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magical thyme

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76. I'm on dialup, so didn't see the video

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:08 AM

Mar 2012

but the articles didn't seem to equivocate. They referenced 3 emails from a witness that said Trayvon was face down and shot in the back. The summary I read said the boy was on the ground and the man was above him. He heard the gun shot but didn't see the flash, and at that point he wasn't sure who shot who. When he saw the man stand up he knew the boy was the one who'd been shot. The man then walked toward him and he saw his face, he appeared uninjured, he looked nervous and wiped his hand over his head.

The thought that Trayvon regained his feet, staggered around for a few seconds and then collapsed sounds pretty unlikely to me. I could believe that he could have been blown backwards by the force, but then he would have landed on his back, not face down with his arms under him.

Backscatter from a bullet happens immediately. I would think a large chest wound would bleed pretty quickly. Of course, a bullet entry might not make a large wound. But the Funeral Director said there was a large chest wound, but he couldn't tell if it was an entry or exit wound.

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NEW WITNESS CONFIRMS TRAYVON MARTIN WAS THE VICTIM [View all] kpete Mar 2012 OP

the wittness doesn't speak very well. I guess he was nervous. Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #1

Could the witness have been a child? JDPriestly Mar 2012 #79

Witness Did Not Want To Be Identified Allymax Mar 2012 #86

cowardly bastard shot that boy in the back magical thyme Mar 2012 #2

I thought he was shot in the chest. ? Has that been made public? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #7

the quote is near the beginning of the article (sorry, mistakenly put end earlier) magical thyme Mar 2012 #11

The funeral co. spokesman said a chest wound HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #23

I don't know. But it was a powerful gun...a 9 mm maybe? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #26

seems like it could have magical thyme Mar 2012 #46

The coroner said he did not see an exit wound flamingdem Mar 2012 #49

We have not seen the coroner's report, unless it was released today and I missed it. yardwork Mar 2012 #95

and funeral spokesman said he didn't know if chest wound was entrance or exit magical thyme Mar 2012 #28

funeral director said only one wound, and on the chest grasswire Mar 2012 #33

"He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point." magical thyme Mar 2012 #45

he said he couldn't tell because of the autopsy. robinlynne Mar 2012 #68

The entrance wound is smaller than the exit wound. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #80

9mm full metal jackets at that range would likely go through if no bone was hit. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #51

correct me...but didn't he also say that he couldn't determine if entry or exit wound? Dan Mar 2012 #55

If Trayvon Was Shot in Chest, How Did He Wind Up Face DOWN on Grass? Allymax Mar 2012 #85

Perhaps they'll explain it like the "magic bullet" of JFK KansDem Mar 2012 #87

Trayvon's Family Needs Their Own Forensic Pathologist Allymax Mar 2012 #88

Confirms what we knew all along. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #3

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2012 #4

Probably one of the police officers responding to the 911 calls. yardwork Mar 2012 #9

If you listen to the 911 calls, the flashlights were well after the shooting. robinlynne Mar 2012 #69

The 911 callers we've heard so far saw the flashlights later, but that doesn't mean yardwork Mar 2012 #94

Listen to the calls. Each caller reports the same thing. Time passes. minutes. then they see a flash robinlynne Mar 2012 #100

He was the "one-armed man" n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #21

This means nothing! SteveABG Mar 2012 #5

LOL. Lots of truth in that. Hoyt Mar 2012 #6

Not a new law. Been around since at least 1865 as far as I know. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2012 #18

Lying face down? shawn703 Mar 2012 #8

The police took the body away that night and didn't release it to his family until post autopsy. yardwork Mar 2012 #10

Yeah SteveABG Mar 2012 #16

At that close range, couldn't the bullet have gone all the way through? pnwmom Mar 2012 #19

possible SteveABG Mar 2012 #22

I may not have been clear. The funeral director implied that there were wounds on the front and back yardwork Mar 2012 #31

OK SteveABG Mar 2012 #35

Here's a link and bit from the article. uppityperson Mar 2012 #37

That doesn't seem to make sense to me... SteveABG Mar 2012 #39

Have you ever seen an autopsy? I have and it isn't pretty. After a shooting like this it would be uppityperson Mar 2012 #40

Gotcha SteveABG Mar 2012 #41

Some funeral directors/morticians can tell more than others, but their training and focus is uppityperson Mar 2012 #44

because the body was cut in autopsy, so he couldn't tell what kind of wound it was. robinlynne Mar 2012 #71

Right, that's how I interpreted what he said, too. He would have known the direction pnwmom Mar 2012 #66

Exactly. It's logic. yardwork Mar 2012 #96

the funeral director said the autopsy was right on top of the wound, so he couldn't tell. robinlynne Mar 2012 #70

It's quite possible NutmegYankee Mar 2012 #56

Depends on the type of bullet use. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #57

Exit wounds are larger than entry points. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #27

I know. The funeral director is not an expert on this, and the autopsy causes a lot of damage. yardwork Mar 2012 #29

exits wounds are typically larger than entry wounds.. frylock Mar 2012 #52

the autopsy should have determined which wound was entrance and which exit magical thyme Mar 2012 #14

It should be fairly obvious from the entry/exit wounds whether Trayvon was TrollBuster9090 Mar 2012 #15

They just need the clothes he wore to look for gun powder. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #25

Who examines the clothes for residue? Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #34

Looks to me like the cops would've stuffed him in a dumpster if they thought RKP5637 Mar 2012 #38

The coroner does. I had an uncle who was a coroner in (big city). He was rather odd, had interesting uppityperson Mar 2012 #42

The autopsy would have that information. It has not been released. yardwork Mar 2012 #32

the funeral director said chest wound, and no exit n/t grasswire Mar 2012 #43

"He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point." magical thyme Mar 2012 #47

That's not correct, unless you have seen a different news report than I have seen. yardwork Mar 2012 #97

We do know Trayvon was face down when the police arrived. (At least the police report says so.) robinlynne Mar 2012 #72

"On the ground facing down." aquart Mar 2012 #12

The sob shot him in the back? OMG. nt BootinUp Mar 2012 #13

The description was very confusing. I hope this person has put this into a clearer deposition pnwmom Mar 2012 #17

This "witness" basically didn't see anything, and this headlines is way over-hyped nt. naaman fletcher Mar 2012 #82

I thought the dead body confirmed Trayvon was the victim n/t MrBig Mar 2012 #20

the killer's father is claiming Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, making Zimmerman the victim magical thyme Mar 2012 #30

If Trayvon were shot in the back Oneka Mar 2012 #60

yeah, I did a little research magical thyme Mar 2012 #64

a chest wound Oneka Mar 2012 #65

I'm on dialup, so didn't see the video magical thyme Mar 2012 #76

It boils down to the gun powder residue. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #24

My gut feeling, for whatever that's worth (not much, I know), drm604 Mar 2012 #36

K&R n/t myrna minx Mar 2012 #48

I'm wondering, where's the coroner? sakabatou Mar 2012 #50

good question. robinlynne Mar 2012 #73

We've heard from so many others, but not him. Why? sakabatou Mar 2012 #77

maybe he/she has ethics. or the opposite. robinlynne Mar 2012 #89

And after the debacle with the police Politicalboi Mar 2012 #53

This confirms that Martin was the victim? I don't see how. Vattel Mar 2012 #54

There was a fight, a gun shot or two, and Trayvon Martin was dead. Vattel Mar 2012 #59

Any decent defense lawyer Oneka Mar 2012 #63

The witness saw somebody get up off the body. Since Martin is dead, the person who got up yardwork Mar 2012 #98

The witness did not say that he saw somebody get up off the body. Vattel Mar 2012 #102

Zimmerman's story is that Trayvon was on top of hi beating him. the witness saw Trayvon under him be robinlynne Mar 2012 #74

What we need to know sixtiessman Mar 2012 #58

The best current means of Oneka Mar 2012 #62

Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #81

Knowing the way the local Racists have embraced this cause DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #61

You can tell who the witness is, from listening to the 911 calls on robinlynne Mar 2012 #75

The police report also describes Trayvon dead on the ground face down wiht his hands under his body. robinlynne Mar 2012 #67

That would indicate he fell forward, wouldn't it? sakabatou Mar 2012 #78

If he was on top of Zimmerman, he would fall on top of Zimmerman. There would be blood on Zimmerman. robinlynne Mar 2012 #90

"If he was on top of Zimmerman, he would fall on top of Zimmerman." sakabatou Mar 2012 #91

definitely not. if you are on your back, and someone on top of you attacking you, and you shoot robinlynne Mar 2012 #92

Why the shouting AtopTheRacismNow Mar 2012 #83

maybe becuase it is a really big deal. robinlynne Mar 2012 #93

Welcome to DU Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #99

Hey Redding News: of course Trayvon was the VICTIM KurtNYC Mar 2012 #84

I'm confused ... Myrina Mar 2012 #101