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Emrys

(7,290 posts)
26. Ridiculous stance.
Sun Mar 10, 2024, 01:53 AM
Mar 10

It's as if you blank out how the Russians have treated any Ukrainians in areas of Ukraine they've seized.

If you think capitulation is going to save Ukrainian lives, in the short, medium or long term, then you need to spend less time kidding yourself that you're better informed than many of us, and some more time reminding yourself of what they've done where they've managed to occupy territory, say Bucha for one example, and listening to what Putin and his cronies have in mind for Ukraine and its people, then for more countries and people sweeping west. They're saying it out loud with visual aids, so it's not hard to pick up the gist. That future brings subjugation with all the grisliness that entails, gathering those that haven't yet been killed to add to his own forces to top up the numbers lost by his cavalier tactics to perpetuate the imperial war he intends to wage.

Last time I challenged you on your mysterious magical "in the know" sources of intel, all you had to offer was a string of MSM links all singing off the same songsheet - oh noes, the Ukrainians' drones are dropping out of the sky left, right and centre because the Russians have deployed EW countermeasures. It was the night before Christmas, so I had better things to do than try to correct your misconceptions and repeat myself by pointing out that those EW installations were nothing new, were not always effective, sometimes backfired and stopped the Russians' own drones deploying as intended, and were handily mirrored by Ukraine's own EW efforts. Guess which side's looking like it's gained the upper hand in that field in the intervening period?

Meanwhile, the Russians aren't daring to deploy their ships beyond the Sea of Azov for fear they'll get sunk, and they've cut right back on their flights anywhere near Ukrainian airspace because their planes are getting blown out of the sky with quite some regularity. At the same time, Ukraine is paring away methodically at various facilities in Crimea and attacks on militarily significant locations in Russia itself are practically daily occurrences.

The Russians, rather than having the inexaustible supply of raw troops you seem to envisage, having seemingly exhausted their supply of deperate convicted criminals, are being driven to trick gullible people from India and Africa into signing up for visas, only to be shipped off to the front, usually to die within days. Doesn't seem like the actions of a country that has a handle on replenishing its cannon fodder, does it?

As for Ukraine, it's not so much that younger people are avoiding enlistment, it's that Ukraine's mobilization was always planned to take place in stages, with the younger militarily inexperienced cohort held back till the final stages if needed - those plans have been published, so they're no secret. That's why the age averages have been rising, but the journos you seem to rely on either don't know it or are deliberately misleading people.

But go ahead and fixate on the minor land gains Russia's made in already devastated towns and villages if it makes you feel more in the know. We'll see how that pans out when Ukraine finally has enough firepower to make a show of it, which shouldn't be long now.

WTF? Sorry, Pope, focus on your own end days and don't create them for other people. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 10 #1
Something like... 2naSalit Mar 10 #5
Zelensky has asked the Pope to get out of his "lane". former9thward Mar 10 #25
There are words. . .but most of them would net me a visit from the suits. niyad Mar 10 #2
This may be his logic... WarGamer Mar 10 #4
That's pretty much where I am, although the withholding of funds is criminal. Silent Type Mar 10 #9
An essential part of any deal MUST be NATO membership. WarGamer Mar 10 #21
Good point. I have no idea how to negotiate a deal, but we seem to have good appointees for that. Silent Type Mar 10 #24
And we know that is not happening before Russia's AGGRESSION is halted. BootinUp Mar 10 #51
Then why in the F'n HELL isn't he talking to the murdering monster niyad Mar 10 #11
Till the last Orc orangecrush Mar 10 #17
Russia has more ORC's than Ukraine has young men... WarGamer Mar 10 #18
American technology is a great equalizer orangecrush Mar 10 #19
As of today... not really. WarGamer Mar 10 #20
I wonder if Russian widows orangecrush Mar 10 #23
How many of them actually know that they ARE widows? niyad Mar 10 #36
Good point. orangecrush Mar 10 #62
Ridiculous stance. Emrys Mar 10 #26
I challenge you... in a friendly manner... WarGamer Mar 10 #33
Ukraine will lose only if MAGA Republicans cut off U.S. aid - Max Boot BootinUp Mar 10 #37
It's a good article but doesn't face the question of defining victory... WarGamer Mar 10 #39
I don't think you remember it. Nor does it seem you even read the excerpt above. BootinUp Mar 10 #40
Boot says exactly what I just said... WarGamer Mar 10 #43
Your definition is bullshit. The only definition that matters is when Russia stops attacking. Stops driving BootinUp Mar 10 #46
I don't call myself "Wargamer". I'm not a military strategist, never claimed or pretended to be one. Emrys Mar 10 #42
Thanks for the reply! WarGamer Mar 10 #44
I suspect that if Putin tried dragging Belarus even further into the conflict, Lukashenko would be toast Emrys Mar 10 #45
I hear ya... WarGamer Mar 10 #47
Well then, I think we're back to the early days of the invasion, Emrys Mar 10 #48
Great points. OnDoutside Mar 10 #50
Eric Price of Blackwater just said this: womanofthehills Mar 10 #56
It's Erik Prince, not Eric Price, and he made his fortune out of running mercenaries Emrys Mar 10 #65
It's amazing how confident you are blathering about the Russian invasion... thebigidea Mar 11 #73
I was 100% wrong about the initial invasion... WarGamer Mar 11 #74
The best thing we can do for the Russian people is..... OAITW r.2.0 Mar 10 #29
Somebody needs to end that murdering monster NOW! niyad Mar 10 #32
Easy to say, for the Pope. He should probably stay out of it as he's not losing... brush Mar 10 #3
Last time I checked... 2naSalit Mar 10 #7
Sorry Pope but Cha Mar 10 #6
What part did the Catholic Church play with Hitler? LiberalFighter Mar 10 #8
Exactly. niyad Mar 10 #10
Putting pressure on Ukraine is entirely pointless. It ignores THE FACT BootinUp Mar 10 #12
I have a friend from Ukraine...he told me he doesn't care about the eastern Ukrainians Wanderlust988 Mar 10 #13
Without a NATO security guarantee any agreement would be worthless BeyondGeography Mar 10 #14
Welcome to DU orangecrush Mar 10 #16
Member since: Sun Mar 22, 2020 Polybius Mar 10 #22
+1. No expert, but that's what I have heard. Read a bit more, looks like Silent Type Mar 10 #28
That's what a lot of people here don't understand. Xolodno Mar 10 #70
If Putin wins here.... Happy Hoosier Mar 10 #60
And people in hell orangecrush Mar 10 #15
WHAT?????????? calimary Mar 10 #27
Why doesn't HE drag his bloated ass out into eastern Ukraine with a white flag RockRaven Mar 10 #30
France 1940? Dirty Socialist Mar 10 #31
The "progressive" pope Plectranthus Mar 10 #34
Funny that the yahoo article made no reference to frankie's support for niyad Mar 10 #35
Something is rotten in the Vatican and I don't know who or why. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 10 #38
F$ck no DC77 Mar 10 #41
The simple fact here is the Roman Catholic Church knows they hold little sway over Russia. herding cats Mar 10 #49
Why would the Russian Orthodox Church give a rats ass about the Pope? Xolodno Mar 10 #67
Pope Francis has blinders on. no_hypocrisy Mar 10 #52
To be generous, the Pope is simply naive. n/t elocs Mar 10 #53
Would he wave the white flag if someone invaded the Vatican? Generic Brad Mar 10 #54
Exactly. The church would never tolerate any encroachment on their sovereignty. Irish_Dem Mar 10 #57
I'm willing to bet orangecrush Mar 10 #63
Hopefully we will get some clarification. Irish_Dem Mar 10 #64
Russia gtfo including crimea. and cough up 10 million for every dead Ukr. bullimiami Mar 10 #55
A victory for Russia's campaign of state sponsored terrorism then ck4829 Mar 10 #58
This a call to condemn Ukrainians... Happy Hoosier Mar 10 #59
There's a capitulation view from some here. BannonsLiver Mar 10 #61
I'm not really sure what he meant. maxsolomon Mar 10 #66
Theologian, not a military strategist Bucky Mar 10 #68
Personally, I don't see this war ending anytime soon. Xolodno Mar 10 #69
I have a solution: give the Vatican to Russia. Goodheart Mar 10 #71
what??? BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 10 #72
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