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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:01 PM May 2019

If I was thinking about college right now, and was finishing high school, [View all]

I'd be pretty damned worried. Now, if I was going to study a technical field where jobs are plentiful and pay very well to start, I'd relax a little and not think about student loan debt too much. Once I graduated, I could keep living low on the food chain and pay that stuff off in five years and then get on with my life.

If, instead, I was going to graduate with a BA in English, Art, Music, History, Social Work, Education, or some other humanities degree, I'd be sweating bullets. I'd be looking for scholarship money and grants, heading to a community college for a couple of years, choosing a public college close enough to live at home, and trying to figure out how to make it out with as little debt as possible. Because the pay sucks, jobs can be scarce, and who knows when those student loans would be paid off.

Or, I might switch horses altogether and try to find an apprenticeship program in some skilled trade that I found interesting. It's hard to find younger, trained HVAC techs, plumbers, electricians, welders, etc. So, the jobs are there, they pay well, and the time and cost to learn the trade won't put a person in debt for 20 years.

What I wouldn't do would be to wait for free college to happen or count on some sort of loan forgiveness down the road. I also wouldn't pay the equivalent of a house for an education that led to a low-paying job, no matter how rewarding that job was in other ways.

Part of my privilege was to have lived in a time when state colleges and universities were subsidized by taxpayers and had no tuition. I did nothing to earn that privilege. Then, I spent four years in the USAF, and had the GI Bill, which covered a lot of the costs of my BA and MA in English. That degree didn't guarantee me anything, and I've done all sort of jobs during my working life. The degrees were essentially useless in any of my careers.

Right now, the cost of higher education is way out of reach for many people, and the only way to get through it is to go deep into debt, unless you happen to have parents who can foot the bills. In many careers, the financial rewards are too low to justify that kind of debt. It sucks. Will something be done by the next wave of politicians? Maybe. Maybe not.

I'm sorry things are that way. I'll vote to try to help. But, think long and hard before committing to a lifetime of debt with no job in the offing that will help you get rid of that debt.

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My undergraduate tuition was $150 a semester when I started and had gone up to rzemanfl May 2019 #1
Yes. At California state universities, tuition was $0, although there were some MineralMan May 2019 #3
I'd join the military and get the Post-9/11 GI Bill to pay for future college. Kaleva May 2019 #2
That is an option. You can also study while in the military, too. MineralMan May 2019 #5
I have a nephew that graduated high school. I wanted to go to college, but chose the Army Blue_true May 2019 #44
dont buy a 2019 car, cancel all 12 of your streaming services, bypass the latest iphone msongs May 2019 #4
Well, that has always been true, although were fewer temptations MineralMan May 2019 #6
clueless kcr May 2019 #25
Perspective varies based on where you stand. mahina May 2019 #26
+10000 Celerity May 2019 #39
... a la izquierda May 2019 #7
I have a degree in the humanities. MineralMan May 2019 #9
I never EXPECTED a great job with my English degree. LisaM May 2019 #11
Businesses need people with liberal art degrees Buckeyeblue May 2019 #21
That too! :) LisaM May 2019 #22
Yes. And we are good at taking complicated processes and breaking them down so others can understand Buckeyeblue May 2019 #24
The entry level job pay isn't the most important thing -- but the humanities majors in my family pnwmom May 2019 #29
I would recommend a few possible jobs SoCalDem May 2019 #8
Yes. I mentioned those trades specifically. MineralMan May 2019 #10
Welders are in high demand where I live in Upper Michigan Kaleva May 2019 #12
Our daughter got a $13,000 scholarship... and a $5,000 tax bill because it is now "income" tinrobot May 2019 #13
Scholarship for tuition and fees is generally not taxable exboyfil May 2019 #31
Depends on how the scholarships are given out and to whom. tinrobot May 2019 #36
Nurse.... Good pay. Can't outsource the job. keithbvadu2 May 2019 #14
Live at home and drive dads car exboyfil May 2019 #32
If I were 18 again these days, I'd leave, go to Holland, study chocolate making... NightWatcher May 2019 #15
I think I might do that as well. ooky May 2019 #23
Sometimes employers are not so concerned about the type of degree but are more impressed that you go keithbvadu2 May 2019 #16
There's a more sinister reason jmowreader May 2019 #20
+1 Celerity May 2019 #40
Humanities majors actually do better than undergrad business majors job-wise. pnwmom May 2019 #17
People with business degrees are a dime a dozen these days, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #28
Way too many people are getting a general business degree exboyfil May 2019 #33
DS graduated with an English degree in 2009 mcar May 2019 #18
Vote. It wasn't this way before, never needed to be Hortensis May 2019 #19
I agree. It's the R's who don't want humanities majors, because people in those majors pnwmom May 2019 #30
Yes. Plain and simple. And evil. Hortensis May 2019 #37
My B.A. degree is in music. Never regretted it for a minute The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #27
I'd be very leery of any career being touted by the government Backseat Driver May 2019 #34
I'm afraid that your experience isn't uncommon. pnwmom May 2019 #35
Can you clarify this BumRushDaShow May 2019 #38
I have no beef with those who for whatever reason did not have jobs nor education. That's just good Backseat Driver May 2019 #42
I'm still not getting what you are trying to say BumRushDaShow May 2019 #43
the cost of US tertiary education is becoming extortionate, ruinous Celerity May 2019 #41
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