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16. because reality
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:26 AM
Nov 2021

If they were so ready to vote for the bill, why didn't it get ratified ages ago? All the negotiations have been with Manchin and, to a lesser degree, Sinema. That is, unless you think Biden secretly wanted to strip out all corporate tax increases, paid family leave, climate change provisions, drug pricing reform, and so on, and just needed convenient scapegoats.
Also, it's not just Manchin and Sinema, though they are clearly the face of the opposition. These Dems have also come out against elements of BBB, most notably drug pricing (Gottheimer is particularly vocal on a number of issues):

Kathleen Rice of New York
Scott Peters of California
Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey
Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia
Filemon Vela of Texas
Henry Cuellar of Texas
Ed Case of Hawaii
Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Jared Golden of Maine
Vicente Gonzalez of Texas
Jim Costa of California

The progressives in the House were fighting FOR the BBB bill and were holding up the BIF to increase pressure to get them BOTH passed. This is incredibly old news. The White House and Pelosi all agreed and came out insisting they would pass them together. Then Biden's numbers began tanking and inflation came roaring into the picture, so they abandoned their promise and pressured Jayapal to get on board and get BIF passed. The hope was clearly to turn around the news cycle and have something to campaign on in 2022.

If Manchin and Sinema hadn't obstructed BBB passage, do you think we would be where we are today? Do you genuinely think that the progressive caucus would still be blocking the BBB act by blocking BIF right now?

This has all been going on for MONTHS and everyone knows who the real roadblocks are and who is fighting for the 99%. Let's not pretend otherwise.

All Recs and No Kicks Make Jack a Dull Boy American Interregnum Nov 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #5
Point chin! dchill Nov 2021 #15
Thanks for making sure the OP got a kick.We cover a lot of time zones at DU, & it went up before 5am Hekate Nov 2021 #22
Too bad manchin and sinema aren't in the house mucifer Nov 2021 #2
Manchin and Sinema are not blocking a vote in the House, and we should be reminded.... George II Nov 2021 #4
One more time, and it's really simple, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #11
Bills should be voted on individually. The House did what it SHOULD have done oldsoftie Nov 2021 #30
Wrong. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #31
Oh, they will pass the bill...with the right sugar... TiberiusB Nov 2021 #32
I'm looking towards the '22 elections. And it isnt looking good. oldsoftie Nov 2021 #34
Uh, no TiberiusB Nov 2021 #33
Bad choice of words. "EVERYTHING" should never be used when referring to ANY bill! oldsoftie Nov 2021 #35
Because they are the ones obstructing progress. Gore1FL Nov 2021 #13
because reality TiberiusB Nov 2021 #16
I heard it was 50 GOP Senators blocking BBB. DiamondShark Nov 2021 #25
Why is this a problem? gab13by13 Nov 2021 #3
Not that simple at all unfortunately, as I have warned for ages. Celerity Nov 2021 #20
Exactly TiberiusB Nov 2021 #27
Thank you Madam Speaker mcar Nov 2021 #6
Yes! Go get 'em, Nancy! lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #8
IOW: Let's stop pissing around. triron Nov 2021 #9
Not sure if the matters since Manchin/Sinema will hold it up in senate. Nt helpisontheway Nov 2021 #10
It matters, because it needs to be made crystal-clear FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #12
No pumpkin pie for you! And you and you and you... Ilsa Nov 2021 #14
This is peer pressure at its finest FakeNoose Nov 2021 #17
What the actual fuck, I thought it was already fucking signed. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #18
That was the bipartisan infrastructure bill. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #19
Nancy Pelosi rocks Hekate Nov 2021 #21
Do your work or no dinner. Love it. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #23
There is a reason Nancy Pelosi is our most successful House leader ever. BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #24
A Promised Land lakercub Nov 2021 #26
Tough RayStar Nov 2021 #28
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2021 #29
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