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DemocratSinceBirth

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Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:20 PM

Feb 2019

"It is offensive either way. I'm not the one who suggested the "whole controversy" revolves around whether it is real."

Nowhere in my myriad posts on this topic did I suggest the controversy is contingent on the provenance or authenticity of the outfit. That was a a little chestnut you introduced. What we are discussing is if there is an official Klan outfit.

Okay, on what facts do you base your opinion of whether it is likely an actual Klan robe or not, and how do you address the several facts suggesting it is not?

Because it has the general appearance of a Klan outfit and I'm not convinced an official Klan outfit exists. Wouldn't we need expert witnesses to ascertain that?

We could get David Duke or Jeff Sessions.

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How did the man on Ralph Northam's yearbook page get his Klan outfit? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 OP

A sheet, cardboard, and a pair of scissors. Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #1

It's a pretty elaborate costume Empowerer Feb 2019 #9

Doe this look like something one could put together on the fly? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #14

No. It's not a sheet they just threw on. It's a full-on Klan outfit. Empowerer Feb 2019 #19

There's a lot of detail. That's for sure. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #23

And they didn't don't go online to get it. They had to go through some effort. Empowerer Feb 2019 #24

No internet in 1984 either. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #25

When did mouth holes become a thing in Klan outfits? jberryhill Feb 2019 #33

It looks like a Klan outfit to me. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #36

So you don't have an answer to either question jberryhill Feb 2019 #38

I have testified under oath before. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #40

"How did the man on Ralph Northam's yearbook page get his Klan outfit?" jberryhill Feb 2019 #43

If I said I could vouch for its authenticity or provenance I would be lying. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #47

Okay, well perhaps there might be a way to figure out if it is a real Klan outfit jberryhill Feb 2019 #57

Is there official Klan regalia that is de rigueur for anybody who dons one? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #58

Your question assumes there is jberryhill Feb 2019 #60

At the risk of an appeal to popularity fallacy DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #61

Do you think one of the people in the photograph is black? jberryhill Feb 2019 #62

That so grossly DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #63

Was this a sincere question: jberryhill Feb 2019 #70

Nowhere DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #73

"What I did suggest is perhaps he borrowed it from an actual member." jberryhill Feb 2019 #75

Believing DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #77

That it is offensive is not subject to debate, nor the point of the OP jberryhill Feb 2019 #79

Nowhere DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #81

Lol jberryhill Feb 2019 #84

That catalog is from 1925. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #85

I am sorry you find Google difficult to use jberryhill Feb 2019 #87

For the sake of discussion let's say it isn't an official Klan outfit DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #88

Okay, for the sake of discussion, may I ask you to read what I have written? jberryhill Feb 2019 #89

All this obscurantism about whether or not the outfit is official obfuscates... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #92

Okay, then what was the point of the OP? jberryhill Feb 2019 #93

I'm not sure where you are going with this or why mcar Feb 2019 #71

I'm seeking to answer the question which is the subject line of the OP jberryhill Feb 2019 #72

OP is asking how the weather got the uniform mcar Feb 2019 #74

So the question is unanswerable, I guess jberryhill Feb 2019 #76

Do you really believe you have established DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #78

No, and it is clear that you have an emotional attachment to an answer jberryhill Feb 2019 #80

i think it is white make up on the face. mopinko Feb 2019 #46

Authentic. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2019 #34

Even if he weren't in blackface, kind of hard to explain why he's posing with a Klansman Empowerer Feb 2019 #35

Why do you think his friends called him that name? Cracklin Charlie Feb 2019 #37

I lived in FL from 1970-2012. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #42

It looks like a plain white robe. Mariana Feb 2019 #49

Or pissed off his mom by cutting eyeholes in a perfectly good pillow case? marble falls Feb 2019 #2

Sewing/Crafts 101 TheCowsCameHome Feb 2019 #3

I picture some older man or woman in a cabin in the woods knitting them. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #4

They're stored safely away in the cedar chest. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2019 #39

YGBFKM LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #5

I admit to my ignorance on the subject as I never thought of wearing one. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #7

Good question. Rorey Feb 2019 #6

Res ipsa loqutur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #8

He had the gall to suggest it isn't him Rorey Feb 2019 #11

Arguing in the alternative let's say he made it himself. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #20

Given his height, I don't think there's a question about which one is him Rorey Feb 2019 #29

Northam is 6' tall Rorey Feb 2019 #13

Depends on whether they were in Spain during Holy Week jberryhill Feb 2019 #10

Northam should have said the man in blackface was a penitent and the man in the sheet was a priest. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #12

heh jberryhill Feb 2019 #15

As an attorney... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #17

Not much really jberryhill Feb 2019 #31

TY DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #32

The problem for Northam is that he thought it was him at first. yardwork Feb 2019 #64

I never did any of this in the 50's, 60's 70's, 80's or to date. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #82

Exactly. I'm about the same age as Northam. yardwork Feb 2019 #90

Oh yeah... You can get them from Hobby Lobby. Why do you think the Supreme Court favored them? PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #16

Apparently you can buy custom jobs for anywhere from 100 to 150 bucks depending on mats. Decoy of Fenris Feb 2019 #18

I'm glad the most I ever did for Halloween was put on a cowboy hat. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #26

I never did Halloween myself. Can't understand the appeal, but to each their own. n/t Decoy of Fenris Feb 2019 #28

I liked being a drum majorette. Mom put a Quaker Oatmeal container sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #86

Why, he sewed it himself! : ret5hd Feb 2019 #21

It's too pointy, skinny, and long, and has no badges Polybius Feb 2019 #22

We can agree DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #27

Absolutely Polybius Feb 2019 #103

there are plenty of women, and a few men, who could stitch that up overnight rampartc Feb 2019 #30

It looks like a choir robe, ripped off from a church. Mariana Feb 2019 #41

Baptismal robe jberryhill Feb 2019 #45

Probably the original source of the actual klan robes. yardwork Feb 2019 #65

That could very well be Mariana Feb 2019 #94

Capirotes jberryhill Feb 2019 #96

I wonder how that got to the American South in the late 1900s. yardwork Feb 2019 #98

Birth of a Nation jberryhill Feb 2019 #99

I am not sure d_r Feb 2019 #44

Who says it is a man and not a date? Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #48

It could be a man and his male date made up in black face and dressed as a Klansman. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #51

The Klan exists in the South. I saw them out on street corners in Georgia, 1985. Nt lostnfound Feb 2019 #50

Lived in Fl from 70-012. Never saw one except on tv. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #52

I never saw them in Florida, either. But turned a corner in Georgia... lostnfound Feb 2019 #54

I was pretty politically aware for a kid. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #56

They're not just in the south. cwydro Feb 2019 #59

You have no idea whether you saw a Klansman. Mariana Feb 2019 #67

What DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #69

They never went away. Out in public then, out in public now. yardwork Feb 2019 #66

I saw the KKK bookstore in Pasadena Texas in 1979 Gothmog Feb 2019 #53

What is this dark magic of costumery JCMach1 Feb 2019 #55

Good question. It sure doesn't look homemade. At least not made in the home of someone who doesn't EffieBlack Feb 2019 #68

Virginia, mid 80s? Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #83

I doubt it. Mariana Feb 2019 #95

How did the actual Klansmen get their outfits through the ages? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #91

Klanazon Dot Com.... jberryhill Feb 2019 #97

You are very very invested in this. Why? Hekate Feb 2019 #100

History matters. Knowledge matters. Facts matter jberryhill Feb 2019 #102

Are you ready for it? TwistOneUp Feb 2019 #101