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Celerity

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Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:30 PM Oct 2020

What Liberals Don't Understand About Pro-Trump Latinos [View all]

They all have one very important thing in common.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/trump-latinos-biden-2020/616901/



Abraham Enriquez speaks with the clarity of a levelheaded TV anchor. The 25-year-old Latino from Lubbock, Texas, was the first in his family to be born in the United States, after his grandparents immigrated from Mexico in the 1980s and brought his then-2-year-old mother with them. He visits his family across the border at least once a year for service trips with his grandparents’ church. When we talked recently about the state of American politics, I recognized the air of authority I had heard in clips of his eponymous web show and his public speeches rallying Latinos in Texas to vote—for Donald Trump. Enriquez is one of millions of Latinos who will (or already have) cast a ballot for Trump this year. Nearly a third of Latinos routinely vote for Republicans in American elections, and the Trump campaign’s appeals to them show an understanding of their unique worldview, one rooted in deeply held beliefs about individualism, economic opportunity, and traditional social values. Across nationality, class, immigrant experience, and age, Trump-voting Latinos have one thing in common: a different vision from other Latinos of what it means to be American—and they believe their liberal counterparts and the broader public just don’t understand that.

“It all boils down to understanding that you are in charge of your own kind of predicament,” Enriquez told me. “America, we’re really at the crossroads of either self-governance or being dependent on the government—and Hispanics know very well which decision they need to be making.” Liberals may accuse these Latinos of voting against their own interests, given Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic, attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and restrictions on immigration—all issues that affect millions of Latino lives. But many pro-Trump Latinos told me they simply define their interests differently than their more progressive cousins do. They don’t necessarily feel solidarity with Latinos as a whole, and many identify themselves as American first. (Some reject “Latino” or “Latinx” labels as well.) Many are lifelong Republicans not eager to abandon their party, and Trump’s economy-first message and opposition to abortion rights resonate with them. Democrats shouldn’t be surprised if Trump matches or improves on his 2016 showing among Latinos on November 3, or if their votes help him hold battleground states such as Arizona and Florida. Republican Latinos have always existed, and the Trump campaign has dedicated significant resources to winning over more of the Hispanic community this election cycle.





Election-year conversations tend to flatten voters into stereotypes, but there is no one kind of Latino voter: They aren’t all of Mexican or Cuban descent, nor are they all Catholic or connected by a shared immigrant experience—even though these subgroups dominate national attention. Though 60 to 70 percent vote for Democrats, according to the Pew Research Center, Latinos aren’t a reliably partisan voting bloc and need to be persuaded, in culturally competent ways, to vote. Their differences in national identity, immigrant background, experiences with discrimination, and religious beliefs make Latinos just as complicated as any other demographic group, though they aren’t always portrayed that way. Take immigration, an issue commonly identified as the central Latino priority because many Americans assume that all Latinos hold the same pro-immigration view. The first time Enriquez heard Trump speak about politics was during the future president’s campaign-launch speech in 2015, when he said Mexico was “sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime.” Enriquez told me he could forgive the president’s comments. “I know exactly the status of Mexico, and how crime has completely just taken over the beautiful country that is Mexico.

So when President Trump was talking about what Mexico is sending, I immediately knew—I understood [what he meant],” Enriquez said. “Did he word it correctly? No, but he did emphasize that, you know, it wasn’t all Mexicans.” (Enriquez told me that he first learned about Trump when he wrote a paper on The Art of the Deal in ninth grade.) Some pro-Trump Latinos told me they understand why immigrants seek new lives in America, but they want them to come to this country “the right way.” They don’t necessarily identify with the plight of Latin American immigrants today. “You can’t really compare immigration in 2020 or 2016 to immigration like when my grandparents immigrated to America,” Enriquez said. Some support Trump’s border wall, some support limits on immigration generally, but almost all pivoted to the economy when the subject came up, arguing that unregulated immigration could have a negative effect on their own well-being. “We recognize that open borders would not be good for the economy, for our families,” Ray Baca, the founder of the El Paso–based activist group Border Hispanics for Trump, told me. “Illegal immigration hurts employment as far as wages are concerned. And who are the people that get hurt? People at the bottom … and many times that is still the Hispanics.”

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I only need to know they support an evil man SlogginThroughIt Oct 2020 #1
I agree rockfordfile Oct 2020 #4
If they like Trump dflprincess Oct 2020 #8
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #15
and they don't see how the republican party squashes all of their aspirations? NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 #2
No, since consistent racism hasn't touched them directly they don't believe it exist to the point .. uponit7771 Oct 2020 #11
I thought it had something to do with machismo, I can see it is more complicated than that Walleye Oct 2020 #3
Yes, there is a serious gender gap, where Latinas lean more Democratic and Latinos more Republican. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #87
Not really more complicated. Caliman73 Oct 2020 #97
Good explanation. We are ignorant of history, And current events Walleye Oct 2020 #101
Depressing, but reasonable in a highly self-interested way. n/t Laelth Oct 2020 #5
"..Did he word it correctly? No,...a" Bullshit, like many black republicans they minimize overt uponit7771 Oct 2020 #6
He called them rapists and locked up brown children to punish their parents. onecaliberal Oct 2020 #7
from the article Celerity Oct 2020 #12
In true Republican fashion, fuck you I've got mine. onecaliberal Oct 2020 #18
pretty much with a shit tonne of religious bullshit tossed in, plus intra-group racism/prejudice, & Celerity Oct 2020 #20
Whatever the "religion" raising that level of self importance to the detriment of so many is the onecaliberal Oct 2020 #23
it's Catholicism mostly, so what do you expect? 2000 years of retrograde dross, murder wars, torture Celerity Oct 2020 #26
My husband and I were both raised Catholic. onecaliberal Oct 2020 #29
Which means their allegiance is irrational. Completely emotional. Caliman73 Oct 2020 #102
It is all screwed up AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #9
+1. Very accurate observations dalton99a Oct 2020 #51
+1 It's complex & troubling. Do these people think they'll appalachiablue Oct 2020 #62
Same thing here in New Mexico rusty fender Oct 2020 #100
I still don't understand and never will. idziak4ever1234 Oct 2020 #10
Many are stone racist, too. LuvLoogie Oct 2020 #13
I've definitely seen that. tavernier Oct 2020 #77
So, right wingers are hypocritical, self serving dipshits who Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #14
Looks like Republicans exploit class warfare and racism issues with Baked Potato Oct 2020 #16
I got mine, fuck everyone else. NorthOf270 Oct 2020 #17
god and gays sung to the tune of macho man by the village people nt msongs Oct 2020 #19
no, more along the lines of tejano, or bandera or mariachi or norteno or salsa or criolla, etc etc Celerity Oct 2020 #24
That's a super broad and wrong generalization. I grew up knowing Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #41
Disagree, sorry nt Celerity Oct 2020 #44
Disagree about what? Are you now gonna tell me you Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #46
you are the one broadbrushing, not me nt Celerity Oct 2020 #47
OK now, are you reading your own posts? Am I talking to 2 different Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #48
I am following along just fine Celerity Oct 2020 #53
Right wing assholes are right wing assholes, regardless of Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #54
I did not interpret as a joke, but I still stand my my posts, as joke or not, my points are valid Celerity Oct 2020 #55
Ah, so you didn't say then the very thing you're saying now. Got it. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #56
stating a fact is not a negative thing, nor contradictory of anything I said nt Celerity Oct 2020 #57
I spoke to one tonight BainsBane Oct 2020 #21
yes, Rump is doing better with Latinx in 2020 than he was in 2016, and not just in FL. Celerity Oct 2020 #27
Good article dustyscamp Oct 2020 #22
I guess you are right. nt Boogiemack Oct 2020 #34
I've always been confused at liberal treating all Hispanics like they are a different race. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #25
That's what makes "Latinx" such an offensive term for them ansible Oct 2020 #30
Agreed. Call an Argentinian or a Chilean that and wait for the reaction. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #35
And the Brazilians speak Portuguese - the two I've worked with were white. Klaralven Oct 2020 #85
I have a Gomes that works for me! White dude. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #90
Of course, "Latinx" is also a stupid term. Behind the Aegis Oct 2020 #69
Yep. cwydro Oct 2020 #73
"It all boils down to understanding that you are in charge of your own kind of predicament," Takket Oct 2020 #28
All in all, sounds like they are that type of American, descended BusyBeingBest Oct 2020 #31
Gosh, yes. shrike3 Oct 2020 #82
Over half of Latinos identify as white wellst0nev0ter Oct 2020 #32
Because over half of Latinos are white. This is a blind spot for democrats. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #37
They are not white, as white is defined in America. radius777 Oct 2020 #58
Yup, as far the racists are concerned, if you don't fit the specific bill you are "tainted" sunonmars Oct 2020 #65
I don't disagree with your first point GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #79
I worked with a Hispanic whose parents had emigrated from Scandinavia - He was white. Klaralven Oct 2020 #91
What they don't understand are the types of socialism vs. democracy with social safety net. Boogiemack Oct 2020 #33
Huh. I guess these Trump supporters have somehow completely missed PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #36
see this Celerity Oct 2020 #38
As onecaliberal said, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #40
He said that about Mexicans. Plenty of South American immigrants would agree. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #39
Oh, I know they are not all a monolith. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #42
I respectfully disagree. Argentinians and Chileans are as white as us. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #45
We used to joke that Argentinians feel more European than actual Europeans. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #50
I only know a few Argentinians. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #80
I am not talking about how they see themselves. Or what they actually look like. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #94
Actually, he went on to include South America in his disgusting speech ecstatic Oct 2020 #84
Fuck Them along with Everyone else that Supports Trump JI7 Oct 2020 #43
The dividing line among Florida Hispanics is whether or not they are foreign born Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #49
Ugh Bigredhunk Oct 2020 #52
Many people of color and immigrants are more conservative, radius777 Oct 2020 #59
moving further right is suicidal for the Democratic Party, the centre of the American political Celerity Oct 2020 #61
Reread my post, I never said move to the center overall, radius777 Oct 2020 #64
Trump was ignorant and wrong on those issues JonLP24 Oct 2020 #66
and if he manages to "win" again, we aint seen nothing of the cruelty coming. sunonmars Oct 2020 #67
What does 'move to the centre' on immigration, terrorism, and trade mean? Celerity Oct 2020 #68
If they're not low info voters they're psychopaths Lars39 Oct 2020 #60
Well if Trump wins again, I hope they are not surprised when they and their families are picked up sunonmars Oct 2020 #63
Like This Bigredhunk Oct 2020 #70
All poltics is local DFW Oct 2020 #71
indeed, i've never understood Turkeys wrapping themselves in foil and hopping the oven. sunonmars Oct 2020 #72
The key is when they say "I knew what Trump really meant" Azathoth Oct 2020 #74
I missed the expose on "What Conservatives Don't Understand About Pro-Biden Latinos" maxrandb Oct 2020 #75
Verband nationaldeutscher Juden Celerity Oct 2020 #76
They support him but he doesn't support them. Sunsky Oct 2020 #78
with Trump acting like a dictator, it's a wash bigtree Oct 2020 #81
The nonsensical excuses and justifications that are being used by some ecstatic Oct 2020 #83
Fascists come in all sizes, shapes, and colors. Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2020 #86
If he had not chosen a black woman, I fear all hell would have broken loose. SC primary and then the Celerity Oct 2020 #88
How do you know most Hispanics will vote for Biden Beringia Oct 2020 #93
Because most Hispanic folks are kind, intelligent, perceptive human beings. Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2020 #99
No lack of understanding BruceWane Oct 2020 #89
It is sad to see so much support from Latinos for Trump Beringia Oct 2020 #92
"Pro-Trump Latinos" brings back a memory from a Cheech & Chong show we went to in 2016. trackfan Oct 2020 #95
Those who emigrated from Fascist countries are Fascist *here*, too! UTUSN Oct 2020 #96
They're fucking idiots like the rest of Trump supporters Yeehah Oct 2020 #98
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