2016 Postmortem

dflprincess

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108. Never

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:39 PM

Feb 2016

they all expect that Bernie supporters will fall in line if Clinton gets the nomination.

That may be true for the party hacks like myself - but they're ignoring the independents who won't bother to show up or will vote Green.

If Hillary loses the general (and I expect she will), they'll never examine her actions or theirs it will just be our "fault" and they'll claim that none of us showed up. And then it will be used to move the party even further to the right.

We can talk about the coming demise of the Republican party but the Democratic party needs to wake up and figure out it's walking the same line. If it survives it will only be because moderate Republicans have taken it over as its past constituency of New Deal/Great Society Democrats look for somewhere else to go.

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At whAt point does hillary look over her shoulder [View all] SwampG8r Feb 2016 OP

Snollygosters merrily Feb 2016 #1

Huh? SwampG8r Feb 2016 #2

Heh! I had to look that one up. Fits perfectly! (nt) Ino Feb 2016 #13

I owe it all to dorkzilla. merrily Feb 2016 #14

Bam! GoneFishin Feb 2016 #21

she will see indictments coming too when roguevalley Feb 2016 #69

LOL Old Codger Feb 2016 #106

Mountain Monsters? PADemD Feb 2016 #138

Perfect! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #169

What will unite the party? Sanders' concession speech Tarc Feb 2016 #3

She's got to win first. Matariki Feb 2016 #4

You lost all credibility SwampG8r Feb 2016 #5

You poor dear Tarc Feb 2016 #10

Arrogance and gasoline have a lot in common. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #167

That was a good bet in 2008. nc4bo Feb 2016 #11

Who knows what Obama promised her in return for her support? merrily Feb 2016 #29

Nope. TDale313 Feb 2016 #32

Then you will get the Trump that you deserve. Tarc Feb 2016 #59

That no longer works. 840high Feb 2016 #61

Don't care whether it "works" for you or not Tarc Feb 2016 #64

Both parties are using that 840high Feb 2016 #79

Another psychic crystal ball aficionado. n/t libdem4life Feb 2016 #105

Those Hillary googles are smeared humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #149

Well, I'm in a safely blue state. TDale313 Feb 2016 #75

The thing is you will get him too SwampG8r Feb 2016 #90

This tactic is no longer going to work nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #101

Gee, HilLIARy can't beat Trump? Politicalboi Feb 2016 #107

Trumps an idiot Pharaoh Feb 2016 #133

I relly resent that... humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #148

rev up the blame machine tk2kewl Feb 2016 #168

Repug lite or repug lite. Hard decision. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #170

Spot. On. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #35

But "Sanders is not a Democrat" Debbie Wasserman-Shultz nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #41

Nope. I will vote against the R via Hillary, but she cannot reconcile me just GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #47

Same here. mine will be a protest vote against the Republican Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #100

*correct direction Lordquinton Feb 2016 #115

You don't get it. Beowulf Feb 2016 #53

.^that 840high Feb 2016 #65

Yes. You cannot fix a problem with the same mentality that created it. libdem4life Feb 2016 #109

Actually no. Sanders supporters believe in him and the mission. They see Hillary as status quo. peacebird Feb 2016 #57

Then you will get the Trump that you deserve. Tarc Feb 2016 #60

Try a new line. 840high Feb 2016 #67

My, how ... 'Inspirational'... LOL! Vote for my corporatist warhawk or you get Trump!!! peacebird Feb 2016 #85

No, YOU will get the Trump you earned. basselope Feb 2016 #87

If that happens it will be 100% Clinton's fault Lordquinton Feb 2016 #116

More likely YOU"LL get that Trump if voters like me feel cheated and we sit on our hands, mpcamb Feb 2016 #124

We deserve far better than tRump and the.....alternative. Half-Century Man Feb 2016 #130

If we were the type of people who would just do as they're told.... daleanime Feb 2016 #82

Win the nomination first. I know, how dare he challenge the coronation Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #99

Don't hold your breath Politicalboi Feb 2016 #104

Hillary has the most experience with the consession speech Lordquinton Feb 2016 #112

Anything else? Bernie's concession speech alone won't cut it. mwooldri Feb 2016 #134

Yep exactly humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #144

I think people can reconcile some policy differences. But the damage from the lies and dirty tricks GoneFishin Feb 2016 #6

I agree it cant be walked back SwampG8r Feb 2016 #9

Oh yeah, Sanders' supporters bashing icons of the party are uniting it against the GOPers. Hoyt Feb 2016 #7

You dont need our votes? SwampG8r Feb 2016 #12

What icons? What bashing? RobertEarl Feb 2016 #15

I think John Lewis, Obama, James Clyburn, Delores Huerta, etc., are better than me, frankly. Hoyt Feb 2016 #22

I agree they are better than you RobertEarl Feb 2016 #28

Don't take that as a slight. I vehemently disagree with your assessment of yourself compared to Hoyt Feb 2016 #51

Yes it is RobertEarl Feb 2016 #55

BAM! ybbor Feb 2016 #131

For once, I wholeheartedly agree with you. merrily Feb 2016 #33

Maybe.. artislife Feb 2016 #56

Clyburn? Just a DOMA voter who has been in politics his entire life. What's so great about him? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #62

My understanding is that Sanders' was not much different. So why do you pick Clyburn for bashing. Hoyt Feb 2016 #84

Your understanding. frylock Feb 2016 #125

Tell your icons not to lie. 840high Feb 2016 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #8

Sane Republicans (both of them?) are already saying they'll vote Democratic if Trump is the nominee. merrily Feb 2016 #49

I don't know if they get the damage they're doing. TDale313 Feb 2016 #16

And she has no idea the damage that the New Dems have jwirr Feb 2016 #46

Not by herself Old Codger Feb 2016 #110

Oh, of course. n/t TDale313 Feb 2016 #118

the empty scotus seat mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #17

She won't. She's old, like 69? Do people change at that age? closeupready Feb 2016 #18

67 to bernies 74 mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #19

Then I repeat, she neither needs nor wants my vote. closeupready Feb 2016 #20

are you going to stay home mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #25

I live in California SHRED Feb 2016 #37

Please don't get baited into this unless you really want to say it. merrily Feb 2016 #50

I've voted like this for years SHRED Feb 2016 #89

I wish I had the luxury in Colorado mountain grammy Feb 2016 #128

that's how people in my very blue neighborhood are reacting, and that sentiment is spreading amborin Feb 2016 #97

Horsecrap. Once you hit 55 age is irrelevant. It's all about your health. jillan Feb 2016 #27

go to any nursing home and mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #30

There ya go proving my point. You want to talk about mathematical truth? Here ya go.... jillan Feb 2016 #43

it's not about "older people" mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #72

I volunteer at a nursing 840high Feb 2016 #74

whose husbands have died mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #77

One gentleman did break his leg 840high Feb 2016 #162

My father could still beat me at golf when he was Bernies age. CentralMass Feb 2016 #143

No, 68 to Bernie's 74 and he looks far healthier than she does, but that was so not the point. merrily Feb 2016 #38

your point not mine mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #146

Try to focus. It was not my point or yours. It was the point of Reply 18, to which you purported merrily Feb 2016 #158

Bernis is Jewish Lordquinton Feb 2016 #123

people mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #150

Here's Bernie just knocking down shots.. frylock Feb 2016 #129

boy that looks really strenuous ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #151

Try it some time. You'd be surprised. frylock Feb 2016 #153

67 with a recent blood clot. CentralMass Feb 2016 #145

Well, Howler Feb 2016 #26

are you voting republican? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #34

Baiting much? merrily Feb 2016 #39

honest question...just curious mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #40

Not buying it. It's a question whose answer can get people banned or get their posts hidden. merrily Feb 2016 #44

Neither your question nor this response are honest SwampG8r Feb 2016 #71

there are a lot of republicans in DU swamp...it's ok to ask mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #73

You're right. There are a lot of republicans in the DU swamp. frylock Feb 2016 #132

Nope. That will never happen. Howler Feb 2016 #45

seems everyone is switching parties mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #48

Exactly Howler Feb 2016 #52

No one here is voting Republican Politicalboi Feb 2016 #120

ok but you are buying the beer on mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #152

If Bernie Sanders wins the *GOP* Primary, yes. Otherwise, no. NT mwooldri Feb 2016 #135

are you guys the jackpine radicals? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #155

No you are voting Republican if you vote for Hillary andrewv1 Feb 2016 #157

Understood. (And do NOT answer her question.) closeupready Feb 2016 #36

Not true across the board Old Codger Feb 2016 #114

You're entitled to your opinion. She will NOT change now. closeupready Feb 2016 #122

You misunderstand my point Old Codger Feb 2016 #127

You're wrong, and I'm not going to argue with you. closeupready Feb 2016 #139

good deal Old Codger Feb 2016 #160

She doesn't. She doesn't care. She has yet to apologize for Albright's comments. jillan Feb 2016 #23

Bernie might try his best, but without sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #24

she is a true Neo Liberal olddots Feb 2016 #31

She will never look back, her goal has never been to unite but divide and prosper from division Dragonfli Feb 2016 #42

Anything that she thinks will get her more votes. merrily Feb 2016 #54

Her royal Snollygoster if you please! After all this was supposed to be a coronation. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #63

We both owe it to dorkzilla. Thing is, it's a word that has been dropped from dictionaries as merrily Feb 2016 #88

Lots of people burning bridges these days alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #58

Im sorry her history disturbs you when you hear it. SwampG8r Feb 2016 #76

Uh huh alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #81

Well for me it is more about calling into question personal histories nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #93

I don't think she's burning bridges so much as painting herself into a character that millennials Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #66

I agree completely. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #83

I do not think Hillary cares. SamKnause Feb 2016 #68

+100 840high Feb 2016 #78

Now get out and vote like you mean it! Yuugal Feb 2016 #80

I'm sick and tired mountain grammy Feb 2016 #136

Never.. she lacks the common sense to learn from her own mistakes. basselope Feb 2016 #86

I will ask the question in a more direct way nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #91

Likely true SwampG8r Feb 2016 #94

Thanks, Been reading into a lot of mass incarceration nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #95

I dont care who you support SwampG8r Feb 2016 #98

It's sunday... taking the day off nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #103

Never dflprincess Feb 2016 #108

I am that independent you speak off nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #111

Anyone got the results for this? SwampG8r Feb 2016 #92

Nothing. At this point nothing can be done to unify the party. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #96

When they swear in President Trump Politicalboi Feb 2016 #102

Hear, hear... Eom Purveyor Feb 2016 #113

Damn! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #141

The Right wing will have a similar number of disappointed primary voters. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #117

We are now at the point where she is throwing the general election to the GOP. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #119

Agree 100%. 840high Feb 2016 #164

She will do or say anything to win...I don't think she gives a tinker's damn about anything else. AzDar Feb 2016 #121

..+1 840high Feb 2016 #163

Excuse me, but the group of people who has continually trashed a candidate Beacool Feb 2016 #126

Learn how to win a GE election. If you think Hillary can do it w/o Bernie's coalition.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #137

The same goes for your side, if Sanders were to win the nomination. Beacool Feb 2016 #140

When Bernie starts smearing her as a racist or otherwise ratfucking her... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #154

My "side" hasnt been demanding loyalty oaths for 6 months SwampG8r Feb 2016 #165

Well we will be told that humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #142

Some wounds can't be healed. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #147

The Clintons: Wrong On . . . cer7711 Feb 2016 #156

If Clinton makes it to GE, they will reap what they've sown whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #159

People aren't turning out for Hillary Depaysement Feb 2016 #161

She and Debbie are destroying the party: because it is all about winning, or something. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #166

She never will. All her big donor friends and war-criminal advisors are polly7 Feb 2016 #171