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mike_c

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64. the number of people who share a belief has no bearing at all...

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 06:31 PM

Feb 2015

...on its truth or falsehood. But wholesale, uncritical acceptance of any belief in the face of overwhelming real evidence to the contrary is always "fanatical."

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Is religion a clear and present danger? [View all] Albertoo Feb 2015 OP

If that give some sort of comfort - believe it. TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #1

true. But nationalism and religion are the main culprits. Albertoo Feb 2015 #4

There you go. TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #5

Quite true! There would be a substitute and just as bad or worse IMO. Humans might RKP5637 Feb 2015 #51

Religions have only ever been sacred to their followers Panich52 Feb 2015 #2

Topic booted? Clear & present dangers would be swept under the rug. Albertoo Feb 2015 #3

From: "What can and cannot be posted in the General Discussion forum" TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #6

Is it wrong to question rules? Albertoo Feb 2015 #7

Take that up with the forum hosts TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #11

Wow.... haikugal Feb 2015 #30

Possibly True... misternormal Feb 2015 #54

I was just thinking of 'no religion' guidelines. Booted may be too strong. How abt 'transferred'? Panich52 Feb 2015 #15

I'm a lot happier since I lost mine madokie Feb 2015 #8

Same here! Most of what I see in religion is bigotry and hatred toward others. Religion is just RKP5637 Feb 2015 #56

Violent extremism is a clear and present danger meow2u3 Feb 2015 #9

Does it say, "ISLAM means human and animal rights"? Trillo Feb 2015 #10

no the issue was more likely the profit's head on the sheep Nobel_Twaddle_III Feb 2015 #76

In this instance I would have to answer no. But if you had said are religious fanatics dangerous I jwirr Feb 2015 #12

It's more about the funding and propagation of the fundie ideology. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #13

So what would you say to religious DUers? nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #14

I would respectfully suggest that they read hifiguy Feb 2015 #17

You aren't the writer of the OP - but I gather that if you want to do things respectfully el_bryanto Feb 2015 #18

I think religion is a clear and present danger hifiguy Feb 2015 #19

And if a believe reads that book and says "Well I'm unconvinced - I continue to have faith in God." el_bryanto Feb 2015 #21

People deserve respect, not ideologies Albertoo Feb 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #45

Where might one seek help for delusions? el_bryanto Feb 2015 #48

What I would say is: misternormal Feb 2015 #57

Nods - that's the best response I would think. nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #58

It is. hifiguy Feb 2015 #16

I would rather leave Marxists behind. former9thward Feb 2015 #20

Since this is a board that focuses on politics onenote Feb 2015 #22

Hard to argue with that logic; but then again many of the anti-theists el_bryanto Feb 2015 #24

thank you for that point. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #55

Do you just make this up as you go along? cleanhippie Feb 2015 #75

I am talking about Anti-theists not non-believers. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #90

So, just making it up. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #93

'Respect' for religions actually helps Republicans. Albertoo Feb 2015 #27

One of the less intelligent things I seen posted here in a while. onenote Feb 2015 #31

Agreed, and Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #78

I don't think much of your answer either Albertoo Feb 2015 #80

apparently you are under the misimpression that Nazism is a religion onenote Feb 2015 #83

Please, read and understand what I post before answering Albertoo Feb 2015 #84

The tactic of calling something a straw man onenote Feb 2015 #92

Please learn what a straw man argument tactic is. Albertoo Feb 2015 #95

"The assumption religions should not be critiqued..." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #42

Well, defense from the dangers of religion is politics now Albertoo Feb 2015 #79

Religion isn't, Religious fanatics are. William769 Feb 2015 #23

Religions breed fanaticism. Albertoo Feb 2015 #28

Every imaginary construct breeds fanaticism. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #34

Not true Orrex Feb 2015 #41

So you believe there is a link between the Constitution and the end of witch burning. onenote Feb 2015 #43

Define fanatic. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #40

So any Christian who believes in the resurrection is a fanatic el_bryanto Feb 2015 #49

please explain how an uncritical belief in the reanimation of dead bodies isn't "fanatical..." mike_c Feb 2015 #61

Can a belief really be fanatical if it's shared by ~ 77% of Americans? el_bryanto Feb 2015 #62

the number of people who share a belief has no bearing at all... mike_c Feb 2015 #64

Nods - we should get you a speech at the Democratic Convention el_bryanto Feb 2015 #65

That's just sad. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #73

You are right that there is something sad about this discussion. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #91

Oh, I'm sure you do. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #94

You aren't being fair in the restatement of the hypothesis. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #88

Jesus was supposed to be God the Son? Yorktown Feb 2015 #89

Yeah, we're all the same shenmue Feb 2015 #26

Religions display different degrees of dangerosity Albertoo Feb 2015 #29

I'd add: Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #50

Yep, they are hateful beings, spreading hatred for no valid reason. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #70

ALL Religions have violent extremists within their ranks erstickendarauf Feb 2015 #32

Thanks for this, an appeal to shared fallibility of humanity HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #36

No cordelia Feb 2015 #33

My philosophy is that everything is a danger in excess. EOT Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #35

The clear and present danger is the coddling of those that choose faith over reason. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #37

So what is your solution? onenote Feb 2015 #46

I thought I was clear in my implication. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #72

Religious belief demands belief in magical thinking... Orrex Feb 2015 #38

I often feel as if people have amnesia of the 20th century CJCRANE Feb 2015 #39

Religion is willful ignorance Augustus Feb 2015 #44

And yet, despite religion of one sort or another having been part of life onenote Feb 2015 #47

Yes IMO! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #52

So what do you propose doing about it onenote Feb 2015 #53

It's an observation. Religion will never be gone, but recognition for what it often is RKP5637 Feb 2015 #59

Yeah, my garden-variety Methodist church is a real threat. Brigid Feb 2015 #60

Is foolishness? H2O Man Feb 2015 #63

Present danger yes. Not clear enough to some seveneyes Feb 2015 #66

And a danger visibly not clear enough to some bystanders Albertoo Feb 2015 #86

No. n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #67

No. Fundamentalism, extremism, prejudging, bigotry, those are the dangers. uppityperson Feb 2015 #68

Not always. Jenoch Feb 2015 #69

It is the deranged minds that twist what religions say to justify their own atrocities. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #71

Is it deranged minds that twist religion? cleanhippie Feb 2015 #74

Wouldn't one's mind Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #77

Yep - that's the argument - Religion makes people insane. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #96

It is the TEXTS of the Torah and Quran that command killings Albertoo Feb 2015 #81

If it is a danger, then I suppose something must be treestar Feb 2015 #82

Don't attack people, but de-fang ideologies. Albertoo Feb 2015 #85

Yes, especially if you happen to be an abortion doctor. B Calm Feb 2015 #87

A lone psychotic or a mob that can be cajoled or bullied into professing a belief in the invisible... Orsino Feb 2015 #97

++ Albertoo Feb 2015 #98