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2. Let's see. How about never going out of the house without a male relative?

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:24 PM

Jan 2016

Keeping the body and hair covered. Never celebrating in mixed groups outside the family. It should be fairly easy to come up with a few more rules.

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Mayor of Cologne says women should have code of conduct to prevent future assault [View all] philosslayer Jan 2016 OP

Oh yes, blaming the victim. coyote Jan 2016 #1

+10000000 TubbersUK Jan 2016 #5

Nobody is blaming victims anigbrowl Jan 2016 #7

I would agree philosslayer Jan 2016 #8

Common sense suggestions? LisaL Jan 2016 #17

Right! boobooday Jan 2016 #103

Then should these common sense suggestions apply to males also? LanternWaste Jan 2016 #89

It's bullshit, not common sense. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #124

Next you will tell us that if these were legitimate gropes the victims' bodies have a way to shut it AngryAmish Jan 2016 #151

what is your handle at DI? snooper2 Jan 2016 #171

Stick with your own group? LisaL Jan 2016 #20

Stop being ridiculous. Desert805 Jan 2016 #60

Umm no, "code of conduct", does not have a different implication in German as to the US coyote Jan 2016 #24

Well, I think their complaints are misplaced anigbrowl Jan 2016 #25

That's the problem right there... coyote Jan 2016 #29

Try again anigbrowl Jan 2016 #40

I find your last paragraph to be a disgusting mitigation of the actions of a criminal mob of men Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #49

Then you can't have read it very carefully anigbrowl Jan 2016 #50

Oh I have read it carefully. coyote Jan 2016 #67

I ams ure you are aware anigbrowl Jan 2016 #136

so you take the mayor to be saying that North African/Arab/Muslim culture is that women are asking geek tragedy Jan 2016 #140

No. That may be your interpretation but I do not share it. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #141

Hummmm...... RobinA Jan 2016 #52

In the US the harassing guys might run the risk of getting shot by one of the women also. hollowdweller Jan 2016 #163

Well fortunately Europe doesn't have the gun culture that the US does philosslayer Jan 2016 #167

some Germans commented on the mayors code of conduct that: coyote Jan 2016 #36

Safety Advice RobinA Jan 2016 #51

Yes. That'll probably pass eventually. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #53

From what has been reported, these women were surrounded by large groups of men and attacked. LisaL Jan 2016 #97

Exactly TubbersUK Jan 2016 #105

Do you think keeping a rapist " at arms length" is a sane sufrommich Jan 2016 #88

Apparently some posters here think it's a great safety advice. LisaL Jan 2016 #94

Well,there's one way. sufrommich Jan 2016 #95

They could set up a force field around themselves, keeping others out. raccoon Jan 2016 #106

Wie geht's? I agree. The Mayor might as well require women to JDPriestly Jan 2016 #37

Articles on this said families and couples were surrounded and attacked flamingdem Jan 2016 #64

Good Point TubbersUK Jan 2016 #107

I know, and it sickens me that some on this board are trying to minimize the smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #144

How do you walk at arm's length getting off a crowded train TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #41

Ridiculous indeed anigbrowl Jan 2016 #43

My hat is a cowgirl hat worn by Ann Richards. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #87

I would not blame you for wearing that 24/7! anigbrowl Jan 2016 #159

Ahhh TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #187

Good question TubbersUK Jan 2016 #46

bs, that is EXACTLY what is happening. saying that women's behaviour is responsible is niyad Jan 2016 #57

Only she never said women's behavior was responsible anigbrowl Jan 2016 #62

according to her, only the victims need to change their behavior. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #100

That is not true. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #135

yes, her stance is that the city needs to explain to Arabs that rape isn't okay. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #137

That is not true either. Clearly there is no point in further conversation with you. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #138

from the translation of your link: geek tragedy Jan 2016 #139

can we say "completely clueless" here? what in the HELL do you think that is? how goddamned niyad Jan 2016 #110

That is not my opinion at all anigbrowl Jan 2016 #157

shaking my head. . . . niyad Jan 2016 #164

I don't see the mayor's statement as victim-blaming I see it as breathtakingly naive denial Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #150

I somewhat agree anigbrowl Jan 2016 #158

I'm at a loss to understand the need to be diplomatic with gangs of rapists. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #162

That's because there isn't one. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #170

A lot of innocent people have already been attacked. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #172

A point I made myself about 90 minutes ago...#158. No need to increase that number. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #179

Lying to the people and telling them they didn't see the horrific thing they know they saw Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #184

You're right. christx30 Jan 2016 #193

The irony is she herself advocated for those who raped to come to her city. Jesus Malverde Jan 2016 #177

Untrue. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #180

Women being mob-assaulted is not a new phenomenon for the cultures involved. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #185

But EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #78

I don't know who you're addressing that to anigbrowl Jan 2016 #134

they are EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #142

Still don't know who you are talking about, or what anigbrowl Jan 2016 #149

The word she used is "Regeln", which means rules. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #125

None of her advice would have prevented an attack such as being discussed here. LisaL Jan 2016 #129

Right, and thus it is insulting and blaming the victim - at best a misdirection from the issue. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #132

Also mace to the face. They forgot that one. elehhhhna Jan 2016 #131

Maybe it was a bad translation? eom LiberalElite Jan 2016 #146

Sure sounds like victim blaming to me too. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #11

Yep 840high Jan 2016 #32

I had the same thought MosheFeingold Jan 2016 #31

+10000000 trillion Jan 2016 #68

Let's see. How about never going out of the house without a male relative? enough Jan 2016 #2

Better yet, just stay home. LisaL Jan 2016 #23

Cook and play with your kids. LuvNewcastle Jan 2016 #81

That's exactly how German women are reacting. For good reason. Julia Kloeckner was right. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #126

rec for wtf uppityperson Jan 2016 #3

Let me fix that for you. eggplant Jan 2016 #28

For all of them? Lancero Jan 2016 #34

I just want to see if I have this right. frizzled Jan 2016 #4

Muslim men can do it romanic Jan 2016 #13

You're right. It's been a growing problem. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #18

...^ that 840high Jan 2016 #33

Because the poor babeez are oppressed and we cannot possibly smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #44

You've hit on something I've leftynyc Jan 2016 #75

Too many, still. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #133

Sarah Haider: Islam and the Necessity of Liberal Critique (AHA Conference 2015) FrodosPet Jan 2016 #152

That's disgusting. Obviously Germany is not safe for women and she blames the women. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #6

Might be "problematic" based on who committed the crimes ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #9

No need to say more philosslayer Jan 2016 #12

Keep doing your performance art ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #15

No one is doing anything of the sort philosslayer Jan 2016 #16

Except that it is. Until the messaging took over, even the police were saying that it was. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #21

It's also not tied to the 'behavior' of women walking to the station. That's the point here. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #22

Unless police got all of the attackers, how does she know who they were? LisaL Jan 2016 #39

No, it's tied to the children of refugees from TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #42

I think it was men who committed the crimes... LanternWaste Jan 2016 #92

Maybe She Lives RobinA Jan 2016 #54

That's true but it adds up to so much "furniture in the mind" and constant level of background worry lostnfound Jan 2016 #65

No Argument RobinA Jan 2016 #117

So you seem to think that it's woman's responsibility to prevent these attacks? LisaL Jan 2016 #127

WTF. How about a "code of conduct" for MEN?! CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #10

Serously! How about that code includes JAIL, FFS! And the mayor is a woman. Squinch Jan 2016 #27

That's it TubbersUK Jan 2016 #47

Thank YOU! I would go one further and impose a curfew smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #45

Sounds good to me. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #48

This appears counter-intuitive. If the the problem you're trying to solve is ensuring that it's safe 24601 Jan 2016 #130

Ten Rape Prevention Tips FrodosPet Jan 2016 #70

Good. Let me post that for you. trillion Jan 2016 #71

Wow - that is MOST excellent....nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #153

Fuck you, Henriette Warpy Jan 2016 #14

So " she was asking for it" has returned? Ridiculous. 7962 Jan 2016 #19

"asking for it" has never left, sadly. the denial of the existence of rape culture is not in the niyad Jan 2016 #112

Guess i'll never understand how anyone could think "She asked for it" 7962 Jan 2016 #121

because the patriarchy sees women as strictly here for the benefit of men, and excuses niyad Jan 2016 #123

don't forget, there is a state rep in NH who thinks that, if a woman is breastfeeding in public, niyad Jan 2016 #161

just when i think i've heard it all. sick.... 7962 Jan 2016 #175

the woman-hating bastard in maine has been in office since at least 1995 (which was when he niyad Jan 2016 #176

You have GOT to be kidding me. I live in New England and haven't heard of that. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #189

it was reported here on du a number of times. let me see if I can find some of the links. niyad Jan 2016 #190

here is a video one: niyad Jan 2016 #191

and another one: niyad Jan 2016 #194

What a disgusting little twerp. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #195

pretty much. one has to wonder about the kind of sick mental processing going on in what niyad Jan 2016 #196

It is the attackers who need a code of conduct treestar Jan 2016 #26

^^^THIS^^^ SunSeeker Jan 2016 #35

How About this one: jonno99 Jan 2016 #154

+1 treestar Jan 2016 #186

The last paragraph may shed some light on this jmowreader Jan 2016 #30

Well, It Wasn't RobinA Jan 2016 #55

But did she follow the code of conduct when she was attacked? LisaL Jan 2016 #91

She didn't change her behavior. Thus,this idiocy. AngryAmish Jan 2016 #156

It seems she has an odd psychological fixation. bt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #90

Obviously she should have kept her attacker sufrommich Jan 2016 #99

Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tag jmowreader Jan 2016 #102

I don't think it needs the tag. nt sufrommich Jan 2016 #104

How about men having a code of conduct to prevent such incidents from ever happening again? LeftishBrit Jan 2016 #38

Ten Rape Prevention Tips FrodosPet Jan 2016 #69

Some on DU will probably agree Democat Jan 2016 #56

and why is it that this mass assault on women has not received wider coverage? of course, niyad Jan 2016 #58

The German government strongly discourage inflammatory news stories philosslayer Jan 2016 #59

They are correct, cool heads need to prevale mwrguy Jan 2016 #63

A happy, peace keeping lie is FAR more noble than upsetting, potentially inflammatory truth FrodosPet Jan 2016 #73

The Donald would condemn this as the dreaded "political correctness". pampango Jan 2016 #84

It's one of the top BBC headlines over here T_i_B Jan 2016 #85

Complete with enablers like Cologne's mayor nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #98

I never saw that OP, or heard anything about that horror. niyad Jan 2016 #113

Rotherham is local to me T_i_B Jan 2016 #119

will read up on it. sadly, not surprised that media here did not cover it. niyad Jan 2016 #120

There was an NYT article about it at the time T_i_B Jan 2016 #122

Check out the comments on the NY Times smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #145

page not found. niyad Jan 2016 #165

Sorry, let me look for a better link. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #168

thank you!! this link worked. and, yes, the comments do give one hope. niyad Jan 2016 #169

Sanity, at last! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #173

it is, indeed. niyad Jan 2016 #174

Common sense safety precautions hate women. Desert805 Jan 2016 #61

Whether it is from white frat boys, North Africans, or creatures from Andromeda, FrodosPet Jan 2016 #74

No woman (man or child) should have to worry about lots of Desert805 Jan 2016 #79

+10000000000000 CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #83

If simply 'common sense precautions', why were the specifically directed towards women LanternWaste Jan 2016 #93

What a silly response. Desert805 Jan 2016 #116

Besides being in public, what common sense rules did they violate? nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #101

None as far as I can see from the reports n/t TubbersUK Jan 2016 #109

Bingo. nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #114

what next, government-issued burkas? geek tragedy Jan 2016 #66

They may as well say what they really mean - the victim had it coming and the men who do it trillion Jan 2016 #72

Here you go... smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #147

Mayor Reker was seriously wounded herself in October when she was stabbed in the neck Kalidurga Jan 2016 #76

Possible but I suspect it is even more obvious than that ... Nihil Jan 2016 #86

There's wrong and wrong anigbrowl Jan 2016 #160

There is also a world of difference ... Nihil Jan 2016 #183

Who stabbed her? nt flamingdem Jan 2016 #108

An anti-immigration thug Kalidurga Jan 2016 #143

Fuck that. Better educate the immigrants what's unacceptable behaviour. DetlefK Jan 2016 #77

Or maybe better educate all males, regardless of country of origin... LanternWaste Jan 2016 #96

When in Rome do as the Romans do. bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #80

I think that is what enrages me more than anything. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #148

Wait, Whut? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #82

A politician used the term "code of conduct" Babel_17 Jan 2016 #111

Come on ... Amaya Jan 2016 #115

Why didn't the victims vomit or urinate on the attackers? Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #118

of course, because everyone can vomit on demand, or urinate. or, did you forget the niyad Jan 2016 #166

I thought it was so over the top that the sarcasm was implied. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #181

that was the reason I asked. niyad Jan 2016 #188

Good idea HassleCat Jan 2016 #128

How about an 8pm curfew for all males? SheilaT Jan 2016 #155

How about a code of conduct for the criminals and law enforcement? merrily Jan 2016 #178

Telling someone to be careful cheapdate Jan 2016 #182

Holy Schiess! Ken Burch Jan 2016 #192

The phrase code-of-conduct is disturbing PersonNumber503602 Jan 2016 #197