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At whAt point does hillary look over her shoulder (Original Post) SwampG8r Feb 2016 OP
Snollygosters merrily Feb 2016 #1
Huh? SwampG8r Feb 2016 #2
Heh! I had to look that one up. Fits perfectly! (nt) Ino Feb 2016 #13
I owe it all to dorkzilla. merrily Feb 2016 #14
Bam! GoneFishin Feb 2016 #21
she will see indictments coming too when roguevalley Feb 2016 #69
LOL Old Codger Feb 2016 #106
Mountain Monsters? PADemD Feb 2016 #138
Perfect! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #169
What will unite the party? Sanders' concession speech Tarc Feb 2016 #3
She's got to win first. Matariki Feb 2016 #4
You lost all credibility SwampG8r Feb 2016 #5
You poor dear Tarc Feb 2016 #10
Arrogance and gasoline have a lot in common. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #167
That was a good bet in 2008. nc4bo Feb 2016 #11
Who knows what Obama promised her in return for her support? merrily Feb 2016 #29
Nope. TDale313 Feb 2016 #32
Then you will get the Trump that you deserve. Tarc Feb 2016 #59
That no longer works. 840high Feb 2016 #61
Don't care whether it "works" for you or not Tarc Feb 2016 #64
Both parties are using that 840high Feb 2016 #79
Another psychic crystal ball aficionado. n/t libdem4life Feb 2016 #105
Those Hillary googles are smeared humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #149
Well, I'm in a safely blue state. TDale313 Feb 2016 #75
The thing is you will get him too SwampG8r Feb 2016 #90
This tactic is no longer going to work nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #101
Gee, HilLIARy can't beat Trump? Politicalboi Feb 2016 #107
Trumps an idiot Pharaoh Feb 2016 #133
I relly resent that... humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #148
rev up the blame machine tk2kewl Feb 2016 #168
Repug lite or repug lite. Hard decision. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #170
Spot. On. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #35
But "Sanders is not a Democrat" Debbie Wasserman-Shultz nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #41
Nope. I will vote against the R via Hillary, but she cannot reconcile me just GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #47
Same here. mine will be a protest vote against the Republican Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #100
*correct direction Lordquinton Feb 2016 #115
You don't get it. Beowulf Feb 2016 #53
.^that 840high Feb 2016 #65
Yes. You cannot fix a problem with the same mentality that created it. libdem4life Feb 2016 #109
Actually no. Sanders supporters believe in him and the mission. They see Hillary as status quo. peacebird Feb 2016 #57
Then you will get the Trump that you deserve. Tarc Feb 2016 #60
Try a new line. 840high Feb 2016 #67
My, how ... 'Inspirational'... LOL! Vote for my corporatist warhawk or you get Trump!!! peacebird Feb 2016 #85
No, YOU will get the Trump you earned. basselope Feb 2016 #87
If that happens it will be 100% Clinton's fault Lordquinton Feb 2016 #116
More likely YOU"LL get that Trump if voters like me feel cheated and we sit on our hands, mpcamb Feb 2016 #124
We deserve far better than tRump and the.....alternative. Half-Century Man Feb 2016 #130
If we were the type of people who would just do as they're told.... daleanime Feb 2016 #82
Win the nomination first. I know, how dare he challenge the coronation Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #99
Don't hold your breath Politicalboi Feb 2016 #104
Hillary has the most experience with the consession speech Lordquinton Feb 2016 #112
Anything else? Bernie's concession speech alone won't cut it. mwooldri Feb 2016 #134
Yep exactly humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #144
I think people can reconcile some policy differences. But the damage from the lies and dirty tricks GoneFishin Feb 2016 #6
I agree it cant be walked back SwampG8r Feb 2016 #9
Oh yeah, Sanders' supporters bashing icons of the party are uniting it against the GOPers. Hoyt Feb 2016 #7
You dont need our votes? SwampG8r Feb 2016 #12
What icons? What bashing? RobertEarl Feb 2016 #15
I think John Lewis, Obama, James Clyburn, Delores Huerta, etc., are better than me, frankly. Hoyt Feb 2016 #22
I agree they are better than you RobertEarl Feb 2016 #28
Don't take that as a slight. I vehemently disagree with your assessment of yourself compared to Hoyt Feb 2016 #51
Yes it is RobertEarl Feb 2016 #55
BAM! ybbor Feb 2016 #131
For once, I wholeheartedly agree with you. merrily Feb 2016 #33
Maybe.. artislife Feb 2016 #56
Clyburn? Just a DOMA voter who has been in politics his entire life. What's so great about him? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #62
My understanding is that Sanders' was not much different. So why do you pick Clyburn for bashing. Hoyt Feb 2016 #84
Your understanding. frylock Feb 2016 #125
Tell your icons not to lie. 840high Feb 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #8
Sane Republicans (both of them?) are already saying they'll vote Democratic if Trump is the nominee. merrily Feb 2016 #49
I don't know if they get the damage they're doing. TDale313 Feb 2016 #16
And she has no idea the damage that the New Dems have jwirr Feb 2016 #46
Not by herself Old Codger Feb 2016 #110
Oh, of course. n/t TDale313 Feb 2016 #118
the empty scotus seat mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #17
She won't. She's old, like 69? Do people change at that age? closeupready Feb 2016 #18
67 to bernies 74 mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #19
Then I repeat, she neither needs nor wants my vote. closeupready Feb 2016 #20
are you going to stay home mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #25
I live in California SHRED Feb 2016 #37
Please don't get baited into this unless you really want to say it. merrily Feb 2016 #50
I've voted like this for years SHRED Feb 2016 #89
I wish I had the luxury in Colorado mountain grammy Feb 2016 #128
that's how people in my very blue neighborhood are reacting, and that sentiment is spreading amborin Feb 2016 #97
Horsecrap. Once you hit 55 age is irrelevant. It's all about your health. jillan Feb 2016 #27
go to any nursing home and mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #30
There ya go proving my point. You want to talk about mathematical truth? Here ya go.... jillan Feb 2016 #43
it's not about "older people" mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #72
I volunteer at a nursing 840high Feb 2016 #74
whose husbands have died mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #77
One gentleman did break his leg 840high Feb 2016 #162
My father could still beat me at golf when he was Bernies age. CentralMass Feb 2016 #143
No, 68 to Bernie's 74 and he looks far healthier than she does, but that was so not the point. merrily Feb 2016 #38
your point not mine mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #146
Try to focus. It was not my point or yours. It was the point of Reply 18, to which you purported merrily Feb 2016 #158
Bernis is Jewish Lordquinton Feb 2016 #123
people mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #150
Here's Bernie just knocking down shots.. frylock Feb 2016 #129
boy that looks really strenuous ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #151
Try it some time. You'd be surprised. frylock Feb 2016 #153
67 with a recent blood clot. CentralMass Feb 2016 #145
Well, Howler Feb 2016 #26
are you voting republican? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #34
Baiting much? merrily Feb 2016 #39
honest question...just curious mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #40
Not buying it. It's a question whose answer can get people banned or get their posts hidden. merrily Feb 2016 #44
Neither your question nor this response are honest SwampG8r Feb 2016 #71
there are a lot of republicans in DU swamp...it's ok to ask mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #73
You're right. There are a lot of republicans in the DU swamp. frylock Feb 2016 #132
Nope. That will never happen. Howler Feb 2016 #45
seems everyone is switching parties mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #48
Exactly Howler Feb 2016 #52
No one here is voting Republican Politicalboi Feb 2016 #120
ok but you are buying the beer on mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #152
If Bernie Sanders wins the *GOP* Primary, yes. Otherwise, no. NT mwooldri Feb 2016 #135
are you guys the jackpine radicals? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #155
No you are voting Republican if you vote for Hillary andrewv1 Feb 2016 #157
Understood. (And do NOT answer her question.) closeupready Feb 2016 #36
Not true across the board Old Codger Feb 2016 #114
You're entitled to your opinion. She will NOT change now. closeupready Feb 2016 #122
You misunderstand my point Old Codger Feb 2016 #127
You're wrong, and I'm not going to argue with you. closeupready Feb 2016 #139
good deal Old Codger Feb 2016 #160
She doesn't. She doesn't care. She has yet to apologize for Albright's comments. jillan Feb 2016 #23
Bernie might try his best, but without sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #24
she is a true Neo Liberal olddots Feb 2016 #31
She will never look back, her goal has never been to unite but divide and prosper from division Dragonfli Feb 2016 #42
Anything that she thinks will get her more votes. merrily Feb 2016 #54
Her royal Snollygoster if you please! After all this was supposed to be a coronation. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #63
We both owe it to dorkzilla. Thing is, it's a word that has been dropped from dictionaries as merrily Feb 2016 #88
Lots of people burning bridges these days alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #58
Im sorry her history disturbs you when you hear it. SwampG8r Feb 2016 #76
Uh huh alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #81
Well for me it is more about calling into question personal histories nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #93
I don't think she's burning bridges so much as painting herself into a character that millennials Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #66
I agree completely. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #83
I do not think Hillary cares. SamKnause Feb 2016 #68
+100 840high Feb 2016 #78
Now get out and vote like you mean it! Yuugal Feb 2016 #80
I'm sick and tired mountain grammy Feb 2016 #136
Never.. she lacks the common sense to learn from her own mistakes. basselope Feb 2016 #86
I will ask the question in a more direct way nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #91
Likely true SwampG8r Feb 2016 #94
Thanks, Been reading into a lot of mass incarceration nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #95
I dont care who you support SwampG8r Feb 2016 #98
It's sunday... taking the day off nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #103
Never dflprincess Feb 2016 #108
I am that independent you speak off nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #111
Anyone got the results for this? SwampG8r Feb 2016 #92
Nothing. At this point nothing can be done to unify the party. Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #96
When they swear in President Trump Politicalboi Feb 2016 #102
Hear, hear... Eom Purveyor Feb 2016 #113
Damn! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #141
The Right wing will have a similar number of disappointed primary voters. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #117
We are now at the point where she is throwing the general election to the GOP. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #119
Agree 100%. 840high Feb 2016 #164
She will do or say anything to win...I don't think she gives a tinker's damn about anything else. AzDar Feb 2016 #121
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #163
Excuse me, but the group of people who has continually trashed a candidate Beacool Feb 2016 #126
Learn how to win a GE election. If you think Hillary can do it w/o Bernie's coalition.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #137
The same goes for your side, if Sanders were to win the nomination. Beacool Feb 2016 #140
When Bernie starts smearing her as a racist or otherwise ratfucking her... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #154
My "side" hasnt been demanding loyalty oaths for 6 months SwampG8r Feb 2016 #165
Well we will be told that humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #142
Some wounds can't be healed. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #147
The Clintons: Wrong On . . . cer7711 Feb 2016 #156
If Clinton makes it to GE, they will reap what they've sown whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #159
People aren't turning out for Hillary Depaysement Feb 2016 #161
She and Debbie are destroying the party: because it is all about winning, or something. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #166
She never will. All her big donor friends and war-criminal advisors are polly7 Feb 2016 #171

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
3. What will unite the party? Sanders' concession speech
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:34 PM
Feb 2016

when he tells his supporters to get behind Hill and the Democratic Party. That it wasn't a cult of personality about him, but about supporting the best candidate still running. That is what she did for Obama in 2008, and that is what he will do for her in 2016.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
11. That was a good bet in 2008.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

I wouldn't bet a dang dime on it working this time around.

Just sayin'.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
32. Nope.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

You can only insult voters so much and expect them to turn around and reward you with their votes. The Clinton camp seems to think they can't possibly push this crap too far. Trust me- they can. It's not about Bernie. It's about believing we need to fix the system. She's reminding me every day that she's not the one to do it.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
149. Those Hillary googles are smeared
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

with her feces you shouldn't really place you head so firmly up there...

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
75. Well, I'm in a safely blue state.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

So my vote won't actually make a damn bit of difference in the general. But plenty of others who don't will no longer take the bullying. You have to actually earn people's votes.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
90. The thing is you will get him too
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:10 PM
Feb 2016

But you arent scared of it enough to stop running off voters so how scary can it be?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
101. This tactic is no longer going to work
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:34 PM
Feb 2016

by the way, before you tell me this. I am in a deep blue state. But I agree with you, I do expect Trump to get the nomination and he has a good chance of getting the presidency. And you know who I will blame? The politics of personal destruction, Take a bow.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
107. Gee, HilLIARy can't beat Trump?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

Too bad so sad. Then tell her to pull out of the race and allow us to elect a President for the people. She is a poor excuse of a candidate.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
133. Trumps an idiot
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary is a tool.

Cruz is kind of scary, creepy and I would flee the country if he were elected.

The choice is yours

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
148. I relly resent that...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

because I can say now your position not facing the fact that your candidate is hugely flawed and brings so much baggage, indefensibly baggage to a GE is the reason that you will get us all a TRUMP.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
47. Nope. I will vote against the R via Hillary, but she cannot reconcile me just
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:02 PM
Feb 2016

by virtue of just being the candidate. I will have to see what she gets done and whether she takes great leaps or baby steps in the right direction. I'll allow for a stubborn Congress, but I need to see an Administration that stakes out truly progressive policies and then sweats blood in the negotiation process to get something for us. No more negotiating with ourselves down to nothing and THEN handing it off for negotiations with the Rs.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
53. You don't get it.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:09 PM
Feb 2016

This isn't about Bernie. He's just a placeholder. This is about what we feel is fundamentally wrong in this country and for many of us the way the Clintons conduct political business is emblematic of what we see is holding back the 99%. Asking the Clintons and the Third Way to address the needs of those who are not among the elite is like asking a pig to fly. The pig might promise you he'll fly, he might even tell you he has a plan for flying, but in the end he cannot deliver because nothing in his nature will allow him to fly.

That's where many of us stand. You are asking us to accept part of the problem as the solution.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
57. Actually no. Sanders supporters believe in him and the mission. They see Hillary as status quo.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:18 PM
Feb 2016

I seriously doubt the millenials supporting Bernie will show up for status quo. And I know that hubby and I will not.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
85. My, how ... 'Inspirational'... LOL! Vote for my corporatist warhawk or you get Trump!!!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:44 PM
Feb 2016

What if I don't see a whole lot of difference between those options? Blowhard# 1 vs Blowhard # 2.

Neither one cares about We, The People.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
116. If that happens it will be 100% Clinton's fault
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

she's willing to burn down the party for her own personal gain.

mpcamb

(2,855 posts)
124. More likely YOU"LL get that Trump if voters like me feel cheated and we sit on our hands,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

and on election day hold our noses and vote for HRC. She'll lose. Her #'s will drop like they have against Bernie in the months to come and, tho you'll never admit it, she'll lose to the weakest opponent imaginable.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
130. We deserve far better than tRump and the.....alternative.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

No matter how cute and fashionable a Pet Rock was at one time. It was still an eight dollar rock in a box. It did nothing, gave nothing, and the only value were temporary bragging rights.

By all means, Rock on

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
82. If we were the type of people who would just do as they're told....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:40 PM
Feb 2016

we would be Hillary's supporters, not Bernie's. Speaking for myself, I despise people who try of use fear to get what they want.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
99. Win the nomination first. I know, how dare he challenge the coronation
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

Obama did in 2008 and look what happened. Can't let that happen again! Even though if HRC is the nominee, it will pretty much guarantee every Republican will go out and over against her.

Win the battle, lose the war?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
112. Hillary has the most experience with the consession speech
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

the one this year should launch Bernie to the Oval office!

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
134. Anything else? Bernie's concession speech alone won't cut it.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah, you will see all the PUMAs come out (there's Hillary PUMAs and Bernie PUMAs) (PUMA: Party Unity My A**). That's inevitable.

Bernie Sanders' campaign hasn't been and never will be about a cult of personality, so for him to say anything like that... not going to happen. He's also running quite a clean campaign, and there are people attracted to him because of this. If it is clear that Hillary will win the nomination (and it's not clear yet one way or another) then Bernie conceding and then throwing his energy behind her will pull some people around. But not everyone.

However... I have found that people who have a view about Hillary are strongly one way or another, and those who have a negative view about her are quite vocal about it. She's been in the national public eye since 1992, so she has more name recognition and time for people to form opinions about her. Though totally unscientific, my wife (not registered with any party) says that she would never vote for Hillary even if she wins the nomination. If the campaign changes things around and my wife gets behind Hillary then she'll win the White House. If people like my wife stay at home if Hillary wins the D nomination, or worse vote for the R, then Hillary will not win the general.

In any case, should a Republican win the Presidency it's going to be not that good for America for a while... but better for future years to get Democrats to run Congress. It's been a bit of a pattern lately... you get a D President (Clinton) come in, with a D Congress that goes R... a R President (Bush Jr) comes in... then Congress goes D on the R's watch... then a D (Obama) comes in... and Congress goes R... if this pattern is repeated then we'll have a R President and a R Congress for the next two years... then a D Congress.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
144. Yep exactly
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

Then Donald Trump will present her Goldman Sachs transcripts and when we question those and say hey she stole this nomination from Bernie Sanders then what we are supposed to just eat it?

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
6. I think people can reconcile some policy differences. But the damage from the lies and dirty tricks
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:36 PM
Feb 2016

are pretty much permanent.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. What icons? What bashing?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

You claim discussing what the kings and queens do is now bashing them? Are the icons so far better than any of us, in your mind, that the rest of us should stfu?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
28. I agree they are better than you
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

But no better than most of the rest of us.

Point is, in this country, we are allowed to discuss our dear leaders and the actions they take in our names. It's called freedom.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
51. Don't take that as a slight. I vehemently disagree with your assessment of yourself compared to
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

them, but your assessment is just symptomatic of the problem here.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
55. Yes it is
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:14 PM
Feb 2016

We speak freely here and I know you have big problems with us doing so.

The problem is the establishment steals votes, lies to us to keep their power, and too many of us swallow their spew as truth. We need to clean house and put new people in office.

Which was how this country's political system was designed. WE HAVE NO MONARCHY. No one should act as if we do.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
62. Clyburn? Just a DOMA voter who has been in politics his entire life. What's so great about him?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

Why in the ever living fuck should I respect a man who voted that I should not have rights equal to his own? With his votes, he has claimed to be better than entire classes of people, I find that to be despicable.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
84. My understanding is that Sanders' was not much different. So why do you pick Clyburn for bashing.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

Lately, I've seen/reada lot of crud that reminds me of the Dixiecrats I grew up with.

Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
49. Sane Republicans (both of them?) are already saying they'll vote Democratic if Trump is the nominee.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:06 PM
Feb 2016

At this point, the only sane SOUNDING one at this point is Kasich and he's very extreme, IMO.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
16. I don't know if they get the damage they're doing.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:43 PM
Feb 2016

They think they can get to the nomination and all will be forgiven, or that we'll at the very least tow the line and vote for her. She's tearing the party apart, and it is not going to come back together as easily as she thinks. The contempt and divisiveness and "we don't need or want you" arrogance coming from the Clinton camp- the attacks and smears of Bernie and his followers- the refusal to acknowledge that a huge part of the base feels the party is moving in the wrong direction- we will remember, and we will not reward these tactics.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
46. And she has no idea the damage that the New Dems have
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

done to those of us who are not the 1%. We were tired of politics as usual and angry at those who caused it including her and her husband long before she started with her dirty tricks and lies.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
110. Not by herself
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

She is the main instigator I am sure but she has a large following in the 1% and upper class elitists in the DNC

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
18. She won't. She's old, like 69? Do people change at that age?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:43 PM
Feb 2016

Not really, and particularly not her - this is what she does.

Regardless, I live in a very blue state, so she neither needs nor wants my vote, so I'm probably not going to give the most useful response.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. Then I repeat, she neither needs nor wants my vote.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

Given I'm in a very blue state, and I'm not inclined to give it to her, as she has not only not earned it, but earned derision in how her campaign has been cheating its way through, lol.

Cheers!

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
37. I live in California
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

If Bernie doesn't win the nomination I'll vote Green Party.
That is the luxury of living in a blue state.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
50. Please don't get baited into this unless you really want to say it.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:07 PM
Feb 2016

Your vote is no one's business but yours.

I've seen several posts about DU's right making lists they intend to use to get people banned if she's the nominee

People started asking me if I'd vote for Hillary if she were the nominee two years ago. I'm so sick of this Joe McCarthy crap.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
89. I've voted like this for years
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:08 PM
Feb 2016

It's nothing new from me.
I knew Obama had California so I voted Green.

If I get banned for saying this after years of donating to this site then so be it. I'd never come back.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
128. I wish I had the luxury in Colorado
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

we're hanging on by a thread. Every Democratic vote counts here. I will vote for Bernie Sanders because he will be our nominee.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
43. There ya go proving my point. You want to talk about mathematical truth? Here ya go....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016
How many older people live in nursing homes in the United States?

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, slightly over 5 percent of the 65+ population occupy nursing homes, congregate care, assisted living, and board-and-care homes, and about 4.2 percent are in nursing homes at any given time. The rate of nursing home use increases with age from 1.4 percent of the young-old to 24.5 percent of the oldest-old. Almost 50 percent of those 95 and older live in nursing homes.


http://nursinghomediaries.com/howmany/

Enjoy your immersing.



mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
72. it's not about "older people"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

you find young men there put there by there wives who are still out there functioning in the world or you find very old widows...who are at the very end who's husbands have already passed on....so you find single old men that will die sooner than the single widowed women that are a decade or more older than they are ....women don't end up in nursing homes until far later in their chronological lives...because biologically they are functional longer

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
143. My father could still beat me at golf when he was Bernies age.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

He passed at 90. His mind was a sharp as ever. Lost my mom this year at 94. 74 is a great age.

Don't forget that Hillary had a blood clot in her brain.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary-clinton-blood-clot-life-threatening-medical-experts/story?id=18101213

merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. No, 68 to Bernie's 74 and he looks far healthier than she does, but that was so not the point.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

They are both more than old enough for voters not to expect much change was the point.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
158. Try to focus. It was not my point or yours. It was the point of Reply 18, to which you purported
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

to respond although you apparently missed the point of Reply 18. Moreover, truth trumps falsehood, regardless of whose point it was originally.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
129. Here's Bernie just knocking down shots..
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:01 PM
Feb 2016


I doubt Madame Secretary could walk from one end of the court to the other without getting winded.

Howler

(4,225 posts)
26. Well,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

I live in dayton ohio and alot of Bernie supporters will not be falling in line with clinton if she is the nomine.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
44. Not buying it. It's a question whose answer can get people banned or get their posts hidden.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:59 PM
Feb 2016

Surely, you know that.

Anyway, you have no business asking it. Besides, it's McCarthy-ish in the context of this board.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
71. Neither your question nor this response are honest
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

Its unbecoming trying to bait people into hides.or.pprs
Its like you hate opposing views enough.to silence posters.
Imho.it shows.a.certain meanspiritedness that is offputting

frylock

(34,825 posts)
132. You're right. There are a lot of republicans in the DU swamp.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:03 PM
Feb 2016

Some people are like screen doors. See-through.

Howler

(4,225 posts)
45. Nope. That will never happen.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

However they have a socialist ticket here as well as third party.
The thing that is also different in this election year is the way the establishment has kicked up into high gear into trying to ram hillary down our throats.
I think you can count on alot of folks leaving the democratic party too.
I am a 56 year old woman who has voted democratic my whole life.....but there are alternatives besides republican.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
120. No one here is voting Republican
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

Just because we won't be there for HilLIARy does not mean we voted GOP. I'm tired of the lying and the cheating and the fact that she thinks we'll be here for her in the end. Surprise we WON'T. If you don't want GOP rule, vote for Bernie. The GOP is going to tear her apart. And all of us will laugh at the HilLIARy Bubble going ape shit crazy that we're not helping to confront the "lies" being told about her.

andrewv1

(168 posts)
157. No you are voting Republican if you vote for Hillary
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
Feb 2016

I have voted for a Democratic Candidate for President every four years now for over forty years.

If Clinton is the nominee, I will not vote & keep my record intact in not voting for a Republican or a Republican "Lite".

She's shameless with no morals just like the other side, but the main reason I won't vote for her is she's a war hawk on steroids that could easily start WW III.

No Thanks.



 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
114. Not true across the board
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

Being among the OLD class I pretty much resent a catchall like that.. I am just as capable of learning new stuff as anyone else

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
127. You misunderstand my point
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

she won't change her ways but has nothing at all to do with being "old" you want to put people down because of age there is a name for that ...There are a lot of us "old" people who are quite capable of functioning in a changing world and we seem to be able to adapt quite well thank you so maybe you have some prejudices about elderly people.. too bad...

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
24. Bernie might try his best, but without
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:47 PM
Feb 2016

his policies and proposals, most of the millennial
and indy vote will be lost.

He can inspire people, but not make them
switch, and the HRC supporters should
come to grips with that now.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
63. Her royal Snollygoster if you please! After all this was supposed to be a coronation.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

I love that word by the way, it is a good word and accurate the way it is being used here.

The other reason I like it is because during my self education, I took pains to be certain I had at least a college degree if not higher grasp of vocabulary, and now I know a new word, one I did not know an hour ago!

I greatly appreciate the gift.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
58. Lots of people burning bridges these days
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:21 PM
Feb 2016

Don't think Hillary is the only one.

There is a limit to calling other people's preferred Democratic candidate an evil murderer. There is a limit to what kinds of arguments and accusations people will put up with about their beliefs and their moral practices.

Note that well. I think a lot of people are getting fed up with the charges flying against a hard-working, utterly competent Democrat like Hillary Clinton.

There's a limit out there.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
76. Im sorry her history disturbs you when you hear it.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:32 PM
Feb 2016

She has been in on an awful lot of bad decisions.
Thats on her.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
93. Well for me it is more about calling into question personal histories
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

of people they hate in the name of a campaign. You think I care much about THOSE POSTERS here? Nope, not one bit.

At this point it is about the tragic comedy.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
66. I don't think she's burning bridges so much as painting herself into a character that millennials
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

and independents will never be attracted to and will never, ever consider voting for.

Her image is nearing the stage of being irreparable.

If Clinton and her supporters really think she has the nomination in the bag, they should be rebuilding Clinton's shattered credibility and unfavorable image. If all the candidates except the Hillary and Rubio were tragically killed in a multi-campaign-bus traffic catastrophe, and so the general election began tomorrow, it would be too late to fix her image and we would be stuck with a Rubio presidency. Clinton should not be wasting this opportunity to rehabilitate her image, but she cannot seem to help herself.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
83. I agree completely.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

I'm no millennial but I too am no fan of her new self-portrait - it's her most commissioned work yet.

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
68. I do not think Hillary cares.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:27 PM
Feb 2016

I do not think DWS cares.

I do not think the DNC establishment cares.

I am sick and tired of the Bush family.

I am sick and tired of the Clinton family.

I am sick and tired of the lying sniveling MSM.

The damage these 2 families have done to this country

and the world is incalculable.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
91. I will ask the question in a more direct way
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

at what point will her supporters on this site do that? My guess is... never. And at this point it is a group of people that deserve to be fully ignored. They know who they are.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
94. Likely true
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:18 PM
Feb 2016

Good to see you
You do good work
Keep your head up and push forward
You are one of the good guys

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
95. Thanks, Been reading into a lot of mass incarceration
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

and income inequality, Apparently writing analysis on this shit, makes me a Sanders supporter... which I am not.

But hey, the piling and alerting continues apace.



As if I care at this point.

But i raise that issue often. Because what some posters here have done (mostly offsite) is reprehensible and then they play the victim card.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
98. I dont care who you support
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

Youve always come down on the side of truth as far as i have seen and even if we disagreed i would give your opinion some consideration.
Like i said youre a good guy
Now just scuff your boots say aw shucks twernt nothing and get back to work

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
103. It's sunday... taking the day off
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016


And as to who I support, yup, I was told by one of these guys a funny. Let me link it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1301622

It is a hilarious sub-thread... good for a laugh really.

dflprincess

(28,057 posts)
108. Never
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

they all expect that Bernie supporters will fall in line if Clinton gets the nomination.

That may be true for the party hacks like myself - but they're ignoring the independents who won't bother to show up or will vote Green.

If Hillary loses the general (and I expect she will), they'll never examine her actions or theirs it will just be our "fault" and they'll claim that none of us showed up. And then it will be used to move the party even further to the right.

We can talk about the coming demise of the Republican party but the Democratic party needs to wake up and figure out it's walking the same line. If it survives it will only be because moderate Republicans have taken it over as its past constituency of New Deal/Great Society Democrats look for somewhere else to go.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
111. I am that independent you speak off
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:41 PM
Feb 2016


And I agree.

I will blame them though for it, and the politics of personal destruction.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
92. Anyone got the results for this?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

I havent had an op go unalerted since may so i know someone has them.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
96. Nothing. At this point nothing can be done to unify the party.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

Shit has gone too far in my opinion. The party is going to lose the GE if she is the nominee, then we are going to start wandering through the desert like the republicans have been doing since W.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
102. When they swear in President Trump
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

She won't have any shame for bringing us there. She's still friends with The Donald. She'll still get to visit the WH. Unless she's in jail which is what I hope the FBI does to her.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
117. The Right wing will have a similar number of disappointed primary voters.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:48 PM
Feb 2016

It's common in election cycles. On balance, I think Hillary will do well in the general.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
119. We are now at the point where she is throwing the general election to the GOP.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Millions of Bernie supporters who have been insulted and slimed by Hillary's mob won't have amnesia this fall when they go to the polls. They will simply NOT vote for her, one of the foulest, ugliest, and most dishonest politicians the Democratic Party has ever produced. The world will shake its head at us as Donald Trump takes office.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
121. She will do or say anything to win...I don't think she gives a tinker's damn about anything else.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:50 PM
Feb 2016

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
126. Excuse me, but the group of people who has continually trashed a candidate
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

and has been insufferable, are not exactly the supporters of Hillary.

Burnt bridges? Read the hundreds of posts here that have attacked Hillary's character and that of anybody who has come out to endorse her. Then reflect on who is really burning bridges.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
137. Learn how to win a GE election. If you think Hillary can do it w/o Bernie's coalition....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:15 PM
Feb 2016

well....you'll see.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
140. The same goes for your side, if Sanders were to win the nomination.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

Or do you think that you can win without her supporters?

A little more civility from both sides is necessary, but MIA on this board.



 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
154. When Bernie starts smearing her as a racist or otherwise ratfucking her...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

please let me know. So far that type of shit is coming from one campaign (I'm not talking about DU. I remember you from 08, you know the score as well as I do.)

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
165. My "side" hasnt been demanding loyalty oaths for 6 months
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:12 AM
Feb 2016

Are you saying the loyalty oath demands only go one way?

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
142. Well we will be told that
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

if we don't turn out it is our fault, but I am waiting for Trump to drop the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs speech during the GE... If those were out now we would have a much different race going on, but unfortunately they will be used in the GE along with her potential indictment over emails and a bunch of other baggage and garbage that we will be called on to defend.... This is nuts...

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
147. Some wounds can't be healed.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

... but I'll tell you one thing, if the democratic party doesn't want a republican sweep in November, they better hope that Sanders is the nominee.

cer7711

(502 posts)
156. The Clintons: Wrong On . . .
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

NAFTA

"Don't ask; don't tell"

reforming "welfare as we know it"

the "triangulation" of ever-rightward-moving policy as a means to forge political consensus

the deregulation of Wall Street

a vote in favor of invading Iraq

pursuing trade policies that drove up drug prices around the world

the implementation of draconian sentencing laws that gave us one of the highest incarceration rates in the world

HRC claiming she came under "sniper fire" after landing in Bosnia (Film exists of smiling children handing HRC flowers.)

HRC "golden handcuffs"--paid for by the American people & Goldman Sachs

suspicious last-minute election year reversals of long-standing support for TPP & the Keystone XL pipeline

luke-warm defense of unions

luke-warm efforts to raise the minimum (WORKING CLASS!) wage

Alert away, itchy pro-HRC fingers. I'll hold my nose and vote for HRC if she wins the nomination but you know what? It will be with exactly zero enthusiasm--and the understanding that hawkish, pro-war HRC will fix NOTHING in Washington or Wall Street.

......................

Time for the Clintons to exit politics, methinks. Experience only counts if you LEARN from it. And HRC, it seems, has learned all the wrong, cynical, word-parsing lessons from her husband and the 1%-ers that own her . . .

......................


SEE ALSO:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-is-sorry_us_55a83397e4b0896514d0e220

......................

AND:

In dealing with Wall Street, Clinton faced the same challenge as any lawmaker representing New York, where the financial industry includes not only constituents but campaign donors. Wall Street executives were the largest donors to both her 2006 Senate re-election bid and her 2008 presidential race; employees of just eight banking firms gave $2.67 million to those campaigns, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-profit research group.

Clinton in 2007 publicly decried a tax break for hedge-fund and private-equity executives — and continues to do so in her current campaign. But she didn’t sign on as a supporter of a Senate bill that would have curbed the break.

As a senator, Clinton also had a brush with the shadow-banking world that she now describes as a continuing threat to the financial system. When AIG, the giant insurance company and poster child for lightly regulated finance, began to implode in September 2008, Clinton reached out to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who was involved in talks to rescue the firm with government funds. Her little-noticed overture came on behalf of some wealthy investors who stood to lose millions and had hired two longtime associates of the Clintons to represent them.

Brian Fallon, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, declined to comment for this story.

https://www.propublica.org/article/hillary-clinton-mixed-record-on-wall-street-tough-cut-it-out-talk






Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
161. People aren't turning out for Hillary
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

Do they really want to unite the Party? I think they just want you to vote for who they tell you to vote for, give money and don't ask for anything.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
166. She and Debbie are destroying the party: because it is all about winning, or something.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:48 AM
Feb 2016

Also 9/11 and a gender. So if Sanders is denied the nomination, we had better start looking for a way to give Democratic Values a new party, since the Democratic Party, at that point, won't want them anymore.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
171. She never will. All her big donor friends and war-criminal advisors are
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

striding in front of her to advance their interests all over the world .... she's racing to keep up. No time to look behind.

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