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[jfern]

1. He got busted lying about whether Sanders had been to Texas

Hillary has been running a disgusting campaign with having surrogates lie.

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Her biggest problem in her life, career and candidacy is the Truth .

[Gothmog]

46. So going to two events with 90+% white voters is appealing to Hispanics???

I heard about the Houston event through my temple and according to another lawyer at my office there were far more Jews at the Houston event than Hispanics. The former county party secretary chair told me that the Tejano group were not told about this event. That is really effective Hispanic outreach. My county party chair was there and he did not see any Hispanics and only a few African American faces.

My county party chair went to the event to see who was attending and the local county paper went nuts. http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740

If this is the extent of the Hispanic outreach in Texas, Bernie will not break 15% in the Texas primary

[orpupilofnature57]

2. ISSUES NOT IMPRESSIONS .

[Cali_Democrat]

3. I still don't know why Bernie hasn't reached out to the Hispanic caucus in Congress.

This is a very important voting block.

It appears Bernie has trouble connecting with anyone in Congress, even progressive members of Congress.

Nobody in Congress has even endorsed him yet. Hillary has received endorsements from members of the CPC and Hispanic caucus.

Keep in mind these are the people he will need to work with if he's elected.

He hasn't built any real relationships in Congress and he's been there for over two decades.

It's weird.

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Tell Don, Bernie is senior Senator, I think he knows .

[teach me everything]

7. Why? If the Establishment Dems don't want to deal with the anger of a Clinton on a downward

spiral..... they have to kiss up to the Clinton Machine.

I'm afraid it's not going to work either - we've got the people powered machine - and our votes are not for sale at any cost!

[orpupilofnature57]

11. + 1000

[HereSince1628]

8. Funny he co-founded the progressive caucus and was it's chair

and hispanic member of the progressive caucus doesn't know him except as 'oh that socialist guy'.

I have the feeling the issue isn"t being known or reaching out. I have a suspicion establishment dems are telling other that if they don't want to be iced by house or senate campaign committees in their next election they need to back off Sanders.

[jfern]

16. And he's in the only Senator in the caucus

There were other members of the Congressional caucus in the House who were elected to the Senate, but they all left the caucus when they entered the Senate.

[Bluenorthwest]

89. Representative Castro is not a member of the Progressive Caucus. Hangs with another crowd.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=71&sectiontree=2,71

[HereSince1628]

90. OK, my mistake.

[Thinkingabout]

19. Very true, he is still lacking in endorsements, Hillary to date has 121 current congressional

Members who have endorsed her.

[FloridaBlues]

61. Cali_dem I don't think there's anything weird about that, why would they?

He doesn't like the party they represent.
He's openly has said so over the years yes he caucus's with dems but he is not
"apart " of them . This is a Hugh reason why endorsements will be limited now and going forward .

[Cali_Democrat]

64. But the problem is that he's seeking the Democratic nomination

If he doesn't like the party like you said, why would he seek the nomination?

[mcar]

67. This

[Vattel]

72. To avoid splitting the democratic vote and to improve the party?

[Paka]

73. Thank you.

When will his foes recognize that basic fact? He was adament that he would not be a spoiler. His word is good.

[TheKentuckian]

99. They know this but prefer to have a new Nader to curse for a possible defeat

than accept any actual risk of the Turd Way not securing the nomination.

[Hortensis]

102. Maybe he intends to rev up after the Whitowa and Whitampshire caucus and primary.

[SonderWoman]

9. It's his campaign theme.

No one dare question saint Bernard. He knows womens issues better than women! he knows race issues better than BLM and Obama! he knows foreign policy better than generals! he knows economics better than economists! Etc etc. Shut up and vote for your best friend Bernie because his supporters know what's best for us all!

[BooScout]

14. got it in one SonderWoman.....

As usual, you nailed it.

[Fawke Em]

91. Hard to nail jello.

Which is the consistency of most of her posts.

[Armstead]

24. Like belief on a candidate is a bad thing? Doublespeak Here

I love the way people (on all sides, I guess) make virtues for their own side faults on the other.

"Hillary is so smart, she's the most qualified, she's so knowledgeable. I'm so thrilled to be supporting her." -- Good.

"Bernie is so smart, he's the most qualified, he's so knowledgeable. I'm so thrilled to be supporting him." -- Bad

[arcane1]

32. Only one candidate is allowed to be best for everyone, apparently n/t

[Scootaloo]

59. Fascinating

I haven't seen a projection like yours since the drive-in theater closed down.

[cali]

94. your devotion to saint hilly of wall street certainly does give you cred

And like your patron saint your grasp of the facts is a bit tenuous.

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. Is there context to this post? ...

From the comments, there seems to be a HRC vs Bernie feel to it ... That I must have missed.

[BooScout]

13. I just read....

...a news article that says Bernie Sanders supporters plan a protest outside Joaquin Castro's San Antonio office on Monday because he dared to criticise Bernie Sanders lack of connection with Latino voters.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. Oh. Okay ...

Doesn't seem like an effective out reach effort to me ... but what do I know.

[BooScout]

17. According to some....

...we know nothing until we Feel the Bern

[Armstead]

21. According to some....

...we know nothing until we accept the inevitable nomination of Clinton

[beam me up scottie]

23. Bernie got in the way of the coronation.

Mustn't challenge the queen or you'll get swarmed.



Let them try to spin Castro's lie into "advocating" for Latinos, everyone knows it was just Clinton politics as usual.

[frylock]

47. Some people say dot dot dot

[Autumn]

30. Castro didn't criticize Bernie, he lied. Lies that were so easy to debunk.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/08/30/castro-questions-sanders-commitment-latino-communi/

Oh sure he clarified them later but not to the people he lied to.

[Chemisse]

58. Ahhh. Thanks. I missed that.

I wonder if Bernie is supportive of this protest.

[BooScout]

62. If he has any sense he would be embarrassed about it n/t

[beam me up scottie]

63. If anyone should be embarrassed it's Castro.

And you for posting this op.

[virtualobserver]

65. Latino supporters of Bernie want to tell their own Congressman how they feel.

How dare they provide feedback to their elected Representative.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Obviously the voters are already impressed if they care enough to go protest about it.

[Thinkingabout]

18. Hey, it was good cheap advice to tell him to go to the Rio Grande Valley where a large latino

Population resides. But maybe he is not interested. The major population of Latinos are not in Dallas or Houston. Leave the Valley out of the stops, the Latinos gets the message.

[BooScout]

20. How dare a Latino presume to know more about Latinos than Bernie!

I'm shocked I tell you, just shocked!

[kenfrequed]

22. How dare anyone claim to speak for all Latinos?

Are you? Or is this just another hit-job?

[beam me up scottie]

25. Exactly.

The only people I see trying to tell Latinos what to think are HC supporters.

Like Castro who lied to them about Bernie not going to Texas.

But when his supporters call out the lie they're accused of speaking for Latinos?

[Autumn]

42. She doesn't speak for this Latina, neither does mentira Castro.

Bernie speaks for me.

[beam me up scottie]

103. How dare those Latinos protest against Castro!

You tell them all about what's best for them, Boo.

[Bonobo]

26. Here a tip on how not to appear to be a calculating sleaze...

Do NOT continually slice people into separate voting blocs.

Do NOT reduce people's identity to one issue. They are complex.

Do NOT separate people as if they do not share mostly the same concerns, like getting food on the table, etc.

Do NOT tailor your message to those people you have peeled off from the rest of society.

[Autumn]

28. Here's another tip on how not to appear to be a calculating sleaze...

Don't fucking lie like Castro did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251572717#post27

[Bonobo]

34. Is he the same guy that pretended he could remember Sanders' name?

Angling for an appointment by doing gutter work is sleazy.

[Autumn]

37. No I think that was something Gutiérrez

[Autumn]

27. I prefer to think of it as protesting the lies told by a leader of the Latino community

in an attempt to smear Bernie Sanders. So I also applaud them.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/08/30/castro-questions-sanders-commitment-latino-communi/

He has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley,

Oops . In July, Sanders held rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters in Texas

Castro went on to suggest Sanders, a Vermont independent running for president as a Democrat, has been missing in action as some Republican candidates — including bomb-throwing businessman Donald Trump — have intensified their attacks on people in the country illegally. Earlier in the event, Castro said Latinos "have become a piñata" in the 2016 race.

Oops, Sing song voice, Bernie did that on Friday

the senator strongly criticized the real estate mogul IE Trump as recently as Friday at the Democratic National Committee's summer meeting in Minneapolis.

Maybe Castro was unaware and missed the DNC summer meeting and was clueless as to what Bernie had said, or maybe Castro was just clueless.

As a half Latina I find that "leader of the Latino community" to be clueless and a liar. He knew what he was saying to those people he was careful to clarify his remarks on another day at another place.

A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes

[beam me up scottie]

29. He lied and Bernie's supporters are the ones trying to manipulate Latinos?

Well said, Autumn.

Some DUers don't care when Dem politicians lie like their Republican counterparts, they actually applaud it if it helps their candidate.

[Autumn]

33. Notice no link in the OP? A protester called Castro remarks disingenuous, a nice word for lying

"I think what Castro said is disingenuous," Treviño told the San Antonio Current. "I don't know what he was trying to do. But he should be actually fight for policies that emulate Bernie Sanders."

http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2015/09/04/castro-sanders-feud-growing-protest-planned-in-sa

[beam me up scottie]

35. I guess Castro's not the only one trying to fool Latinos.

This will backfire on them, just like it did in 2008.

[Autumn]

40. Castros words were parsed 6 ways to Sunday in the last thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251560642

[beam me up scottie]

44. Yes and they're still trying to claim he didn't lie his ass off.

They want to win at any cost, just like the pol they support.

After the racist dog whistles they used in 2008 nothing shocks me anymore.

[Gothmog]

53. The Houston event was 95% white according to my county chair

I heard about the event though my temple (I am Jewish) and another lawyer who attended told me that he saw a large number of Jews at the event but no Hispanics. That may count for Hispanic outreach for the Sanders campaign.

BTW, my county party chair attended and confirmed this. For his troubles, my county party chair was attacked by a local paper for being a socialist http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740 Do you want to predict the percentage of vote that Sanders will get in Texas? He needs 15% in a senate district to get any delegates in that district.

[Autumn]

66. Bernie went to Texas, Bernie called out Trump for his nastiness

Castro said he did neither of those things. Castro lied. Nothing more need be said. Castro lied. I notice you chose not to address Castro's lies so there is nothing more to discuss. Anything else is irrelevant to the discussion.

This Latina and her family supports the socialist Bernie Sanders.

[beam me up scottie]

104. What part of that is so confusing for people?

I can't believe you're still having to explain this.

[azmom]

31. As a latina, I don't agree with Castro at all and

Neither does this latino living in Texas


Castro’s comments were untrue, inaccurate and suggest that Bernie doesn’t care about the Latino community, which is flat out wrong. As a son of an immigrant myself, I have no doubt that by far the best candidate for Latinos is unequivocally Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator is offering a vision that not only will benefit my people, but all people in our great nation.

For too long the Latino community has been treated as a one-issue demographic by the Democratic and Republican establishments. Immigration is a very important issue in the Latino community, and rightly so, but we also have economic, health and educational concerns for ourselves.



http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Sanders-vision-best-for-Latinos-6484215.php

[arcane1]

36. After Clinton's condescending response to BLM, the new trick is to make Sanders appear anti-Latino

Don't worry, they'll be back to smearing him as anti-woman once this effort fails

[beam me up scottie]

39. An actual tip on how not to impress voters - from a Texas Latino.

I wonder if the op is paying attention?

Good find, azmom.

[azmom]

41. There is lots of love for Bernie in the latino community

[link:|

[beam me up scottie]

45. What a great pic!!!

[lunamagica]

49. As a Latina, I'm really excited at the thought of J. Castro being our next VP!

Azmom, I thought all this time you were a lady (I guess the 'mom' in your name, and because you always type "as a Latina".

If you are a guy "As a son of an immigrant myself", then you are a Latino.

[azmom]

52. I am a beautiful lady living in AZ, and an

Immigrant from Mexico.

The article is from a latino from San Antonio. I did not write the article.

[lunamagica]

81. Ooops, I see. Serves me right for not paying attention

Feeble excuse is that I recently had surgery and I'm now battling a cold...sleep deprived for almost a week.

Sorry

[azmom]

84. Hope you feel better soon. Try

Tylenol pm or sleepy time tea, or a hot bath. Take care.

[lunamagica]

87. I will, thanks!

[whatchamacallit]

38. Voters are plenty impressed with Sanders

Pumas not so much.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. how not to impress voters:

[whatchamacallit]

50. Haha

[Gothmog]

48. Congressman Castro will be the Chair of the Texas Democratic State Convention

The state convention will be in San Antonio this coming June. It will be a fun event. If Julian Castro is Hillary Clinton's selection for VP, we hope that she will attend.

[Autumn]

51. I like this guy.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Sanders-vision-best-for-Latinos-6484215.php

My name is Rick Treviño and I am a proud supporter of Bernie Sanders for president of the United States. I’m writing to push back on Rep. Joaquin Castro’s recent claims in the Texas Tribune that Sanders has not reached out to the Latino community.

Castro’s comments were untrue, inaccurate and suggest that Bernie doesn’t care about the Latino community, which is flat out wrong. As a son of an immigrant myself, I have no doubt that by far the best candidate for Latinos is unequivocally Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator is offering a vision that not only will benefit my people, but all people in our great nation.
For too long the Latino community has been treated as a one-issue demographic by the Democratic and Republican establishments. Immigration is a very important issue in the Latino community, and rightly so, but we also have economic, health and educational concerns for ourselves.

Bernie’s plan for a living wage, universal health care and tuition-free access to public colleges and universities are the types of policies that will lift millions of hardworking Latinos into the middle class. Sanders has articulated his policy platform directly to Latino groups. In Kansas City, he spoke at the National Council of La Raza’s annual convention and received the most standing ovations of any presidential candidate, including Hillary Clinton.

[orpupilofnature57]

54. Agenda

[PowerToThePeople]

55. Here's a tip

We do not care.

We, as in me.

Does any suporter of thirdway status quo have anything to say about Sanders or is it all going to be about some random poster on a message board?

Don't bother answering, I already know the answer.

Trashing this POS op.

[underthematrix]

56. Rep. Joaquin Castro is extremely popular

among Dems, the Dem machine and especially in the POC community. So Bernie supporters may want to tread very carefully. I love the twins, julian Castro is HUD Sec and both are lawyers. They are so fierce. I'm hoping I live long enough to see one of the brothers become President. Maybe 2024,

[teach me everything]

78. He is tainted.

Completely useless as he is tainted by the Third Way political machine.

[underthematrix]

86. I'm not sure what that means but I accept it as your point of view

[Starry Messenger]

57. Shhh, don't give them advice.

Say yes, yes, great idea! Blast this everywhere on social media, too. Really spread it around!

[Autumn]

71. Yes blast it everywhere. Blast this everywhere on social media, too. Really spread it around!

And imagine how great it will look that they are protesting his attacks on Bernie that were not true, in fact they were lies
http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2015/09/04/castro-sanders-feud-growing-protest-planned-in-sa

They're not at all happy that Castro criticized their choice for Democratic presidential nominee, Bernie Sanders. Granted, there's some friction already since Castro supports and is actually campaigning for Sanders' main opponent for the nomination, Hillary Clinton.

But Castro apparently added fuel to the fire last week while campaigning for Clinton in Iowa. He particularly jabbed at Sanders for not doing much to connect with Latino voters.
The Sanders movement in the Alamo City is still a nascent one. It's got around 300 active members, many of them Latinos. Around 50 of them plan to let their feelings on Castro known by protesting outside his office in downtown SA on Monday morning.

"I think what Castro said is disingenuous," Treviño told the San Antonio Current. "I don't know what he was trying to do. But he should be actually fight for policies that emulate Bernie Sanders."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Sanders-vision-best-for-Latinos-6484215.php

My name is Rick Treviño and I am a proud supporter of Bernie Sanders for president of the United States. I’m writing to push back on Rep. Joaquin Castro’s recent claims in the Texas Tribune that Sanders has not reached out to the Latino community.

Castro’s comments were untrue, inaccurate and suggest that Bernie doesn’t care about the Latino community, which is flat out wrong. As a son of an immigrant myself, I have no doubt that by far the best candidate for Latinos is unequivocally Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator is offering a vision that not only will benefit my people, but all people in our great nation.
Also, Bernie has visited our great state of Texas. Back in April, he spoke to a packed house at the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers in Austin, and recently in June he spoke to 13,000 people in Dallas and Houston. I was lucky to attend two of those speeches, and I was not the only Latino in attendance. It was incredible to hear a vision for America that doesn’t cater to the billionaires, Wall Street and corporate America; his message resonated with me greatly and I know it will for Latinos across America.

Castro also claimed that Sanders has been silent when it comes to Donald Trump’s awful bigoted comments about Latinos. This is untrue. Bernie has denounced Trump’s rhetoric and in a recent New York Times interview said, “I think Donald Trump’s views on immigration and his slurring of the Latino community is not something that should be going on in the year 2015, and it’s to me an embarrassment for our country.”

For those who have been following Bernie for years, we know him to be a fighter for all people and know that he stands up to hate speech in all forms. He is never silent when it comes to issues of race and ethnicity.

[Starry Messenger]

74. That's what I said, go for it!

How surprising, Bernie's field organizer in SA is available for press? https://www.facebook.com/SA4SANDERS/posts/1649900338557464

[Autumn]

75. That was a quick reversal.

[Starry Messenger]

76. Where did I reverse?

I literally said to spread this far and wide and then repeated it. I will again--please, blow it up everywhere!

[Autumn]

77. You should do it.

[Starry Messenger]

79. I won't have to.

Hundreds of Bernie's army will be at the ready. I'm sure it will be epic!

[Autumn]

80. Thanks for going against your own advice to boo and giving Sanders supporters advice.

So very kind.

[Starry Messenger]

82. Let me know how it works out!

I'm sure you guys will perform up to standards! Just like with Black Lives Matter!

[Autumn]

83. We Latinas have a mind of our own, we can tell when one of our

leaders of the Latino community is not being truthful and we accept no excuses for his lies. I expect the Latino community will certainly perform up to standards!

[Starry Messenger]

85. That's great!

Have at it!

[virtualobserver]

60. the protest is by Latino supporters of Bernie....I''ll mention to them that BooScout .....

has a tip for them when I see them on Monday, that they are not impressing voters.

Do you have any other advice on how Latinos can protest properly and impress voters?

[beam me up scottie]

68. Well that's embarrassing for the op and everyone who applauded it.

I wonder when they'll realize they're telling Latinos who support Bernie what's best for them?

[virtualobserver]

69. finding new "Bernie supporters are bad" news items is hard work.

it is a dirty job, but apparently they have to do it.

[beam me up scottie]

70. They're recycling an old one - this is just another version of "Bernie's supporters are racists".

They are telling brown folks what's good for them, etc.

[Historic NY]

88. Meanwhile it just another recycled memo sort of like the one the Sanders campaign puts out day

after day and now they complain of recycled material...Hell by Nov this could be the Bernie flame out board.

maybe it time to start using the alert button after 10+ yrs.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. The OP and many posters seem to assume the Sanders supporters protesting are not Latino...

And yet according to the press:
"The Sanders movement in the Alamo City is still a nascent one. It's got around 300 active members, many of them Latinos. Around 50 of them plan to let their feelings on Castro known by protesting outside his office in downtown SA on Monday morning.
Expounding on that point, Rick Treviño, a 30-year-old teacher at Sam Houston High on SA's East Side and founder of SA 4 Sanders, said that the point is not to personally attack Castro, but to let him know he's way wrong on Sanders.
I think what Castro said is disingenuous," Treviño told the San Antonio Current. "I don't know what he was trying to do. But he should be actually fight for policies that emulate Bernie Sanders."

http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2015/09/04/castro-sanders-feud-growing-protest-planned-in-sa

So many of the Sanders supporters are Latino and they take issue with Castro's lack of honesty. The OP seems to suggest that a bunch of white people are about to march on the leader of all Latinos. I think the OP is patronizing as shit.

"

[HappyPlace]

93. Why this Latino supports Bernie Sanders and not Hillary Clinton:

Why this Latino supports Bernie Sanders and not Hillary Clinton:

Due to recent tone deaf statements that marginalize Sanders' existing minority support, I felt compelled to post this article and say a few words about my support as a Latino for Bernie Sanders and why I do not support Hillary Clinton.

I am proud to support a candidate who actually took the time to visit the fields and see first hand how migrant workers were being horribly mistreated and then spoke up for them. I am proud to support a candidate who traveled to Nicaragua to take a stand against U.S. imperialism under Reagan. Actions speak louder than words. I am proud to support a candidate who rightfully says the war on drugs has been a failure. I am proud to support a candidate who believes healthcare is a right, especially since this issue affects minorities in such a disproportionate way.

I am proud to support a candidate who doesn't need to be dishonest about their immigrant heritage to pander or flip flop and refuse to take a stand until it's politically expedient. I have zero trust in Hillary Clinton to be an advocate for Latinos and immigrants in general. I fully expect her continued support for violent right wing regimes and then to continue to turn her back on the refugees her actions help create.

I stand with Bernie Sanders because he stands with us.

GREAT read and links at Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/29/1406832/-Why-this-Latino-supports-Bernie-Sanders-and-not-Hillary-Clinton

[SunSeeker]

95. K & R

[frylock]

96. PRO TIP: Clean your own fucking house.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128047964

[beam me up scottie]

101. Wait, wut?

[Bluenorthwest]

97. This event was organized by Latinos for Bernie. This report from a DUer present at the event makes

your characterization look pretty shameful:

"I went to a wonderful Bernie Sanders rally in downtown San Antonio this morning
It was a small spur of the moment rally, that was not on berniesanders.com

It was a Latinos for Bernie Sanders/ SA for Sanders rally set up in response to Joaquin Castro's recent comment that among other things, indicated that Bernie had not visited Texas.

I guess we have to blame the "media blackout" as the reason that Rep. Castro was unaware of the large rallies that Bernie had in Houston and Dallas."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251575777


Boo, you should really address that. If you have any ethics.

[beam me up scottie]

100. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Some people don't like cleaning up their messes.

[Bluenorthwest]

105. Without out a correct this is very intentional lying and race baiting. Reprehensible.

nt

[ibegurpard]

98. Here's another one

Tell people you'll give them your opinions on important issues AFTER you're elected President...

[BooScout]

106. locking by self delete...

I don't feel safe here.