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Sancho

(9,067 posts)
23. People control (not gun control)!
Mon May 19, 2014, 12:44 PM
May 2014

About every few months I get a chance to post this...sorry if you've seen it before. And to respond to part of this thread, I have personally known three people who killed or were killed by guns (when the gun possessor should never have been allowed near a firearm).

This is my generic response to gun threads. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Tom Tomorrow is great!

Mr. Tomorrow is definitely the sort of person who is too dumb to own a gun. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #1
Bingo! mikeysnot May 2014 #2
That's not even internally consistent. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #3
You are right I was being too kind... mikeysnot May 2014 #6
Because 90% of those tens of millions of gun owners do bad things with them. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #24
Dumb? brucefan May 2014 #4
More like Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #34
The only statements he is making LondonReign2 May 2014 #37
Then he is even dumber than I originally asserted if Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #38
He's lampooning RW "stand your ground" memes. Maedhros May 2014 #51
This happened at the Bundy Bunch ranch Politicalboi May 2014 #54
Most of the people I think of as "too dumb to own a gun" OWN a GUN CBGLuthier May 2014 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #12
Well, hello there billh58 May 2014 #16
It's true...if you don't *personally* know LondonReign2 May 2014 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #31
Does it count that I know a state trouper who shot his tv while cleaning it LiberalArkie May 2014 #19
So the first trooper didn't want to clean his tv? bearssoapbox May 2014 #25
Oh, I imagine it happens a lot LiberalArkie May 2014 #30
Yeah bearssoapbox May 2014 #33
So, we only need fear people we PERSONALLY know who have guns... joeybee12 May 2014 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #28
No, you're not...you're stating that the poster personally knows people joeybee12 May 2014 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #32
Return gun trolls are so billh58 May 2014 #35
He replied again to me...but he's been removed... joeybee12 May 2014 #36
And you know this how? Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #22
It's that nasty projection SQUEE May 2014 #9
you mad, bro? frylock May 2014 #11
How can you tell? surrealAmerican May 2014 #20
K&R Gidney N Cloyd May 2014 #7
New law legalizing brandishing a gun at head level pauldp May 2014 #8
Relevant SecularMotion May 2014 #10
A pointing society is a polite society! DirkGently May 2014 #13
Excellent cartoon Tsiyu May 2014 #14
That's a great cartoon Aerows May 2014 #17
K&R! billh58 May 2014 #15
People control (not gun control)! Sancho May 2014 #23
Makes sense bearssoapbox May 2014 #26
What is the license for oneofthe99 May 2014 #39
Just what it says... Sancho May 2014 #40
Would it be free? oneofthe99 May 2014 #41
Probably not...issued by your state...just like all similar permits. Sancho May 2014 #44
So you would want every state to adopt the same laws? or this would be a federal law? oneofthe99 May 2014 #48
What about this? oneofthe99 May 2014 #42
Do you pass a vision test to drive? Sancho May 2014 #46
No way to abuse a system on a vision test oneofthe99 May 2014 #49
Yes, you can beat any system. Sancho May 2014 #53
If a doctor okay's you and a week later you shoot up a mall should oneofthe99 May 2014 #50
That's not what happens... Sancho May 2014 #52
Do you think there's potential abuse of denying lawful gun owners the right to purchase or carry oneofthe99 May 2014 #43
Not a chance... Sancho May 2014 #45
K&R. Another bullseye from Tom Tomorrow. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #27
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #47
Locking... Lasher May 2014 #55
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