Did Hillary just admit she's not the better candidate?

[pinebox]

a few responses.....

[Armstead]

1. At this point I'd settle for the halfway decent....But that too is a "pony" according to Clinton

[pinebox]

4. yup

[CorporatistNation]

52. Finally Hillary Is Honest With The Public About Something...

! Freudian slip? Hmmm?

[daleanime]

58. +1

[DanTex]

2. Nope. She's saying that policies that actually work are better than pie-in-the-sky fantasies.

[dogman]

14. Why are they hurting?

MPG. Money ,power, and glory. Things she knows all about. If we had the transcripts we could see how she told them to cut it out.

[Kelvin Mace]

20. Unless you are on the receiving end of those policies

See: Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Libya. When those policies "work", lots of innocent people die.

[SheenaR]

21. I'm in a good mood today

I get what you are saying, I honestly do. But what does it say that policies that every developed Western nation has but us are considered pie-in-the sky? These are birth rights to everyone else but us. Why is so crazy to want the same? We are so used to getting screwed that we mock these basic rights as "free stuff"

[2cannan]

39. That's what I liked about what Susan Sarandon had to say the other night

on All in With Chris Hayes. She said:

"And you look if you want to go see Michael Moore's documentary, you'll see it's pretty funny the way they describe it. But you`ll see that health care and education in all these other countries, we've been told for so long that it's impossible, it's like we've been in this bad relationship and now we have to break up with the guy because we realize we're worth it."

http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/all-in/2016-03-28

To me, Hillary and the DLC are that abusive relationship...

[DanTex]

40. I get what you are saying also.

It is obligatory for me to point out that one of the policies that every developed Western nation has, but we don't, is strong gun control. And this is not a minor problem. Guns kill 30,000 Americans every year, far higher per capita than any other developed nation. The number of Americans killed in wars is tiny by comparison. Bernie wants to turn us into a more Scandinavian country, and he makes a good case, but when it comes to guns, he doesn't have the same lofty ambitions.

Which is fine. But the question is, if he and many in his movement can accept that European-style gun laws are unrealistic in the US (which is true), and instead we should just do little incremental things, why can't the same logic apply, to, say healthcare?

Not only is SP politically infeasible, but the countries where it works pay more in taxes than Bernie has proposed. Also, the transition to single payer will be difficult, and administrative costs are a small part of why the US pays so much more, so it's by no means clear that large cost savings will be realized just by changing to SP. Not to mention that something like 65% of Americans are currently satisfied with their personal health coverage, and single payer means telling most of those people that they will have to drop what they like in order to enroll in a new program which may or may not be better, but surely many people will be apprehensive about.

Meanwhile, there are also Western European countries where the healthcare system resembles Obamacare more than single payer. Since we already have Obamacare, there's a pretty good argument for trying to reach universal coverage by improving it, rather than trying to go for another overhaul of the whole system, one that will be significantly more disruptive than Obamacare was.

[DeeDeeNY]

80. Excellent points

Calling this 'pie-in-the-sky' and 'free stuff' is a good way for Republicans and Hillary supporters to rationalize the status quo.

[awake]

32. "pie-in-the-sky fantasies" like $15 min. wage, single payer health care, public collage payed for..

..just like high school is now, ending private prisons and ending military style policing, all of which ideas exist in may other western countries today. While all Hillary can offer is more of the same more wars, more looking the other way when Wall-street lies and cheats and more Government deals for her rich donators.

[revbones]

60. Nope. Wrong. She slipped up. Asked people to settle for her.

[DanTex]

63. Meh. Hillary bashers are going to parse everything she says to justify their hatred.

[revbones]

64. Still wrong. She slipped up.

Or are you saying you were wrong about Sarandon?

[DanTex]

69. Fortunately, actual voters don't care about this nonsense which is why she's so far ahead.

But if I joined a Democratic forum for the sole purpose of advocating "Let Trump Win", maybe I'd try running with this one also.

[revbones]

70. Still wrong. Nice dodge though. nt/

[Jackie Wilson Said]

79. But she is wrong about Sanders policies as pie in the sky, but even if she wasnt

she blew it with this remark.

It alienates those who are already mad as hell at her.

[Marr]

3. ABANDON HOPE! Hillary 2016

I swear, her campaign has been replete with these proclamations that we just can't do any better.

[VulgarPoet]

7. "No We Can't" 2016

[Arugula Latte]

84. "Be Glad for the Crumbs You're Thrown, Peons!"

[onehandle]

5. stre.....................................tch nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. No ... She just admitted that her plan is not perfect; but, it moves the ball ...

and is likely to get through Congress ... to the benefit of a lot of people that are hurting right now.

[pinebox]

10. How is Hillary getting anything through congress? Republicans will never work with her

[NWCorona]

16. Actually they will

That's what scares the hell out of me!

[tk2kewl]

54. yes indeed

see #44 in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511610145#post44

[central scrutinizer]

101. To put it another way, she will work with them

Bernie's ideas may be pie in the sky, ponies, rainbows, and unicorns and have little chance with repugs in Congress. But, and this is crucial, he will veto all of the repugs' attempts to further shred the safety net and continue with failed trickle down supply side economic voodoo. I wish I could be sure Hillary would stand firm. If something is 100% bullshit, "compromise" is not an option.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. She has a history of getting things done in the Senate ...

and getting things done with world leaders that didn't/don't have the US' interests at heart ... she, with the help of the Democrats in Congress, can handle the gop.

[jeff47]

43. Such as?

What things did she get done? 'Cause bills that she introduced while Senator are not exactly impressive.

And if you want to talk about that Congressional history, you run into the problem of Sanders having a longer history of getting more done. He wasn't dubbed "The Amendment King" for amusement.

[revbones]

61. She got that Iraq War done. Said it was a business opportunity. nt

[JTFrog]

78. And yet you were an Edwards supporter.

Or so you have posted anyway.

Of course Edwards was a guy who voted for the IWR not a woman, so I can understand how you would let his vote slide.

[revbones]

85. Didn't say I didn't learn... :)

[JTFrog]

87. Uh huh.

[revbones]

88. Yep.

[JTFrog]

89. I love your transparency. n/t

[revbones]

90. Good for you. nt

[Gwhittey]

97. Here is her history

S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004.

S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006.

S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008.


IF counting her voting the yes she worked with the (R) to pass many Big Bank friendly bills and Iraq War bill.

[1StrongBlackMan]

99. Cute ... but my research found a little more.

[NWCorona]

15. I think this is shade towards Susan

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. I don't know about that.

[NWCorona]

38. That's just my take

But with all the talk of Susan saying that she won't vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn't make it.

[Dawgs]

18. LOL! "likely to get through Congress"

Oh shit! You guys/gals are too much.

[SheenaR]

23. So Obama

whom she cradles close when necessary, couldn't do it but she will?

So under Obama people are hurting, and under Clinton those people will not.

She shouldn't campaign for a 3rd Obama term then

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. President Obama got a lot done and so will she ...

will she get everything on her plate done ... absolutely not, just like President Obama didn't. But she will get stuff (from her platform) done.

[timmymoff]

74. What is her platform this week?

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. cute.

[tk2kewl]

27. Pete Peterson certainly hopes so

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Who? ...

I know who he is ... it is just not relevant to a discussion of what HRC can, and can't, do.

[tk2kewl]

44. Blackstone COO Tony James is angling for a Clinton cabinet postion

Peterson and Blackstone Grp have been trying to break SS for some time. Hillary's campaign gets funding from Blackstone. We just read here today (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027724810) about how Bill was ready to cut SS with Newt until Washington came completely off the rails.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-blackstone-group-james-exclusive-idUSKCN0JI0C620141204

I have had enough with the foxes in the henhouse

[pdsimdars]

48. The ONLY things she can and will pass are on the REPUBLICAN agenda

Bernie has actually proven he can get things done with Republicans.

[reddread]

9. is there a Hillary chatbot?

somebody could make a fortune.
she might even improve her favorables!

[bettyellen]

11. Well, according to many there are only one or two people fit for any office. Going to be a lonely

four years in office if it is Sanders VS the Universe. How in the world would he find people good enough to take over congress?

[pdsimdars]

49. Some of them are running right now. . . . the REAL Democrats who actually stand up for

Democratic principles and not those compromised Republican lite principles because they are afraid to stand up to corporations.
You can "settle" for yourself and your family, some of us want to continue the fight for America

[bettyellen]

65. I know of one in my area and am checking him out. He seems to just have started campaigning.

My point is, I think if he can keep it up, he may have a better shot in four years. More support in the other branches. Which is super important.

[merrily]

12. Never let Third Way become the enemy of benefitting the 90%.

Oh, I mean never let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

If Rahm and the rest of the Clintonites and other DLC types have not convinced you of this yet, you ain't been listening. GOOD FOR YOU!

[pdsimdars]

51. Al Gore had a great quote about

how it is hard to get someone to understand something when they are paid not to understand.

[merrily]

59. That was Sinclair Lewis, though Gore may have quoted or paraphrased him.

[salinsky]

13. Depends on what you mean be "better candidate" ...

If you mean "better grandstander", Bernie has her beat.

He has that pure-as-the-wind-driven-snow schtick down pat.

If you mean "more qualified candidate", she beats him by a mile.

[pdsimdars]

53. Judgement beats experience every time.

Both Cheney and Kissinger are "qualified", but I wouldn't trust their judgement to mow my lawn.

PS . . and you obviously don't have a clue about what "grandstanding" means.

[arcane1]

17. It doesn't even make any sense. What does "holding out" mean?

Whether we nominate Sanders or Clinton, the election is still in 2016

What a pathetic candidate.

[BernieforPres2016]

19. Who are these hurting people she is talking about?

And what is she proposing to do for them?

I thought she was running on a platform of things are going great and I will be like an Obama third term.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

22. This is just really bad... She better delete this quick...

She admits she a weaker candidate than Sanders, who we do not have to hold out for because he is still running in the primary and he closing in on her in the passing lane.

"Objects in mirror are closer than they appear"

[Kelvin Mace]

24. Translation:

"You'll never see anyone better than me if I have anything to do with it. I'll even see Trump in office before I will let a better candidate run in November."

[highprincipleswork]

25. So, I got a great idea. Let's raise the retirement age & dilute SS and Medicare! Like the deal Bill

and Paul Ryan were discussing the other day...

Hmmmmmmmm.

[Amaril]

26. I agree with Princess Bitchy

"Insulting!"

[Wilms]

42. She's not a "Princess".

She's a Queen.

[Amaril]

82. +1!!

[djean111]

28. Oh, for fuck's sake - I am not voting for a Third Way Neocon hawk.

ISSUES. ISSUES.

And you, Hillary, are not even in the same planet as perfect. Thanks for admitting it.
Those hurting people can just STFU and hurt some more, amiright?

[Punkingal]

31. Dumbest campaign staff ever!

[Ash_F]

33. She didn't personally tweet that.

That had to be a jaded intern or something.

[KingFlorez]

36. There are people who can afford to sit the general election out

Namely 1% Susan Sarandon who thinks that Trump would bring a revolution that is needed.

[pinebox]

86. Or Hillary when the FBI recommends an indictment :)

[KingFlorez]

92. Jesus Christ Bernie's last and only chance

Winning by default is so rewarding (not).

[pinebox]

93. Meanwhile your candidate lies her way through the election.

[KingFlorez]

94. Actually, my candidate has nearly 60% of the popular vote and a large delegate lead

[pinebox]

95. Actually your candidate isn't trusted. Say hi to POTUS Trump!

[KingFlorez]

96. You wish

[pinebox]

102. You wish Hillary was trusted

[Gwhittey]

98. Your candiate has supporters that a low information

About Primary and caucus elections and think popular vote is something that is tracked. Yup let us ignore the millions of people in states that don't use individual votes but use precinct votes. And then they say silly things about % of votes when it is not really a something you can have % of.

[grasswire]

37. NO WE CAN'T

again

[LAS14]

41. Of course she's not saying she's not better.

She's saying exactly the opposite. She's better because she's not claiming to be perfect and applying purity tests to action. She might get something done to make lives better! Bernie wouldn't. An easy example is pushing a plan for free college that would require 31 Republican governors to increase their budgets by HUGE amounts.

[arcane1]

50. What PROGRESSIVE things can Hillary get through congress that Bernie couldn't?

I look forward to your list.

[revbones]

62. She progressed our soldiers into war in Iraq as a "business opportunity" nt

[arcane1]

72. Just like Obama nominates a right-winger for the Supreme Court and liberals demand his confirmation

Or he promotes a right-wing health insurance plan endorsed by the likes of Dole, Gingrich, and Romney, and liberals leap to its defense.

Or he pushes for corporate-friendly trade agreements favored by right-wingers, and liberals climb over each other pretending it's a Good Thing.

With "progressives" like these...

[revbones]

73. Corporate progress... nt

[pdsimdars]

55. Except he's already proven he can work with Republicans and get things done.

I heard an interview with a Republican Senator who praised Bernie's work with him on a bill for the V.A.

Hillary is just like Trump, vague and incoherent. She's gonna get great things done, just like Trump. No specifics.

[berni_mccoy]

45. Just like in 2008, she's starting to IMPLODE.

[pdsimdars]

56. So, could we say that once she started to feel the Bern, she can't handle the heat?

[LAS14]

46. I tweeted my first tweet ever!

It's clear that Hillary's supporters aren't tweeters. I'm not sure what can be done about it, but I was inspired to congratulate her on a Perfect tweet. The sad fact is that for POTUS to get anything done he/she HAS to work with "The Establishment." The alternative, of course, for change, is S Sarandon's explosion.

And before you claim that the number of tweet responses is representative of the electorate, let me remind you that she's gotten over a million more votes than unrealistic Bernie.

[pdsimdars]

57. Don't agree with your necessity of working with "the Establishment"

The truly big things that have gotten done were done by forcing 'the establishment' to accept them. I don't think FDR had a congress that wanted to help the people out. Same with LBJ. They had to force them to, using the public to push the establishment to change.

If you use the Hillary approach as Obama did, you won't get it done. They will both try to convince the other side to come along with them. Every true LEADER forces them to come over to HIS side. That is what leadership means.

[pinebox]

91. Unrealistic Bernie = NO WE CAN'T!

Here have a white flag.

[msongs]

47. people who have poor english text comprehension probably agree with the OP

the clinton quote says nothing about her admitting she is "not the better candidate"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. She's just showing her mastery of, and ability to mouth, platitudes.

[MineralMan]

67. No, she didn't.

Thanks for asking.

[LAS14]

68. NO to the post and YES!!! to the tweet. nt

[Aerows]

71. One particular comment

while, a bit mean, was absolutely so funny I was roaring with laughter:

"Well, it's true, not all turds float, many settle."

[LAS14]

76. I just saw this statement in a NY Clinton ad.

They showed it on CNN. I'm glad it's getting attention.

I think it's a great choice. It says it all. The ad has a few more words in it, to explain to the hard of understanding that people need IMPROVEMENT, not wishful thinking.

[treestar]

77. Obviously not

Who would interpret it that way? Only someone who wanted to.

[Jarqui]

81. "Did Hillary just admit she's not the better candidate?"

To me, she's admitted she is not the better candidate every time she's lied, deceived or pulled a dirty trick in this campaign. She's done that a lot in 2016.

All the best candidate needs is the truth. When that won't do, they're admitting even they think the other candidate is better - otherwise, they wouldn't feel the need to lie or deceive.

[pacalo]

104. ^^This^^

[Buns_of_Fire]

100. Aim for the moon -- settle for the incremental if you have to.

Aim for the incremental -- settle for whatever the booger-eaters in congress allow you to have.

I know what she's saying, but it isn't the sort of sentiment that's guaranteed to rally the troops, put fire in the belly, or gird the loins. You know, the "vision thing".

[MisterP]

103. why, the Moon and the window in front of it are practically the same thing!