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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:11 AM Apr 2016

There is an underlying evil lurking on this forum. How can some of you support...

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Goblinmonger (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

...a continuation of the status quo? How can some of you support oligarchy?

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There is an underlying evil lurking on this forum. How can some of you support... (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 OP
For the fucking love of god this is stupid mythology Apr 2016 #1
Oh, you oligarchy-supporting evil one! randome Apr 2016 #5
Nope JackInGreen Apr 2016 #9
KILLING PEOPLE IS SO FUNNY! XemaSab Apr 2016 #26
Nobody shed a tear for that mass-murdering terrorist coddling dictator Dem2 Apr 2016 #43
An "underlying evil lurking" ? Oh the drama......LOL Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2
Don't lose mad...just lose. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #3
lol nt auntpurl Apr 2016 #27
''War is a Racket.'' -- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC Octafish Apr 2016 #4
Looks like a great read... jmg257 Apr 2016 #15
Great read. Great man. Great patriot who stopped the fascist coup to overthrow FDR. Octafish Apr 2016 #36
Hyperbole is literally the greatest thing Codeine Apr 2016 #6
DUZY! Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #21
So disagreeing with you makes me evil? hack89 Apr 2016 #7
The black and white mentality is amazing Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #29
I declare that Bernie Sanders hates babies. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #8
How do they support baby haters? Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #32
I don't casperthegm Apr 2016 #10
The party needs to get elected first splat Apr 2016 #24
It has been here for a while PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #11
"underlying evil lurking" splat Apr 2016 #12
Do they run a contest for the best substantive post from a Hillary supporter? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #17
Of course. Here's a link. splat Apr 2016 #30
It was a dark and stormy night... SidDithers Apr 2016 #23
Some people actually benefit from the status quo or they haven't been burned by it (yet). nt antigop Apr 2016 #13
Rightwingers don't give a sh*t about others. RiverLover Apr 2016 #28
The funny thing here is, Hillary is a 1 and Bernie a 1a, really Tarc Apr 2016 #14
"evil"?? DCBob Apr 2016 #16
Wut?... SidDithers Apr 2016 #18
Cowards, soldiers, or dupes. DeGreg Apr 2016 #19
Gordon Geckoism is alive and well. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #20
I support Hillary Clinton. #hillyes nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #22
He said sitting in his throne on the right hand of God. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #25
OMG NO NOT EVIL auntpurl Apr 2016 #31
I think evil is a bit over the top. Punkingal Apr 2016 #33
Because we don't want the movement co-opted by DC Onlooker Apr 2016 #34
This place is becoming a left wing version of Free Republic nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #35
+1. nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #41
There is an underlying hyperbole lurking on this forum! How can some of you exaggerate... FSogol Apr 2016 #37
I guess you won't respond to anyone, but yes, the EVIL IS HERE! IT WAS ALWAYS HERE! snooper2 Apr 2016 #38
"A spectre is haunting" DU..... Tanuki Apr 2016 #39
Little early in the day to jump the shark, but hey-- whatever we can do to get attention... LanternWaste Apr 2016 #40
Locking Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #42
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
1. For the fucking love of god this is stupid
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton doesn't curb stomp kittens

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Oh, you oligarchy-supporting evil one!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
9. Nope
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

That's bold evil, creeping evil is her disdainful chuckle and loving pronouncements of death to "our" enemies. Evil is thinking that picking a kinder devil is picking an angel.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
26. KILLING PEOPLE IS SO FUNNY!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

Dem2

(8,164 posts)
43. Nobody shed a tear for that mass-murdering terrorist coddling dictator
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry, I don't coddle dictators.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. An "underlying evil lurking" ? Oh the drama......LOL
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

LexVegas

(5,986 posts)
3. Don't lose mad...just lose. nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
27. lol nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. ''War is a Racket.'' -- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

"Money trumps peace." -- Pretzeldent George W Bush, AWOL

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
15. Looks like a great read...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

"In War Is A Racket (1935), Butler points to a variety of examples, mostly from World War I, where industrialists, whose operations were subsidised by public funding, were able to generate substantial profits, making money from mass human suffering.

It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war. The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labour before the nation's manhood can be conscripted. … Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our steel companies and our munitions makers and our ship-builders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted..."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
36. Great read. Great man. Great patriot who stopped the fascist coup to overthrow FDR.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks for grokking, jmg257!



Smedley Butler on Interventionism

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

SOURCE: http://fas.org/man/smedley.htm


Read the good general's book, "War is a Racket," courtesy of Ratical: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Here's a bit about the coup:

The Plot to Sieze the White House

by Jules Archer

Hawthorn Books: New York
244 pp.

Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940) blew the whistle on the little- known plot of the title. He was on public television the fall of 1993 in "The Road to Rock Bottom"--Part 2 of The Great Depression series (Blackside production). Near the end it shows Butler in shirtsleeves, urging on 10,000 of the war veterans who had marched to Washington and camped in Anacostia DC. It was July 1932. The Bonus Army asked for early payment of moneys promised for 1945. "Some were the same men who had fought under Smedley Butler in the Spanish-American War, the Philippines campaign, the Boxer Rebellion, ...Caribbean interventions, the Chinese intervention of 1927-8, and World War I" (p 3).

Butler, a major general at 48, retired from the Marine Corps in 1931. He had faced gunfire 120 times. Columnist Will Rogers wrote of Butler, "He is what I would call a natural born warrior. He will fight anybody, any time....He carries every medal we ever gave out. He has two Congressional Medals of Honor....You give him another war and he will get him another one....I do admire him" (p 116).

Except the two years in China, Butler spent the last third of his service in police work and administration. During this time a disillusion with war spread through Europe and America. The mood fed on books like ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT and MERCHANTS OF DEATH.

August 21, 1931, Butler spoke to an American Legion convention in New Britain CT. Looking back, he reflected on his career. His remarks stunned the audience. Few papers dared report even part of the speech:

"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....

"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..." (p 118).

CONTINUED...

http://www.eclectica.org/v1n1/reviews/wharton_plot.html



The story of how Gen Smedley Butler exposed an American Fascist conspiracy to overthrow FDR NEVER GETS MENTIONED in the contemporary college curriculum or what passes for journalism, nor historic context on the nightly news, either.

And that is a shame.

Those Democrats -- and pukes and pindependents -- who give a damn about democracy will see that his story is told, which is why DU is so important. This place spreads the Truth about the fascist bastards, whose sons and grandsons, and those of their cronies continue to haunt America.

To those who stand in the way of its message: Go to hell.
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
6. Hyperbole is literally the greatest thing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

in the entire history of the universe.

Stuckinthebush

(10,797 posts)
21. DUZY!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016


Thank you!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. So disagreeing with you makes me evil?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

I can't wait for the primaries to be over and the burning stupidity to end. It is like Bernie has short circuited people's ability to reason.

Stuckinthebush

(10,797 posts)
29. The black and white mentality is amazing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure there is some psychological theory that explains it. It is easier to support a candidate if you feel he or she is the white knight out to vanquish evil, I guess.

We see this every primary. When Sanders concedes and supports Hillary - which he will - then we will see healing begin and delusions of evil subside.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
8. I declare that Bernie Sanders hates babies.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

Why do you support baby-hating, Sanders supporters?

Stuckinthebush

(10,797 posts)
32. How do they support baby haters?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

It distresses me so.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
10. I don't
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

Win or lose this primary nomination, supporters of Bernie Sanders are not going away. This is bigger than one man running for President. We either get the Democratic Party to move back to the left and embrace what it should be; no fracking, no regime change policies, no bad trade deals, no Citizens United, healthcare for all, and regulate Wall Street, just to name a few.

If the party refuses to return to what it should be then I see it as the party leaving us, not us leaving the party. And then it will be time for a new party. It's drastic, and I hope it doesn't come to that. But we can no longer tolerate a party that answers to Wall Street at the expense of Main Street.

splat

(2,277 posts)
24. The party needs to get elected first
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

Then it intends to move left. (Letting Bernie voice that was the clue.)

But the party has historically lost with the left msg (cf. McGovern et al). Win, and you can govern from the left.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
11. It has been here for a while
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

I left DU for a long time in 2012 because this place was overrun with right wingers.

Good to see Bernie's run bringing out the lefties again.

splat

(2,277 posts)
12. "underlying evil lurking"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

You should submit that sentence to the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, "a whimsical literary competition that challenges entrants to compose the opening sentence to the worst of all possible novels. "

http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
17. Do they run a contest for the best substantive post from a Hillary supporter?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

And if so, are there any entries?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
23. It was a dark and stormy night...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

They've published a couple books, I think, of the winners. Fun reading.



Sid

antigop

(12,778 posts)
13. Some people actually benefit from the status quo or they haven't been burned by it (yet). nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
28. Rightwingers don't give a sh*t about others.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

GO Bernie!!

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
14. The funny thing here is, Hillary is a 1 and Bernie a 1a, really
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

There's not that much of a difference between the two on most issues, despite the desperate caterwauling of the Sanders crew to the contrary. I prefer Hillary, but it isn't by a Grand Canyon sized margin.

We're all on the same side here, and there is a canyon-sized difference between 1/1A and the -100 on the GOP side.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
16. "evil"??
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

You have lost it.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
18. Wut?...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016


Sid
 

DeGreg

(72 posts)
19. Cowards, soldiers, or dupes.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
20. Gordon Geckoism is alive and well.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

I don't get how the party can stubbornly push a nominee who is under FBI investigation. It's equal to, if not worse than, the Nixon era -- and they were Repubs!

How far we Dems have fallen under the Third Way!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. I support Hillary Clinton. #hillyes nt.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. He said sitting in his throne on the right hand of God.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
31. OMG NO NOT EVIL
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

What are you even saying???

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
33. I think evil is a bit over the top.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

I'm frustrated like you are, but I think a different word choice is in order.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
34. Because we don't want the movement co-opted by DC
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

If Hillary wins the General Election, than Sanders and Trump supporters may unite. If Sanders wins, we'll see the same thing that happened to Obama. Obama won, the movement got co-opted, and in both 2010 and 2014 only 20% of millennials bothered to vote (54-43% Democratic), which led to the demise of the Obama movement.

If you want a political revolution, hope that Hillary wins and that the Trump and Sanders supporters create a powerful social movement.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
35. This place is becoming a left wing version of Free Republic nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
41. +1. nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

FSogol

(45,258 posts)
37. There is an underlying hyperbole lurking on this forum! How can some of you exaggerate...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
38. I guess you won't respond to anyone, but yes, the EVIL IS HERE! IT WAS ALWAYS HERE!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

With each State voting, it gets closer , and CLOSER AND CLOSER TO REARING IT'S UGLY HEAD!

WE MUST STOP THE EVIL!





Tanuki

(14,865 posts)
39. "A spectre is haunting" DU.....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. Little early in the day to jump the shark, but hey-- whatever we can do to get attention...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

It's mentally lazy to assign the status of evil to a demographic simply because they choose candidate A over candidate B. No doubt, you're an intelligent individual. but you're allowing your biases to cloud critical thought.

It's an irrational ideal which is little more than self-validating nonsense. Little early in the day to jump the shark, but hey-- whatever we can do to get the attention we crave.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
42. Locking
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016
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