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70. And so it begins . . .

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:17 AM

Jul 2014

Just wait until the full effects of IMF austerity comes into effect. It will make the Maidan riots look like a walk in the park.

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Ukraine launches offensive in east, vows to rid country of 'parasites'. [View all] another_liberal Jul 2014 OP

"Dirt and parasites." That's some pretty ugly, dehumanizing rhetoric. It doesn't bode well. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #1

No, it does not . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #13

Anarchy in Kyiv "Self Defense" forces fight amongst each other - Video newthinking Jul 2014 #60

Anarchy in Kyiv - Maidan group assaults "Fatherland" MP newthinking Jul 2014 #61

And so it begins . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #70

Yes, it is ugly, but I think that he is referring to the separatist fighters who are amandabeech Jul 2014 #22

I am not certain calling separatist fighters parasites and dirt... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #36

Doesn't sound like something you'd expect from the "good guys," does it? Distant Quasar Jul 2014 #37

It's not the most flowery of prose.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #39

It is more than just unflowery prose. It's actually quite aggressive... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #40

It's wartime rhetoric, no more and no less. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #41

I think it could potentially devolve into deep ethnic conflict... Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #42

I predict a descent into disorder, that's how it will settle out. bemildred Jul 2014 #2

I think there is a good chance . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #10

I dunno, I think they all make shit up. bemildred Jul 2014 #14

Yeah, maybe, but I think the West will perpetuate it ballyhoo Jul 2014 #35

Putin cannot be trusted, I agree get rid of of the paramilitary scum. Oops I meant parasites. William769 Jul 2014 #3

You can't seriously mean that comment to be taken at face value? another_liberal Jul 2014 #7

Yes I can. William769 Jul 2014 #8

Given your avatar, your vitriol is bitterly ironic RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #11

.......... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #27

A Putin is plainly on his way to restoring the pink triangle in Russia. William769 Jul 2014 #31

Whoosh! You obviously don't get it. RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #34

I understand completely. William769 Jul 2014 #38

It takes all kinds . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #12

With apologies to Mike Godwin, this kind of talk sounds ominously familiar RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #4

Sadly, that is the situation . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #6

Let's get a hold of ourselves here, people. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #19

You realize the animosity between eastern and western Ukraine is more than 350 years old, right? RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #21

The animosity isn't anywhere as great as you claim. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #23

I know this.. sendero Jul 2014 #43

Is that really you, God? another_liberal Jul 2014 #66

mocking common sense.. sendero Jul 2014 #69

Who are you to order ethnic Russian Ukrainians to leave their homes? another_liberal Jul 2014 #71

They physically live in another country.. sendero Jul 2014 #72

The U. N. Charter enshrines the right of ethnic minorities to claim self-determination. another_liberal Jul 2014 #74

I think every selfish. sendero Jul 2014 #75

That sure worked out for Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #76

The Chechnyans were called "terrorists" too . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #77

Whom exactly Poroshenko may be referring to . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #5

Thanks . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #9

Uptodate on the subject from BBC here dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #17

While Poroshenko's rhetoric is bad, your equation of his "parasites" to mean "ethnic Russians" karynnj Jul 2014 #15

Exactly. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #24

I disagree . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #25

Okay, point out to me where he was referring to all ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #29

Poroshenko's comments are open to interpretation . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #32

UN says 54 thousand on June 27th: bemildred Jul 2014 #45

He is baiting Putin as instructed by his CIA masters cosmicone Jul 2014 #16

Good insight . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #26

Putin didn't say he was going to protect ethnic Russians. Not this time. Igel Jul 2014 #18

Everything is relative . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #28

The "simple" solution to all of this is.... lexx21 Jul 2014 #20

That is rather one-sided . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #30

Crimea is no longer a part of Ukraine.. lexx21 Jul 2014 #33

crimea was given to Ukraine in the soviet days cosmicone Jul 2014 #44

Ukrainians are not ethnically Russian. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #47

Who said they were? MattSh Jul 2014 #62

Crimea is no longer a part of Ukraine. dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #48

Putin says Russia will hold Ukraine accountable after ceasefire ends dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #46

well, Moscow, you did annex Ukrainian territory (Crimea) and continue to invade their country lanlady Jul 2014 #49

Good for Merkel and Hollande! another_liberal Jul 2014 #54

Fighting engulfs key city as Ukraine truce ends bemildred Jul 2014 #50

Pro-Russian rebels capture police HQ in Ukraine city bemildred Jul 2014 #51

Poroshenko says he wants to secure peace through making war . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #52

I don't know enough about him. bemildred Jul 2014 #55

Poroshenko seems to have been swayed by right wing demonstrations yesterday . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #56

I would hazard a guess that he is surrounded by enraged idiots bemildred Jul 2014 #57

Putin Warns Again of Force As Ukraine Fighting Spreads bemildred Jul 2014 #58

If European Leaders want to see an end to fighting in Ukraine . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #59

Remember, the IMF faned the flames jakeXT Jul 2014 #63

The background to that dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #65

Too right . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #67

That is an important point. another_liberal Jul 2014 #80

Exactly what happens in such a situation? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #79

Negotiation is always better than outright war on civilians . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #81

What you're suggesting isn't negotiation, however. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #82

The Ukrainian forces "reached out" alright . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #89

DNR has no popular support. joshcryer Jul 2014 #64

No popular support? another_liberal Jul 2014 #68

Nope. joshcryer Jul 2014 #73

That's a totally subjective characterization . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #85

Well, public opinion polls showed little support for secession. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #78

Whose opinion polls? another_liberal Jul 2014 #83

Pew, for starters. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #84

Western media? another_liberal Jul 2014 #86

No, actually I don't see what you mean. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #87

It's not like there is no evidence most Russian-Ukrainians want independence . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #88

Those referendums were a farce and you know it. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #90

Maybe the poll you quoted is a farce as well . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #91

You're asking if a poll conducted by Pew, with documented methodology, is a farce? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #93

I'm wondering if there is something else going on here... Xolodno Jul 2014 #92

Man, even Bush didn't call insurgents parasites. /nt Ash_F Jul 2014 #94