Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: Gun Range Suicides [View all]

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
69. that is not how the law works
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:45 AM
Oct 2012

I doubt it works that way in Italy. Then again, if their civil system is anything like their criminal system

The truth is, Italians have long since recognized the unreliability and compromised nature of their courts. At the moment, the Italian public's trust in the justice system is at an all-time low. According to a November poll by Euromedia research group, only 16 percent of Italians fully trust it; just two years ago, the figure was 28 percent. And Italian civil rights groups are intense in their criticism of what they view as kangaroo courts.
Wow and I thought our trial by media is bad. But then, you are talking about a legal system that was created by a bunch of lead poisoned imperialistic savages who forced slaves to kill each other for fun and profit.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/10/can_anyone_get_a_fair_trial_in_italy
So if some guy buys or rents a car and drives it off a cliff to do himself in, is Hertz responsible? Is the guy at Wal Mart or Ace responsible if he or she sells the rope to someone who uses that means, which is the most common in Europe? See where this goes?
Gun Range Suicides [View all] mikeb302000 Oct 2012 OP
How exactally do you propose Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #1
Of course not with perfect accuracy. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #19
No nt Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #20
I hope that's a joke, but I doubt it is. Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #21
It would prevent the depressed guy from using the range to kill himself. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #22
How? Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #27
Thought so. Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #58
Waiting periods work for suicide and rage. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #61
actually no gejohnston Oct 2012 #65
And we are to take your word for it? PavePusher Oct 2012 #67
how do we know he was depressed? perhaps he had terminal cancer and was in terrible pain trouble.smith Oct 2012 #32
Then he should do it in his bathtub at home. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #62
No, it only reflects badly on the person who creates a horrific mess for others. PavePusher Oct 2012 #68
Lame. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #76
Yes! Francis Marion Oct 2012 #75
People need to stop victimizing gun ranges ileus Oct 2012 #2
If somebody is sucidial, they will find away to kill themselves. Travis_0004 Oct 2012 #3
Methods of Suicide Remmah2 Oct 2012 #4
Volcano?!!??! EX500rider Oct 2012 #36
Since you are so concerned..... PavePusher Oct 2012 #5
I showed that in the post mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #23
you showed nothing gejohnston Oct 2012 #33
Please point/bold/highlight/something for those of us too blind to see. PavePusher Oct 2012 #34
The 19 Jobs Where You're Most Likely To Kill Yourself Remmah2 Oct 2012 #6
So what efforts do you suggest? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #7
By requiring a 24 hour advance reservation. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #24
Hey, that would suit me fine! Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #30
Are you the same blogger "Baldr Odinson"? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #8
This is a new one, I haven't seen this one before rl6214 Oct 2012 #16
Yes. I'm Colin Goddard too. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #25
I don't know who Colin Goddard is. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #29
His name is Legion! Or Spartacus.... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #60
I'm Spartacus! holdencaufield Oct 2012 #71
Me and the wife are Spartacus Kennah Oct 2012 #80
" Renting guns to suicidal people is wrong and every effort should be made to stop it. " 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #9
why do something that will hurt your business? gejohnston Oct 2012 #10
So, you attack (in advance!) the intellectual means of reasoning Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #11
Ban suicidal humans! discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #12
Kill 'em! It's the only way to prevent the suicides. Kennah Oct 2012 #79
Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #81
Well of course. We have to give them due process. And then kill them. Kennah Oct 2012 #82
I have heard (although I've never been there) that one of my local ranges petronius Oct 2012 #13
The ranges in the Seattle area all went with the rule ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #14
Good grief...what a stupid rule. n/t Grave Grumbler Oct 2012 #15
Since there have been no more suicides since the first two, ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #17
There you go. Trying to solve the problem. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #26
Do you believe there can be such a thing as a bad restriction? Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #28
I think restricting sound suppressors is wrong. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #63
That will work until... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #31
Most range owners have zero desire for a suicide on their range aletier_v Oct 2012 #18
Isolated incidents. So rare they're not really worth discussing much. slackmaster Oct 2012 #35
Only callous and biased gun owners think that the loss of human life is acceptable. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #64
Loss of human life may not be acceptable ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #72
Who said that the loss of life is acceptable? slackmaster Oct 2012 #78
Hope the Store Had Insurance fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #37
How so? Under what laws or moral principles... PavePusher Oct 2012 #38
Sure. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #39
Did they rent to a mentally unstable person? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #41
Do they have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #42
The Answer Is fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #45
In some places... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #47
Nonsense fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #49
How any of that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #57
the plaintiff's lawyer would gejohnston Oct 2012 #44
They Are fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #46
Nonsense fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #50
but the law gejohnston Oct 2012 #51
Law Does Not Allow Them to Rent to Someone Who Appears Intoxicated fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #52
didn't say he was drunk at the time gejohnston Oct 2012 #53
So, require that the ranges not rent to someone who appears suicidal. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #70
A sale or rental... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #48
Tell It To A Judge or Jury fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #40
Answer my question.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #43
Ok fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #54
So, you're dodging. Quite predictable from you. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #55
Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #56
Of course they're responsible. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #66
that is not how the law works gejohnston Oct 2012 #69
I rent a car from Avis ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #73
At the range where I shoot, you don't rent a firearm unless you come in with one. Simo 1939_1940 Oct 2012 #59
Some would consider it Francis Marion Oct 2012 #74
My opinion is, to trash this geckosfeet Oct 2012 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Oct 2012 #83
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control & RKBA»Gun Range Suicides»Reply #69