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Sancho

(9,073 posts)
31. People Control, Not Gun Control
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 10:36 PM
Apr 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
lawlessness is spreading thruout the land.... bahboo Apr 2023 #1
A man's home is his abbatoir. dchill Apr 2023 #7
Or slaughterhouse Rural_Progressive Apr 2023 #22
Put that POS in prison for the rest of his pathetic life Bengus81 Apr 2023 #2
Note also that this time the cops arrested the killer, that does not always happen. nt RockRaven Apr 2023 #3
2nd degree murder RSherman Apr 2023 #6
Coming out of the house with a gun is premeditation enough... dchill Apr 2023 #9
Any prosecutor who allows a manslaughter plea deal should be disbarred immediately f_townsend Apr 2023 #10
I don't know how it works in New York but in Minnesota dflprincess Apr 2023 #30
Since he didn't even know them how could it be premeditated? NullTuples Apr 2023 #32
The killer doesn't have to know the victim. nutshell2002 Apr 2023 #36
Since when does any criminal record prevent ANYONE in America from getting a gun?? AZ8theist Apr 2023 #33
Victim was a young white woman, not a black teenaged boy. That might have something to do with tblue37 Apr 2023 #13
The other shooter has also been arrested. oldsoftie Apr 2023 #42
Apparently Fox Noise and the Repugs have been successful at scaring people. flashman13 Apr 2023 #4
You hit the nail on the head Novara Apr 2023 #23
Conservatives are driven entirely by fear, rage and hate. mwb970 Apr 2023 #39
And if this occurred in some "stand your ground" state f_townsend Apr 2023 #5
Q: "What type of weapon was used?" A: "We don't want to talk about the weapon today" SledDriver Apr 2023 #8
This is Stefanik's district f_townsend Apr 2023 #16
Isn't it crazy it happened right after the Ralph Yarl shooting? RSherman Apr 2023 #11
what the hell is going on in this country? lapfog_1 Apr 2023 #12
You took the words right out of my mouth, lapfog_1 Diamond_Dog Apr 2023 #19
Guns and nuts. Bad combination. paleotn Apr 2023 #29
A lot of scared people spent a lot of money for expensive weapons to defend themselves LiberalArkie Apr 2023 #14
Defend themselves from what? They're creating the violence. Novara Apr 2023 #24
They don't care.. They can't except that they spent a lot of money on things they could not LiberalArkie Apr 2023 #25
I am so sick of these muzzlesucking m'fers who profess to be good guys justhanginon Apr 2023 #15
What good is a gun, if you don't use it? ... aggiesal Apr 2023 #17
Exactly LiberalArkie Apr 2023 #26
I worry about stuff like this IronLionZion Apr 2023 #18
Part of the 'well regulated militia'? keithbvadu2 Apr 2023 #20
This.................... Lovie777 Apr 2023 #21
From the OP link FakeNoose Apr 2023 #27
White on white crime..... AZ8theist Apr 2023 #34
Another important part of story is lack of cell phone service RSherman Apr 2023 #28
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Apr 2023 #31
Each of those are excellent points and completely justified and needed. AZ8theist Apr 2023 #35
Here's the article in the local paper: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #37
The animal who did this should be euthanized immediately. mwb970 Apr 2023 #38
The paranoid fear that is spreading is getting way out of hand. Woodwizard Apr 2023 #40
Repeal the 2nd The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #41
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