Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:11 AM
ChisolmTrailDem (9,463 posts)
There is an underlying evil lurking on this forum. How can some of you support...This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Goblinmonger (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).
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ChisolmTrailDem | Apr 2016 | OP |
mythology | Apr 2016 | #1 | |
randome | Apr 2016 | #5 | |
JackInGreen | Apr 2016 | #9 | |
XemaSab | Apr 2016 | #26 | |
Dem2 | Apr 2016 | #43 | |
Trust Buster | Apr 2016 | #2 | |
LexVegas | Apr 2016 | #3 | |
auntpurl | Apr 2016 | #27 | |
Octafish | Apr 2016 | #4 | |
jmg257 | Apr 2016 | #15 | |
Octafish | Apr 2016 | #36 | |
Codeine | Apr 2016 | #6 | |
Stuckinthebush | Apr 2016 | #21 | |
hack89 | Apr 2016 | #7 | |
Stuckinthebush | Apr 2016 | #29 | |
NuclearDem | Apr 2016 | #8 | |
Stuckinthebush | Apr 2016 | #32 | |
casperthegm | Apr 2016 | #10 | |
splat | Apr 2016 | #24 | |
PowerToThePeople | Apr 2016 | #11 | |
splat | Apr 2016 | #12 | |
BernieforPres2016 | Apr 2016 | #17 | |
splat | Apr 2016 | #30 | |
SidDithers | Apr 2016 | #23 | |
antigop | Apr 2016 | #13 | |
RiverLover | Apr 2016 | #28 | |
Tarc | Apr 2016 | #14 | |
DCBob | Apr 2016 | #16 | |
SidDithers | Apr 2016 | #18 | |
DeGreg | Apr 2016 | #19 | |
Waiting For Everyman | Apr 2016 | #20 | |
NCTraveler | Apr 2016 | #22 | |
JoePhilly | Apr 2016 | #25 | |
auntpurl | Apr 2016 | #31 | |
Punkingal | Apr 2016 | #33 | |
Onlooker | Apr 2016 | #34 | |
firebrand80 | Apr 2016 | #35 | |
sufrommich | Apr 2016 | #41 | |
FSogol | Apr 2016 | #37 | |
snooper2 | Apr 2016 | #38 | |
Tanuki | Apr 2016 | #39 | |
LanternWaste | Apr 2016 | #40 | |
Goblinmonger | Apr 2016 | #42 |
Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:12 AM
mythology (9,527 posts)
1. For the fucking love of god this is stupid
Clinton doesn't curb stomp kittens
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Response to mythology (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
randome (34,845 posts)
5. Oh, you oligarchy-supporting evil one!
![]() [hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures. The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this: "Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr] |
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Response to mythology (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
JackInGreen (2,973 posts)
9. Nope
That's bold evil, creeping evil is her disdainful chuckle and loving pronouncements of death to "our" enemies. Evil is thinking that picking a kinder devil is picking an angel.
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Response to mythology (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
XemaSab (60,212 posts)
26. KILLING PEOPLE IS SO FUNNY!
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Response to XemaSab (Reply #26)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
Dem2 (8,054 posts)
43. Nobody shed a tear for that mass-murdering terrorist coddling dictator
Sorry, I don't coddle dictators.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
Trust Buster (7,299 posts)
2. An "underlying evil lurking" ? Oh the drama......LOL
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
LexVegas (5,128 posts)
3. Don't lose mad...just lose. nt
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Response to LexVegas (Reply #3)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
auntpurl (4,311 posts)
27. lol nt
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Octafish (55,745 posts)
4. ''War is a Racket.'' -- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC
"Money trumps peace." -- Pretzeldent George W Bush, AWOL
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Response to Octafish (Reply #4)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
jmg257 (11,822 posts)
15. Looks like a great read...
"In War Is A Racket (1935), Butler points to a variety of examples, mostly from World War I, where industrialists, whose operations were subsidised by public funding, were able to generate substantial profits, making money from mass human suffering.
It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war. The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labour before the nation's manhood can be conscripted. … Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our steel companies and our munitions makers and our ship-builders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket |
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Response to jmg257 (Reply #15)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
Octafish (55,745 posts)
36. Great read. Great man. Great patriot who stopped the fascist coup to overthrow FDR.
Thanks for grokking, jmg257!
![]() Smedley Butler on Interventionism
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. -- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. SOURCE: http://fas.org/man/smedley.htm Read the good general's book, "War is a Racket," courtesy of Ratical: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html Here's a bit about the coup: The Plot to Sieze the White House
by Jules Archer Hawthorn Books: New York 244 pp. Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940) blew the whistle on the little- known plot of the title. He was on public television the fall of 1993 in "The Road to Rock Bottom"--Part 2 of The Great Depression series (Blackside production). Near the end it shows Butler in shirtsleeves, urging on 10,000 of the war veterans who had marched to Washington and camped in Anacostia DC. It was July 1932. The Bonus Army asked for early payment of moneys promised for 1945. "Some were the same men who had fought under Smedley Butler in the Spanish-American War, the Philippines campaign, the Boxer Rebellion, ...Caribbean interventions, the Chinese intervention of 1927-8, and World War I" (p 3). Butler, a major general at 48, retired from the Marine Corps in 1931. He had faced gunfire 120 times. Columnist Will Rogers wrote of Butler, "He is what I would call a natural born warrior. He will fight anybody, any time....He carries every medal we ever gave out. He has two Congressional Medals of Honor....You give him another war and he will get him another one....I do admire him" (p 116). Except the two years in China, Butler spent the last third of his service in police work and administration. During this time a disillusion with war spread through Europe and America. The mood fed on books like ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT and MERCHANTS OF DEATH. August 21, 1931, Butler spoke to an American Legion convention in New Britain CT. Looking back, he reflected on his career. His remarks stunned the audience. Few papers dared report even part of the speech: "I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism.... "I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.... "In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..." (p 118). CONTINUED... http://www.eclectica.org/v1n1/reviews/wharton_plot.html The story of how Gen Smedley Butler exposed an American Fascist conspiracy to overthrow FDR NEVER GETS MENTIONED in the contemporary college curriculum or what passes for journalism, nor historic context on the nightly news, either. And that is a shame. Those Democrats -- and pukes and pindependents -- who give a damn about democracy will see that his story is told, which is why DU is so important. This place spreads the Truth about the fascist bastards, whose sons and grandsons, and those of their cronies continue to haunt America. To those who stand in the way of its message: Go to hell. |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
Codeine (25,586 posts)
6. Hyperbole is literally the greatest thing
in the entire history of the universe.
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Response to Codeine (Reply #6)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:20 AM
Stuckinthebush (10,605 posts)
21. DUZY!
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
hack89 (38,572 posts)
7. So disagreeing with you makes me evil?
I can't wait for the primaries to be over and the burning stupidity to end. It is like Bernie has short circuited people's ability to reason.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #7)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
Stuckinthebush (10,605 posts)
29. The black and white mentality is amazing
I'm sure there is some psychological theory that explains it. It is easier to support a candidate if you feel he or she is the white knight out to vanquish evil, I guess.
We see this every primary. When Sanders concedes and supports Hillary - which he will - then we will see healing begin and delusions of evil subside. |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:14 AM
NuclearDem (16,184 posts)
8. I declare that Bernie Sanders hates babies.
Why do you support baby-hating, Sanders supporters?
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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #8)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Stuckinthebush (10,605 posts)
32. How do they support baby haters?
It distresses me so.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
casperthegm (643 posts)
10. I don't
Win or lose this primary nomination, supporters of Bernie Sanders are not going away. This is bigger than one man running for President. We either get the Democratic Party to move back to the left and embrace what it should be; no fracking, no regime change policies, no bad trade deals, no Citizens United, healthcare for all, and regulate Wall Street, just to name a few.
If the party refuses to return to what it should be then I see it as the party leaving us, not us leaving the party. And then it will be time for a new party. It's drastic, and I hope it doesn't come to that. But we can no longer tolerate a party that answers to Wall Street at the expense of Main Street. |
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Response to casperthegm (Reply #10)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
splat (2,205 posts)
24. The party needs to get elected first
Then it intends to move left. (Letting Bernie voice that was the clue.)
But the party has historically lost with the left msg (cf. McGovern et al). Win, and you can govern from the left. |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:16 AM
PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)
11. It has been here for a while
I left DU for a long time in 2012 because this place was overrun with right wingers.
Good to see Bernie's run bringing out the lefties again. |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
splat (2,205 posts)
12. "underlying evil lurking"
You should submit that sentence to the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, "a whimsical literary competition that challenges entrants to compose the opening sentence to the worst of all possible novels. "
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Response to splat (Reply #12)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
BernieforPres2016 (3,017 posts)
17. Do they run a contest for the best substantive post from a Hillary supporter?
And if so, are there any entries?
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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #17)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
splat (2,205 posts)
30. Of course. Here's a link.
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Response to splat (Reply #12)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:20 AM
SidDithers (44,051 posts)
23. It was a dark and stormy night...
They've published a couple books, I think, of the winners. Fun reading.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
antigop (12,778 posts)
13. Some people actually benefit from the status quo or they haven't been burned by it (yet). nt
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Response to antigop (Reply #13)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:22 AM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
28. Rightwingers don't give a sh*t about others.
GO Bernie!!
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
Tarc (9,794 posts)
14. The funny thing here is, Hillary is a 1 and Bernie a 1a, really
There's not that much of a difference between the two on most issues, despite the desperate caterwauling of the Sanders crew to the contrary. I prefer Hillary, but it isn't by a Grand Canyon sized margin.
We're all on the same side here, and there is a canyon-sized difference between 1/1A and the -100 on the GOP side. |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
DCBob (24,689 posts)
16. "evil"??
You have lost it.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
SidDithers (44,051 posts)
18. Wut?...
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
DeGreg (72 posts)
19. Cowards, soldiers, or dupes.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 AM
Waiting For Everyman (9,385 posts)
20. Gordon Geckoism is alive and well.
I don't get how the party can stubbornly push a nominee who is under FBI investigation. It's equal to, if not worse than, the Nixon era -- and they were Repubs!
How far we Dems have fallen under the Third Way! |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:20 AM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
22. I support Hillary Clinton. #hillyes nt.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
25. He said sitting in his throne on the right hand of God.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
auntpurl (4,311 posts)
31. OMG NO NOT EVIL
What are you even saying???
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Punkingal (9,522 posts)
33. I think evil is a bit over the top.
I'm frustrated like you are, but I think a different word choice is in order.
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
Onlooker (5,636 posts)
34. Because we don't want the movement co-opted by DC
If Hillary wins the General Election, than Sanders and Trump supporters may unite. If Sanders wins, we'll see the same thing that happened to Obama. Obama won, the movement got co-opted, and in both 2010 and 2014 only 20% of millennials bothered to vote (54-43% Democratic), which led to the demise of the Obama movement.
If you want a political revolution, hope that Hillary wins and that the Trump and Sanders supporters create a powerful social movement. |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
firebrand80 (2,760 posts)
35. This place is becoming a left wing version of Free Republic nt
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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #35)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
41. +1. nt
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:25 AM
FSogol (40,682 posts)
37. There is an underlying hyperbole lurking on this forum! How can some of you exaggerate...
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:26 AM
snooper2 (30,151 posts)
38. I guess you won't respond to anyone, but yes, the EVIL IS HERE! IT WAS ALWAYS HERE!
With each State voting, it gets closer , and CLOSER AND CLOSER TO REARING IT'S UGLY HEAD!
WE MUST STOP THE EVIL! ![]() ![]() |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:27 AM
Tanuki (12,165 posts)
39. "A spectre is haunting" DU.....
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:27 AM
LanternWaste (36,768 posts)
40. Little early in the day to jump the shark, but hey-- whatever we can do to get attention...
It's mentally lazy to assign the status of evil to a demographic simply because they choose candidate A over candidate B. No doubt, you're an intelligent individual. but you're allowing your biases to cloud critical thought.
It's an irrational ideal which is little more than self-validating nonsense. Little early in the day to jump the shark, but hey-- whatever we can do to get the attention we crave. ![]() |
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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Original post)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:28 AM
Goblinmonger (22,340 posts)
42. Locking
A forum for general discussion of the Democratic presidential primaries. Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden. |
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