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Black Lives Matter Apologizes to Sanders After BLM Shuts Down Sanders Rally. UPDATE2: Videos

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BlackLivesMatter-WA @blm_seattle

To the people of Seattle and @SenSanders I would like to issue a public statement of apology. We still want & need your public support
3:48 PM - 8 Aug 2015

Read more: https://twitter.com/blm_seattle/status/630148715638951936



Apologies for this:

Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Bernie Sanders rally

Protesters on behalf of Black Lives Matter interrupted the planned Seattle rally for Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Saturday afternoon, preventing the Vermont senator from addressing the massive crowd.

The rally at Westlake Park ended around 3 p.m. with Sanders choosing to leave after protesters took the stage and stayed there, controlling the microphone. He left in a white Jeep, and campaign aides had no immediate comment.

After speeches by U.S. Rep Adam Smith and Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, a handful of Black Lives Matter protesters took the stage, first demanding to speak, then demanding silence from the crowd. As some urged protesters to let the senator speak, one activist on stage said they were proving they were “white supremacist liberals.”

Read more http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/


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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:29 PM

1. Are they going to just apologize AFTER every event? Damage is done,

 

And, for me, not just to Bernie. Perception is everything.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:03 PM

21. white supremist liberals. Jeez.

their movement might be in the process of being co-opted. This doesn't make them friends or look good. I know its dire to do something but this is bullshit.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:20 PM

42. There was a local BLM rep. man who spoke officially at the SS & Medicare Rally

according to a poster here. I caught several speakers before Sanders including Seattle City Councilwoman Kshama Sawant who spoke all on the Rally Topic- SS and Medicare, before the disrupt.

Why didn't the 2 local BLM women speak with the official BLM speaker earlier in the program?

Hope this isn't a case of too little too late.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:06 PM

158. It's obvious

Those women and their few cohorts weren't with BLM, they're outliers paid by somebody else to distrupt in the name of activism. >:I

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Response to romanic (Reply #158)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:41 PM

210. Agent Provocateurs

 

I also wonder who encourages them or paid them to do this and the same to O'Malley. There are many working together who don't want a Bernie surge to disrupt Wall St and the Military's plans.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #210)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:13 AM

247. I know the answer and so do you.

 

I'm in NO WAY saying Hillary personally knows anything about this, but it is certainly paid for by supporters of hers.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #247)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:31 AM

277. Do you have evidence to back up that accusation?

That's a serious charge.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #247)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:14 AM

288. It does look like some kind of dirty trick.

 

The kind Sid Blumenthal used to think up for Hillary and Bill.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #247)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:57 AM

298. How about its just a bunch of assholes?

Not everything is a conspiracy. Those people were fucking idiots and damaged their own cause more than Senator Sanders.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:31 PM

52. Co-opted by anti-Bernie groups perhaps.

Its odd that they're interested in disrupting Bernie Sanders, but not HRC.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #52)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:37 PM

61. Or any of the Repub clowns who definiately are not their friends. n/t

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #61)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:42 PM

63. Right! Very odd!

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #61)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:55 PM

85. Exactly! The republicans don't give a F about them, so they go after Bernie. A total

WTF. At first I thought they were plants making it appear they were BLM.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #52)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:42 PM

212. And O'Malley

 

Could very well be Clinton playing dirty again. Or Wall St and the Military who support her as the democratic nominee

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #212)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:16 AM

221. Clinton hasn't been playing dirty. This is a slur based on nothing but conjecture. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #221)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:18 AM

222. Total Conjecture

 

But just that it's a possibility should be enough to discern who is the more honorable and honest candidate. No one distrusts Bernie personally.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #222)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:22 AM

252. Your argument is circular. Just because some people distrust her doesn't prove she's untrustworthy. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #221)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:21 AM

224. If They Had Targeted Clinton Too Like Bernie And O'Mally

 

Then it would look better. It doesn't have to be Clinton but people who want her as the nominee like Wall St and the Military would. It's just common sense.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #224)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:37 AM

232. They wouldn't get that close to Hillary, she has Secret Service protection

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #224)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:19 AM

250. They targeted her a few years ago and she has stayed away from Netroots since.

She hasn't had the kind of event yet where it would be easy for them to push in like this.

Bernie should make sure the mods wherever he is going to speak are more assertive than they've been -- if he wants to be heard.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #221)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:31 AM

255. Right.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #212)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:50 AM

262. Any proof of that or is it just slander? /nt

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #262)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:29 AM

289. If the HRC campaign did it, there would be no proof.

 

It would all get deleted.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #52)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:46 AM

296. Knowing by whom your bread is buttered helps.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:22 AM

226. This is actually a new topic area.

Here's a thread from DU which discussed this topic before Sanders ran: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026193412

It's difficult to discuss because while I think there is merit to the arguments the way they are being presented is extremely off-putting, for better or worse. I think it's a growing topic because it is highly suited for people to take sides, it becomes a literal black vs white argument with either side just drowning out the other.

Handling it is extremely difficult as it is a leaderless thing. I think the best and only way to approach it is to sit back and listen. If there is a continuation of the attitudes after that then you can get dismissive.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:15 AM

267. People drunk on white privilege and completely unaware of it, Jeez.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:32 PM

54. They owe you nothing.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #54)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:37 PM

59. they stormed the stage and threatened

 

And one of them was physically aggressive. They may not owe anyone anything, but that's not ok.

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Response to cali (Reply #59)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:43 PM

66. That one woman was screaming and physically shoving herself towards people. Wow.

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Response to glinda (Reply #66)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:47 PM

73. She was totally out of control! n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #59)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:45 PM

70. Fine. That is how you see it. But I was referring to the poster that they were owed nothing.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #59)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:33 PM

133. He should have had a real security detail there to deal with it...

hey it might not be nice but these people had no business getting on that stage. They were acting in a threatening manner and should have been arrested. Doesn't matter who the candidate is....plain and simple.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #54)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:42 PM

64. Cause every person in that crowd was a White Supremacists?

Or do we feel the need to stab our friends in the back to get a message across?

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Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:05 PM

96. Bullshit.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #96)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:12 PM

107. I got called 'Race Nagger' here on DU by one of his fans. And they got support on it.

 

Bullshit back on ya.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #107)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:14 PM

111. One person does not extrapolate to the whole. Sorry no dice.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #111)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:14 PM

112. Perception is reality. It's Waaaaaaaaaaay more than one person. Lol.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #112)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:19 PM

122. Just because people disagree with you didn't make them racist.

I'm sorry that you feel personally attacked.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #112)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:24 PM

128. racists have that very same mentality.

You should shed yourself of that school of thought. A few bad apples would not change my opinion of an entire race, or movement.

It's a primitive mindset to categorize an entire people because of one or 2 experiences.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #128)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:37 PM

140. You shoukd stop telling black women how to think properly. Nobody asked you.nt

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #140)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:45 PM

144. What does your race have to do with anything?

Like me, you're a person. An equal.

Nobody asked me, you're right. But I felt the need to guide someone out of a mindset that is shortsighted.

Nobody asks to be enlightened unless they are wise enough to seek knowledge. Others, we should seek out and inform them. Would you not correct someone of ignorant thought unless they asked for your input? No, because though I didn't ask you, you told me that I shouldn't tell black women what to think.

I'll tell anybody what to think, regardless of gender and race. Because it's the right thing to do.

Again, don't stereotype an entire group because of a few bad apples. That is simplistic thinking. And your gender and race does not absolve you from being communicated with and corrected.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #140)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:16 PM

168. I agree that when *anyone* says "you should"

My back goes up.

Nevertheless, I do not currently think much of those ladies, because of what I saw on video (assuming they were not turned down by the Bernie campaign) and #bowdownbernie (or anybody).

Subject to revision based on more facts than I currently possess.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #128)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:32 AM

283. Funny you should raise this point ...

 

in this thread about BLM apologizing ... and on a site where there are current 3 OP talking about/condemning the actions of a "few bad apples" and attributing their actions to the entire movement.

Perhaps you didn't notice that DUers are doing exactly that AND in those very words.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #283)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:19 AM

292. yeah i noticed

theres bad apples everywhere!

but altogether, the tree looks pretty alright.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #107)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:21 PM

175. Can you provide a link?

 

That would be real surprising.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #175)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:37 AM

284. Oh ... It happened ... and DU let it stand! ...

 

however, the writer of the comment self-deleted the post ... about a week later.

And sadly, the term appears to be gaining traction on DU ... almost as if it's a more palatable way of calling someone a "race-baiter."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #284)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:46 AM

285. so if it is gaining traction

 

you must have other links. I do not think it did and at least if it did the poster took it down. I guess they get NO credit for that from you. Seems that to me you and others have a grudge and just hate some people and brush all of the Bernie supporters and Bernie himself with that hatred. Sad in my opinion as he has done more on this than other candidates over many years.

and calling DU members white supremacists is fine, go figure?

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #285)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:56 AM

287. Okay ... I see what's going on here

 

if it did the poster took it down. I guess they get NO credit for that from you. Seems that to me you and others have a grudge and just hate some people and brush all of the Bernie supporters and Bernie himself with that hatred.


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Response to bravenak (Reply #107)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:25 AM

282. I will add ...

 

They barrage black people with out of context, reinterpreted MLK quotes like we're such idiots that we can be swayed by white-washed quotes and promises of retribution if we do not behave


I know you cannot respond; but, it needed to be said.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:17 PM

119. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I do not believe that is true.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:21 PM

125. You know,

I think we're seeing maybe something different here. There is such a thing as "Republicans for Bernie" and wonder if they are mingling in with "liberal" Bernie crowd, of course still held fast to traditional Republican ideology. I wouldn't doubt that one bit.

But IMHO liberals are polar opposite of Republicans with respect race as well.

Also,
haven't been through what you've gone through but I have PTSD from a retired military Republican. And soon as I got into the states I was "Texaco the Eskimo" because I looked ambiguously not American. And then a long journey of disfunction.

All I have now is My family and, equally important gay, black, etc.. friends. Sometimes friends are all you have, don't push those away.

Friends also matter.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:21 PM

126. I think you have very selective perception and are doing an injustice to all Sanders'

supporters by your slur. WHile you have shown your fierceness in your cause, it is disingenuous to blame Bernie or his supporters for all the indignities you feel. The kind of actions by those two women will do irreparable damage to your cause--whether they are part of BLM or not.

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #126)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:15 PM

201. This here...

"it is disingenuous to blame Bernie or his supporters for all the indignities you feel."

All I can do is shake my head and do a face palm.

I'm at a loss to what to do any more.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:34 PM

134. I love ya Bravenak, but I have to disagree about your last sentence.

First of all, if there are people maligning people of color, then they should be called out.
True progressives, regardless of candidate, should be avid supporters of BLM.
I do not presume to lecture POC about their life experience in America or the teachings of MLK, Malcolm X, or Cornell West.
I think that they speak for themselves without my personal interpretation of their writings.

That said, this fiasco is one of those cases when I think that an apology is warranted.
Not because the ladies on stage were black, but because what they did was seriously not cool.
Anyone who jumps up on stage and prevents others from speaking damages their cause and should be held to account for it.
I would be just as aggravated if a bunch of white nuns jumped up on stage advocating for the poor.

The message of BLM is extremely important and needs a national stage, hopefully at the Democratic convention and at other events like this one, but this disruption undermines the cause by alienating the very folks that want the same things; equality, opportunity, and security.

I hope I don't sound too preachy, but it breaks my heart that a cause that I, a white middle aged guy, think will make the community (nation) I live in a vastly better place for not only your children (if you have them) but mine as well.
Giving social and economic parity to the black community only makes our society richer.


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Response to blackspade (Reply #134)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:35 PM

137. Love you too. I'll explain it better at a later time after the cooling period.nt

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #137)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:49 PM

145. Roger that. PM me if you would like.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:35 PM

136. Fuck me to tears. You just said you notice Sanders' supporters are White Supremacists.

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #138)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:42 PM

142. White supremacists support Bernie Sanders. I don't even know what to say to that other than

 

you've gone over the edge.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #142)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:17 AM

272. I curious, cherokeeprogressive.

Do you think some of his self-proclaimed supporters talk down to black people?

I do.

I won't attack you for your opinion.

Just wondering if you've seen it in a way similar to me.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #272)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:58 AM

299. If I may be allowed to answer?

I know this question was not directed to me, but I couldn't resist answering because, yes, I have seen a lot of that. A lot.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #138)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:24 PM

176. so how do you know?

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:30 PM

181. The only candidate that this movement goes after are those not named Clinton.

No one expects you to genuflect or bow down to anyone--but as intelligent as you seem--you must see that this looks bad for the movement--and why on earth would Sanders supporters not respond to baseless attacks? You see what you want to see. But that doesn't make it reality. The reality is that bernie Sanders DOES have a record he does not need to apologize for, that his programs would help the black community, that he is NOT the enemy.

But this movement has made him the enemy and anyone who supports Sanders can only guess that it's not really about BLM because it's blatantly obvious that this is a strategy now--against one candidate. They will drown themselves out in all the noise and help no one.

Talk to us when they go after Hillary.

Until then they have no credibility.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:40 PM

188. YOU'RE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE

I'm black. I'm from an all-black side of town. I get it. I know people are angry. I am angry too. But what are you trying to do here? Get something done or vent? If you just want to vent, okay, just say it. People here will listen and engage with you if you want them to.

If you want to make some substantive changes to better the lives of black folk, then please tell us what exactly you are after when you make posts like this. Stop attacking people who basically mean well and want to help. Help them help us! Please, with all due respect. Do not become that which you hate -- people who stereotype, demean, and dismiss other human beings.

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Response to tblue (Reply #188)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:51 AM

297. Hi, cuz! I am also a Bernie supporter AND a BLM supporter, but I too was bothered

not by the activists' demand to speak, but by their physical and verbal aggressiveness, especially toward Bernie, and by their failure to use the opportunity they demanded and were given to rally Bernie's crowd to actively participate in the BLM movement, rather than just permanently coopting the stage/mike and then refusing to allow the rally to proceed at all. Instead of just accusing the people there of being white supremacists, they should have invited and encouraged them to become genuine, active participants in their attempt to finish the work of the orginal Civil Rights movement, which made a brave start, but was barely able to curtail the most public manifestations of the institutionalized racism and injustice or the pervasive bigotry that so shamefully stains our society.

I believe it was a good choice to let them have the mike at first, and I also think BLM should be officially included as a regular and prominent presence at Bernie's rallies--and at EVERY Dem rally. In fact, I wish the Dems, the Congressional Black Caucus, and the activists of BLM would organize huge rallies nationwide focused entirely on BLM, as well as others focused on the fact that the police and legal system also abuse Native Americans, Hispanics, and pretty much all PoC. But those more general rallies should be in addition to, NOT in place of having rallies focused entirely on BLM, because nationwide and all through our history, black people have suffered the most relentless and continual assaults by those who operate as LEOs or as officers of the court.

I would love to see HUGE BLM rallies all over the country, culminating in a "million person" BLM march on Washington, attended not just by black citizens, but by all people who support justice and deplore the fact that lynching is no less a reality today than it was in the past, though now it is being carried out by cops. Just as lynching victims were often horrendously tortured, the victims of brutal, racist cops are often beaten mercilously before being murdered, and even if they aren't actually killed, they are still beaten to the edge of death and left with permanent injuries and disabilities.

It doesn't bother me that the BLM activists at Bernie's rally insisted on coopting the stage and the mike to make their point. I was bothered, though, that they were so aggressive toward Bernie, and also that they refused to eventually allow him to address the thousands that had come to see him.

Bernie and other Dems should work with BLM, not resist them, but BLM should also be willing to use the opening they have created to work with Dems, especially truly liberal ones like Bernie, to make sure that BLM concerns are front and center in all Dem campaigns.

Forgive me for repurposing a racist concept from an earlier time to serve more benign goals, but BLM issues should be treated in all Dem campaigns as equal, but *separate*--i.e., as being every bit as important, BUT NOT THE SAME, as the fight for economic justice, which, though it is as important for PoC as it is for white people in the 99%, nevertheless does not address the fact that regardless of their socioeconomic status, completely innocent black people are always in danger of being detained and humiliated, arrested, assaulted, or even killed by cops or by racist SYG gunslingers.

You and I are internet "cousins" rather than actually related, but like many other white people today, I have dear, dear friends whose safety I must always worry about (not the pretend "black friends" so easily but insincerely claimed by racists to deny their racism). Furthermore, some of my beloved family members are black and therefore always at risk.

Check this out:
http://www.npr.org/2014/08/15/340419821/after-a-traffic-stop-teen-was-almost-another-dead-black-male

That link is to a story about a 19-year-old black man who was viciously beaten and almost shot during a traffic stop for asking the three cops to show a warrant before illegaly searching his car. Alex Landau was on the ground being beaten when he heard one falsely shout, "He's reaching for a gun!"

He threw his hands up and screamed, "No, I'm not. I'm not reaching for anything."


Landau felt a gun against his head, he says. "And I expected to be shot. And at that point I lost consciousness. ...

"It took 45 stitches to close up the lacerations in my face alone," Landau says.





Landau's mother is white. Unlike black parents, she didn't know to give him "the talk," so he didn't realize that cops believe that because he is black, he has no right to ask for a warrant--or to expect to exercise any of his rights as a US citizen.

White liberals are not the enemy. And for many of us, supporting BLM is not just a political exercise. It's absolutely personal, as well, because the next beaten or murdered black person could be our own son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, brother, sister, or cousin!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:59 PM

197. You are actually accusing Bernie supporters of being White Supremacists?

Where have you seen any evidence of this ...or are you spouting off nonsense assuming people will take you seriously?

Give links or evidence of anyone here spouting White Supremacist viewpoints and harassing you. The only evidence you give for your anger is that people here supported MLK and found him an inspiration for their lives and have worked to support his ideals for decades. And you MOCK this? This is really racist clap trap that you would attack fellow DU'ers this way.

Done with you...

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Response to Phlem (Reply #64)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:52 PM

80. It was weird, protesting those that would support them and protesting in a very hostile manner. One

would have thought they were protesting George Wallace or something.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #54)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:52 PM

79. Who said they did? As far as I can tell, they just want to sink Bernie because they feel they can.

 

How that helps anybody, I cannot imagine. If Bernie is out, though - I am not voting for anyone. Fuck it.
There is not one damned thing that is acceptable, now, is what I am seeing. Even if Bernie made BLM the only thing he campaigns on.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #54)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:37 PM

184. Well OK

Who owes anybody anything?

Go Hillary, Wall Street, the 1%s and fuck the rest of us.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:13 PM

108. that was apalling. BLM actions like this discredit their whole cause.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:13 PM

200. There WAS no damage to Bernie. There was to BLM.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #200)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:05 AM

216. There was damage to his campaign

They prevented him from speaking at a rally that HIS campaign organized. People had made the effort to come out to hear him speak and they got told to "shut up". Assuming they are going to continue to engage in this kind of behavior toward Sanders they will shut down his campaign.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #216)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:33 AM

229. Actually, from what I've been able to decipher of this ugly affair...

...this was NOT a Bernie Sanders campaign.

It was a Medicare/Social Security support rally which Bernie was invited to.

If I'm wrong, I will be corrected, I'm sure.

In any case, I'm completely disgusted by the actions of those who hijacked/shut this event down, even after being offered the opportunity to address those in attendance.

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #229)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:35 AM

257. That's what I just read over on Kos

I hadn't known that. Apparently he had another rally that was his own later in the day which went fine.

It seems like the information that is coming out is mixed and not exactly clear. I'm not happy about it either, but I think the dust needs to settle a bit and in 2 or 3 days we'll know more.

Sanders needs to step up his security no matter what event he's at. I know he's running on a skeleton budget (and I've given as much as I can for now), but any further attempt to do things like this need to be stopped.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #257)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:39 AM

259. I am extremely concerned about Bernie's security...

...he is way too vulnerable to attacks from the crazies.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #216)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:40 AM

261. Bernie got sympathy for this....

 

BLM has issued an apology to Bernie.

Whoever decided to target Bernie this way has caused a major backlash.

Everyone needs to stop and reset.

There is pressure to pick a side when this crap happens. I refuse to do that because I agree with both sides and a few irresponsible activists isn't going to change the fact that the BLM movement has a noble goal.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:30 PM

2. Sounds like they got a lot more backlash for the takeover from people they thought would support it.

Not everything works the way you think it will...

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:32 PM

4. Apologize to people who turned out to HEAR BERNIE, too.

Many of them were probably not 'people of Seattle'. It's times like these I wish I could figure out Twitter.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:07 AM

218. I feel bad for them as well

People had to travel to the rally and some I would guess were from outside Seattle. They were told to "shut up" which is inexcusable.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:32 PM

5. their goal was to shut it down. mission accomplished. all those racists (everyone in the audience)

went home I suppose. couldn't tell as the video feed ended

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:53 PM

16. ?

are you being sarcastic?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:03 PM

93. "white supremacist liberals" was the phrase the BLM activist used.

Could be shortened to "racists". In other words, all the people who came to hear Bernie Sanders talk about protecting Social Security (I know, I know, a program that has not helped one black person, EVER), were racists. According to the BLM activist spitting out that bullshit.

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:35 AM

258. Everyone in the audience there to listen to Bernie are racists?

Geeze. That is a huge stretch. Those people are liberals, hardly racist.

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:57 AM

263. Close one, msongs...

On Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:38 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

their goal was to shut it down. mission accomplished. all those racists (everyone in the audience)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1170755

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

msongs says that all the Bernie supporters in the crowd are racists.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:55 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think msongs is being sarcastic. The #BLM chicks called the crowd "white supremacist liberals."
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sarcasm or racism? Can't tell.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The author of the post was being ironic. That is quite obvious because of the overly broad characterization of the audience as racist. An exaggeration meant to be funny-sarcastic.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I may be wrong but I'm guessing the poster was being sarcastic.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I say leave it and let others see just where this poster is coming from.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This was so over-the-top/sweeping that I assumed it was sarcasm (and I was about to chide the alerter to that effect), but after browsing through the poster's opus for contextual clues I'm pretty sure this is "griefing", basically fragging your own teammates for the lulz.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: All Bernie supporters are racist? What? Hide. Hide. Hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:32 PM

6. Why did they do it in the first place, then?

Looks to me like they pissed off more people than they expected.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:33 PM

7. Message to Black Lives Matter.

ALL LIVES MATTER!

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:52 PM

15. Yes they do

The fact that both BLM and the RW tried to take that phrase from us is disgusting.

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:54 PM

17. Black lives are currently in the most danger.

The need for immediate action is strongest here.


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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:08 PM

24. Yes they are

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:57 PM

18. Black Lives Matter

many people that Black lives don't matter and that's the problem. I think BLM is a great movement but the protest tonight at Bernie didn't seem to be part of the movement. Hence the apology?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:53 PM

82. Nope, they're definitely part and parcel

The two women (Willaford and Johnson) are the co-founders of the Seattle chapter of BLM.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #82)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:00 PM

151. I think if they claim to be official reps of BLM they OWE us an explanation for their actions!!!

 

Most if not all Bernie supporters I know are probably as much supporters of what BLM *should* be about (helping make the lives of POC better in our society and fighting the racism that stops that). Most of us, even if many of us aren't POC, can't really understand their objectives in targeting Bernie with this kind of behavior. Well, they got noticed at NetRoots, and I'd like to think that something was learned from that, in that perhaps mistakes were made on both sides and that we'd work together more down the road. But it looks like they don't feel any shame at basically screwing progressive people who feel that Bernie will help us all make our lives better that he's fought all his life to try and achieve, or by screwing many of the POC that they claim to fight for, by dividing us more and making it that much harder for anyone to support change in the community if they shut down any way of getting power for those who do care, and in effect personally attack them for F'ING UNKNOWN reasons!

If they just want to harp on us continually not being able to understand their situation because many of us including Bernie are white people, don't they see the problem there that they're asking for us to move to a color blind society where they don't get judged and treated badly because they are PC, and they doing exactly what they want so many white racists to stop doing by in effect judging us just because we are white and not what we do and how many of us they are targeting what to work together with them on things?

This is really becoming divisive SHIT, and I really had hoped by now that we'd all be yelling together on the streets for both our causes and make the 1% feel more defensive instead because the majority of Americans aren't going to put up with all of the crap they've dealt us for the last 40 years. But with this happening, we're far away from that happening, and meanwhile the Kochs and their 1% buddies are LAUGHING at us because they're succeeding in dividing us just the way they want to, and those of you carrying out these actions are in effect just aiding and abetting them, whether that's your objective or not!

I really hope we can all be cheering together for all of our causes here in Portland tomorrow when he gets there tomorrow night. I want to hug a lot of POC and cheer with them that I consider my friends around here, not feel like some are going to disrupt us here, and make it bad for the rest of us, whether we are white or POC.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #151)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:10 AM

219. I hope the Portland rally goes as planned

At least that one is indoors, but I really would expect a repeat of today's antics. It's obvious what is going on.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #219)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:21 AM

225. The way the discussions are going on this FB page, I wonder if some disruptions are planned there

 

... as well. I really hope they don't. I really want us to have a time to celebrate us all getting together to change things and not be pushed in to being divisive about things.

https://www.facebook.com/blacklivesmatterpdx

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #82)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:22 PM

204. If so...

They have truly fucked up.

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:09 PM

26. A neighborhood sits in a quaint little meadow...

And two men are armed with a fire hose as a couple of the houses catch fire.

One man says, "well, let's put that fire out!"

And the other stops him as he says, "No, I think ALL houses matter." as he proceeds to use the hose on some perfectly fine houses nearby.

The moral of this story is, not all lives are on fire as much as others. So, when using the phrase "All Lives Matter" you're ignoring some real issues.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:28 PM

49. You really don't understand what the word ALL means? n/t

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #49)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:43 PM

65. Yeah,

I do, but it's a waste of time to worry about everything equally when there are areas of higher priority.

Here's a dilemma for you, we have an order for 500 Big Macs! And only 30 or so McRibs... What is the bigger priority? What needs more focus to take on?

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Response to retrowire (Reply #65)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:01 PM

91. From your previous post:

And two men are armed with a fire hose as a couple of the houses catch fire.

One man says, "well, let's put that fire out!"

And the other stops him as he says, "No, I think ALL houses matter." as he proceeds to use the hose on some perfectly fine houses nearby.


Men armed with a fire hose implies firefighters. One wisely says let's put that fire out. The second says ALL houses matter which would mean all houses that are on fire or may catch on fire matter, not houses that don't need help. If the person says ALL houses matter he would then put out the fire no matter what type of house it was. Then perhaps they knew it was too late to save the houses already on fire and were saving the houses next to them something that happens often.

Your McDonald's analogy is even worse.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #91)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:03 PM

94. Well,

your entire explanation is terrible.

How does that feel?

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Response to retrowire (Reply #94)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:09 PM

101. I'm not surprised and don't care, it's the internet.

OK try this one for your McDonald's worker.

Here's a dilemma for you, we have an order for 500 Big Macs! And only 30 or so McRibs... What is the bigger priority? What needs more focus to take on?

Both customers matter, as do all customers, why wouldn't you work on both at the same time? It's not that hard and is done all the time. Again your analogy makes no sense.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #101)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:11 PM

105. You've never worked in manufacturing have you?

You take on the task that is hardest to alleviate the pressure there. The task with less pressure is the least of your priorities.

Logic.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #105)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:17 PM

118. Never worked in manufacturing? Just all my life.

Why not try a manufacturing analogy?

Someone needs 500 parts and someone needs 50 parts, who's order do you fill first? Quick make a decision and make sure you know what you are talking about because I know manufacturing.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #118)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:18 PM

121. You already know my answer

Since you just replaced 2 words from my original analogy. Lol

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Response to retrowire (Reply #121)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:27 PM

129. No, I knew you wouldn't answer the question because you know it isn't that simple.

Have a nice night.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #129)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:36 PM

139. you too. :)

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Response to retrowire (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:53 PM

83. I'm using the term to mean all inclusive.

All human lives matter, each and every one of them.
That's the point.

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:11 PM

29. Of course they do.

But some are statistically more in jeopardy than others. That is a fact.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:33 PM

8. At least they are willing to admit when they fucked up.

 

Good for them.

They should publicly request a meeting with each candidate at a campaign rally, request time to speak and a questions and answers session.

They let the voters who who accepts it and who rejects it, and hopefully get some time to talk with the canidates.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:15 PM

36. Let them host a debate......

and have all the candidates. Wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:47 PM

74. What a truly excellent idea!

And let's see DWS figure out a good way to object. Bet she can't. Two birds with one stone!

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Response to daleanime (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:56 AM

290. Excellent idea indeed,

 

'cept they wouldn't let any of the debaters talk;
they'd do all the talking thank you--
an' tell you just exactly who won...

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:01 PM

90. They've demonstrated they are not interested in a question and answer session

Since they keep shutting down opportunities to ask questions and get answers.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:21 AM

251. They "rescinded" the apology

So unless we hear something else come up, it is a sanctioned action.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:37 PM

9. Well, other folks on twitter don't seem to be in to apologizing.

Rosie R. @MMASammich
#BlackLivesMatter protesters take the stage at the Bernie rally and white #Seattle "progressives" show their asses. Disgusting.


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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:06 PM

98. Love the quote marks around white ""progressives"

..The only ass showing is hers.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #98)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:10 PM

103. As I've been reading more about it in different places

I'm guessing that's a reference to the crowd not being pleased at being called white supremacists, and some people calling for the protesters to be arrested or tazed.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #103)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:13 PM

109. They live the idea of us getting tazed and arrested. Why do we think they're racist for that?

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #109)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:16 PM

117. I think there's a lot of broad brushing going around today.

The actions of large groups are being judged by the actions of smaller subsets of those groups.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #117)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:17 PM

120. It was three people. They act like it was a legion of doom. I cannot understand.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #120)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:23 PM

127. Well, those three people were apparently enough

to take over the stage for Bernie's allotted time.

I'll repeat what I've noted elsewhere, though. I think there would be a lot less negative reaction if we'd seen any of these protests against Hillary as well. If the next BLM protest is also at a Bernie event, a lot of folks are going to be sure that it's 'about' Bernie, and not about black lives in a larger context. A BLM protest against Hillary would go a long way to quieting the grumbling.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #130)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:52 PM

148. Pick any candidate at random and shut down ONLY his/her speaking time, and see how happy

the crowd (some of whom drove hours to hear that candidate speak) is to see you take over the stage again.

I don't care which candidate you choose to stalk, You will not be greeted with roses and chocolates.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #148)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:55 PM

195. I don't think it was "at random", nor do I think it was "stalking".

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Response to Post removed (Reply #130)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:20 PM

171. I think you are confused at who STARTED the rudeness. It WAS NOT Bernie fans!

 

If you are nasty and rude to someone else who has been kind to you for the most part, then often many will respond back with similar rudeness. You can't complain later that you are attacking them for something you provoked! (Maybe not you personally, but those claiming to represent BLM, without any real disclaimer from other people in BLM that tries to explain their actions or if they really represented what BLM is about)

BLM needs to explain why THEY STARTED the rudeness! There really is no reason that people can substantively point to.

There are many of us that don't really like getting angry, but many can't help feel that way when we are unfairly attacked for reasons that don't add up if any reasons are even given. Yes, there are probably a few Bernie fans that have overreacted, but again, I challenge you to find any one that initiated actions that provoked these kind of actions by BLM protestors at these rallies.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #130)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:20 PM

172. BLM = Tea Party

Yep, O'Malley is OK, since he really has no chance. Bernie is the only real challenger to Hillary.

I can't get over the perception that BLM is being wound up by the media and is being used ONLY to discredit Bernie. Much in the same way that the Tea Party folks were being used to further the agenda of RW groups.

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Response to kracer20 (Reply #172)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:08 PM

199. Calling Bernie supporters "White Assed Crowds" in that hidden post.....

That was sure to "win friends and influence people."

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Response to bravenak (Reply #120)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:23 AM

227. that was a Bad hide, Brave.. sorry you have to put up with this shite.

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Response to Cha (Reply #227)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:55 AM

241. Agreed.

Maybe a bit OTT, but the intent was clear.

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Response to Cha (Reply #227)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:09 AM

266. I respectfully disagree with you

As good as Bravenak's intentions were this is the point where she went over the edge:

And look at those white ass crowds. Just look. That shit scares me too. Not only are they white but they seem to hate black protestirs and talk crap about them all the live long day. It scares me. I don't want a crowd like that having power over me.


She is insinuating that Sander's supporters are racist KKK members. That in itself is over the top. Had she left that part out I would agree with you. It was simply wrong to say that and it's not about shutting anyone down, it's about the DU rules. You and others should stop using people as martyrs because they didn't follow the rules.

On another note:

There have been accusations lobbed at me personally last month that I have not sufficiently defended President Obama that came from the AA community which were false (not you). I will continue to bring this up until a sufficient apology is sent to me by private message. The person knows who they are.

It is just another example of the divisive BS that is going on here.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #103)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:15 PM

114. Aw, gee...I can't imagine why being called 'white supremacists"

would bother them.

I support blm, but this continuous hostility toward Bernie is bullshit.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:40 PM

10. It's a start, cool .

 

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:41 PM

11. K&R

 

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:44 PM

12. Black Lives Matter

 

The issue of Black Lives Matters is so important.

I would hope we get to a point where we can all really come together and fight the deaths of Black Lives. We may not be there, yet. But lets not lose sight of what is REALLY important. To STOP the killing of Black people.


Lots of emotions running high, but that isn't a bad thing.

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Response to artislife (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:50 PM

14. Being commited and passionate about something is wonderful.

Relying exclusively on passion, not so much. Planning, teamwork, and goal setting combined with passion goes a lot further.

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:16 PM

37. +1

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Response to artislife (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:13 PM

33. Marginalizing Bernie by repeatedly breaking up his appearances is not going to help them. nt

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:52 PM

81. Question is,

is there a "them" there? It's a serious question. What is the organization and who speaks for it? I'm all for grassroots, but if there's no formal organization, anyone can say they're you.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #81)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:54 PM

84. These were not just random people. They are part of the organization.

 

The info is in some other threads here.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #84)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:59 PM

87. They say so.

Does the organization agree? *Is* there a formal or semi-formal organization? I'm seriously asking.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #87)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:01 PM

89. Someone got the name or names of the women. They were not just spontaneous outsiders.

 

I do not feel like wading back through the threads, but the info is in there somewhere.

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Response to artislife (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:21 PM

174. and disrupting Bernie's rallies will go a long way toward stopping the killing of black people!!!!

 

Exactly how?

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Response to artislife (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:27 PM

179. Amen! I want to join you all too! I just hope we can do all that is needed on so many fronts now!

 

I think so many out there are each dealing with a whole slew of separate issues now, that it is hard for us to appreciate those faced by those even standing next to us some times. Trying to help Bernie tomorrow as much as I can here in Portland, but will also need to focus on job hunting on Tuesday when I'm looking for work again. At least my life isn't threatened by rogue cops like some are, but I think we need to all try to take a minute each day and ask how we can help the person standing next to us and try to at least have everyone feel their lives are important to all of us and not isolated, no matter what their problems are...

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #179)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:21 AM

223. Good luck with the job hunting

I'll have my fingers cross for you. PM me and tell me what field you are in and I'll at least take a look for you or see if I have any contacts that can help.

I agree with trying to find ways to help people, that has become very rare these days.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #223)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:26 AM

228. I think a lot of people feel like "I don't have time to help when I'm so f'd up myself"

 

... in so many places, because I think we are all dealing with some struggles of our own at some point, and we may feel inability to have time or resources to help others, feel like we aren't getting back to help ourselves when we try to help others, and other things like that when we are all having our own demons to deal with. I'm even dealing with that on some levels within my own spread out family.

That's why I think people that try to push others to do things to the point of accusing them of being jerks in this climate don't step back and realize that especially in this climate when so many are being hurt, even if not to the same level they are, that trying to push your way against people that might otherwise be the most apt to help you doesn't solve anything and that strategy in this climate is less apt to succeed.

Thanks Dave for your comments though. We should get together for some coffee around here sometime. I've got some t-shirts to sell for Bernie too!

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:49 PM

13. Catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 06:23 AM

275. True, but if you really want to draw in the flies, nothing else will do it like...

...feces and rotting flesh.

Clouds of them suckers then.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:58 PM

19. not good

alienating supporters is a VERY poor strategy

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Response to Skittles (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:13 PM

31. I agree

divided we fall. Here we are fighting against each other, when we are all on the same side.

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Response to Nictuku (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:02 PM

92. Exactly! Nothing takes down something faster than when those supposedly on the

same side start devouring one another.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 07:59 PM

20. a Kossack got their beforehand announcement: it's by Marissa Johnson and Mara Willaford

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/08/1410064/-Bernie-Sanders-Interrupted-by-Black-Lives-Matter-Again

BLM Seattle's Twitter account is run by a Nikki and it's unofficial; #BowDownBernie (seriously?) has had exactly two hits I could find; the movement's been around for over a year (hideously enough) and that's definitely enough time for serious rifting

the real danger isn't damage to Sanders supporters or of BLM being seen as "disruptive," but of BLM being seen as a Clinton arm, a campaign component hiding from any criticism under the principle of "change doesn't come from asking nicely!": I mean, anyone remember Andy Young and WalMart? did not go over well

weirdly we often see this "I will not let you commies silence me!" rhetoric in OPs from the conservadems here

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:05 PM

22. It makes one wonder how coordinated

the movement is ...

Sad ...

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:08 PM

23. Looks like there are some loose screws in the BLM movement.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:09 PM

25. Sorry but BLM has lost me.

They're stoning the person whom I think would help them the most. The rich are fucking in control not Bernie Sanders.

WTF.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:13 PM

34. BLM hasn't lost me.

These fool women have lost me.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:18 PM

40. I have black friends whom I care very deeply for and still love

no matter what. But the movement itself is deeply flawed. Yeah right, Bernie's a white supremacist. Give me a fucking break.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:26 PM

47. Yeah, it looks like

Someone needs to step up and clarify what their tactical objectives are and who their allies and enemies are.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:59 PM

88. These fool women are BLM leaders

(Of the Seattle branch at least. I don't know how they fit into the national organization).

I look forward to their massive disappointment when Clinton does exactly what she has promised to do about their issues: Jack shit.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #88)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:46 PM

213. +1

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Response to Phlem (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:37 PM

57. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:11 PM

27. If I was white

and I was a racist
and if I wanted to discredit the movement for racial equality
I would do exactly what the fine folks
at BLM are doing.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:17 PM

39. Exactly.

This is the second time he's' been silenced by BLM, and I bet they are not who they say they are. But I'm listening.

My guess is the right wants him silenced more than Hillary.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:45 PM

191. It's becoming ovious that there's more to this than meets the eye at first Protests......

...ugh.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:16 PM

202. As a person who was active in the 60's this isn't unusual that Good Efforts are corrupted

by infiltrators and those with agendas that are to discredit and destroy a movement by targeting innocents.

Sad to see this because so many of us supported "BLM" efforts after Ferguson because people of all colors could see how wrong it was what's been going on.

But...this smacks of infiltration of the movement by those who wish to harm it or distract it in to going against the very people who could help them. It never ends well.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #202)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:26 PM

206. Some facts are emerging that support what you said

This was a dirty trick. I looked on facebook and there appears to have been a new page hastily set up by the women who disruted. Then there is a legitimate BLM Seattle page.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:11 PM

28. Too little. Too late. BlackLivesMatter's tactics will lose support for their mission.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:20 PM

123. +1

 

The focus is now on the disruptive tactics, not the message. It is hurting their cause.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:13 PM

30. Here's what else they've posted about the takeover.

This is from the BLM Seattle organization FB page - not a community page.



Black Lives Matter Seattle
48 mins · Edited ·

PRESS RELEASE: Black Lives Matter Seattle ‪#‎BowDownBernie‬ Action

MEDIA CONTACTS: Marissa Johnson blacklivesmatterseattle@gmail.com

Black Lives Matter Seattle organizers and supporters take over Bernie Sanders’ rally at Westlake on Saturday, August 8, 2015.

Today BLM Seattle, with the support of other Black organizers and non-Black allies and accomplices, held Bernie Sanders publicly accountable for his lack of support for the Black Lives Matter movement and his blatantly silencing response to the ‪#‎SayHerName‬ ‪#‎IfIDieInPoliceCustody‬ action that took place at Netroots this year.

Bernie’s arrival in Seattle is largely significant in the context of the state of emergency Black lives are in locally as well as across America. The Seattle Police Department has been under federal consent decree for the last three years and has been continually plagued by use-of-force violations and racist scandals amongst their rank and file. Seattle Mayor Ed Murray has refused to push any reform measures for police accountability, not even the numerous recommendations of his self-appointed Community Police Commission. The Seattle School District suspends Black students at a rate six times higher than their white counterparts, feeding Black children into the school-to-prison pipeline. King County has fought hard to push through a plan to build a $210 million new youth jail to imprison these children, amid intense community criticism and dissent. The Central District, a historically Black neighborhood in Seattle, has undergone rapid gentrification over the past few decades, with Black people being displaced from the only neighborhood that we could legally live in until just years ago. While white men profit off of the legalization of marijuana, our prisons are still filled with Black people who are over-incarcerated for drug offenses.

This city is filled with white progressives, which is why Bernie Sanders’ camp was obviously expecting a friendly and consenting audience for today’s campaign visit. The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general, is that they are utterly and totally useless (when not outright harmful) in terms of the fight for Black lives. While we are drowning in their liberal rhetoric, we have yet to see them support Black grassroots movements or take on any measure of risk and responsibility for ending the tyranny of white supremacy in our country and in our city. This willful passivity while claiming solidarity with the ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ movement in an effort to be relevant is over. White progressive Seattle and Bernie Sanders cannot call themselves liberals while they participate in the racist system that claims Black lives. Bernie Sanders will not continue to call himself a man of the people, while ignoring the plight of Black people. Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

On this, nearly the one year anniversary of the ruthless murder of Mike Brown, we honor Black lives lost by doing the unthinkable, the unapologetic, and the unrespectable. Out of radical love for our Black brothers and sisters, we put our lives and our bodies on the line to testify to their persecution and resilience. We join together in Black love to #SayHerName and declare that #BlackLivesMatter, understanding that our love will disrupt the complicity and corruption of our anti-Black society; GOP, Democrat, and otherwise.

There is no business as usual while Black lives are lost. We will ensure this by any means necessary.

With the strength of our ancestors and for the future of our children,

Black Lives Matter Seattle Co-Founders

Marissa Johnson and Mara Willaford

#BowDownBernie
#SayHerName
#IfIDieInPoliceCustody
‪#‎NotOneMoreDeportation‬
‪#‎FreePalestine‬
‪#‎MikeBrown‬
#BlackLivesMatter


(ETA: I don't facebook, I pulled this from someone on Daily Kos who grabbed it : https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1410064/57199012#c198 )

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:16 PM

38. Wow

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:22 PM

43. I agree with some things here,

but I think they may be a bit behind the curve with regard to Bernie, and I'd still be interested to know if they spoke to the campaign at all, or even tried to.

"Black people being displaced from the only neighborhood that we could legally live in until just years ago."

Whaaaaaaa? De facto segregation still exists, I understand, but de jure? What millennium are these people living in?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:23 PM

45. The second to last paragraph. When are they going to disrupt the gop exactly?

 

Seems to me this past Thursday would have been the perfect opportunity.... on national tv and everything....

But no, let's go after the people that are on your side instead....

Idiots.

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:28 PM

50. Oh, I would have loved to see the clown car run off the road.

On edit, I'm ashamed of that initial impulse. I want them to run *themselves* off the road.

Unfortunately, Merka has been so dumbed down that I doubt that will happen. I am more scared than I was in 2000.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #50)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:08 PM

159. You and me both. Scared that we lose and things get worse for all of us. Many of us think of

Bernie as our last chance to stop this thing from totally crashing in on us. Apparently that is not how the BLM voters see it. But they need to because when it all is controlled by the corporations there will be no one who cares about any of us no matter the color of our skin. We will just be assets as Hillary said in her economic speech. Property. Does that sound familiar?

I have deep reasons for supporting BLM but I also have the same reasons for supporting Bernie. I do not want my family living in a corporate run society. The other word for that is fascism. Does anyone involved in this remember what happened to POC in the last fascism in Germany years ago? If we think we are in danger now - we will really be in danger then.

We need to fight the fight for BLM but for God's sake rather you know it or not we need to fight corporatism also. And we cannot do that by destroying each other. That is exactly what they want - to play us off against each other.

Sorry Susan had to let that out. Not directed at you.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #159)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:27 PM

177. Out-of-control corporations are an existential issue!

We the people should control them, not the other way around.

Sure some people make out better than others in a corporate-controlled society. Doesn't mean we should turn against each other.

Too big to fail is too big to exist.

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:43 PM

67. they won't. they might get shot. here, bernie walks away rather than be party to them

getting hauled off and 'confirming' their bullshit. This is so maddening. They will lose the people who can actually do some good. This smells like swiftboating. I don't know. This is feels like a co-option or a divide happening between those who are on point and those who want to rant and rave.

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:46 PM

71. In Ohio...

...for sure.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #48)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:33 PM

56. They lost me there.

I don't want anybody to bow down. I want people to listen. People who want bowing anger and frighten me. I didn't like those women when I saw them in the video, and I *really* don't like them now.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #48)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:08 PM

100. I checked that BowDownBernie hashtag on twitter

There are like 4 tweets using it that I could see and all are defending Bernie. Nothing near trending. Let it die.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:29 PM

51. #bowdownbernie

 

Speechless.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:32 PM

53. "his blatantly silencing response to the ...SayHerName"?? He says it in every speech now!

 

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:44 PM

69. ugh. talk about counterproductive

 

Stupid

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:50 PM

76. @blm_seattle is getting mauled. Deservedly.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:05 PM

97. They sound like racists to me

 

F*ck BLM movement. I put them in the same boat as Teabaggers.

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Response to Larkspur (Reply #97)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:14 PM

113. Don't put all BLM folks in the same boat.

The movement is important, even if you don't care for the words of specific members.

I would consider those particular words counterproductive to their overall goals, but they're an expression of frustration with a system that is not just failing black Americans, but is actively killing them. We have to change that system, even if we fight with each other.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #113)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:41 AM

235. +1000

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #113)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:54 AM

240. +10000

 

The event tonight was terrific. BLM was repeated with respect over and over with all the people who spoke before Bernie and with Bernie himself.

12,000 inside and another 3,000 who couldn't get in. I took notes but it has been a big day and will write more in the BSG.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:11 PM

106. One person wants to help you

so - whatever you do, don't let him speak...

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:13 PM

167. And this would have been an awesome speach to deliver to the crowd!



That's what kills me about this!
They could have followed Sanders with this speech, and that would have really opened an un-ignorable dialogue with the white progressive community.
This is a call for seats at the Democratic table, a message that would have been driven home by the presentation of this press release to the entire audience.


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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:40 PM

187. Agree with being upset about the problems in Seattle

Would have been a better strategy to try to work with the Sanders campaign.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:42 PM

189. Interesting list...a bit broad to include "Free Palestine" ....

Are they targeting Bernie because he is Jewish? He's the only Jew running and that fits their noble agenda?

I thought it was about "BLM" and Black issues with the horrific Militarization of our Police.

I find #"Bow Down Bernie" quite offensive. It can be taken as a sexual dominatrix innuendo as meaning Bernie should be "submissive" to bow down to a more powerful force as a Candidate. And, the ONLY Candidate asked to do so. is that about?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:49 PM

193. "This city is filled with White Progressives..."

This reads like a Racist Screed against White Progressives......and a personal vendetta against a declared Democratic Candidate for US President. Bernie has been singled out and Targeted. This is pretty dangerous and counterproductive thinking on their part.

This city is filled with white progressives, which is why Bernie Sanders’ camp was obviously expecting a friendly and consenting audience for today’s campaign visit. The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general, is that they are utterly and totally useless (when not outright harmful) in terms of the fight for Black lives. While we are drowning in their liberal rhetoric, we have yet to see them support Black grassroots movements or take on any measure of risk and responsibility for ending the tyranny of white supremacy in our country and in our city. This willful passivity while claiming solidarity with the ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ movement in an effort to be relevant is over. White progressive Seattle and Bernie Sanders cannot call themselves liberals while they participate in the racist system that claims Black lives. Bernie Sanders will not continue to call himself a man of the people, while ignoring the plight of Black people. [/b[Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #193)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:51 PM

214. White progressive oppressors. Makes one wonder how white conservatives,

ultraconservative white nationalists and active racists on the right are viewed.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:13 PM

32. there needs to be more organization and strategy

Yes, your allies are unwitting racists but calling them that to their faces causes them to just tune out and discredits your movement. You need them as much as they need you.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:15 PM

35. It's important to be strategic

as well as passionate.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:23 PM

44. Just as stupid as the teabag focks who shut down Democrats' town halls in 2009

with shrill, screaming, paranoid opposition to Obamacare based on lies like "death panels".

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:25 PM

46. This is really unfortunate because this does nothing to further their cause

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:32 PM

55. I'm not sure that person is an "official" spokesperson for BLM

He states that in his profile and in a comment in the thread.

This whole situation is just very sad

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Response to The empressof all (Reply #55)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:44 PM

68. he is not

BlackLivesMatter-WA ‏@blm_seattle 41m41 minutes ago
@ThePoliticalRev @urmomshouse2nte No, I'm not an official member. But I'm working hard to be I don't want people to think this about BLM

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:37 PM

58. As I have noted elsewhere, where is their outrage towards the people who can do something NOW?

When will they try to protest the President or AG? They can do something now, not in 18 months.

That tells you all you need to know about their outrage.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:37 PM

60. Maybe he should ask his friend John Lewis

to accompany him to one of his rally's, to set the record straight.

These people are ignorant, and are hurting both their own cause and Bernie's.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:09 PM

102. Do the Seattle BLM women even know who John Lewis is?

I would be surprised if they do. They are very young and immature, and from their behavior and remarks at the rally, very ignorant.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:42 PM

211. excellent idea

.....but the post below yours might be true, unfortunately

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:41 PM

62. These women are nuts.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:46 PM

72. Sanders is a democratic socialist and BLM appears to include anarchists.

I don't think there is anyone with the capacity to apologize and prevent the 3rd to nth recurrences of crowd-sourced behavior.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:51 PM

77. KKKarl Rove must be delighted and dancing right now

having people with an axe to grind try to take out one of the best people to help their cause.
Meanwhile Rove's buddies go scot free and will probably use some of this to show Bernie as weak.

He probably would have paid plenty to do what these women did for free.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #77)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:07 PM

99. The ghost of Lee Atwater may still walk the land. n/t

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:51 PM

78. This is apparently the FB page for them?

 

https://www.facebook.com/BLMSeattle/posts/716844418437393

And what is up with the #BowDownBernie hashtage they are promoting?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #78)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:56 PM

86. I don't know,

but I feel that is a very poor choice. I don't want anybody to bow down to anybody.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #78)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:11 PM

163. That page is getting hammered.

Rightfully so, I smell a rat and it's definitely not Bernie.

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Response to romanic (Reply #163)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:07 AM

264. Rat all the way.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #78)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:38 AM

234. The Washington fight song is Bow Down to Washington

Maybe there's some association there.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:05 PM

95. What a terrible way to advocate for your cause.

Especially since a BLM speaker gave a presentation earlier in the program.

This was an attack on Sanders' candidacy.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:11 PM

104. Did BLM come out of Jerry Springer ? nt

 

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:13 PM

110. NO - they didn't

If you'd bother to check, you'd see that this is an UNOFFICIAL Twitter feed for BLM.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:15 PM

115. Same Marissa Johnson?

 

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Response to Aerows (Reply #115)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:04 PM

155. I very much doubt it.

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #155)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:05 AM

245. Actually, it does seem likely.

She (the activist) graduated from that university in 2013.

She gives a brief background about herself at about the 1:00 mark:


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Response to Aerows (Reply #115)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:57 PM

196. Possibly, but dozens of people with that name.

Last edited Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:07 AM - Edit history (1)

A search did turn up that page, but none of the news articles that definitely mention the BLM activist that I looked at mentioned mentioned a college. The only one that said anything about her beyond quoting her statements described her as a "23 year old nannie". From her quotes in that article, she has a chip on her shoulder about Seattle progressives. Another article describes her as "an organizer for Outside Agitators 206".

I'd recommend removing your link. Even if it is the same person, there's no telling how old the SPU "student story" is (or if it's real, or if the photo shows the person whose "student story" is given). And odds are it's just someone with the same name.

On Edit: On second thought (and after further searching), it does seem to be, but that page would have to have been from several years ago.

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Response to JHB (Reply #196)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:11 AM

246. It appears they are self described radicals who have hijacked BLM for their own agenda

From your link.

This city is filled with white progressives, which is why Bernie Sanders’ camp was obviously expecting a friendly and consenting audience for today’s campaign visit. The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general, is that they are utterly and totally useless (when not outright harmful) in terms of the fight for Black lives. While we are drowning in their liberal rhetoric, we have yet to see them support Black grassroots movements or take on any measure of risk and responsibility for ending the tyranny of white supremacy in our country and in our city. This willful passivity while claiming solidarity with the ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ movement in an effort to be relevant is over. White progressive Seattle and Bernie Sanders cannot call themselves liberals while they participate in the racist system that claims Black lives. Bernie Sanders will not continue to call himself a man of the people, while ignoring the plight of Black people. Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

On this, nearly the one year anniversary of the ruthless murder of Mike Brown, we honor Black lives lost by doing the unthinkable, the unapologetic, and the unrespectable. Out of radical love for our Black brothers and sisters, we put our lives and our bodies on the line to testify to their persecution and resilience. We join together in Black love to #SayHerName and declare that #BlackLivesMatter, understanding that our love will disrupt the complicity and corruption of our anti-Black society; GOP, Democrat, and otherwise.

There is no business as usual while Black lives are lost. We will ensure this by any means necessary.

With the strength of our ancestors and for the future of our children,

Black Lives Matter Seattle Co-Founders,

Marissa Johnson and Mara Willaford.
https://outsideagitators206.org/blog/seattle-says-bowdownbernie/

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #246)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:32 AM

256. Yes, they seem to have a chip on their shoulders about white liberals

Several of Marissa Johnson's supporters on her FB page refer to Bernie as a "sheep dog Democrat" -- i.e., he's herding lefties into the Democratic fold, where they will inevitably end up voting for Hillary, rather than supporting "real" leftist parties like the Greens.

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Response to JHB (Reply #256)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:38 AM

270. As I said. I believe they have hijacked BLM.

I went to the official website to compare what BLM's goals/demands are and BLM Seattle/outside agitators206 goals/demands are and the official BLM site's list is completely different than Marissa Johnson's recently stated demands are

From the Official BLM site:

#BlackLivesMatter National Demands





We will seek justice for Brown’s family by petitioning for the immediate arrest of officer Darren Wilson and the dismissal of county prosecutor Robert McCullough. Groups that are part of the local Hands Up Don’t Shoot Coalition have already called for Wilson’s swift arrest, and some BLM riders also canvassed McCullough’s neighborhood as a way of raising the public’s awareness of the case.
We will help develop a network of organizations and advocates to form a national policy specifically aimed at redressing the systemic pattern of anti-black law enforcement violence in the US. The Justice Department’s new investigation into St Louis-area police departments is a good start, but it’s not enough. Our ride was endorsed by a few dozen local, regional and national organizations across the country – like the National Organization for Women (Now) and Race Forward: The Center for Racial Justice Innovation – who, while maintaining different missions, have demonstrated unprecedented solidarity in response to anti-black police violence. We hope to encourage more organizations to endorse and participate in a network with a renewed purpose of conceptualizing policy recommendations.
We will also demand, through the network, that the federal government discontinue its supply of military weaponry and equipment to local law enforcement. And though Congress seems to finally be considering measures in this regard, it remains essential to monitor the demilitarization processes and the corporate sectors that financially benefit from the sale of military tools to police.
We will call on the office of US attorney general Eric Holder to release the names of all officers involved in killing black people within the last five years, both while on patrol and in custody, so they can be brought to justice – if they haven’t already.
And we will advocate for a decrease in law-enforcement spending at the local, state and federal levels and a reinvestment of that budgeted money into the black communities most devastated by poverty in order to create jobs, housing and schools. This money should be redirected to those federal departments charged with providing employment, housing and educational services.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/demands/

as you can see from my previous post Johnson's stated goals have nothing to do with BLM's sated goals. I would hope that BLM leaders would release a statement clarifying whether or not they support Marissa Johnsons "by any means necessary" goals and let us know if she speaks for the entire BLM organization or if she is usurping the BLM organization for her own admittedly radical agenda?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #270)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:22 AM

293. I am a Bernie supporter, but when say things like hijacked and agitators you sound racist.

 

It turns people off. You may want to be a little more sensitive to BLM because Bernie won't win without black voters, and it will be a shame because IMO he is the only legitimate candidate in this race.

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Response to JHB (Reply #256)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:57 AM

291. That may sound like a good part of a larger argument

That may sound like a good part of a larger argument but it doesn't pass the lol test with those who are actually following the campaigns of HRC and Sanders. At a minimum, the monied interests that are helping to fund Secretary Clinton's campaign are going to be unhappy that Clinton might have to modify her campaign.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:16 PM

116. They are kookoo

 

It started as a good idea, but the cliqueish nature of the group, the bizarre shut-up-if-your-white histrionics, the obvious willful ignorance, attacks on strong allies, and the lack of a cohesive message or organization has made me more and more wary. This was the last straw. BLM is a fringe group that is harmful to the things for which they say they are fighting.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:21 PM

124. what a farce

It'd be like Noam Chomsky being accosted by members from Palestinian Lives Matter.

Fuck those clowns.

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Response to d_b (Reply #124)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:11 PM

164. A farce encased in a lie, covered with a thick layer of deception ...

 

I get the distinct feeling that this was a set-up.

Somebody out there is laughing.


Mission Accomplished, as the Libs fight among themselves.

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Response to nikto (Reply #164)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:39 AM

260. +1

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #131)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:48 AM

286. Brownshirt thugs

implies they have power. I'm in no way defending their actions. The Brownshirts were the arm of the government, not the anger of the people.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:32 PM

132. I hope BLM loyalty to HRC is worth destroying the support of we who believe black lives really do

matter, not as a campaign tactic, but as in real life, everyday, forever, not just until the primaries are over.

The cause is wonderful and I hope it builds momentum and gains traction. But the group has the exact appearance of an anti-Bernie campaign tactic. If anybody has a problem with that then I suggest they stop going after Bernie when there are much worse offenders than Bernie to go after who are spewing hatred against minorities unimpeded.


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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:35 PM

135. Bernie really needs to get some security

this should have never been allowed to happen the way it did

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:41 PM

141. It seems to me that some of BLM....

... actions are counterproductive to their cause. (A cause that I 100% support)

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:44 PM

143. That apology ænd a dime is wirth 10 cents.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:50 PM

146. The apology was a classy move

Albeit a lot of people who are simpatico to the spirit of BLM are going to be on the fence regarding those in leadership positions due to this action.



Public opinion has a funny way of forming, and it can be brutal. Ask Vice President Gore about how well his choice of earth toned sweaters went over in 2000.

But there's an opportunity here as well. BLM broadening their presence to getting recognized at other events, including Republican ones, would be a great rebound from this apology worthy moment.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #146)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:04 PM

156. The way this is playing out

African Americans not following the reality closely will assume Bernie is some sort of racist

Frankly, BLM is not helping their own cause.

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Response to Red Knight (Reply #156)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:21 PM

173. Pontificators are going to pounce

BLM leadership can get ahead of this but if they wait too long then some will see this as an opportunity to define them. BLM has a lot of credibility and momentum on their side due to the horrific statistics of black deaths at the hands of armed whites. That has caused pundits, of every background, to report on BLM at something of a remove.

But if a consensus forms, as it seems to be doing, that a branch/offshoot of BLM made an unforced error in another disruption of Senator Sanders then the pundits will have their chance to lecture the public.

Historical precedents will get trotted out and, long story short, the media is going to pigeonhole BLM. Because the media is most comfortable with a group when they can define it.

I think many in BLM are savvy enough regarding this and in true insurgent spirit will continue to surprise those who take them for granted. Though I suppose this may be an important moment for BLM as a cohesive group. Those of us who remember the lessons of the '60s know what I'm referring to.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #173)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:51 AM

271. They have already defined themselves. The video of the in-your-face

shouting and demands is here and available to anyone (especially media) who thinks it's a good idea to publicize the tactics used to shut down anyone's organized rally.

I detest incivility in the public forum, no matter how important those acting out believe their cause to be.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #271)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:09 AM

280. The media is defining them.

#BLM has done hundreds of non-Sanders protests over the past year, but they only get broad exposure when the protests occur in a way that allows them to be seen acting in ways that turn white people away from supporting the movement.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:52 PM

147. IF this were HRC being treated like this

 

Bernie would come to her defense by condemning it. Anybody wanna bet we won't hear a word from HRC in defense of Sanders ?

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Response to V0ltairesGh0st (Reply #147)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:02 PM

153. Why?

It's part of her strategy.

Do you honestly think they would have shown up if Bernie was at 3 percent in the polls?

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Response to Red Knight (Reply #153)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:12 PM

166. BLM is done for....

 

Last edited Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)

The real question is why are they attacking a candidate that PROMOTES their values who has not said an ill word to them, or about them . If anything they should be throwing their angst towards Donald Trump....but no... These fools who call themselves a movement are attacking the very thing they claim to be defending.

Bottom line Bernie has handled this all with the grace of a saint, and as long as he continues to do that HE wins and the BLM movement loses. There are more reputable black organization than just BLM out there. I bet you NAACP wouldn't be caught dead letting anyone who claims to be allied with them act like the clowns on that stage tonight for BLM did.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:53 PM

149. That tweet is from an "unofficial" supporter of the movement.

BlackLivesMatter-WA
@blm_seattle
Unofficial Twitter for #BlackLivesMatter-Seattle, chapter of the original #BlackLivesMatter movement. Follow & DM any info on organizing & action. Run by Nikki

Seattle, Wa


Also, my understanding is that this protest was organized by this group: https://outsideagitators206.org/who-we-are/

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:55 PM

150. The women who directed the protest are not part of the larger BLM-Seattle FB page.

I think they are anarchists or ISO. The official BLM-Seattle page is also disavowing the action.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=589710071167552&id=523804057758154

So maybe people could cool their jets and see how this sorts itself out, and quit with the bizarro Hillary theories.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #150)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:29 PM

180. your link leads to "page not found." nt

 

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #180)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:36 PM

183. Looks like they took the post down.

They were getting a lot of abuse in the comments, perhaps they thought it was a distraction.

Screencap: https://twitter.com/yennifere20/status/630192283195977729

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #183)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:40 PM

186. well, they certainly abused Bernie and his supporters today, for the 2nd time now.

 

What goes around comes around.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #186)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:43 PM

190. "They" are not the same group.

Which is what I just tried to explain. There is more than one group using the BLM name.

And I hardly think some actions directed at Bernie Sanders are at all equivalent to 400 years of racism, murder and genocide of Black people, but please, keep doing your candidate proud with the hyperbole and false equivalence.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #190)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:06 AM

217. Ok I am confused.

Has BLM officially said that these people are not real BLM members?
Was this planned by the real BLM?
If it was planned by real BLM then why does it seem that they are only focusing on one candidate for one party?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #190)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:47 AM

238. The action was done by Outside Agitators 206.

A more militant BLM group but involved. I think the BLM Seattle page was created to release their manifesto under the "brand" as opposed to simply being AO_206.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #150)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:37 AM

231. BLM is like Occupy.

There's no real spokesperson. Which is why every time someone who wants to be part of or self-identifies with BLM and posts an "apology" for actions of others then they wind up backtracking.

Here's the Google cache of the apology you linked:

To the people of Seattle and ‪#‎BernieSanders‬ I am so sorry for what happened today in Seattle. I am a volunteer who just runs this page and I am only just starting to get into the movement. I was unaware of what happened and now that I've seen the video I would like to say again that I am sorry. That is not what Black Lives Matter stands for and that is not what we're about. Do not let your faith in the movement be shaken by voices of two people. Please do not question our legitimacy as a movement. Again I would like to apologize to the people of Seattle and I will be trying to reach out to Mr. Sanders.


Clearly just a random person.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #231)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:45 AM

236. Are you going to nag all of the people who say this is a Soros funded conspiracy for HRC?

I know this is left-wing grassroots bickering, but the rest of DU thinks it's straight out of the Clinton campaign. At least I was trying to do something.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #236)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:52 AM

239. I was just informing.

I agree with your post.

As far as getting into the fray, I think I'll stay out of it. This is a very difficult subject matter and a I don't feel I have the patience to explain just how the dismissive attitudes toward black groups is basically the symptom of why the militant tactics are sought.

It's important to note that Sanders makes himself very accessible so these kinds of actions are going to be targeted at him the most since he's the top contender against Clinton. It's easy to pull off. Can you possibly imagine two people going up to Clinton's podium and not being grabbed by SS? A crazy lady threw a shoe at her once and SS had her pulled out of the room within ten-fifteen seconds.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #239)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:58 AM

242. I'm informed. Thanks.

I have been also trying to post about how dismissive attitudes towards blacks are not helpful. It would actually be really a good use of your time to go after white people here who keep saying that Black people should feel grateful that Bernie is running for President.

It's important to note that there are fewer than 25 really active Black posters on DU, so white people really are "the fray." We can't really afford to stay out of it without contributing to the the problem via tacit consent.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #242)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:19 AM

249. True.

I just haven't been posting as much lately. The toxicity is getting to me. I have so many people on ignore I don't even know if I can get the message across appropriately (because snipers would jump in and write something dismissive and others would follow lock-step). Hate this.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:00 PM

152. Hillary should apologize

They work for her.

Until I see this action at a Hillary event I will not be convinced otherwise.

They haven't even gone to a Republican event.

I don't care what anyone posts, regardless of their race---actions speak louder than words here. All this is doing is angering supporters of Sanders who will not show up for Hillary in the general election. That's all they're doing. They're hurting themselves and protesting against a man who is NOT their enemy.

They are accomplishing NOTHING.

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Response to Red Knight (Reply #152)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:53 PM

194. Really? I've seen black commentators saying that Clinton can't take the black vote for granted and

also the Clinton camp concerns about black voter turnout. Clinton did that community meeting awhile back which I watched and also came out with strong commentd about voting rights and automatic registration. This may have satisfied some for now, but there is NO guarantee that BLM won't show up at some point.

I think the entire Democratic Party is worried....it is bringing lawsuits over voter regs in certain states...it is not feeling secure about black turnout at all...Some BLM activists are possibly the tip of iceberg ....

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Response to Red Knight (Reply #152)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:36 PM

209. Funny, they're saying the same thing

They think Bernie is "sheepdogging" for Hillary.

I located the FB page of one of the women who disrupted today. One of the commenters in one of the posts cheering his gave this link to explain it to another commenter who didn't understand why Bernie is the target when "Hillary is way worse":

http://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary
Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders: Sheepdogging for Hillary and the Democrats in 2016
By BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

Vermont senator and ostensible socialist Bernie Sanders is playing the sheepdog candidate for Hillary Clinton this year. Bernie's job is to warm up the crowd for Hillary, herding activist energies and the disaffected left back into the Democratic fold one more time. Bernie aims to tie up activist energies and resources till the summer of 2016 when the only remaining choice will be the usual lesser of two evils.
***

Bernie Sanders is this election's Democratic sheepdog. The sheepdog is a card the Democratic party plays every presidential primary season when there's no White House Democrat running for re-election. The sheepdog is a presidential candidate running ostensibly to the left of the establishment Democrat to whom the billionaires will award the nomination. Sheepdogs are herders, and the sheepdog candidate is charged with herding activists and voters back into the Democratic fold who might otherwise drift leftward and outside of the Democratic party, either staying home or trying to build something outside the two party box.

1984 and 88 the sheepdog candidate was Jesse Jackson. In 92 it was California governor Jerry Brown. In 2000 and 2004 the designated sheepdog was Al Sharpton, and in 2008 it was Dennis Kucinich. This year it's Vermont senator Bernie Sanders. The function of the sheepdog candidate is to give left activists and voters a reason, however illusory, to believe there's a place of influence for them inside the Democratic party, if and only if the eventual Democratic nominee can win in November.

Despite casting millions of voters for the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other sheepdogs, those leftish Democrat voters are always disregarded when Democrats actually win. Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA, a vicious “welfare reform,” no peace dividend or push for DC statehood, lowered unemployment but mostly in part time and low-wage jobs, and mass incarceration of black and brown people. President Obama doubled down on bailouts of banksters and GM, and immunized them from prosecution but failed to address the most catastrophic fall in black household wealth in history. We got health care for some instead of Medicare for All, the Patriot Act renewed instead of repealed, a race to privatize public education, drone wars and still more mass incarceration of black and brown people. And if President Obama gets his way, we may soon have a global job-destroying wage-lowering NAFTA on steroids, with the TTP and TTIP.

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Response to JHB (Reply #209)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:17 AM

281. They'll be surprised then

when a lot of Sanders supporters don't vote for Hillary.

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Response to Red Knight (Reply #152)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:29 AM

254. YOU should apologize.

You're accusing Clinton based on nothing but your suspicions.

Classic witch hunt.

Hillary was harassed by the same group at the last Netroots she attended -- so she stopped going. She hasn't been having the same kinds of events he has, and she probably never will, due to her Secret Service protection.

Bernie needs to talk to the organizers of his events and develop a plan to stop these disruptions.

And his supporters should stop scapegoating Hillary. She doesn't control BLM. If you think Bernie can win and be enthusiastically supported by Hillary people -- after insisting that YOU would never vote for her -- you could have a rude awakening.

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Response to Red Knight (Reply #152)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:17 AM

268. This post is so condescendingly racist, it's unbelievable.

BTW, just so you know it isn't THEIR issue, it's EVERYBODY'S.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:02 PM

154. THERE WAS NO APOLOGY.

As observed by another poster, this statement was issued on an unofficial BLM account. If you check the official BLM Twitter account and Facebook page, BLM is unapologetic and unrepentant. In fact, they view what happened today as a success.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:05 PM

157. I'll say the same thing I said about the last time they disrupted a Democratic event:

They should be banned from all future Democratic functions.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:09 PM

160. Better security

They should never be allowed to take the stage again.

They're being idiots.

They aren't even doing anything to help their own movement. It's insane.

It's time for Bernie to move on. There will never be any pleasing them. They are fighting for Hillary. Period. They don't care.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:09 PM

161. I'm waiting

to see BLM shut down the rally of a Republican presidential candidate. Perhaps they should try
shutting down a police station or the entrance to a penitentiary? It seems passing strange that the
'movement' is singling out Sen. Sanders.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:09 PM

162. too late. they lost my support the first time they disrupted and ruined a campaign event

 

This time they've earned my contempt.

And I've written to their website to tell them so.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:12 PM

165. These types of actions will only push supporters away from the BLM moment.

I fully support the ideal behind Black Lives Matter, and have been speaking against police violence long before Travyon, I do not and cannot support anyone who resorts to extortion.

The people who took the stage should be changed with attempted extortion, and disturbing the peace; "Give him a check or we are shutting this bitch down now." Another added, "If you do not listen to her your event will be shut down right now your decision. Make a decision now."

An apology is not enough for actions like these period. I don't care who's event it was. Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.


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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:16 PM

169. They are only going after Bernie...

...because he's the only candidate with the good graces not to have them arrested.

Imagine them interrupting Hillary, or any of the Repugs...they would be thrown in jail immediately.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:19 PM

170. Bernie's at the point where he needs security ...

You can't continue to allow people to threaten to shut down events, call your supporters racists, blame Bernie for something his not responsible for and then scream at your supporters for twenty minutes.
I can't help but think there are people who would love to see photos of Bernie's security escorting black protestors from one of his speaking engagement. And the MSM would give it 24/7 coverage.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:27 PM

178. Two mouthy girls...

 

...managed to intimidate the candidate and thousands of his followers into listening to a hostile speech and then hold 4 minutes of silence.

Amazing.

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Response to candelista (Reply #178)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:01 AM

244. Mouthy?

Or do you mean uppity?

Reread what you wrote. Not good.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #244)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:32 AM

294. You are a white guy pretending to be black.

 

If any real black people find my post offensive, I'd be glad to discuss it. But not with you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1171053

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:30 PM

182. I think some understanding is in order here.

I think it's a mistake to assume this "rally coup" was meant as something specifically against Bernie or his supporters..and while I agree the mess I saw on the clips above needs an apology, I also think it warrants some circumspection.

They went to where the crowds are. No one else is pulling these kinds of crowds, what other campaign event makes more sense.

And maybe, just maybe, instead of being motivated by something negative, maybe they thought they just might be heard, then they screwed it up.

I saw acts worthy of arrest...but something else is there too. I feel anguish, pain in those two young women, and there's nothing fake about it.

I'm an old white guy, so wtf do I know, but what if:

My hero President's term is coming to an end...who knows when this country will elect another person of color.
The country is as racist as ever....unarmed friends, family are routinely abused, beaten, killed by police.
The Republicans are mostly bigots, even Bernie Sanders has demonstrated a tin ear on occasion when it comes to POC.
School costs a fortune! The job market is a big zero..

I COULD BE TRAPPED IN A LIFE WITH NO FUTURE!

My point here is there seems to be an anguish, desperation to be heard here. I think as bad as these girls screwed up, there is a tremendous opportunity for the Sanders campaign, Democrats, all of us to find a way to understand and channel that anguish, desperation into running the bigots out of DC on a rail! Only in doing that can we achieve a progressive country.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #182)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:45 PM

192. what I saw was a couple obnoxious, mouthy, spoiled brats who deliberately sabotaged an event

 

just because they could.

I didn't hear anguish or desperation, although they certainly were determined to be heard. I heard a couple brats throwing a tantrum because they could get away with it.

They turned me off of Black Lives Matter for good. Bernie won't be able to keep having events disrupted this way, so the events will have to be changed in a way that prevents it, and that is a pity.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #192)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:00 PM

198. well then you must be right, carry on then.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #198)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:34 AM

230. Different people will react in different ways, but I don't see how anything positive happened...

 

I'm just about tuned out myself.

It's unfortunate, because I refuse to believe that most POC who support the causes of BLM wish to endorse this sort of action that only serves to alienate others and not bring them together to accomplish the goals of fixing the problems that BLM originally very appropriately were trying to deal with.

I'm hoping that most that support the original cause of BLM will seize back control from those that appear to be engaged in some form of self-serving antagonistic crap that doesn't help anyone from where I stand.

Increased attention can be good. But not all increased attention is good. Many times it is bad, and makes things worse for people than when they didn't have enough attention. I think the latter is happening here. And from what I can see, about the only thing they are accomplishing is increased attention. And it is more bad attention.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #230)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:07 AM

265. There are many ways to perceive what happened

You see "self-serving antagonistic crap".

I understand. OK by me...

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #182)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:45 AM

237. You've made some good points.

Maybe the best solution to this event is to find a way to lift up the BLM movement and carry their cause forward on top of the groundswell that is powering Bernie's campaign? Ask the AA folks who are in the BLM movement how that could best be done.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #182)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:00 AM

243. Yes

 

The Seattle Police Department is a murdering organization. We may be a liberal city, but there is blood in the streets, there is a gentrification going on that rivals the major cities of the world and the gap in wealth is pretty visable.

If I take the personal out of it and look at what they are protesting, I think it is important.

Again, Bernie is fine.

He spoke tonight with enthusiasm, he spoke about racism, misogyny, agism, gender rights...He was not upset or cowed or anything. There was the roll call of the names of Black Lives Matters twice and the last time the unknown were also acknowledge.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:38 PM

185. just watched the beginning of the video. they should have physically removed those brats.

 

how obnoxious and disgusting. I wanted to throw things at them.

I think what they will need to do is have a physical barrier between stage and audience, such that NOBODY can just run up onto the stage. Maybe have the stage set up high with no stairs available via the front or sides, just a protected entrance from the rear.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:23 PM

205. The person who wrote the apology isn't affiliated with the BLM local chapter in Seattle

[blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"][p lang="en" dir="ltr"]This page will be deleted affective immediately. I also recant the apology for BLM Seattle. I am in no way affiliated with the chapter

— BlackLivesMatter-WA (@blm_seattle) [a href="https://twitter.com/blm_seattle/status/630207043433967616"]August 9, 2015[/a]
[script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"][/script]


So far, I see no apology from the organization.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #205)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:37 AM

233. It's a shame, in that the one sane person with public comments for the movement is being dismissed..

 

... as not representing them. If a movement truly is introspective and perhaps looks at what was done today and gives an honest apology for it, then I have hope for such a movement to evolve in to something constructive. When they shut down a sane voice trying to speak in a tone to help move that movement to a better spot, it really does signal that the movement has a pretty bad cancer in it.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:32 PM

208. Wow. This appears to be all about self-promotion. Amazingly

arrogant and incredibly stupid. I can only imagine how irritated those in attendance were. They came to hear a presidential candidate speak, and instead were subjected to this clown show.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:03 AM

215. Agent Provacateurs

I went to an event in Portland Friday night in which some people Black people maligned Bernie and said at a panel that Bernie did not care about BLM. This is a rampant rumor, false, undfounded, that is making its way through the BLM Movement.

As a white liberal, I will still support BLM. I suspect that this has been stirred up by interests who want to sabotage the Sanders campaign. Black people have suffered enough and they are telling the rest of us that they are done with being oppressed and we had better get on board to help them out in respectful ways.

About Agent Provacateurs (pardon my French) I always use that old adage: "By their fruits you shall know them". They disrupted,
they destroyed and they prevented Sanders from getting support. I seriously doubt if these interrupters were legitimate members of BLM.

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Response to McKim (Reply #215)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:35 AM

295. Agents provocateurs.

 

Your French is not pardoned. Nor is your fallacy about fruits. Your conclusion is invalid, but may be true.
Happy posting!

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:13 AM

220. That twitter account has since changed their tune.

Said they were not associated with BLM Seattle.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:14 AM

248. BLM Seattle page has been deleted on twitter...

The plot thickens.....

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:24 AM

253. Actions like this make me wanna puke



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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:28 AM

269. "That page doesn't exist."

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:40 AM

273. They are hurting their own cause

Why don't they go attack republican events instead of attacking democrats?

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:28 AM

274. Divide and conquer. Guess who wins.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 06:32 AM

276. Twitter is a news source now for LBNs?.... Really?

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:03 AM

278. I'm sorry. All is see here is #BLACKSHIRTSMATTER.

 

So... are they being paid to do this?

Who knows.

ETA: Almost forgot the history lesson. (Shouldn't
be necessary necessary but, alas, it is)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milizia_Volontaria_per_la_Sicurezza_Nazionale

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:07 AM

279. They seem to be doing their best to have their supporter look like a fool.

I don't get it. It's like fighting obesity by handing out Ben & Jerry's.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:18 PM

300. I am sorry, LOCKING

the SoP for LBN:


Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

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