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Empowerer

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Sun Feb 10, 2019, 10:09 AM Feb 2019

If Fairfax were accused of any crime but rape, would he be forced to resign with no investigation? [View all]

Last edited Sun Feb 10, 2019, 10:43 AM - Edit history (1)

What if someone came forward and accused Gov. Northam of a hate crime in medical school, alleging that he picked him up in his car one night, took him to a field, tied a rope around his neck, threatened to lynch him and tormented him for hours with racial epithets and threats at gunpoint before dropping him off back in town and telling him he would kill him of he ever reported it. Northam said he did nothing of the kind but, instead he and the man went for a drive and sat out in a field drinking and talking before going their separate ways.

Would you assume, without more information that the accuser, a respected doctor, was telling the truth and that Northam must resign? If the statue of limitations had not yet run, would you want the accuser to press charges or would you say he didn't need to try to prosecute the crime but, instead, his word is enough because so much time had passed?

Rape is different than any other crime in its impact and trauma on the victim, so it must be treated differently in some respects. But must it be treated differently in ALL respects, particularly in terms of suspending all due process?

And should the fact that a crime has a unique impact on a victim - like a hate crime - change the due process rights of the person accused of committing it?

I say no.

I've seen people here insist that, although Dr. Tyson has publicly Lt. Gov. Fairfax of a crime, she has no responsibility for charging him but, instead, is well within her rights to simply make the public accusation and not go any further.

And some people are also saying that, now that the allegation has been made, Fairfax must bear all of the consequences he would have incurred had he actually been convicted of a crime short of being incarcerated and being legally declared a felon. He must relinquish his job, lose his political career and forever be stigmatized as a sexual predator and a criminal, without ever having an opportunity to defend himself or require his accuser to be held to her
proof, as other persons in this country who are accused of any other crime are entitled to do.

Sexual assault victims advocates have fought to change the way victims are viewed and treated in the judicial system and society. But they did not create a new and separate extra-judicial process for charging and punishing individuals for crimes without any opportunity to defend themselves.

I don't know whether Fairfax raped Tyson. And neither, at this point, does anyone else other than the two of them. We can try to weigh their credibility but, in truth, we don't know these people. Tyson could be as honest as the day is long. She could also be a stone-cold liar. Fairfax could be an honest young man who would never and has never harmed any woman. He could also be a rapist. I don't know and neither do you. Claiming we can judge the credibility of either of these people at this stage because of what they do for a living, how educated they are, or what we read about them is foolish.

But I do know it is wrong to assume an allegation, especially one as serious as rape, should be treated as a conviction is wrong. People may think it's justified in this case. But the next time, it could be YOUR husband or son or brother or friend who's accused and I am very sure you would not want them to be treated as Fairfax is.

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Would the people calling for him to resign do the same njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #1
Murder? Embezzlement? DUI? marble falls Feb 2019 #2
If he were accused of any of those crimes, would you just take the accuser's word with no investigat Empowerer Feb 2019 #4
This isn't my interest. Its the interest of VA voters. I was answering your question ... marble falls Feb 2019 #6
But their actions in this matter affect us all, though. kcr Feb 2019 #17
It does affect us all. bdamomma Feb 2019 #20
Yes. Happens all the time. I support having an investigation Squinch Feb 2019 #3
Can you give an example of anyone forced to resign based on one allegation of a crime Empowerer Feb 2019 #5
There are two. Not one allegation. boston bean Feb 2019 #7
Ok, can you name anyone else forced to resign based on two uncorroborated allegations Empowerer Feb 2019 #8
I'll let you pick through these to find some: Squinch Feb 2019 #11
You made an assertion, you should support it Empowerer Feb 2019 #12
Since it's YOUR source, why don't YOU "pick through" and select a few for us to discuss? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #13
Wow bdamomma Feb 2019 #21
And that's just Federal level. State would be a whole nother list, much longer. Squinch Feb 2019 #23
"He murdered me in college. I'm a zombie." Beakybird Feb 2019 #9
I support an investigation. nt Baltimike Feb 2019 #10
Assuming the statute of limitations has expired whose job is it to conduct this investigation? PTWB Feb 2019 #14
The statute of limitations hasn't expired in either case EffieBlack Feb 2019 #15
If it isn't expired is the investigation being conducted? PTWB Feb 2019 #16
Police aren't ignoring it. They can't start an investigation without a complaint from the accuser EffieBlack Feb 2019 #18
Well as credible as they are if they're not willing to report it... PTWB Feb 2019 #19
Welcome to DU! bdamomma Feb 2019 #22
Thank you! PTWB Feb 2019 #25
One of the questions I'm curious about in the rape allegation is . . . peggysue2 Feb 2019 #24
Northam was being pressured to resign without any crime Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #26
Pressure on northam to resign is not based on an accusation Empowerer Feb 2019 #27
I did answer your question. Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #28
If someone claimed that Northam had committed a brutal hate crimes against him Empowerer Feb 2019 #29
most probably yes Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #30
I explicitly describef the hypothetical hate crime in my OP Empowerer Feb 2019 #31
for that hate crime Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #32
Thanks Empowerer Feb 2019 #33
I think the bar for losing a job is far lower than the bar for being imprisoned Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #34
This is essentially Kavanaugh's cry, Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #35
I don't care if a man wore blackface or was accused of committing rape. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #36
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