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insta8er

(960 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:01 PM Apr 2016

The 5 guidelines according to a paid Hillary poster..

The full article can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/

Just to give you an idea, here are some of the guidelines for our posting in October:

1) Sexism. This was the biggest one we were supposed to push. We had to smear Bernie as misogynistic and out-of-touch with modern sensibilities. He was to be characterized as "an old white male relic that believed women enjoyed being gang raped". Anyone who tried to object to this characterization would be repeatedly slammed as sexist until they went away or people lost interest.
2) Racism. We were instructed to hammer home how Bernie supporters were all privileged white students that had no idea how the world worked. We had to tout Hillary's great record with "the blacks" (yes, that's the actual way it was phrased), and generally use racial identity politics to attack Sanders and bolster Hillary as the only unifying figure.
3) Electability. All of those posts about how Sanders can never win and Hillary is inevitable? Some of those were us, done deliberately in an attempt to demoralize Bernie supporters and convince them to stop campaigning for him. The problem is that this was an outright fabrication and not an accurate assessment of the current political situation. But the truth didn't matter - we were trying to create a new truth, not to spread the existing truth.
4) Dirty tactics. This is where things got really bad. We were instructed to create narratives of Clinton supporters as being victimized by Sanders supporters, even if they were entirely fabricated. There were different instructions about how to do it, but something like this (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/31/1443064/-Dis-heartened-Hillary-Supporter) is a perfect example. These kind of posts are manufactured to divide and demoralize Sanders supporters, and are entirely artificial in nature. (The same thing happened in 2008, but it wasn't as noticeable before social media and public attention focused on popular forums like Reddit).
5) Opponent outreach. There are several forums and imageboards where Sanders is not very popular (I think you can imagine which ones those are.) We were instructed to make pro-Sanders troll posts to rile up the user base and then try to goad them into raiding or attacking places like this subreddit. This was probably the only area where we only had mixed success, since that particular subset of the population were more difficult to manipulate than we originally thought.

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The 5 guidelines according to a paid Hillary poster.. (Original Post) insta8er Apr 2016 OP
Lee Atwater would be so proud. MgtPA Apr 2016 #1
Alert it or quit whining! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #71
I think you misunderstand. MgtPA Apr 2016 #84
I am told creon Apr 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author insta8er Apr 2016 #3
bookmarking for later. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #4
I am using these to respond to all of the things they trow at us (copy paste) in the end insta8er Apr 2016 #7
Just confirming what we already knew. Altho I do have to laugh at #5. jillan Apr 2016 #5
How do we know this anonymous person isn't a Bernie troll posing as a Hillary worker? pnwmom Apr 2016 #45
HRC's campaign is channelling Karl Rove. n/t truedelphi Apr 2016 #6
Brock hasn't changed one bit since Anita Hill. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #8
The Reddit piece looks an awful lot like.... moriah Apr 2016 #9
Undemocratic as all get out. Octafish Apr 2016 #10
It's the law, you can't lie on the Internet itsrobert Apr 2016 #11
No, it is a right wing smear tactic! insta8er Apr 2016 #14
some of this sounds plausible, except I have to say... renate Apr 2016 #12
Thanks. It appears to be an evolution of the ATS "I was paid to shill for Israel"... moriah Apr 2016 #13
+1 grossproffit Apr 2016 #15
This was posted in November. Reddit removed it for lack of proof. athena Apr 2016 #16
Here is more evidence that it's probably a lie: athena Apr 2016 #17
More evidence is contextual similarities to the "I was paid to shill for Israel" piece. moriah Apr 2016 #19
That isn't evidence of anything whatsoever dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #87
we've seen plenty of this amborin Apr 2016 #18
Made up shit on the internet ... yes, yes we have. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #20
yes, baseless smears from Hillary campaign paid trolls amborin Apr 2016 #21
Your post itself is a baseless smear. athena Apr 2016 #22
Poor baby. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #23
"submitted 5 months ago" Tarc Apr 2016 #24
Moreover, there is zero evidence for it. Reddit removed it for that reason. athena Apr 2016 #25
Why do people care about this sort of thing? It's simply modern day propaganda. LonePirate Apr 2016 #26
Gotta love that ya'll keep trying to recycle this bullshit. Reddit Sanders group removed that fairy JTFrog Apr 2016 #27
You don't have to read it, the methods however mentioned in this piece are spot on and insta8er Apr 2016 #28
I see very similar methods being used by Bernie supporters. athena Apr 2016 #33
So wait you are telling me what I can and cannot do? next thing you are going to tell me insta8er Apr 2016 #34
You are free to make logical fallacies. athena Apr 2016 #36
Just press that button man, stop wasting everyone's time. insta8er Apr 2016 #37
I'm not the one wasting people's time. athena Apr 2016 #38
Press that button.....shuuuuush...go irritate someone else.... insta8er Apr 2016 #39
Let's review what has happened here. athena Apr 2016 #46
If you post bullshit here, expect push back. You don't get to dictate who posts or responds to JTFrog Apr 2016 #59
Says the guy who just signed up and is spamming anti-Clinton propaganda. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #58
I saw this before, but I didn't really think about #5 very much. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #29
Posted without comment DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #30
Guys, just click the button if you don't like what you are seeing...very simple, easiest way to shut insta8er Apr 2016 #35
I have the right to post what I want. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #40
So do I....and you don't have to like it. insta8er Apr 2016 #41
It doesn't matter if I like what you post or you like what I post. Just don't tell me what to post. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #43
That was my line! where did I say what you could and could not post btw???? insta8er Apr 2016 #44
Please see Post# 43 DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #53
43 is your post, I said you don't have to like it which is a choice..like it or not..I am not tellin insta8er Apr 2016 #54
Not for long. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #60
Did you just threaten me? insta8er Apr 2016 #62
Nope. No need for that. You're doing fine all on your own. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #65
Sigh, I'm doing fine threatening myself? If you have something to say why not say it? insta8er Apr 2016 #66
Lol. JTFrog Apr 2016 #75
. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #31
Posted to now for chuckles later. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #32
Thanks. We're on alert for those kinds of misleading and disruptive propaganda postings. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #42
Like how the shill gang is using sexist smears, racial smears and such? I bet you guys didnt insta8er Apr 2016 #48
Care to explain how we know that this anonymous reddit poster is who s/he says s/he is? n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #47
Care to explain who you are? and why your opinion would matter to me in the slightest? insta8er Apr 2016 #49
I'm not claiming to be an insider with special knowledge. Your reddit poster is. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #50
And if you looked at the "talking points" you would have seen that he/she is spot on with what insta8er Apr 2016 #52
Maybe the poster got his or her ideas from here -- and places like DU. We don't know. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #55
Fact is that the race card is being used, the sexist card is being used in the exact way that this insta8er Apr 2016 #56
Fact is that there is a huge gender gap and race gap in the support between the two candidates. pnwmom Apr 2016 #57
Well, I can say that, as often as pnwmom and I have butted heads before in my 8 years... moriah Apr 2016 #61
Congratulations on your relationship with pnwmom, as to my posts insta8er Apr 2016 #63
You asked why her opinion should matter. moriah Apr 2016 #64
Here is what Reddit had to say about it: athena Apr 2016 #51
Lol Hydra Apr 2016 #67
So go report said "Usual Suspects"... moriah Apr 2016 #68
Why, so I can get jury results that ask why I alerted? Hydra Apr 2016 #70
I was more suggesting Admin/MIR.... moriah Apr 2016 #72
If you want to plant yourself in the camp with Brock's minions, feel free Hydra Apr 2016 #73
I'm stating my own opinions, and I don't care who agrees with me or not. moriah Apr 2016 #74
Obviously you do care who agrees with you, otherwise you wouldn't be upset about it Hydra Apr 2016 #77
I don't support paid trolls at all, but I also see no evidence for them... moriah Apr 2016 #79
Brock is paying for them. They are out there drawing paychecks Hydra Apr 2016 #80
Okay, so... if this exists, where does one sign up undercover? moriah Apr 2016 #81
*lmao* Hydra Apr 2016 #82
I'm sure that sending the endless emails I get take quite a few people. moriah Apr 2016 #83
Many Sanders' supporters picked this up on their own -- here is my post April 22 Samantha Apr 2016 #69
K n r ReasonableToo Apr 2016 #76
I always believe everything I read on the Intertubes. procon Apr 2016 #78
it must be true - someone posted it on the internet! auntpurl Apr 2016 #85
Cool story bro dlwickham Apr 2016 #86
God I can't stand this woman. nt MaeScott Apr 2016 #88

creon

(1,183 posts)
2. I am told
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:11 PM
Apr 2016

I am told; so I believe it.
I believe everything I am told; everything I read.

I am told:

Sanders supporters are paid to post.
Clinton supporters are paid to post.

Who pays them?

Vladimir Putin plays both of them.

Putin wants Trump to be POTUS.

Response to creon (Reply #2)

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
7. I am using these to respond to all of the things they trow at us (copy paste) in the end
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:20 PM
Apr 2016

we just need to reference the numbers.

renate

(13,776 posts)
12. some of this sounds plausible, except I have to say...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

... there's no proof that this is true.

A monitor of SandersForPresident on Reddit said this very thing:
Just to set the record straight....
The post was removed by us on /r/SandersForPresident because the OP failed to provide any proof of his employment with the Clinton campaign.
We didn't remove it for any other reason other than that. If he provides substantial proof that he is who he says he is, and that the campaign is implementing the strategy that he says they are, then we'd likely allow the content. But until then, it's no different than saying something like, "I met Obama at a bar once and he spit on my baby!"
Anyways. That's all. I've seen people suggest that we, the mods, are Hillary shills. This is false. We've been campaigning for Bernie since before Bernie even had a campaign. I wish I got paid for this work, though...


And he/she also said:
There was literally zero proof of it's validity.
It could be anyone making up anything and we'd be spreading it around as fact, and encouraging others to do so.
Largest pro-Bernie organization gets trolled and spreads around false conspiracy theory about Hillary.
or
Bernie supporters launch smear campaign against Hillary
That's a potential headline we're looking at. I mean, we've had plenty of news outlets cover our behavior (outcries about debate results, mostly) and it makes us look like a bunch of petulant children. And you're suggesting we want MORE of that?
The OP was asked to provide proof. ANY proof. Anything. He or she didn't even reply. That's a pretty big red flag if you ask me. You'd think someone who is so willing to convert people from Hillary to Bernie would also be willing to provide proof to make the argument even more compelling, right?


I don't doubt that there are people being paid to do something like this online, but I think it's only fair to point out that there's no proof of these particular claims.

I support Bernie because he's utterly ethical, and I think he wouldn't like to see something that's potentially a partial or complete lie being spread about her campaign.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
13. Thanks. It appears to be an evolution of the ATS "I was paid to shill for Israel"...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

.... never-proven bit.

athena

(4,187 posts)
16. This was posted in November. Reddit removed it for lack of proof.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251773551

Is there any evidence that it's true? I haven't been able to find any.

Here is an explanation of why it was removed by Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/

[–]Vermonty_Python 81 points 5 months ago

Just to set the record straight....

The post was removed by us on /r/SandersForPresident because the OP failed to provide any proof of his employment with the Clinton campaign.

We didn't remove it for any other reason other than that. If he provides substantial proof that he is who he says he is, and that the campaign is implementing the strategy that he says they are, then we'd likely allow the content. But until then, it's no different than saying something like, "I met Obama at a bar once and he spit on my baby!"

Anyways. That's all. I've seen people suggest that we, the mods, are Hillary shills. This is false. We've been campaigning for Bernie since before Bernie even had a campaign. I wish I got paid for this work, though...


(Emphases mine.)

Please stop spreading baseless conspiracy theories unless you can provide evidence to back them.

athena

(4,187 posts)
17. Here is more evidence that it's probably a lie:
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

from https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/

Vermonty_Python 21 points 5 months ago*

There was literally zero proof of it's validity.

It could be anyone making up anything and we'd be spreading it around as fact, and encouraging others to do so.

Largest pro-Bernie organization gets trolled and spreads around false conspiracy theory about Hillary.

or

Bernie supporters launch smear campaign against Hillary

That's a potential headline we're looking at. I mean, we've had plenty of news outlets cover our behavior (outcries about debate results, mostly) and it makes us look like a bunch of petulant children. And you're suggesting we want MORE of that?

The OP was asked to provide proof. ANY proof. Anything. He or she didn't even reply. That's a pretty big red flag if you ask me. You'd think someone who is so willing to convert people from Hillary to Bernie would also be willing to provide proof to make the argument even more compelling, right?


(Emphases mine.)

moriah

(8,311 posts)
19. More evidence is contextual similarities to the "I was paid to shill for Israel" piece.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

ATS article:

I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.


Reddit:

As of today, I am officially a former "digital media specialist" (a nice way to say "paid Internet troll&quot previously employed by Hillary Clinton's campaign (through a PR firm). I'm posting here today as a confession of sorts because I can no longer continue to participate in something that has become morally-indigestible for me.


ATS:


My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).


Reddit:



wasn't really planning on getting involved in this cycle until I was contacted by a friend from college around six months ago about working on Hillary's campaign.
I was skeptical at first (especially after my experience as an unpaid volunteer in 2008), but I eventually came around. The work time and payment was flexible, and I figured that I could bring in a little extra money writing about things I supported anyways.


ATS:


And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”


Reddit:

At first, the work was fun and mostly unsupervised. I posted mostly positive things about Hillary and didn't engage in much negativity. Around the middle of July, however, I received notification that the team would be focusing not on pro-Hillary forum management, but on "mitigation" (the term our team leader used) for a Vermont senator named Bernie Sanders. I'd been out of college for several years and hadn't heard much about Sanders, and so I decided to do some research to get a feel for him.
To be honest, I was skeptical of what Sanders was saying at the beginning, and didn't have much of a problem pointing out the reasons why I believed that Hillary was the better candidate.


ATS:

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda?


Reddit:

I had one of those "what are you doing with your life" moments. When even the scum of 4chan think that your candidate is too scummy for their tastes, you need to take a good hard look at your life. Then this morning I read that the National Association of Broadcasters were bankrolling both Clinton and Rubio, and that broke the camel's back. I emailed my resignation this morning.


Sure, it's not exactly the same, but when people spout extremely similar stories, and neither offer any proof at all, and even the Sanders Reddit agrees it was most likely a fraud....

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
87. That isn't evidence of anything whatsoever
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

Lack of supporting evidence is far different than evidence that it's probably a lie.

athena

(4,187 posts)
22. Your post itself is a baseless smear.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:19 PM
Apr 2016

Provide proof that any of us Hillary supporters here are paid. Claiming that we are paid is an outrageous and offensive lie.

In the real world, it would be called libel.

If you have proof that anyone is paid, provide it. If it's true, you should be able to find someone who is willing to admit it. In the absence of proof, stop making baseless accusations.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. Poor baby.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:19 PM
Apr 2016

Your candidate is losing.

Meanwhile, you search the net for all manner of old recycled outrage hoping to maybe make something stick.

Don't you think a paid troll would post many, many outrage OPs?

I do.

LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
26. Why do people care about this sort of thing? It's simply modern day propaganda.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

People simply need to learn to recognize it as such and move on.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
27. Gotta love that ya'll keep trying to recycle this bullshit. Reddit Sanders group removed that fairy
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

tale because the guy never offered any proof.

But you can't expect that kind of integrity here.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
28. You don't have to read it, the methods however mentioned in this piece are spot on and
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

you can witness them on this board in real time.

athena

(4,187 posts)
33. I see very similar methods being used by Bernie supporters.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

Much more often, in fact, than by Hillary supporters. I don't, however, claim that Bernie supporters are paid.

Just because something sounds right to you doesn't mean it's true.

Please refrain from posting baseless smears. Or, if you must do so, do it at Free Republic.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
34. So wait you are telling me what I can and cannot do? next thing you are going to tell me
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

what I cant and cannot say right? and how baseless are these points as I can show you numerous posts where the exact thing is happening. Please move on, don't read my posts if you find them offending.

athena

(4,187 posts)
36. You are free to make logical fallacies.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

Don't expect to convince anyone with them.

You're claiming that the points in the post appear to be true, and suggesting that that means the smear is true. That's like saying the Earth appears flat to you and therefore it must be flat. I pointed out earlier that Reddit itself removed the post because they couldn't verify it. Yet you keep pretending the smear is true. That is what is called lack of intellectual integrity.

athena

(4,187 posts)
38. I'm not the one wasting people's time.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

Spreading falsehoods, and doing so knowingly, is what wastes people's time.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
39. Press that button.....shuuuuush...go irritate someone else....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

And they are not falsehoods, plenty of posts that will show you the attack line verbatim.

athena

(4,187 posts)
46. Let's review what has happened here.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

Let's review what happened:
1. You posted a falsehood.
2. I provided evidence that what you posted was a falsehood.
3. You ignored the evidence and made a logically fallacious argument.
4. I pointed out the logical fallacy in your argument.
5. You ignored my point and are telling me to ignore you.
If you think this proves anything but the weakness of your own position, you're kidding yourself.

Incidentally, you're the one using the types of tactics that you claim paid Hillary supporters use. The great thing about all this, of course, is that they don't actually work.



Why don't you go and press that button if you like it so much?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
59. If you post bullshit here, expect push back. You don't get to dictate who posts or responds to
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:57 PM
Apr 2016

your nonsense.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
29. I saw this before, but I didn't really think about #5 very much.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

But now, in retrospect it makes perfect sense. Go troll a righwing board such as discussionist with Sanders posts and you get general agreement (i.e. "at least we can agree that something needs to change and Clinton sucks&quot

You'll immediately find that right wingers would prefer a socialist to Clinton or even most of the Republican field.

Not even the Koch brothers are gonna get conservatives to vote for Clinton - nor many independents for that matter.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
30. Posted without comment
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016
From Daily Kos Staff: (9:15 PM Pacific) The original author of this piece, quoted here in full, was suspended by the admins of /r/SandersForPresident subreddit for using multiple different fake IDs (but same IP address) and numerous claims of being a shill from big oil to airline companies, he/she issued repeated mea culpas about life as a shill. This post is five months old and has been debunked numerous times. In general, linking /r/conspiracy is not a good idea. The diarist was asked three hours ago to unpublish his diary. He has not so he has been banned for posting CT, which against our rules.


http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/24/1519540/-Paid-Clinton-Troll-Speaks-out-I-was-aghast-at-what-I-saw
 

insta8er

(960 posts)
35. Guys, just click the button if you don't like what you are seeing...very simple, easiest way to shut
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:33 PM
Apr 2016

anyone up..because that is what we do in a democratic society, we shut people up that have a different opinion. While the post might have been mentioned in the past, the content is very much active on this board. The sexist card, the racial card .. all of which have been used by the Hillsquad.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
43. It doesn't matter if I like what you post or you like what I post. Just don't tell me what to post.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you for the instruction though.


Have a nice week.


 

insta8er

(960 posts)
54. 43 is your post, I said you don't have to like it which is a choice..like it or not..I am not tellin
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

g you to like something...neither am I telling you to not like something. Sigh...I am sorry but you just answered why you support your candidate in this one post.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
48. Like how the shill gang is using sexist smears, racial smears and such? I bet you guys didnt
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

even read it. And I am so glad you are on the alert...did you press the button already? maybe that will make something you don't like go away.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
52. And if you looked at the "talking points" you would have seen that he/she is spot on with what
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

is happening here, VERBATIM.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
56. Fact is that the race card is being used, the sexist card is being used in the exact way that this
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

person is claiming how it should be used.

pnwmom

(108,880 posts)
57. Fact is that there is a huge gender gap and race gap in the support between the two candidates.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

That wasn't made up by the Hillary campaign.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
61. Well, I can say that, as often as pnwmom and I have butted heads before in my 8 years...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:11 PM
Apr 2016

.... that she has been a great contributor to this forum for quite a lot longer than I've seen you around.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
63. Congratulations on your relationship with pnwmom, as to my posts
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

Please feel free to put me on your ignore list...or not. Whatever makes you happy. And congrats on your 8 years posting here.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
64. You asked why her opinion should matter.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

My response was to say that one reason it might, and why I read her posts, was that she has been here a long time and has demonstrated she is very capable of debating even contentious issues without having to go below the belt to make her points.

For people who like to have civil, intelligent discussions, she's a good person to consider reading.

Sadly, I don't know whether your hides have been from below-the-belt personal attacks or from partisan juries. I haven't taken the time or interest to stalk your posts, and I am no longer on MIR so it's not a volunteer duty for me to investigate new posters either.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
67. Lol
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:58 PM
Apr 2016

I see all of the usual suspects showed up to say how this was inaccurate...because they are busy doing it.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
68. So go report said "Usual Suspects"...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

... and stop ad-hominem attacks.

It just makes DU suck otherwise.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
70. Why, so I can get jury results that ask why I alerted?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

I already know this behavior is sanctioned by the the site, or these people wouldn't be here now. Some of them have 7-11+ hides on their transparency and used to be on one timeout after the other.

DU doesn't suck, it's just in the middle of an identity crisis right now. I'm sure it will all clear up after the convention.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
72. I was more suggesting Admin/MIR....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

.... because I, with no hides ever, experience on MIR, and a pretty decent post count have been accused of working with the shadowy cabal that people are accusing of trying to destroy DU because thry support Hillary.

The accusation of being a shill of any stripe is a personal, ad-hominem attack. There are people who are supposed to deal with them, and so report them there. But it's no excuse to justify your own incivility or inability to come up with a better argument.

You aren't responsible for anyone's behavior but your own.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
73. If you want to plant yourself in the camp with Brock's minions, feel free
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:22 PM
Apr 2016

It's out in the open that he is paying people to troll non-Hillary supporters. We've had the playbook for months. We've watched talking point after talking point rolled out in a coordinated fashion here and then later on the MSM. If you support that behavior, by all means, help them continue!

What's the worst that could happen?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
74. I'm stating my own opinions, and I don't care who agrees with me or not.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

But if ststing my opinions is somehow making me part of a conspiracy just because I support Hillary, Trump's hair is both real, his, and hair. And stylish.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
77. Obviously you do care who agrees with you, otherwise you wouldn't be upset about it
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

But I fail to see how that translates to supporting paid trolls. Do you feel Hillary Clinton needs that sort of advocacy to win? It's the kind of thing I'd expect from the Bush Family.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
79. I don't support paid trolls at all, but I also see no evidence for them...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

.... especially in this rehash from /r/conspiracy that the official Bernie Reddit disclaimed months ago.

I also see remarkable similarities to a much better written hit piece about far more likely ways paid trolls would actually operate, that I thought of when I saw this one months back. It has been retracted by its author for being over the top as well as unproven.

Here's that link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread826545/pg1

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
80. Brock is paying for them. They are out there drawing paychecks
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

Are you or are you not supporting that? A Hillary "No, but..." is certainly not unexpected, but does not answer the question.

Should Hillary call Brock and tell him to knock it off?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
81. Okay, so... if this exists, where does one sign up undercover?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016

Correct the Record, which I receive emails and reqests to FB and Tweet stuff favorable to Clinton since I'm a supporter, hasn't been suggesting a Pay Per Tweet to me, at least...

I've never seen job postings...

So let's look.at the actual project proposed by Brock, shall we? To invest a millon more into people making graphics and sending to Hillary supporters, posting on CTR and emailing people to get them to spread the word.

Not to start some kind of paid posting brigade.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
82. *lmao*
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:25 AM
Apr 2016

They paid $1 Million for those lame graphics and a retread of the "Love and Kindness" meme that failed so well a few weeks ago?

Now I've heard it all.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
83. I'm sure that sending the endless emails I get take quite a few people.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

Really, if they're paying people, it's going to be to spam our inboxes. Which I've gotten used to in election years.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
69. Many Sanders' supporters picked this up on their own -- here is my post April 22
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1810545

It is a massive psychological warfare plan designed to demoralize Bernie supporters

Just ignore them.

The second group of people they target with this propaganda is people who have not yet voted. Convince them Sanders cannot win and they will swing to Clinton. After all, who wants to waste their vote by casting it for a loser?

And the third thing is a real stunner. The most effective way to disable the Sanders' campaign is to take down his core donors willingness to donate. Break his bank. And that is exactly why the Clinton campaign has sent out her surrogates to loudly proclaim his taking money from supporters when he clearly has no path to winning is a fraud. My response to that was to take a look at my finances yesterday and see what I could afford to donate. And donate I did. I hope everyone does this. Make those people pay for their asinine comments by giving Sanders the support you can. Ironically, this propaganda coming from the Clinton campaign then only serves to enrich Sanders' ability to continue to compete.


Sam

procon

(15,805 posts)
78. I always believe everything I read on the Intertubes.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

Now, let me tell you about the secret CIA lab under the White House where an army of thousands of Hillary clones are awaiting her orders to round up all Bernie fans and herd them into those abandoned FEMA camps for reeducation and indoctrination. No... really, it was on the Intertubes!

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