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In reply to the discussion: The defund the police talk needs to stop [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(145,723 posts)216. Again you are wrong
Here is a thoughtful analysis that focuses on the content of the ads and show that negative ads are very effective. The GOP was more effective in using negative ads and the Democratic candidates focused on the wrong issues https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/27/can-democrats-avoid-pitfalls-2020-new-analysis-offers-striking-answers/
The analysis also finds that Republicans spent a lot more money on casting Democrats as extremists than Democrats did in making the case against Republican extremism.
Democrats, of course, lost a net dozen House seats, underperforming victorious Joe Biden all over the place. The findings suggest Democrats need a rethink of their approach to those conundrums, the analysts conclude.
This is also more pressing now that Republicans are radicalizing in a way that poses a threat to future democratic stability, raising questions about how Democrats can highlight this to the public.
The study by Way to Win a group distinguished by its big expenditures on turning out the Democratic base attempts a comprehensive look at all the TV ads that ran in House races in the 2020 cycle. Some findings:
Jenifer Fernandez Ancona, the vice president of Way to Win, said that, in sum, Democrats in 2020 sent mixed messages: They touted their willingness to work with Republicans, even as Republicans called them socialists and extremists.
Democrats, of course, lost a net dozen House seats, underperforming victorious Joe Biden all over the place. The findings suggest Democrats need a rethink of their approach to those conundrums, the analysts conclude.
This is also more pressing now that Republicans are radicalizing in a way that poses a threat to future democratic stability, raising questions about how Democrats can highlight this to the public.
The study by Way to Win a group distinguished by its big expenditures on turning out the Democratic base attempts a comprehensive look at all the TV ads that ran in House races in the 2020 cycle. Some findings:
Democrats spent three times more than Republicans on ads that touted bipartisan outreach. Democrats spent $21.8 million on ads about bipartisanship or working across the aisle, while Republicans spent $6.2 million on them.
Democrats spent six times as much on positive ads than Republicans did. Democrats spent $18.6 million on positive ads that also happened to mention Republicans (say, by touting the ability to work with them), while Republicans spent $2.9 million on positive ads mentioning Democrats.
Republicans spent more than 10 times more on ads with the words extremist and radical than Democrats did. Republicans spent $51 million on such ads, while Democrats spent $3.4 million.
Overall, Republicans spent more than $87 million on ads with one or more of the following words in it: AOC, Ocasio, Pelosi, socialism, socialist, defund, radical, extremist, extreme.
GOP ads were more likely to use words with emotional punch, such as taxes, radical and jobs, while Democratic ads featured words like insurance, voted and work.
Jenifer Fernandez Ancona, the vice president of Way to Win, said that, in sum, Democrats in 2020 sent mixed messages: They touted their willingness to work with Republicans, even as Republicans called them socialists and extremists.
Negative ads such defund the police and socialism work and the GOP focused on these ads instead of more positive ads. Defund the police was a very effective line of attack according to the other polling on this thread
The GOP has already started running these ads
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The competitive districts we won in 2018 (and lost some of in 2020) are in the suburbs.
brooklynite
Aug 2021
#234
President Biden had been working on stopping eviction since June 29 as soon as the Supreme....
George II
Aug 2021
#166
You really think that if Cori Bush never says anything again, Republicans won't smear Democrats?
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#19
The only way to "avoid helping them" would be to say only things they agree with.
WhiskeyGrinder
Aug 2021
#34
Yep. There are a lot in the party who simply cannot divest themselves of the idea that the best way
WhiskeyGrinder
Aug 2021
#46
Still waiting to hear someone here insist that purple state Democrats lay off the
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#50
I had two friends run for state house in 2020 and they had the moronic defund the police ad used
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#207
I am really curious as wo why defund the police is such a sacred cow to some
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#235
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 OMFG people need to stop blaming horrible messaging on the outcries of oppressed
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#70
Then its bad campaigning to allow an opponent to frame the debate with an non issue. There's
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#118
Again, you have no proof DTP was democrats message in 2020. It wasn't and if you're under the
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#124
Link and quote the polls that claim DTP was the DEFINING reason we lost. We're "hurt" by anything
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#154
This statement is so very easy to make into an attack ad that it is sad
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#205
So you're someone who advocates silencing Black women at this time in history.
intheflow
Aug 2021
#30
cause GQP wont demonize that message also ?! REALLY, do you see what they're doing with CRT ?!
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#76
I'm someone who advocates winning elections, and criticizing stupid political mantras...
brooklynite
Aug 2021
#38
If a "mantra" democratic party doesn't ascribe to beats us then its not the mantra's fault its ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#104
So all of the good Democratic candidates who lost in 2020 due to this moronic slogan are bad dems?
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#213
Am I also "silencing Black women" when I criticize the comments of Nina Turner?
brooklynite
Aug 2021
#40
Unreasonable projection. What's being call upon is to stop bad messaging from ALL Democrats...
George II
Aug 2021
#172
But this is not an issue of "silencing Black women", either now or any time in history.....
George II
Aug 2021
#199
Cori Bush represents dems more than MTG represents the GQP ?! REALLY !? WOW !! If that's ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#68
Enough democrats talked about it before the election that it's still a talking point for the right.
calguy
Aug 2021
#7
"some dems" like 3!? They define the whole party !? and if the party is allowing them to do such ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#66
Then folks should direct the complaint at them, not at individuals who aren't even bringing it up
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#146
Our message permeates the M$M correct ?! I mean, come on people we need to focus on the real ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#153
Run and don't say anything less it be used against us which is bad politicing
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#197
Of course democrats "talked about it" that doesn't mean people agreed with it as policy !! OMG, the
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#65
Again, do you ever tire of being wrong-here are some more facts that show that you are wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#215
Cori Bush has been on MSNBC more than once, CNN, CBS News, and others and in each appearance....
George II
Aug 2021
#170
There are many voters who go into campaigns undecided that might, or there are some who....
George II
Aug 2021
#178
Anybody that flaky and undecided can't be trusted to base our messaging and outreach on
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#183
Be that as it may, the American voting public is what it is, flaky or not....
George II
Aug 2021
#200
Bet you five dollars someone's going to whine about that AOC article being from last year
betsuni
Aug 2021
#173
Yes, they try to make AOC the face of the party. But not because of anything she says
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#90
This is false, we have a strong enough message where DTP distraction doesn't matter right ?!?!
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#105
So no one speaking about DTP will stop repukes from painting her as the face of the party?!
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#89
We are fortunate that the OH11 is showing that left wing twitter does not reflect the party
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#217
In case some object to the NY Post, here's another source from earlier last year:
George II
Aug 2021
#174
But just last week it was a major media statement & even gave the GOP their talking points.
Budi
Aug 2021
#18
GQP works OPENLY against the constitution and democracy and we give a shit about a slogan ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#62
Then that's the fault of democratic party messaging and not the outcry of the oppressed. Dems need
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#77
No that's the fault of those who repeat the slogan with Zero definition.Don't even lay this bs on...
Budi
Aug 2021
#88
EMPIRICALLY WRONG !!! Dems who defined themselves on DTP WON in 2020 those who ran and didn't
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#95
Link and quote any evidence of such, I'm not talking about the words of people we respect ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#110
Link and quote dem party LEADERS who "pushed the half backed ... idea"?! Or are you agree with RWTP
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#121
DTP was loudly denounced by dem party leaders especially Biden, come on people stop falling
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#155
Again it would help if you would work in a real campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#219
No it wasn't, Dem leadership ... DID ... define the party on the issue. Is everyone listening to ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#163
Means the people who are oppressed came up with it, where do ***YOU*** think DTP came from?
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#179
Yeah, the media works against us, so we should work harder to counter their message, but we don't.
CrispyQ
Aug 2021
#150
Who is talking about "defund the police" ... other than a few people who will be lightning rods
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#15
"That's an excuse and a diversion." 👈🏾👈🏾👈🏾 THIS!! Dems have weak assed messages that don't ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#114
Oh, NO! Not the ADS!!! Well, then, I guess we're just doomed, aren't we?
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#231
If a candidate somewhere in middle America loses their race because Cori Bush answered a question
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#56
Cori Bush talking about Defund the Police does not make every other Democrat look like an anarchist
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#47
So obviously, other Dems using the term does not necessarily hurt all other Dems
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#83
No it didn't, there's no polling proof DTP was a ***DECIDING*** factor in split districts in 20
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#128
Dems oppose DTP completely and need to say so in proportion to Republican lies against us
gulliver
Aug 2021
#35
... or getting a message that overrides any negative affects from the outcries of the oppressed?!
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#87
No. The people who accept the right wing Republican frame and tone police
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#53
+1, only 64% of democrats think voter suppression is a major issue (link) because democratic ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#81
It's a dumb slogan that is getting much more oxygen and exposure because Dems keep making a big deal
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#54
EXACTLY !!! A line in the 2nd post mortem report say nearly same thing word for word ...
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#99
That is your uninformed opinion. I trust the exit and other polling and the DNC autopsy
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#241
Exclusive poll finds Detroit residents far more worried about public safety than police reform
brooklynite
Aug 2021
#48
How is the outcry of the oppressed overriding dem message against GQP treason? tia
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#82
Just overheard, I think it was Malcolm Nance on a Maher HBO repeat show, say,
empedocles
Aug 2021
#85
Not too long ago I had a Trumper ask me if I was was worried about Democrats defunding
GoodRaisin
Aug 2021
#100
"It is the military weaponry used to herd protesters that swell their coffers."
Jedi Guy
Aug 2021
#203
Thank you. Thought that was the case but couldn't remember the name of the program.
betsuni
Aug 2021
#211
I think this "Defund the Police" label was successfully attached to us a long time ago.
Calista241
Aug 2021
#109
Agree for the most part. It was launched by the Dem left, who, with a lot of rw help,
empedocles
Aug 2021
#112
No it was not "launched by dem left" that's another RWTP straight from FAUX news itself
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#127
WTF ?! DTP will cost us more than voter denial and nullification ?! ... shit, no wonder only 64%
uponit7771
Aug 2021
#116
Again, you are still wrong. Here is some polling that shows that you wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2021
#227
I totally agree. With that catchy, little phrase we've gifted the GOP with a meme to take
Vinca
Aug 2021
#111
The people who think Democrats must forever play defense are bad at politics
Sympthsical
Aug 2021
#119
If Democrats stopped insisting that people stop talking about DTP, that would substantially reduce
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#148
Let's ban every Democratic politician in America from.ever saying anything the GOP can use against
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#157
No actual Democratic politicians are talking about it are they? Some populist outliers ...
Hekate
Aug 2021
#169
They're unpopular, but can you point to instances where they're told to stop talking
StarfishSaver
Aug 2021
#186
I'm a solid and liberal dem for years and that phrase WILL KILL US AT SOME POINT
Captain Zero
Aug 2021
#251