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Coventina

(27,120 posts)
Mon Jun 14, 2021, 02:22 PM Jun 2021

How Low Can America's Birth Rate Go Before It's A Problem? [View all]

I found this article to be amusing, particularly the last paragraph copied here. Yeah, human extinction is a real threat right about now.

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The U.S. fertility rate hit a record low in 2020 — just as it did in 2019, and 2018. Although the COVID-19 pandemic seems to have accelerated this decline, the drop has been underway for years. The total fertility rate — the average number of children a woman is expected to have over her lifetime — now sits at 1.64 children per woman in the U.S. Not only is this the lowest rate recorded since the government began tracking these stats in the 1930s, but it’s well below the so-called “replacement-level fertility” of about 2.1.

The latter number is what social scientists and policymakers have long regarded as the rate a country should maintain to keep population numbers stable. When the fertility rate falls below replacement level, the population grows older and shrinks, which can slow economic growth and strain government budgets. Today’s babies are tomorrow’s workers and taxpayers: They’ll not only staff the hospitals and nursing homes we’ll use in old age but also sustain the economy by funding our pensions when we retire, paying the taxes that finance Social Security, Medicare, and many other government programs we’ll rely on, and buying the homes and stocks we invested in to build our savings.

But recently, some experts have questioned whether we ought to be so concerned about low fertility. “There’s nothing really magical about replacement-level fertility,” said Erich Striessnig, a professor of demography and sustainable development at the University of Vienna. There are ways to overcome the challenges of low fertility, but it’ll take an investment in the people who have been born already.

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Others point out that the problems of low fertility may get thornier when the overall size of the population begins to shrink. “What happens to mortgages in a country where real estate depreciates like a used car because the population is falling and we need fewer and fewer houses all the time? We’re totally unprepared for that,” said Lyman Stone, a demographer and research fellow at the Institute for Family Studies, a conservative-leaning think tank. And given enough time, said Dr. Christopher Murray, director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, below-replacement fertility leads to the extinction of the human race. “Eventually, you run into a problem,” he said. “It’s not a sustainable solution.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-low-can-americas-birth-rate-go-before-its-a-problem/

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Somehow, I don't think this should be at the top of our worry list.
And if we do go extinct somehow along the road, all the better for the rest of the planet.



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Here's my take on this, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2021 #1
Exactly. If only white people count, then you might not notice the world population is lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #20
Agree totally with your last sentence! PortTack Jun 2021 #2
Like it's always been the case since... the 17th-18th-19th-20th Century. Justice matters. Jun 2021 #5
gee, if only there were some other way to increase the number of young Americans! Orangepeel Jun 2021 #3
I'd like Dr. Murray to show me one bit of research indicating that humans will go extinct Renew Deal Jun 2021 #4
We may go extinct faster... Justice matters. Jun 2021 #6
We may Renew Deal Jun 2021 #7
We are more likely to go extinct from overpopulation than underpopulation. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #23
IKR? Coventina Jun 2021 #10
People have the evolutionary urge to have sex. Klaralven Jun 2021 #34
Since we're overloading the planet at this point gratuitous Jun 2021 #8
At the beginning of WW II, the population was about 40% of what is is currently Klaralven Jun 2021 #9
Good point. I wouldn't even worry until we were back at the level of the so-called "Axis Age" Coventina Jun 2021 #32
I think that a global population of about 200 million would be a good thing Klaralven Jun 2021 #33
How do we get the rest of the world to slow down? Throck Jun 2021 #11
The conservative interviewed in this is literally saying that we should have lots of children Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #12
Earth desn't care about us or any other living thing Kaleva Jun 2021 #15
Maybe not, but we better damn well care about earth. Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #16
To what end? We have no power to control plate activity Kaleva Jun 2021 #26
. Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #31
Hear! Hear! Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #17
Increasing immigration!! Hush your mouth!!! His mama would disown him for saying Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #18
I suspect that if we stay out of wars, etc...... secondwind Jun 2021 #13
The rest of the planet is doomed regardless if humans are present Kaleva Jun 2021 #14
A great many of the species that live on it, at least ... Earth itself will be fine (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #19
They will all go extinct even if humans never existed Kaleva Jun 2021 #27
So your point was "all species are eventually doomed no matter what people do or have done?" Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #28
It matters as long as we can leave this planet Kaleva Jun 2021 #30
I doubt the last of humankind will be worried about home sales Bayard Jun 2021 #21
The birth rate needs to drop even further worldwide. roamer65 Jun 2021 #22
I did my part to ensure the extinction of the species liberaltrucker Jun 2021 #24
Did you maybe slip one past the goalie? Coventina Jun 2021 #25
with growing automation & other factors, there's going to be fewer jobs in the future KG Jun 2021 #29
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