Tulsi Gabbard Thinks We're Doomed

[TexasTowelie]

STANDING ROCK, N.D. — Tulsi Gabbard is running for president of a country that she believes has wrought horror on the world, and she wants its citizens to remember that.

She is from Hawaii, and she spends each morning surfing. But that is not what she talks about in this unlikely campaign. She talks about the horror.

She lists countries: Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq. Failure after failure, she says. To drive the point home, she wants to meet on a Sioux tribe reservation in North Dakota, where, she explains, the United States government committed its original atrocity.

“These Indigenous people have been disrespected, mistreated with broken promises and desecrated lands,” Ms. Gabbard says.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-race.html

[pnwmom]

1. We're doomed if we follow the isolationist path she wants us to follow. nt

[whathehell]

2. Oh well

Surf's up.

[JI7]

3. Putin

[Hoyt]

4. She does have a point about wars, what we did to Native Americans, etc.

[Sherman A1]

5. Yes, she most certainly does

while certainly not my choice for a nominee and while she has been dismissed on this board for various reasons, that doesn't make everything she says wrong.

[Lucky Luciano]

9. She said mean things about Hillary so anything she says is wrong.

Or so the logic goes.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. Bingo

[Cha]

24. NO.. Not "bingo".. Ridiculous.

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She has stated on numerous occasions that she supports expanding the use of drone strikes against military opponents, and, in 2014, refused to rule out the idea of using torture on suspected terrorists. Gabbard also spoke out vehemently against the Iran nuclear deal when it was first proposed by President Obama.

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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[Hassin Bin Sober]

27. .

[Cha]

28. Actually, it's Gabbard's Opinion but you knew that.

[TexasTowelie]

31. !

[Me.]

37. I Appreciate Your Facts

As opposed to her opinions and so happy you know how to distinguish between the two

Hoa

[Cha]

42. Hoaaloha, Me!

".. because she said something bad about Hillary.. " Wow.. how wrong can you be?

Mahalo!

[Me.]

45. Here's What We Know About HRC

She was right about so many things and yet people continue to place blame on her for others who can't get their own act together. Such whataboutism and deflection. What TG says and does is owned by her whether she or anyone likes it or not.

[Cha]

47. Yes Hillary was right about so much.. NOT Gabbard.

Thanks, Me!

[thesquanderer]

39. about that "did not collude with the russians" video...

Especially since you posted it 3x in this thread, I think it's worth pointing out (as I've posted before) that if you look at the date of that video, it was immediately after the Barr "summary" which basically said that Trump did not collude, and to be fair, at the time, that was widely believed to be accurate, and was certainly being reported that way by most if not all the mainstream media. In that context, it was not unreasonable thing for her to say.

[Cha]

43. I posted it twice and I don't care what the

date is.. I'll post it more if I think someone else needs to see it.

Tulsi Gabbard: Trump indictment might have 'led to civil war'

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435780-tulsi-gabbard-trump-indictment-might-have-led-to-civil-war

[thesquanderer]

44. 3x, posts 23, 24, and 25. And you don't think the date is relevant?

Lots of people (not just Republicans!) were saying it was time to move on, after that Barr summary was released, she was hardly alone. I'm all for fair critiques of any of our candidates, but not hit jobs that take things out of context to make them sound worse than they are, whether it's my preferred candidate or someone else. That's not what we should be doing here.

If she stands by that quote now, absolutely, go after her on it. But if she only said it before the report was released and when almost everyone in the media was accepting the Barr summary as if it were legitimate, then it's not fair to leave that context out, if it even makes sense to promote it at all.

I was shocked when I first read she'd said that. Knowing the full context, I realize I was being manipulated. It reminded me to be more careful about believing things, even when posted by presumed "trustworthy" sources. You have to get the context on ANY quote.

Also, in that link that you included there (from The Hill), it says that at the same time, she also called for the release of the full report, and the use of paper ballots to help insure the integrity of our elections, protect them from Russian or other interference. Further showing she was not looking to sweep things under the rug or absolve Russia with that other part of the statement that is getting more notice.

[Cha]

46. Tulsi Gabbard: Trump indictment might have 'led to civil war'

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435780-tulsi-gabbard-trump-indictment-might-have-led-to-civil-war

Oh yeah.. one more person did need to see it.

Gabbard just jumps in trying to cover for trump.

[thesquanderer]

53. What if the Barr report had been released, and it turned out...

...that Barr's summary was actually completely on the money? That Trump really did come out of the investigation as well as Barr implied he did? In that case, I suspect that Gabbard's statement would have been seen today as perfectly acceptable. Even with that 'civil war' reference. That's why I think knowing the context of when the statement was said (and what commonly accepted knowledge was at the time) is so important in evaluating the words, and why I don't find them as off-putting as I did before I knew the context.

[flamingdem]

49. Good find Cha

Gabbard is not as innocent as she'd like us to believe.

[Cha]

50. Thanks, flamingdem!

Far from it.

[Hortensis]

18. The logic is to discourage people from voting Democrat.

The logic is to prey on useful weaknesses to create useful idiots.

The logic is to distract people into forgetting to look right for oncoming enemies before proceeding. Every day until it's over.

But if you figure out how the massacre at Bear River would justify anyone helping elect Republicans by dumping it on today's Democrats, by all means feel free to lay that reasoning right out.

[womanofthehills]

22. Don't forget - she thinks we should forget about the Mueller investigation

According to her, Trump is innocent and we need to move on and not impeach him because we could have a civil war.

[thesquanderer]

41. re: "According to her, Trump is innocent and we need to move on"

Is there any evidence for that, other than what she said right after the Barr "summary" came out? Because in context, that statement wasn't actually so unreasonable. See my post #39, linked here.

[Cha]

23. That's ridiculous and you know it..

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She has stated on numerous occasions that she supports expanding the use of drone strikes against military opponents, and, in 2014, refused to rule out the idea of using torture on suspected terrorists. Gabbard also spoke out vehemently against the Iran nuclear deal when it was first proposed by President Obama.

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

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[LanternWaste]

52. After this, therefor because of this, eh?

So goes the logic, indeed...

[pangaia]

30. anybody could say what she said.. big deal

[democratisphere]

8. Agreed. Thank you.

[Claritie Pixie]

16. Active measures are tailored to the target audience.

Of course she's going to say things we agree with.

But if you listen closely, she makes statements that are incongruent and negative.

I am repelled by a Democrat touting military experience as the #1 reason to be elected, saying "I will protect you".

Equally repelling are attacks on other Dems, inability to condemn murderous dictators (sound familiar?), and playing the victim.

[Hoyt]

19. Agree, although since you brought it up, I find Warren's "Economic Patriotism" similarly appalling.

[Claritie Pixie]

20. I certainly hope you're not comparing her plans to Trump and Safire.

If you're going to bandy around that label, please explain, cogently - why.

[Hoyt]

32. That's what she calls her version of "America First."

[Claritie Pixie]

48. More empty words from you.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

26. What we did to Native Americans, as Anglo-Saxons, was a predictable encore.

We Anglo-Saxons did the same in England, displacing and wiping out the native Britons. And, we Normans and Vikings did much of the same to Anglo-Saxons. Original Britons were killed and pushed into a remote and desolate piece of land in the primitive wilderness: we now call it Wales .

[thesquanderer]

6. Unexpected: Soros and Koch find common ground

Two billionaire philanthropists from opposite ends of the political spectrum — George Soros and Charles Koch — came together this summer to fund the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, a think tank to argue against American intervention abroad.

[thesquanderer]

7. Questionable choice: Reminding voters of Jeremiah Wright

She was raised in part on the teachings of the guru Mr. Butler, who founded The Science of Identity Foundation, and whose work she said still guides her...“he’s essentially like a Vaishnava Hindu pastor,” Ms. Gabbard said. “And he’s shared some really beautiful meditation practices with me that have provided me with strength and shelter and peace.”

Before discussion can continue about Mr. Butler’s role, Mr. Moore, her campaign adviser, interjects. “How much do you think Jeremiah Wright affected Obama’s presidency?” he asks.

What's the point of that interjection? I'm not sure what this campaign adviser was trying to get across with that comment, but I doubt it was to remind people that that association with a "non traditional" pastor was, in fact, something that almost brought Obama's candidacy down.

[pangaia]

33. " "And he's shared some really beautiful meditation practices with me that have provided me with

strength and shelter and peace.”

Excuse me, but nobody who has had any real "meditation" experience talks like that.

[TheFarseer]

10. If she can make the point

That military intervention in every country where we don't like something is the wrong path, then I'm all for her staying in the race and taking the dabate stage.

[W_HAMILTON]

21. Except she is one of the biggest hawks on the Democratic side.

Here is one of her previous tweets that I recently came across, in addition to the usual ones everyone sees about her defending Putin and criticizing Obama for not bombing Syria more:

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[Beringia]

11. I find it curious someone who would volunteer to fight in a war

then goes on to condemn US involvement in wars. I would never in a million years volunteer for a war, growing up knowing about Vietnam. Why did she enlist in the first place with our history.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

13. Our imperialism has been going on since way before Vietnam.

So basically anyone, with the exception of WW2 and maybe WW1, who has enlisted from 1800 on is guilty of the same offense. If you want to look at it that way.

[Cha]

25. I find these positions of Gabbard strange..

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She has stated on numerous occasions that she supports expanding the use of drone strikes against military opponents, and, in 2014, refused to rule out the idea of using torture on suspected terrorists. Gabbard also spoke out vehemently against the Iran nuclear deal when it was first proposed by President Obama.

https://arcdigital.media/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-anti-war-660e7d1e4ce1

Link to tweet

[thesquanderer]

38. 9/11 brought about a lot of patriotic enlistment.

She says her first hand experience there and also seeing there were no WMD are things that led to her current positions.

[Beringia]

51. I have a very hard time understanding this "patriotic" impulse

that many people felt to enlist after 911. It was quite obvious in the news that we were lied into the war, that there was no WMD. That Al Queda was not in Iraq, that Bush 2 had a vendetta against Saddam because of his father and then there was the oil and Cheney. I think people who enlisted out of patriotism were either very stupid or opportunists looking for a gig. I don't know which Gabbard is, opportunist or stupid. I watched just part of American Sniper last night because Clint Eastwood makes fairly good movies, but I couldn't watch it. All that rah, rah, what a hero and patriot. Eastwood surely knows better, but he loves the macho patriot angle.

But thanks for the reality check, that it was common to enlist because of patriotism.

[thesquanderer]

54. re: "It was quite obvious in the news that we were lied into the war"

In 2004 (when Gabbard volunteered to go to Iraq), there were an awful lot of people that was NOT obvious to. Enough, in fact, to get Bush re-elected. Heck, in 2004, the New York Times was still standing behind Judith Miller's WMD reporting.

[Beringia]

55. You make a good point

[Beringia]

14. Tulsi Gabbard Surfing

[Hortensis]

15. Can't wait 'til her district kicks her out and she no longer

has its demographics as a reason to run as a Democrat. And of course that Democrats reject her campaign to death, asap. Russia of course is not going to reject her as long as she keeps producing this stuff. That has to be our job.

She reminds me that a political psychologist, after describing the many similarities between those prone to extremism on the right and the left, described an important difference humorously as that those on the right hate everyone else while those on the left hate themselves. She's so changeable, though, and I intend never to know her well enough to guess where she falls at any particular time. Suspect it may depend on a combination of her dopamine level and who she needs to please at the moment.

[MBS]

17. My wishes are the same.

The sooner she's out of the presidential race, and out of Congress, the happier I'll be.

[Me.]

34. "Suspect it may depend on a combination of her dopamine level"

and, her infinity for dictators. Oh wait, we have one in the WH...are they pals. I noticed somewhere on DU that she is at -20. I think it was for Act Blue.

[Hortensis]

36. :) Good to hear!

Yes, they are both peculiarly drawn to dictators. It's not as if she was ever invited, and definitely not sent!, yet there she was cultivating relationships.

[thesquanderer]

40. -20 raised for her congressional campaign. Millions raised for her presidential campaign. nt

[Ponietz]

29. Too much "friendly" fire from Gabbard

and too bad she won’t aim to the right, from whence the existential threat emanates.
Don’t take her divisive bait.

[Downtown Hound]

35. She's a walking and talking Russian bot

Not saying she doesn't have a point about the U.S., but there's a way to criticize the U.S. without building up our enemies who often have much worse records than we do. She hasn't quite mastered that yet, to put it politely.