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baldguy

(36,649 posts)
122. The Clifton Report? Is this a joke?
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:52 PM
May 2013

"Compiled by the editor of ANIMAL PEOPLE from press accounts since 1982......designated by animal control officers or others with evident expertise..."

Not only that DNA testing wasn't really available until 2004, and still isn't widely used for breed identification. Certainly DNA testing was unavailable in 1982. Evidently, the breed was determined by visual clues only, by untrained personnel. The study referenced in this thread proves that visual breed ID is no better than 50/50 chance, even when done by dog experts. And that that "Pit Bulls" are over-represented in visual breed determinations. Any studies based on visual factors are useless.

But the Clifton Report has been widely discredited even before DNA testing has been available:

http://dogbitesinformationandstatistics.blogspot.com/2007/11/wheres-clifton-report.html:

Where's the Clifton Report?

Not here. This site presents factual information about dog bites and dog attacks.

Merritt Clifton’s tabulation of dog bite articles is incomplete, inaccurate and badly edited. Readers have no way to access the original news stories and follow-up articles; breeds of dogs aren’t accurately recorded; and there is a significant discrepancy between press accounts of dog attacks and actual hospital data.

In a single year [1994], for example, at least 6,000 people were hospitalized in the U.S. as a result of dog attacks, according to the CDC. Clifton, by contrast, claims that during the 24-year period covered by his study there were a total of 2,209 “[dog] attacks doing bodily harm” in the U.S. and Canada.


http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2011/09/merritt-clifton-when-the-numbers-just-dont-add-up.html:
While an initial look at Clifton's methodology shows some glaring flaws, the deeper you look at the numbers, the more glaring those flaws become.

In December 2009 the Clifton Report featured 2,694 "attacks doing bodily harm" and 1,493 "Maimings) in the 27 year stretch from 1982 to 2009. There were several "interesting" things about these numbers:

1) Clifton issued a 2006 report that suggested there were 2,209 "attacks doing bodily harm" and 1,323 "maimings". A little math then shows that from 2006-2009, there were 485 'attacks doing bodily harm" and 170 "maimings" -- however, during the same timeframe, showed that the total numbers attributed to 'pit bulls, rottweilers and presa canarios" went up by 509 and 215 respectively - or more than the grand total of all dogs combined. This is, of course, mathematically impossible.

2) While HCUP estimates show that there have been an average of about 7800 hospitalizations (requiring an overnight stay) in the past 16 years, Clifton's study only included less than 100 per year -- or about 1% of the total hospitalizations -- and because he relies primarily on media reports for his information (and not, say, hospital reports), his numbers are statistically not representative. Now, Clifton will say that his study isn't meant to be all inclusive, but only cover the "worst of the worst", he is basing which incidents to include off of media report information. It seems like it would be impossible to decide which incidents to include, and which ones to not include, based on media reports on the injuries, and impossible to assume that every, or even most, major attacks are covered by the media.


Not to mention that there are no dog experts or veterinary professionals anywhere that reference Merritt Clifton. Why don't you try the people that know the relevant law, medicine & canine behavior - the Humane Society of the United States, the American Veterinary Association, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Kennel Club, the American Bar Association, and the National Canine Research Council. None of them support BSLs.
I don't know... one_voice May 2013 #1
I hate dogs. Kill them all and let God sort it out. Buzz Clik May 2013 #2
that looks like aboxer to me, they like to hit people and othr dogs in play, hollysmom May 2013 #4
I'd start with the 'humans'. Look what the hell that we have done with this 'place'... eom Purveyor May 2013 #27
I found the Pitbull: reformist2 May 2013 #3
I'll guess 54 but have no clue. A couple I don't think so, but narrowed down to 4. uppityperson May 2013 #5
As I understand it, the best way to determine the pitbull... Buzz Clik May 2013 #6
I think it's dog 58. Just a guess. I'm no expert... n/t truth2power May 2013 #7
That is my guess too. Control-Z May 2013 #31
That's mean! Xithras May 2013 #8
So sick of the damn pit bull posts. n-t Logical May 2013 #9
It's a mission. defacto7 May 2013 #106
#54 krispos42 May 2013 #10
No fair! You didn't dress the pit bull crosses right for a where's the pit cross challenge... pinboy3niner May 2013 #11
You need to get something to help you relax rustydog May 2013 #12
You obviously haven't considered the pit bulls assisting with breast-feeding in Olive Gardens pinboy3niner May 2013 #16
The claim remains pure horseshit. n/t Chan790 May 2013 #17
It's a trick question anyway... defacto7 May 2013 #107
Oh, dog 79 looks a lot like the doggie my daughter adopted from the pound! Lone_Star_Dem May 2013 #13
Has to be 111 because it's so unlikely NV Whino May 2013 #14
No. DevonRex May 2013 #21
Good post. When "pit bull" attacks are reported, more often than not Luminous Animal May 2013 #15
I think this is a trick question! Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #18
My son has one like #8 OriginalGeek May 2013 #19
My first choice was DevonRex May 2013 #20
None of the above. eom rdharma May 2013 #22
Wrong again. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #59
This is the correct answer. eShirl May 2013 #113
58 looks like it has... one_voice May 2013 #23
Dogs rule Zo Zig May 2013 #24
FIND THE PIT BULL!! answers. baldguy May 2013 #25
But I got it right! rdharma May 2013 #28
"Bred to latch on, take down and kill." flvegan May 2013 #29
No. I didn't. rdharma May 2013 #33
Oh goody, a live one. flvegan May 2013 #39
You got it doubly wrong. baldguy May 2013 #30
Riiiiiight! If your family enjoys dog fighting! rdharma May 2013 #35
You saying all families with a pit bull enjoy dog fighting? flvegan May 2013 #40
No, not all. rdharma May 2013 #46
Re-read your post. flvegan May 2013 #53
In modern times Mr. X May 2013 #100
Then all game dogs should be banned. baldguy May 2013 #103
It differs Mr. X May 2013 #121
We don't ignore where the breed originated Scootaloo May 2013 #108
I am owned by one of those vicious German Shepherds FloridaJudy May 2013 #124
One of the most aggressive dogs I've walked was an intact male Puggle. smokey nj May 2013 #130
No dog is suited for an irresponsible owner Scootaloo May 2013 #109
Very interesting breakdown of mixes, thank you. I ruled out the basset, never guessed chow and sprin uppityperson May 2013 #36
wow. excellent. Thanks. robinlynne May 2013 #81
What was the breed identification methodology? XemaSab May 2013 #99
As simple as it says: "We conducted a national survey of dog experts..." baldguy May 2013 #101
Did they use the blood test or the saliva test? XemaSab May 2013 #102
Both can be used to test DNA. Why should it matter? baldguy May 2013 #105
The saliva test is unreliable XemaSab May 2013 #110
"The saliva test is unreliable". On what basis do you make that claim? baldguy May 2013 #116
Try this one on: XemaSab May 2013 #125
So, your objection to the DNA testing is based on a CYA disclaimer on a retailers web store? baldguy May 2013 #136
"an average accuracy of 84% in first-generation crossbred dogs of known parentage" XemaSab May 2013 #146
Um...you do understand that 84% is higher than 43%? baldguy May 2013 #147
Right. You got nothing. baldguy May 2013 #150
I'm apparently as bad at this as everyone else Scootaloo May 2013 #104
Wow! GoCubsGo May 2013 #123
Aren't the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier two different types, blueamy66 May 2013 #129
25% of a particular breed is considered "predominant". baldguy May 2013 #134
But, the AmStaff isn't a pit bull, correct? blueamy66 May 2013 #135
. baldguy May 2013 #138
Whatever blueamy66 May 2013 #140
DU has been talking about this for 2 weeks, & there are literally a million web sites on the subject baldguy May 2013 #141
Okay blueamy66 May 2013 #142
An hour is up, I'm going to bed. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #26
I bet he's going to tell us they all have pitbull in them. Baitball Blogger May 2013 #32
Hey baldguy, oddly enough flvegan May 2013 #34
Yeah, funny that. baldguy May 2013 #37
This works just the same as you trying to figure out what an assault weapon is. CokeMachine May 2013 #54
. baldguy May 2013 #70
No "Pit Bulls" shown........... rdharma May 2013 #38
You again? flvegan May 2013 #41
Look at post #22 rdharma May 2013 #49
Being wrong is easy. Occulus May 2013 #139
No, there isn't! rdharma May 2013 #143
The last one shown above. Dog #111. Occulus May 2013 #145
Oh, brother! rdharma May 2013 #148
Not odd at all. They are typical Americans, living in terror of the extremely unlikely Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #57
Hm. Good post. flvegan May 2013 #85
Put them in a room with somebody and see which one mauls the person to death Orrex May 2013 #42
^^^ Doesn't know shit about dogs. n/t flvegan May 2013 #43
^^^Posts as though he knows a great deal more than he does. n/t Orrex May 2013 #45
^^^ Clueless, and should prove up his claim or shut up. n/t flvegan May 2013 #48
^^^Doesn't know what "n/t" means Orrex May 2013 #50
^^^ Has nothing to add, proves my point in reference to clueless. n/t flvegan May 2013 #52
^^^Thinks PETA is a serious organization but calls me clueless Orrex May 2013 #56
^^^ Can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. n/t flvegan May 2013 #60
^^^Takes the bait every single time but thinks I'm clueless Orrex May 2013 #62
^^^ STILL can't properly argue a point. Is laughable at best. n/t flvegan May 2013 #66
^^^Hook, line & sinker every single time Orrex May 2013 #68
^^^ Reaffirmation of cluelessness. Address what you said, please. n/t flvegan May 2013 #71
^^^How do you keep a pit bull apologist in suspense? Orrex May 2013 #73
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #77
^^^How do you keep a pit bull apologist in suspense? Orrex May 2013 #78
^^^ I just happend on this thread... pinboy3niner May 2013 #82
Hold my beer and watch this ^<^><^>^<^>^<>^<^ TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #114
I think the poster has proven that they're clueless. baldguy May 2013 #51
Not the first time on this topic, sadly. flvegan May 2013 #55
How about this definition: ozone_man May 2013 #153
Anything with four legs & a tail, huh? baldguy May 2013 #47
Lmao!!! darkangel218 May 2013 #84
Oh crap! I have pit bull! Gormy Cuss May 2013 #87
. LWolf May 2013 #115
DUzy! Not this post but the whole slap fight following. nolabear May 2013 #83
Dog 58. n/t RebelOne May 2013 #44
No pit bulls above......... rdharma May 2013 #58
Again, you? flvegan May 2013 #61
Again....... I got the "trick question" correct! rdharma May 2013 #65
See post #64. No need to tell you twice. n/t flvegan May 2013 #72
Hate to tell you, but posting stupid twice doesn't make it any less stupid. baldguy May 2013 #64
baldguy with the bigtime win! LOL!!!! flvegan May 2013 #67
So why are you posting multiple times trying to defend your OP? rdharma May 2013 #69
Because it's defenseless, like those poor, sweet, cuddly pit bulls Orrex May 2013 #75
If you've seen one pit bull, you've seen a maul Orrex May 2013 #63
^^^^ unblock May 2013 #126
Your logic makes no sense. Courtesy Flush May 2013 #74
Can you spell FLAMEBAIT? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #76
There are 24 dogs that are part American Staffordshire Terrier or Staffordshire Bull Terrier baldguy May 2013 #80
I didn't incorrectly identify! rdharma May 2013 #89
Three times. baldguy May 2013 #90
Three times correct! rdharma May 2013 #92
58 89 111 Politicalboi May 2013 #79
Instead... deathrind May 2013 #86
Pit Bulls don't harm people with any greater frequency than other dogs do. baldguy May 2013 #88
Show me the data. deathrind May 2013 #91
What happened with the "Find the Pit Bull" game? rdharma May 2013 #93
It's been done. baldguy May 2013 #94
No! Don't need guard dogs. rdharma May 2013 #95
You are the one... deathrind May 2013 #97
You're the one saying they are more dangerous. baldguy May 2013 #98
Look at the numbers. deathrind May 2013 #117
The Clifton Report? Is this a joke? baldguy May 2013 #122
Curse you! Ohio Joe May 2013 #96
pit bull defenders are no different than the gun fetishists bowens43 May 2013 #111
You finally drove me over the edge. I would never say this under ordinary circumstances. randome May 2013 #112
if a dog shows a propensity for agression (breed) or actual agression, destroy it galileoreloaded May 2013 #118
GD has really gone to the dogs. marmar May 2013 #119
It's the pits, man. randome May 2013 #120
that's bull, dawg! unblock May 2013 #127
I think it is safe to say that baldguy is putting on the dog, at the very least. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #132
I don't know what a pit bull looks like, but Dog 89 looks like the curr that micturated on my boots. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #128
#54. Jazzgirl May 2013 #131
Wikipedia's BSL page whatchamacallit May 2013 #133
I don't have a dog in this fight (mine's a Sheltie), but 1. that's a Wikipedia page ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #152
Found it. NCTraveler May 2013 #137
K&R DainBramaged May 2013 #144
8 & 58?? LiberalElite May 2013 #149
solution Trajan May 2013 #151
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