2016 Postmortem

ThePhilosopher04

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9. What he said is true and nothing wrong with it ...

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:44 PM

Mar 2016

What is wrong is the race baiting spin put out by the Clinton camp and her minions. They have no class and zero respect for the real race issues on this country. They want to politicize everything. Zero moral compass.

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"‘Ghetto’ gaffe highlights Bernie Sanders campaign’s struggle with race" [View all] BainsBane Mar 2016 OP

That is actually much worse bravenak Mar 2016 #1

It is BainsBane Mar 2016 #3

I had noticed he does this often.... bravenak Mar 2016 #17

I think he's 76 years old and has a lot of old internalized Hortensis Mar 2016 #119

I think you are right bravenak Mar 2016 #120

BTW, good to see you back! Hortensis Mar 2016 #145

74 DrDan Mar 2016 #147

You are right. Sorry. Typos count, especially in the 70s and 80s. 74! Hortensis Mar 2016 #148

How much worse? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #6

. bravenak Mar 2016 #16

You linked to your own nonsense Kos Diary? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #20

Hey! I have been right this entire time. Sadly. But keep ignoring my advice. It has been so helpful bravenak Mar 2016 #27

I will continue to ignore what you refer to as advice whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #35

Real talk is always divisive bravenak Mar 2016 #47

It's divisive to talk about appealing to African Americans BainsBane Mar 2016 #122

Touche'. nt Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #101

I don't think anyone questions his heart.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #146

Cool story whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #149

Speaking from a linguistic standpoint... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #30

It Is is how his delivery is recieved bravenak Mar 2016 #51

Awkward, isn't it? mcar Mar 2016 #55

I feel bad for him now bravenak Mar 2016 #56

I suppose that's the problem BainsBane Mar 2016 #68

I think so, Bains. bravenak Mar 2016 #84

This is indeed part of the problem, imo. yardwork Mar 2016 #95

As the arbiter of all things AA perhaps there's a job opportunity for you... Human101948 Mar 2016 #78

He should have answered one of my many complaint messages, then bravenak Mar 2016 #82

Give me your message and I will transmit on the secret Jewish communications network... Human101948 Mar 2016 #89

Please don't make me laugh bravenak Mar 2016 #99

Does it hurt? Human101948 Mar 2016 #112

I end up being undiplomatic bravenak Mar 2016 #113

Just understand the definitions of Ghetto. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #110

Much fuller history of it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #111

No. He needs to learn how to deliver his message without offending the masses bravenak Mar 2016 #115

I think the clarification might be worse than the original statement. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #2

It is. yardwork Mar 2016 #96

He went from bad to worse!!! UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #141

He is TONE DEAF!!!!!!! MADem Mar 2016 #4

It also makes me wonder BainsBane Mar 2016 #7

He missed an enormous opportunity. MADem Mar 2016 #130

Please NWCorona Mar 2016 #13

You believe that his comment is "a hundred percent correct?" Really? nt MADem Mar 2016 #131

Ok. 85% percent correct. NWCorona Mar 2016 #136

You are shamelessly distorting what he said. Vattel Mar 2016 #14

This is a quote -- an exact quote -- of what he said. MADem Mar 2016 #128

He obviously didn't say that poverty is an African American tradition. Vattel Mar 2016 #134

That is better to you? MADem Mar 2016 #135

Of course it is better. It's debatable, but when the word ghetto is used in the United States, Vattel Mar 2016 #137

"Or at least that's what Sanders seems to think." And that is PRECISELY what the issue is, you see. MADem Mar 2016 #140

It's standard primary season silliness Vattel Mar 2016 #144

Because the wealthy live "in the ghetto?" What are you saying? MADem Mar 2016 #139

Surrounded by people who think like him only, that's what begets these types of thinking YCHDT Mar 2016 #23

I think, like others have noted, that he is getting bad advice. Or maybe not enough advice. nt MADem Mar 2016 #133

Your post was alerted Bobbie Jo Mar 2016 #45

Thank you for posting that, Bobbie Jo. nt MADem Mar 2016 #132

You survived the jury... revmclaren Mar 2016 #46

For those who voted to leave, I thank you. nt MADem Mar 2016 #129

It's kind of annoying to hear someone use and ableist insult to accuse someone of racism loyalsister Mar 2016 #90

No--it "implies" nothing. It directly addresses his inability to discern MADem Mar 2016 #126

More race baiting. When will it ever end? ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #5

Results of Jury Alert. I was #7. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #92

Juror #4 needs to recuse themselves. joshcryer Mar 2016 #117

Wrong! Ghetto's were the term used in 70's for Poor Black and Latino Areas in many cities KoKo Mar 2016 #8

And the term has been used since the 17th century BainsBane Mar 2016 #10

would you be willing to apply that etymology standard equally to all words, huh? azurnoir Mar 2016 #38

Take it up with the other poster BainsBane Mar 2016 #41

No you're the one using an etymology dictionary as the definitive so azurnoir Mar 2016 #42

What are you asking? BainsBane Mar 2016 #48

I am asking if any word who's etymology shows it originating from one maning but has evolved into azurnoir Mar 2016 #105

The question from the moderator BainsBane Mar 2016 #118

so it was okay when Hillary said it but when Bernie said it-got it :) azurnoir Mar 2016 #121

Interesting Question.......... KoKo Mar 2016 #123

What he said is true and nothing wrong with it ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #9

It's true that white people don't know what it is like to be poor? BainsBane Mar 2016 #31

It hasn't been institutionalized with whites as it has been with blacks. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #40

Really? BainsBane Mar 2016 #60

I see words compiled one after another, but I see no logic or sense behind them. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #142

Have you ever been to Appalachia? Poverty transcends generations there. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #77

Im white and grew up dirt poor, and no, in the broader ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #66

+1 KT2000 Mar 2016 #73

He has had an opportunity to clarify what he meant BainsBane Mar 2016 #80

No need to clarify. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #83

That is not what he was implying and you know it. Svafa Mar 2016 #76

Yes there is, when I think of ghetto I don't think of black people... what Sanders said is dead wron YCHDT Mar 2016 #39

You must live in a bubble, somewhere far away from ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #88

How So? KoKo Mar 2016 #124

Why should it matter if he used the word ghetto too narrowly? Vattel Mar 2016 #138

Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT. fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #104

I'd level that abrogation at the group simplistically implying that discussing race LanternWaste Mar 2016 #157

"... a persistent problem ..." NurseJackie Mar 2016 #11

He grew up in a Jewish Ghetto nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #12

Exactly! NWCorona Mar 2016 #18

He didn't relate Jewish people to ghettos, he related black people to them and that's tone deaf YCHDT Mar 2016 #24

You need to learn the history of the word nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #97

Midwood is no ghetto. Holy crap....no. nt. msanthrope Mar 2016 #94

No, he didn't. yardwork Mar 2016 #100

QUick, go correct historians on the use of the term nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #102

Bernie grew up in a middle class neighborhood. yardwork Mar 2016 #116

It is no secret and should surprise no one here that poor African Americans Svafa Mar 2016 #15

I thought that was what he meant BainsBane Mar 2016 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Svafa Mar 2016 #26

Sanders rarely speaks in one-sentence soundbites. Svafa Mar 2016 #33

If you find it, please do post it BainsBane Mar 2016 #44

Since he was quoted speaking to "a gaggle of reporters from Detroit," it may be hard to find a full Svafa Mar 2016 #50

Here is what I don't get BainsBane Mar 2016 #53

There's not that much difference when despair and lack of jobs KoKo Mar 2016 #125

OMG...no.... what are they telling him?! YCHDT Mar 2016 #21

Everyone can relax now, Bernie just clarified his comments within the last hour ecstatic Mar 2016 #22

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!! YCHDT Mar 2016 #25

He needs a shovel and Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #28

He was certainly right if he was giving this as a response to the "blind spot" question. spooky3 Mar 2016 #37

I just took your op and redid a bit and posted it to kos too bravenak Mar 2016 #29

Jesus, the crap people are focusing on is mind boggling. This country has real problems. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #32

Reminds me of 2008 azurnoir Mar 2016 #34

Yeah, relating blacks to ghettos isn't anything important to blacks who don't want to be related YCHDT Mar 2016 #36

Point taken, but actually 36% pat_k Mar 2016 #59

Whites can be a minority group in the worlds 3rd largest country also, so to relate ghettos and... YCHDT Mar 2016 #62

Once again, point taken. pat_k Mar 2016 #81

Here's what Sanders actually said, and how Ghetto is not a forbidden word. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #159

Is poverty not a real problem? BainsBane Mar 2016 #63

I'm black and male, and these words do not offend me. Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #43

Not only that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #52

'Thugs' Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Mar 2016 #57

No, and Clinton didn't overtly relate them to blacks as Sanders did ghettos. That's a fact YCHDT Mar 2016 #65

I think the bigger point is 'why' there are so many - of whomever - living in 'ghettoes'. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #67

History is pretty Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #69

You can't begin to change something without addressing the causes and who is profiting polly7 Mar 2016 #74

As I said, history is pretty clear on this Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #87

He speaks from the mindset of someone who has seen black people marginalized and disenfranchized polly7 Mar 2016 #91

Seeing black people marginalised... Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #151

'poor optics' is what you want it to be .......... unfortunately for you, many, many of his polly7 Mar 2016 #153

He has few black supporters Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #154

Really? You know that, how? polly7 Mar 2016 #155

I know that he has few black supporters Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #158

Of course you are. And you didn't even have to respond to the issues I brought up polly7 Mar 2016 #160

So, while we're attacking word usage ... Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #58

You can lobby Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #72

YES!!! YCHDT Mar 2016 #64

'Superpredators'. And Sanders has never mentioned the word thugs. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #75

How can Bernie be effective in solving problems ecstatic Mar 2016 #61

yes, not only this but someone made the point that he's running against two popular figures in the YCHDT Mar 2016 #71

Out of poverty and into prison. Svafa Mar 2016 #79

Only if you consider the Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #152

+100. Hillary supporters, stop deflecting. Please talk about the real issues! nc4bo Mar 2016 #93

K&R mcar Mar 2016 #49

this is genius KT2000 Mar 2016 #70

Surprised you didnt tuck this away in the Hillary forum INdemo Mar 2016 #85

Yeah, his clarification didn't help LisaM Mar 2016 #86

Yes, the clarification was puzzling Blasphemer Mar 2016 #103

That is becuase he was calling the media on thier implied racism nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #106

I know plenty about it LisaM Mar 2016 #108

I got it, perhaps it is because I understand the implied racism from the media nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #109

That's because he simply does NOT understand these issues MaggieD Mar 2016 #98

so you and the rest of Team Wall Street don't believe in the truth of economic white privilege? TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #107

Gee, I'm sure Hillary knows "ghetto" living. Vinca Mar 2016 #114

You're missing the point.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #156

Then, like Republicans, they'll be voting against their own best interests again. Vinca Mar 2016 #161

In your rather paternalistic opinion. Adrahil Mar 2016 #162

Yep. I mean who doesn't want to rack up a 6 figure debt for college? Vinca Mar 2016 #163

Maybe they determined that Bernie's chances of achieving his free college plan Adrahil Mar 2016 #164

Personally, I don't give a shit who they vote for. Vinca Mar 2016 #165

Bernie is right boythayer Mar 2016 #127

Damn, Ben Jealous said that?? Number23 Mar 2016 #143

That is awful Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #150