We really need to set up a dialog with blm-or else Westlake will just keep happening.

[Ken Burch]

It looks as though they are still singling Bernie out and I think the only way to stop that is to just have Bernie meet with them and listen to what they want.

In the meantime, I hope to good they have better stage security at tonight's rally.

[ruffburr]

1. He has met with them

[Ken Burch]

2. It's going to take more than one meeting.

If nothing else, there is a need to find out if this can be settled, or if blm is just fixated on the idea that nothing they want can happen unless Bernie is driven out of the presidential race entirely.

[LiberalElite]

3. in which case I would stick my neck out to say

BLM should educate themselves on Bernie Sanders.

[Pharaoh]

5. What I don't understand is why the fuck are they picking on Bernie

why not Hillary or better yet the racist republicans. The only thing I can think of is solely because Bernie is accessible, the others are not.

[LiberalElite]

6. in which case they are not

winning any points with me FWIW. But I see in another OP that they have apologized.

[Le Taz Hot]

7. Where?

Link please? Thanks.

[LiberalElite]

8. Link below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141170737

(It's in LBN)

[Le Taz Hot]

10. Thank you!

[LWolf]

16. I'm really confused by this.

Not being a twitter user, I'm not sure who is actually "tweeting."

It looks like the apology is NOT from a blm itself?

Is the Bernie Sanders 1016 tweeter from his campaign, or?

I'm confused and dismayed.

[jeff47]

22. The person behind that account admitted he is not associated with BLM.

He's a supporter attempting to do damage control.

[merrily]

52. Supporter of what or whom?

[jeff47]

58. Supporter of BLM. (nt)

[merrily]

59. Thanks for clarifying.

[Ken Burch]

12. could you link to that? n/t.

[LiberalElite]

13. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141170737

[merrily]

53. "That page no longer exists." is what you get when you look for the tweet now.

[merrily]

51. Respectfully, think harder.

[artislife]

4. I am about to go out to the event

I have so many conflicting thoughts and emotions.

Off topic

As a Latina, I certainly don't see Hillary as an ally, I think she just sees me as a vote.

[jwirr]

49. She sees all of us a nothing more than a vote.

[Capt.Rocky300]

9. Does anybody else smell Karl Rove?

It seems to me like something Turdblossom would orchestrate.

[bvf]

11. Not necessarily Rove,

but something really stinks of dirty tricks here--no doubt about it.

[LiberalElite]

14. maybe even

She Who Shall Not Be Named?

[bvf]

18. I'm not drawing any conclusions

except to say that whoever is behind this shit obviously doesn't need to show any credentials.

I could easily claim affiliation with any group I chose to under similar circumstances and create a certain level of havoc. If my actions served to help discredit not only a candidate but a potentially critical voting bloc as well, I'd view that as quite a bonus.

[LiberalElite]

19. True nt

[djean111]

15. At this point, I do not believe BLM wants a dialogue. I am starting to think this is

orchestrated to take Bernie out.

[SusanCalvin]

31. We don't even know who "they" are.

Anybody can say they're "them."

There's something to be said for formal organization and spokespeople.

[djean111]

55. #BLM does have an organization. The protestors were named, and are part of the

organization. This is quite organized and orchestrated.

[TexasBushwhacker]

17. Okay, I'm just going to say it

Some people do not like or trust Jewish people, and some of those people who don't like Jews are African Americans. Could that be why BLM seems to be singling out Bernie for their protests?

I'm not really following HRC's campaign much, but isn't she still just doing fundraisers? I'm curious to see if BLM protests at her rallies. You know, the ones you get into for free.

[SusanCalvin]

29. Please, don't go there.

We don't even know who these people are. Anybody can say they're them.

[Vincardog]

30. Hill doesn't do the dirt. She has a machine for that.

[jwirr]

50. One of the girls was identified as a Black Nationalist. Not sure what that means but reading your

post I wondered if the might include anti-Jewish ideas?

[bvf]

20. I haven't done an exhaustive reading

of the numerous threads around here that touch on BLM, but my impression so far is that any mention of the movement seems to treat it as a monolith, insofar as any comments or actions by an individual or group claiming affiliation with it are reflexively accepted as representative or typical of it.

One couldn't ask for a handier (or sharper) political wedge, and someone's clearly happy to hammer away at it.

[SusanCalvin]

27. Exactly.

We simply don't really know. Anybody can say they're them.

[Doctor_J]

21. pssh. They are part of the Clinton campaign. They have no interest in dialog

Did the Brooks brothers rioters want a dialog in 2000?

Better to confront reality IMO

[SusanCalvin]

25. Possibly. I'd like to think not.

If so, I think I'd just go to a place where assisted suicide is legal.

[HooptieWagon]

28. Exactly!

[HereSince1628]

23. Who represents BLM so that there could be a dialog?

Even if someone stepped forward, BLM is pretty loosely organized, it's very unlikely it has any 'control' over what people do in its name.

[SusanCalvin]

24. EXACTLY!

We are discussing this as if we knew exactly who BLM is in general. We don't. We just don't. The best we can do at this point is identify individuals.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Dialog is two-way. They're not interested in dialog.

[SusanCalvin]

33. Again,

We don't really know who "they" is.

[HooptieWagon]

34. Easy. Ask Soros.

[SusanCalvin]

36. Expand reply

Or provide link, please.

[HooptieWagon]

38. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503072

[SusanCalvin]

40. Good Lord.

So Soros funded progressive organizations. So some were related to Ferguson. Did you forget

[HooptieWagon]

47. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503072

[SusanCalvin]

48. Yes, you already said that. nt

[onecaliberal]

32. These people are clearly not interested in dialog.

We need to find out who is paying them because it is patently obvious this is all staged and planned.

[SusanCalvin]

35. The two women, I tend to agree, pending further information.

BLM in general? Define them. They desperately need to do so, IMHO. If you don't define yourself, someone else will.

[onecaliberal]

37. They better do something because that man is our

Best chance and maybe only chance in my life to help actual people in this country and I will be damned if some paid off outliers are going to blow it for millions if us. This makes me really mad. A local paper tried to interview them and those women flipped them off, does that sound like people who want to help or talk? No!

[SusanCalvin]

39. They refused an interview?

Pretty damning in my view. If you ask for attention, you should welcome an opportunity to get your views heard. In a rational world.

[onecaliberal]

41. Yes, look in latest threads it's there. And there is video of them flipping off the camera.

[SusanCalvin]

42. Could you please give me a link to the video?

My search got me Bureau of Land Management.

[onecaliberal]

43. Here is the OP

KOMO news attempted to interview some of the BLM people and got flipped off!

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Watch the video in this link. Near the end the announcer says that the protesters were asked to say something, but would only produce obscene gestures.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Bernie-Sanders-unable-to-address-crowd-after-Black-Lives-Matter-activist-interrupt-Seattle-Westlake-rally-321146281.html

It also looks like the Black Lives Seattle FB site has a mirror site, which was started just yesterday and is fake:
This BLM Seattle group has hijacked the genuine group. Go to the authentic BLM Seattle page. They issued an apology for what happened. There is nothing more idiotic than going against one's own best interests.

https://www.facebook.com/BLMSeattle/posts/716844418437393

Something fishy is going on here!

On edit, this is what is being shown on what was until recently, claimed as the real Black Lives Matter fb page:
To everyone who visits this page, it will be deleted affective immediately. I am 16 and I started this page to raise awareness about this cause. I am not officially associated with BLM. I recant the apology I made that was not at all associated with what happened. I am sorry for the confusion. But please, please don't stop supporting Black Lives Matter!! I will still believe in them and I hope that you will too!! ‪#?StayWoke‬ everyone.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Lives-Matter-Seattle/523804057758154?fref=ts

It's been a strange day out here in the Great NorthWest. And it's not over!

[SusanCalvin]

44. If they would not speak with reporters,

That's pretty much the end of it for me.

[onecaliberal]

45. I'm done.

It's the height of bullshit. I support black lives but not these people or this supposed movement.

[SusanCalvin]

46. I don't support those people,

Based on what I currently know. I do strongly support the idea of BLM.

[Pharaoh]

57. ^^ this

[ibegurpard]

54. dialog with who?

Like other people have stated it's a very loosely knit organization that anyone can say they are representing. The goal, for some at least, appears to be disruption only. And some political factions are more than happy to stoke it. In the meantime black people continue to die while some people use their lives as political pawns.

[djean111]

56. You say this as if you actually know if Bernie has met with them, and how many times.

You don't know. You also don't know that they want to meet with him, or if they just want to dictate their terms for his campaign platform. You don't know any of that.

And their purpose at this point is disruption in order to bring their plight to the public at large. And, I think, to re-shape Bernie's campaign. Or just get rid of Bernie, as a show of strength. If they do that, then they may, to use an old and worn out guilt trip - they just may be saying hello to a president who does not give a shit, or will double down on policing.
It is working, but I don't think it is to their benefit at this point. And I think some are just having a great time screaming.

[SusanCalvin]

60. "Or just get rid of Bernie, as a show of strength."

I do wonder about that, with a hash tag like #BowDownBernie. I don't approve of anyone "bowing down" to anyone, and I look askance at people, any people, who come right out and say that's what they want.

I also think those two women looked rather silly (yes, I'm fully aware the cause is far from silly, but I'm stating what I saw in the video), carrying on as if they were being silenced (at this particular time) when, according to the TV news story linked upthread, they were actually allowed to speak for about 15 minutes.

And then they wouldn't speak to the reporter, although they may know something about the politics of that station that I don't. I'm sure there are a lot of things about Seattle's local politics that I don't know. All I can go on is what I see and hear on teh intertubes.

[L0oniX]

61. The oligarchy that is taking over our government is pleased with BLM.

[aspirant]

62. How many members are in BLM,

millions or hundreds?

As they go thru these Bernie shoutdowns, how many more Blacks have been murdered?

Why doesn't Bernie go straight to the people that can do something NOW, Obama and Lynch. Send Senate letters to both and get something back in writing to begin this process. Try to set-up meetings with Lynch and Obama so if BLM are legit they now have the access they need.

How does BLM protest that?