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MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts) Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:32 PM Jun 2016

Ali called Joe Frazier ugly, Uncle Tom, and a gorilla, and probably showed the least sportsmanship.. [View all]

of any athlete over the last 50 years. A lot of the poor sportsmanship you see today is a direct result of people glorifying Ali's taunting, insulting, and bullying of others.

He was, ironically, to sports what Donald Trump is to politics.

Sure, we agree with the guy's political beliefs, but let's not deify someone who by many measures was an absolute bully (and I'm talking about outside the ring).

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Ali called Joe Frazier ugly, Uncle Tom, and a gorilla, and probably showed the least sportsmanship.. [View all] MadDAsHell Jun 2016 OP

That was all part of the showmanship jberryhill Jun 2016 #1

Frazier wanted to kill him and never got over it BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #11

My gf is from Manila DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #38

Incorrect. H2O Man Jun 2016 #76

I respect and believe your comment BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #82

Agree & disagree. H2O Man Jun 2016 #85

I remember Eddie Futch saying after Manila BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #86

So calling a black person a gorilla is OK if it's theater or "for show"? MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #15

Yes, Ali was a noted racist jberryhill Jun 2016 #16

Are you denying that he called another black man a gorilla? MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #20

Is Bill Maher a racist for calling Trump an oragatange? MasonDreams Jun 2016 #64

"If you ask me, these primates aren't just smarter than Trump they're smarter than us." Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #113

I hope you forgot the sarcasm tag. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #21

Do you honestly believe in this context it needs a sarcasm tag? jberryhill Jun 2016 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #60

How could he have been a racist? scscholar Jun 2016 #53

Uhh, how couldn't he have been? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #109

Also called him an uncle Tom philosslayer Jun 2016 #34

He was angry because Frazier refused to use his chosen name Tsiyu Jun 2016 #103

All this after Frazier loaned Ali a substantial sum while he was banned from boxing. RandySF Jun 2016 #51

Boxing and MMA promotion is theater -- exactly obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #74

It's dramatics. But actual theater does not rely on the injury of the artists nor does it celebrate Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #89

I agree, but.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #99

Also... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #2

Yes, Muhammed Ali showed that he could learn, change, and grow. raging moderate Jun 2016 #54

You put that very well... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #69

Ali was a master of hyping his fights. We knew what that was all about back then brush Jun 2016 #3

I disagree, Frazier was bitter to the very end. And rightly so. MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #5

And how do you know Frazier was bitter to the very end? brush Jun 2016 #8

I am glad you are perfect so we won't get to judge you by any bad moments. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #12

"I pray every day for him" jberryhill Jun 2016 #13

You're wrong...It's all here BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #14

That documentary is a bit one sided. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #17

They made each other greater as fighters BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #25

Unfortunately us geeezers are old enough to remember the politcs of the time. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #28

Uh, check your facts. Joe Frazier defended him and called for his reinstatement. MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #30

Uh, reading comprehension is not your forte. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #37

It was nastier than anything you could conjure up today BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #33

Bill Clinton, Bryant Gumbel, and Billy Crystal are doing the eulogies... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #36

They reconciled later. Here'a a link with George Foreman talking about it. brush Jun 2016 #22

Boxing is a sport where you try to punch a guy over and over again in the face until he can't stand. Shoulders of Giants Jun 2016 #4

You can still be a dignified human being in a non-dignified activity MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #6

He may not have been a good sportsman, but he was unquestionably a great one. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #7

... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #10

boxing is about winning and getting inside your opponents head beachbum bob Jun 2016 #9

"boxing is about winning and getting inside your opponents head." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #40

Oh, just stop it. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #18

Some folks will say anything in the name of iconoclasm. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #24

You seem uncomfortable with the truth. MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #26

I don't need your "help", actually. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #29

You do what you want malaise Jun 2016 #19

The use of bully in this context is odd... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #23

Just laugh malaise Jun 2016 #32

Only on DU could shit like this come up, at this time, as a serious attempt at discussion. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #27

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2016 #83

the man has died... chillfactor Jun 2016 #31

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2016 #84

Fuck this shit! edhopper Jun 2016 #35

Jesus... BronxBoy Jun 2016 #39

... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Jun 2016 #42

;) MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #43

Nothing left to say Blecht Jun 2016 #45

Ohhh ornotna Jun 2016 #47

Bravo! scarletwoman Jun 2016 #50

+A million. ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #55

Perfectly stated rebuttal to Ops opinion.... AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #56

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: You alerted on a post which was already alerted pintobean Jun 2016 #57

2-5 keep it MrsMatt Jun 2016 #72

I agree rockfordfile Jun 2016 #78

LOL, I see what you did there Brother Buzz Jun 2016 #98

. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #62

Thank you! Are_grits_groceries Jun 2016 #63

The Greatest countryjake Jun 2016 #65

Great post - well said (n/t) CrawlingChaos Jun 2016 #66

Well said. ChickenGuru Jun 2016 #67

Thank you, I believe it needed to be said. BootinUp Jun 2016 #71

Down goes MadDAsHell! Down goes MadDAsHell! Orrex Jun 2016 #75

Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2016 #77

"Fuck Philly???" Loki Liesmith Jun 2016 #81

This old timer hasn't forgotten a thing. ornotna Jun 2016 #87

Yes. I gather he had many fans Loki Liesmith Jun 2016 #97

Seems he had his haters as well. ornotna Jun 2016 #100

I'm not one or the other Loki Liesmith Jun 2016 #108

Yes! tenderfoot Jun 2016 #88

^THIS^ Tsiyu Jun 2016 #90

--- mac56 Jun 2016 #91

Well said! Spazito Jun 2016 #102

Awesome reply- troll got rolled snooper2 Jun 2016 #110

. Brickbat Jun 2016 #112

If you so enjoy dancing on graves, ... Fly by night Jun 2016 #44

The look aty me thread of the year. trumad Jun 2016 #46

Listened to the second Ali Liston oswaldactedalone Jun 2016 #48

Sour grapes because Ali handed all your favorite fighters their collective asses. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #49

Inaccurate. H2O Man Jun 2016 #79

Yes... I can remember watching it as a kid with my dad and being crushed. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #95

LOL, sounds like you are whining. nt Logical Jun 2016 #80

What probably hurt most RandySF Jun 2016 #52

Every death brings out some whiner who has to be insulting. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #58

Ali was not running for President. For a white person to use the G word referring to a black person Lint Head Jun 2016 #61

He regretted it and apologized for it, several times. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #68

No, no, no. Ali was a competitor and people respect him. Even those that were turned off initially BootinUp Jun 2016 #70

Pre-bout trash talk is part of the hype of combat ports obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #73

Frazier never forgave Ali. RandySF Jun 2016 #92

He did forgive him eventually Bradical79 Jun 2016 #93

why you just call him Cassius clay while you're at it? KG Jun 2016 #94

wow... and I thought the OP was offensive Bucky Jun 2016 #111

Fuck off. Ali is a giant in the eyes of many, Greybnk48 Jun 2016 #96

Disgusting bluestateguy Jun 2016 #101

This is a vile OP, comparing Ali to Trump. Please delete. kwassa Jun 2016 #104

104 responses... I'm impressed Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #105

I stirred up some controversy early last month with a similar Trump/Ali comparison. anamnua Jun 2016 #106

He also inspired brettdale Jun 2016 #107

Most of that was thirty years ago or more... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #114

LOL. Trash talking in combat sports did not originate with Ali Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #115