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babylonsister

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Thu Mar 30, 2017, 05:51 PM Mar 2017

Today's Russia hearings actually revealed something new and important [View all]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/30/todays-russia-hearings-actually-revealed-something-new-and-important/?utm_term=.44ebe4a3c718

Today’s Russia hearings actually revealed something new and important
By Sarah Posner March 30 at 4:15 PM


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In a moment that stunned the hearing room, Watts flatly stated that the president himself has become a cog in such Russian measures. When asked by Oklahoma Republican James Lankford, who appeared visibly dismayed, why, if Russians have long used these methods, they finally worked in this election cycle, Watts’ answer was extraordinary.

“I think this answer is very simple and is one no one is really saying in this room,” he said. Part of the reason, he went on, “is the commander in chief has used Russian active measures at times against his opponents.”

To buttress the claim that Trump (unwittingly or not) aided Russian disinformation efforts, Watts cited several instances. Among them: Trump’s citation of an apparently false Sputnik story at an October 2016 campaign appearance; his ongoing denial before and after the campaign of U.S. intelligence of Russian interference in the election; his claims of voter fraud and election rigging, which Watts said was pushed by RT and Sputnik; and Trump’s questioning of the citizenship of former President Barack Obama and even his primary rival Ted Cruz.

Watts added that one of the reasons such tactics are working is that Trump and/or his surrogates have repeated some of the claims, further spreading them through social media accounts that are owned both by real people and bots. Thus, the disinformation is kept alive and gradually becomes more real and plausible. “Part of the reason active measures work is because they parrot the same lines,” Watts said.


Republicans on the committee today seemed to be grappling with the enormity of what this could mean
— and, crucially, that this threat should not be seen through a partisan prism. Rubio questioned Watts about a series of such false news stories and hoaxes, including claims that a thousand Muslims had burned down the oldest church in Germany while shouting “Allahu Akbar,” that migrants had raped a German girl, and that the European Union planned to ban snowmen as racist. (If you’ve ever spent time on alt-right social media, there’s a familiar ring to these stories: they are exactly the sort of thing that gets spread and recycled, and reverberate as supposed evidence of the nefariousness of say, Muslims, or the overreach of “political correctness.”)

Rubio seemed to suggest that he sees these tactics as intended to divide Americans from one another. “Aren’t we in the midst of a blitzkrieg, for lack of a better term, of informational warfare conducted by Russian trolls, under the command of Vladimir Putin,” Rubio asked, that is designed to divide Americans “politically, socioeconomically, demographically, and the like?” Watts confirmed that one of the aims of Russian active measures is to “play on ethnic divisions.”

It’s not clear yet how much significance these revelations have, if any, to the ongoing probe into possible Russian-Trump campaign collusion. But the gravity of today’s hearing — combined with the New York Times revelations — may prod Senate Republicans into stepping up, particularly to fill the vacuum caused by Nunes’ plummeting credibility.
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Here's the thing, whether they coordinate w/Russia or not, FOX & rightwing media have done this KittyWampus Mar 2017 #1
Precisely malaise Mar 2017 #3
Exactly! Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #21
While that is true NewJeffCT Mar 2017 #38
You can hear the excuses now gratuitous Mar 2017 #2
This. teezy Mar 2017 #27
The "locker room talk" defense. Hugin Mar 2017 #37
My favorite part: "I think this answer is very simple and is one no one is really saying in this Amaryllis Mar 2017 #4
Excellent! BadgerMom Mar 2017 #5
Yes indeedy. LOL iluvtennis Mar 2017 #8
We need evidence of Trump or aides conspiring so the phrase "unwittingly or not" isn't necessary. Hoyt Mar 2017 #6
They use the "some people say ..." or "I just saw/read ..." dodge bigbrother05 Mar 2017 #34
The web brigades of St. Petersburg, Russia Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #7
So, if you disagree with tRump. Will you get a visit from the invrabbit Mar 2017 #9
Well, now that our online privacy is being taken away, who knows? nt babylonsister Mar 2017 #11
Another chill down my spine... LakeArenal Mar 2017 #10
So this explains all the insane stories constantly pushed by the extreme right! Kablooie Mar 2017 #12
Puts a new light on the FAUX hypnotism machine. Amaryllis Mar 2017 #13
Yup, read George Lakoff davekriss Mar 2017 #14
And the insane stories pushed by the extreme left. yardwork Mar 2017 #24
Yes- let's not forget Wiki Leaks mania scooped up loads of lefties too! bettyellen Mar 2017 #28
They count on the repetition to mask the circular links bigbrother05 Mar 2017 #35
KnR Hekate Mar 2017 #15
Wonder if it's zentrum Mar 2017 #16
I share that with him. I feel it and I don't even know babylonsister Mar 2017 #26
Russia wants global warming to double their arable farmland... bettyellen Mar 2017 #29
Agree. Utter ruthlessness. nt zentrum Mar 2017 #32
Divide and conquer bucolic_frolic Mar 2017 #17
Agreed and "play on ethnic divisions" Get the People fighting with each other. MarcA Mar 2017 #18
Watts was so great today Nwgirl503 Mar 2017 #19
OMG. This is actually distressing to hear this information. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #20
Really? These fake stories have been all over DU for more than a year. yardwork Mar 2017 #23
But...but...his name is CLINTON Watts! Which proves he's just shilling for the Clintons! TrollBuster9090 Mar 2017 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2017 #25
Excellent post, Babylonsister! herding cats Mar 2017 #30
I thought that Watts' testimony was excellent. n/t MBS Mar 2017 #31
"Trumps questioning of the citizenship of former President Barack Obama and even his primary rival Cha Mar 2017 #33
Did You Ever Notice How, During the Election Campaign, panfluteman Mar 2017 #36
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