Top Latino Politicians Say Bernie Sanders Has a Terrible Record on Immigration

[KMOD]

A couple of days before Democrats caucus in Nevada, two of the nation’s top Latino political figures tore into Sen. Bernie Sanders’ immigration record, accusing the Vermont independent of peddling the “same-old Republican ant-immigration playbook.”

“Senator Sanders consistently wasn’t there when we needed him most,” said Julian Castro, the Housing and Urban Development secretary, in a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “He voted with the anti-immigrant right against immigrants.”

Mr. Castro and Congressman Luis Gutiérrez of Illinois, a national leader on immigration reform, spoke in a call organized by the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign. Both Clinton supporters, along with immigrant advocates, eviscerated Mr. Sanders for voting against an immigration reform bill in 2007 and voting to protect the Minutemen, a private militia which patrolled the Mexican border to keep immigrants from entering the United States illegally.

“The truth is, look, he was absent from most of the critical immigration debates,” Mr. Gutiérrez said. “Unfortunately, when he did show up, his record is troubling.”

Mr. Gutiérrez said that it was “just as troubling” that Mr. Sanders never “improved” his record in the years following his 2007 vote. “The question Latinos have to ask themselves is: where was Senator Sanders when we needed him most?”

http://observer.com/2016/02/top-latino-politicians-say-bernie-sanders-has-a-terrible-record-on-immigration/

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[Kalidurga]

1. Yep almost as bad as "Send em Back Hillary."

[AtomicKitten]

17. x 1000000

[BainsBane]

66. Far worse than a quote out of context

Hillary has consistently voted for pro-immigration Bills. He has voted several times against immigration reform, for the Minutemen and on some Occassions for the wall. http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.VseZ0fBOKrU

No honest look at the issue can possibly claim Bernie is more pro-immigrant, unless one believes the GOP are right on immigration policy.

You will not find a single nativist vote from Clinton.
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/55463/hillary-clinton/40/immigration#.VseaLPBOKrU

[cascadiance]

68. Why does she like to put in place programs that put foreign workers in to slavery here!

WHY? Is that a Democratic Party stance? NOT MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!! I'm proud of Bernie not compromising his principles on issues like this! And especially not rationalizing that pro-slavery stance as being pro-immigration rights, when these guest worker programs have NOTHING to do with *immigration* as these are temporary work positions where they don't *immigrate* here to become citizens, and are far more likely to get kicked out if there visas aren't being held hostage. Fortunately some were able to sue for those kind of conditions after they were exploited as Katrina cleanup workers.



http://www.thenation.com/article/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison/

Why don't the debate moderators or other "news" reporters ask Clinton why she supported a Republican bill to build a fence along the border? She have any good excuses for doing that? Of course the corporatized media is being paid to avoid putting her on the spot the way they are being pushed to go after Bernie for wanting to do things that work against their drive towards corporate oligarchy.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/wall-o04.html

[Kalidurga]

69. Slavery was wrong the first time around.

Using people from other countries just so they can be abused by the system and at the same time drive down wages for people in this country is not pro-immigration. It's pro anything in the name of protecting the 1%. Shame on you for not getting that.

[shenmue]

2. Yes

[SunSeeker]

3. K & R

[litlbilly]

4. all bought and paid for by the machine, and that machine is coming down whether you like it or not

[azmom]

5. No one believes that.

[frylock]

6. Julian Castro and Luis Gutiérrez?

Yeah, those are some impartial voices there.

[KMOD]

7. LMAO

Yeah, what the hell would they know about Latino or immigration issues.

Too effin' funny.

[frylock]

9. I'm sure they know a lot. Doesn't take away from the fact that they're in the tank for Hillary.

Gutiérrez had his 15 minutes when he was on the teevee machine talking about that socialist guy, what's his name? And Julian is on the short list to be her veep, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take their opinions at face value.

[KMOD]

11. hahahahahahaha

You're funny.

In the tank. bwahahahahaha

but we should take you word.

[Feeling the Bern]

46. Could you be any more snarky and disrespectful?

You are not even attacking the poster's position, just the poster.

[frylock]

59. Another substantive reply.

[cascadiance]

70. Hmm... Foreign slavery good for them! Yes, they really want to help now!

Hillary thai is! Not those foreign workers made in to slaves that Bernie cares about more than they do!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

83. No, don't take his word. Rather, realize that this is common knowledge, and not controversial.

It's not one of those things to discuss and decide whether or not it's valid--it just is.

[artislife]

19. This Latina is for Bernie!

Can't wait to caucus for him in March!!

[KMOD]

20. Good for you!

[artislife]

23. I have talked two more Bernie supporters

to caucus with me. We are in a republican neighborhood, so we are gearing up to fight it out!


We have watched the videos on how to caucus, I am looking at what it takes to be a pricinct captain. No flipping coins or dubious votes on my watch.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

39. It's more than clear.

You don't care how poorly you come across and don't care how many people you turn off from Hillary. Calm the hell down.

[Duckhunter935]

78. wow up to 8 hides

Most important have ever seen, be on vacation for a while it looks like.

[passiveporcupine]

44. Time to step away from the computer?

I think you need a break before you get yourself too many hides. I'm not alerting on you...just letting you know you're losing it. You aren't helping your cause any.

[frylock]

61. 4 hides in one thread has to be a record.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. And that should be a ban

but won't be

[frylock]

77. Word up

[artislife]

81. Dang, I am good!

Been really busy and just came and saw all of this.

Makes me quite cheerful, truthfully.

[frylock]

60. Their problem is they know their candidate is done.

[lovemydog]

79. Good luck and have fun!

I'd be interested in an reading an account of what it's like to caucus. If you feel like writing a description of how it goes and feel like posting it in gdp or elsewhere I'd definitely read it!

[artislife]

80. Will Do!

[lunamagica]

63. Oh, please. We alrady know Bernie will be better for PBO for AA, better for woman than Hillary...

Of course he knows more, cares more; therefore is better for Latinos than any Latino!

[Trajan]

8. What a bunch of hooey

Won't shut you up?

Click

[KMOD]

13. bwaahahahahhahahaha

another funny one.

It sucks that you can't censor this, eh?


awwwwww

[noiretextatique]

10. The problem for Sanders was a guest-worker program

snip

“Sanders was basically one of our only allies … especially for low-skilled workers” in 2007, said Ana Avendano, a former top immigration official at the AFL-CIO. “He adamantly put his foot down and said these kinds of programs [allow] employers to bring in more and more vulnerable workers.”

snip

The problem for Sanders was a guest-worker program that some immigration advocates and Democratic lawmakers begrudgingly accepted as part of a comprehensive deal — but was abhorred by labor unions and their allies on Capitol Hill.
“What concerns me are provisions in the bill that would bring low-wage workers into this country in order to depress the already declining wages of American workers,” Sanders said in May 2007. “With poverty increasing and the middle-class shrinking, we must not force American workers into even more economic distress.”
The guest-worker program proposed in the 2007 bill would bring in foreign workers for two years at a time, but force them to leave the United States for a year in between each renewal. It also offered few protections for those workers, labor advocates said.
In early June of that year, Sanders proposed an amendment with Grassley that would ban companies that have laid off workers en masse from being approved for new worker visas.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190#ixzz40b1Sq9lW


Clinton is worried about NV.

[Number23]

12. Has luna been put on time out???

She will always be welcome in the AA group.

[noiretextatique]

15. her post was inaccurate

that's why it was deleted.

[KMOD]

21. was it!

How about this post?

[noiretextatique]

28. yes, it was...she mixed-up some dates

i posted the reasons why sanders opposed the bill in this thread. so your post is not inaccurate, but it does not tell the whole story. the whole story is not as interesting to clinton supporters. and, btw, you did rec a factually inaccurate post.

[KMOD]

31. ohhhhh noooooo,

My post does not tell the whole story? Please fill me in.

And my goodness, what post did I rec that was inaccurate? I would like to correct that error as soon as possible. That stuff should never happen here. lol

Just so you know, I won't change my rec, and you are ridiculous to think I would.

Here's a big NEWSFLASH: Not everyone is buying Bernie Sander's Bullshit.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Perhaps you should try to censor me?

[noiretextatique]

42. you seem to have a comprehension challenge

re: the dates, i was referring to the post you rec'd that was deleted, not your post newsflash: not everyone is buying clinton's bullshit. 2 hidden posts? it seems you are the one who is having trouble controlling your feelings. you might want to take it down a notch.

[cascadiance]

71. Some more intelligent and less bought off Latinos aren't buying Hillary's campaign bullshit either!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511268908

[lunamagica]

64. Thank you, Number23

It really makes me feel good to be welcomed in the AA group.

You are so kind!

[Number23]

67. Yours is an important voice here. And I really appreciate it

There are too few minorities on DU. Not that that's in any way hard to understand given the crap that gets posted here regularly...

[Art_from_Ark]

16. Meanwhile, Lucy Flores, one of Nevada's first Latina state legislators, is supporting Bernie

[KMOD]

22. lol

Thanks for addressing the beef in the post, Art.

[noiretextatique]

29. clinton is making a last-ditch effort for NV

desperate last-ditch effort, i might add.

[noiretextatique]

37. no, just desperate...you added the other bs

the inevitable one is tied with the democratic socialist who just joined party. i'd be desperate too. you are going to have to step up your game to gotcha me.

[Fuddnik]

43. Link?

[jfern]

18. Hillary hacks will say anything

[KMOD]

24. Hillary hacks will say anything.

How cute.

Can I say Berniebro's are delusional? Seems fair game to me.

[Live and Learn]

26. No, we have proof of the former. nt

[Live and Learn]

25. Who are these idiots that demand so much more of Bernie while ignoring Hillary's sending children

home to teach people a lesson? Bernie would never do that. What a disgusting platform.

[Fearless]

27. Top Hillary supporter says... n/t

[snot]

33. I want to more. (Links to factual sources helpful -- thanks!)

[ForgoTheConsequence]

34. I stand with Raul Grijalva.

A true progressive.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/07/bernie-sanders-gets-first-congressional-endorsement-from-ral-grijalva/?_r=0

[noiretextatique]

40. +1 eom

[jillan]

82. Agreed!! I do too.

[MaeScott]

91. Raul walks his talk. Consistently progressive. nt

[tokenlib]

38. So Castro is auditioning for the VP attack dog role already?

If you can't win on the issues..you blow smoke and distort the record of the opposition.

[noiretextatique]

41. it would be great to know why bernie voted against that bill

so i posted his reasons in this thread. no response yet.

[AZ Progressive]

49. Hillary used John Lewis, now Julian Castro, just great...

[AZ Progressive]

50. You know, this campaign is a great way to identify who is on the gravy train of corporate money

[FlatBaroque]

58. It really is.

It is exposing the rotting foundation of the hopelessly corrupt Democratic establishment.

[artislife]

84. ^^^Truth! nt

[cali]

51. Hill flaks.

[cantbeserious]

52. Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 83

eom

[merrily]

53. Yawn. Tell it to Grijalva. Gutierrez wants to be Mayor of Chicago and we all know what Castro wants.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2016991,00.html

Also: http://abc7chicago.com/politics/gutierrez-losing-latino-votes-after-support-of-emanuel-challenger-says/964247/

[Sancho]

54. I realize it's my own perception here in Florida, but that's the way most see Bernie here.

His record on immigration is mostly silent with a few jabs thrown in that went against the interests of most immigrants and undocumented.

We can argue the details (again!), but Bernie doesn't really have a solid path to citizenship and even in yesterday's town hall all he could say was "I'm going to work on that".

Bernie's visa reforms are sometimes "pro-citizen" but "anti-immigrant". Many immigrant business owners and international traders are in FAVOR of trade agreements, or at least the parts that help small businesses. Bernie openly said that his health care plan will include the undocumented? (NO!) The ACA does in a sense, because employers have to insure employees regardless of status (or else they have to admit hiring illegal workers!), which is one interesting sideline of Obamacare. Medicare for all would likely require a government ID which may be denied to undocumented. Immigrants think about those things.

Vermont does not have tuition equity, and Bernie has never mentioned his education plan being open to dreamers or undocumented. Hillary spoke specifically about this education issue at the town hall. She gets it!

In fact, Bernie has been largely invisible for a long time in the immigrant community. Contrast that with Hillary, the Clinton's, and the Clinton foundation who have been working for decades with the immigrant community both in the US and in other countries. Just google the Clinton's on Univision or check out the Clinton Foundation programs.

It's a fair criticism that Bernie has 25 years in Congress, but little action on behalf of the immigrant community.

[Lucinda]

85. Thank you for your post on this!

I've just started looking into Bernie's record on this and it's great to have some perspective!

[artislife]

88. Except that h doesn't care about brown children from Central America

whose government is in chaos due in part to actions she took as SoS.

Her actions in the world v her rhetoric are worlds apart.

[Sancho]

89. Hillary (and the Clinton's) are respected all over the world - that's the fact.

Read the facts:

http://2015.clintonfoundation.org/#!/

and they have done much of the work through generosity outside of government. You can bash all you want, but it just shows ignorance of the truth.

If you have lived it, you know what you see with your own eyes. I'd be wiling to bet you have not ever seen the Clintons or Hillary programs, or you would not repeat silly criticisms.

Hillary cares more about children than any Presidential candidate in my lifetime or yours. It's real action - not rhetoric like loud mouth Bernie and his claims.

[artislife]

92. I think you are only looking at one side of her

and that is silly.

She does some good, but she also does a lot of bad.

[Sancho]

94. I've seen Hillary for years....

and she does not "do a lot of bad".

That's mostly RW talking points.

No current politician has spent so much time and effort out of office doing actual, front-line work for good: children, women, social justice, legal aid.

The fact that she has also been a successful lawyer, politician, and mother is terrific by itself. She is wicked smart and experienced both domestically and internationally.

I've been involved with politics and worked for campaigns since the early 70's. I've never seen a harder worker who believed in social justice more than Hillary Clinton. The RW has gone after her for a long time, and created many CTs that never prove to be any more than rumors. Maybe you believe some of the stories, maybe not.

[stevenleser]

97. He's a single issue politician and Latinos are not that single issue. But Latinos shouldn't feel bad

African Americans are not that single issue either.

[LondonReign2]

55. Those two have been shilling for Hillary--badly, IMO-- since the

campaign started. Luis' red baiting was about as ham handed as one could imagine, and Julian was on last week telling everyone that Hllary's "15 point loss" in NH "exceeded expectations".

[NCTraveler]

56. It's no joke that we needed just a couple of votes.

Over ten million people currently living in the shadows would be citizens today. Sanders literally fought to stop it from an up or down vote. It would have passed if it would have made it past cloture in the end. That is how much Sanders was against it. He didn't even want an up or down vote.

So he said no to citizenship for over ten million people for economic reasons and a decade later is running for President because of our economic system. Even he knows he didn't do a damn bit of good economically in his fight against a pathway to citizenship.

[FlatBaroque]

57. You can alert, but you will not shut us up.

LMFAO. What? What'd you say?

[lunamagica]

62. K&R. Thank you, KMOD

[workinclasszero]

65. Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark Bernie

Senator Sanders consistently wasn’t there when we needed him most,” said Julian Castro, the Housing and Urban Development secretary, in a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “He voted with the anti-immigrant right against immigrants.”

[cascadiance]

72. He understands in a way that you don't that he needed to vote against foreign slavery on our soil!

WHY does the Hillary campaign feel the necessity of instituting foreign slavery on our soil, and want to lump these TEMPORARY "guest worker" programs in to a bill that is supposed to be about IMMIGRATION, where these riders don't belong, other than to placate the big money donors that want to profit from them and damn what happens to these foreign workers, and also the American workers they displace to jack up corporate profits!

[workinclasszero]

73. Sounds like a trump speech TBH

[cascadiance]

74. Hilary talking points are these?

Yes, Trump and Cruz, and many Republicans are xenophobes, and leave it to the corporate media to help the Hillary campaign to facilitate labeling taking a stance against INDENTURED SERVITUDE (aka ***SLAVERY***) as somehow being xenophobic.

Yes, it ALSO costs American jobs, and that also has many populist Republicans PO'd. But the corporatized media with no objection from the corporatized campaign of Clinton's chooses to ONLY focus on blaming foreign workers from taking our jobs and not the mechanisms by the PTB to exploit foreigners here who are either being exploited as undocumented workers where they count on who's in charge not prosecuting those exploiting lower wage and exploited undocumented workers, or not the guest worker slave laborer programs which institutionalizes that same relationship so there employers don't have to worry about hiring people illegally to still be able to exploit foreign workers for lower wages, and in both cases costing American workers (AND legal immigrants who aren't being exploited) their jobs because employers are able to get away with exploiting foreign workers by either of these two methods.

Bernie wants to get rid of the exploitation of BOTH sets of workers, but not create new slave laborers the way those who are FALSELY accusing him of being against immigration reform want to change the system.

Do you see Trump or Cruz criticizing these programs for the way that these foreign workers are exploited? I don't. That's because they don't care so much about that as their voters want to blame the foreign workers rather than the PTB that want to institutionalize this exploitive slavery through guest worker programs. So, keep listening to that Trump speech. He's not going to appeal to us all for the rights of workers not to have to come here under slave labor conditions.

What is your understanding of Hillary's viewpoint. We haven't heard ANYTHING from her since she supported that slave labor back in 2007!

[Lucinda]

86. That might explain one set of votes....but not the rest of his record. n/t

[StevieM]

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[Lucinda]

87. Thanks KMOD!

The thread brought up some great information on this issues that I wasn't aware of!

Appreciate it.

[Vattel]

90. What crap. Gutierrez needs to pull his head out of his ass and look at why Sanders

voted against the 2007 immigration reform bill. He is being dishonest in his support of Clinton.

[bigtree]

93. k&r

...thanks for the post, KMOD!

[oasis]

95. Kick

[stevenleser]

96. Well, there goes any advantage Sanders might have had against Trump.

Boy that potential matchup is looking worse and worse for Sanders.