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15. Ukrainian history is complex... and some might not like it.

Tue Jun 6, 2023, 02:57 PM

Jun 2023

I don't have time for a long post but in summary...

Ukrainians do have a history of far right politics and yes, even Nazi collaboration.

Look up Stepan Bandera who is still revered in Ukraine today, particularly by Azov Battalion.

But Ukrainian far right politics is based in a hatred of Russia and Communism.

So I'd call it "Convenient Neo-Nazis"

They aren't really Nazis... but they like to poke the eye of the Bear by playing Nazis.

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NBC - German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers [View all] AntivaxHunters Jun 2023 OP

So Zelensky is a Nazi? Kingofalldems Jun 2023 #1

I wouldn't go that far AntivaxHunters Jun 2023 #2

Should we give up and give in to Putin? Kingofalldems Jun 2023 #5

I don't think anyone is saying that. Xolodno Jun 2023 #10

Actually, a number of folks are saying exactly that. yardwork Jun 2023 #39

I don't see it that way. Xolodno Jun 2023 #47

Post removed Post removed Jun 2023 #49

If you're going off of any armed force in the world who might have a bigot or two in their ranks... Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #48

you do realize that your OP article is from 2014? Celerity Jun 2023 #58

Not a good effort, at all. What is their purpose, to buck up Putin? marble falls Jun 2023 #3

To demonstrate their purity and innocence. n/t Igel Jun 2023 #50

He leans authoritarian, imo. Not a Nazi, though. Oneironaut Jun 2023 #55

Wow. All of two pictures. Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #4

Yeah, what a game changer, huh? Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #21

It is a definite minority SCantiGOP Jun 2023 #6

And THIS... is the correct answer. WarGamer Jun 2023 #19

AZOV battalion in the far east is a militia group blm Jun 2023 #7

Exactly! It is well known these volunteer forces are not under the command of UKR and do not PortTack Jun 2023 #11

Of course they are commanded by the UAF. WarGamer Jun 2023 #17

It later was incorporated into the National Guard and earlier this year was expanded into a full WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2023 #18

Azov gonna Azov. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2023 #8

How odd. Of the 24 million Soviet dead in WW2, 1/3 were Ukrainian . . . Journeyman Jun 2023 #9

Ahem: US marines in fresh controversy over sniper team photo with Nazi SS flag hlthe2b Jun 2023 #12

Truth. Kingofalldems Jun 2023 #13

More than 10 years old and they were disciplined. WarGamer Jun 2023 #16

Yes but that does not negate the point. Our military has had problem with Nazis & White Nationalists hlthe2b Jun 2023 #20

I wouldn't compare the two based on history. WarGamer Jun 2023 #22

I wouldn't condone spreading Putin propaganda either. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #23

How is speaking about historically accurate FACTS propaganda? WarGamer Jun 2023 #26

You are implying the entire Ukrainian military is full of NAZIs TODAY. Reread your posts. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #28

No I didn't. WarGamer Jun 2023 #31

It's not and the b&w view that you TheProle Jun 2023 #53

Because it's only a subset of the facts. Igel Jun 2023 #54

2 very large caveats: (A) the OP article is from.......... Sept. 9, 2014, 2:07 PM CEST Celerity Jun 2023 #59

Nazis are everywhere. yardwork Jun 2023 #14

Ukrainian history is complex... and some might not like it. WarGamer Jun 2023 #15

So is OUR history. And we DO have a problem with Nazis and White Nationalists in OUR US hlthe2b Jun 2023 #24

if half the 101st Airborne had neo-nazi tattoos... or wore Nazi regalia... WarGamer Jun 2023 #25

How do you know how widespread it is after Trump? I do have faith that it is being addressed. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #27

No one said or implied that the UAF is full of Nazis. WarGamer Jun 2023 #29

Shit. General George Patton sympathized with everything the Nazis represented, Aristus Jun 2023 #30

It is a Misleading Propaganda-BOMB hlthe2b Jun 2023 #32

DU doesn't facilitate anything. WarGamer Jun 2023 #33

Look up the term dissemination. It does not have a threshold. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #34

I added another sentence. WarGamer Jun 2023 #37

That happens with appropriate context. Not posting two photos to leave a misleading impression. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #40

I think some of us have clarified the photo. WarGamer Jun 2023 #42

Yes hlthe2b Jun 2023 #44

thanks! We're all on the same side here... WarGamer Jun 2023 #45

It's getting soundly ratioed. yardwork Jun 2023 #35

That is my hope. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #38

I don't really see any evidence it's a larger problem or concern. Torchlight Jun 2023 #36

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) sarisataka Jun 2023 #41

The NYT has a different take quaker bill Jun 2023 #43

This is one battalion of nationalists, not the entire Ukraine army Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #46

Any comment yet from Roger Waters? IcyPeas Jun 2023 #51

Article is from 2014. moondust Jun 2023 #52

Thank you for pointing that out. Blaukraut Jun 2023 #56

My pleasure obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #62

+1 Celerity Jun 2023 #60

Yup obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #63

This is from nine years ago obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #57

Tankies are everywhere... Happy Hoosier Jun 2023 #61

This has rapidly become a pet peeve about this place JonAndKatePlusABird Jun 2023 #64

This posts seems to be an anti Ukraine troll ripcord Jun 2023 #65