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KMOD

(7,906 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:49 AM Feb 2016

Top Latino Politicians Say Bernie Sanders Has a Terrible Record on Immigration

A couple of days before Democrats caucus in Nevada, two of the nation’s top Latino political figures tore into Sen. Bernie Sanders’ immigration record, accusing the Vermont independent of peddling the “same-old Republican ant-immigration playbook.”

“Senator Sanders consistently wasn’t there when we needed him most,” said Julian Castro, the Housing and Urban Development secretary, in a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “He voted with the anti-immigrant right against immigrants.”

Mr. Castro and Congressman Luis Gutiérrez of Illinois, a national leader on immigration reform, spoke in a call organized by the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign. Both Clinton supporters, along with immigrant advocates, eviscerated Mr. Sanders for voting against an immigration reform bill in 2007 and voting to protect the Minutemen, a private militia which patrolled the Mexican border to keep immigrants from entering the United States illegally.

“The truth is, look, he was absent from most of the critical immigration debates,” Mr. Gutiérrez said. “Unfortunately, when he did show up, his record is troubling.”

Mr. Gutiérrez said that it was “just as troubling” that Mr. Sanders never “improved” his record in the years following his 2007 vote. “The question Latinos have to ask themselves is: where was Senator Sanders when we needed him most?”

http://observer.com/2016/02/top-latino-politicians-say-bernie-sanders-has-a-terrible-record-on-immigration/

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Top Latino Politicians Say Bernie Sanders Has a Terrible Record on Immigration (Original Post) KMOD Feb 2016 OP
Yep almost as bad as "Send em Back Hillary." Kalidurga Feb 2016 #1
x 1000000 AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #17
Far worse than a quote out of context BainsBane Feb 2016 #66
Why does she like to put in place programs that put foreign workers in to slavery here! cascadiance Feb 2016 #68
Slavery was wrong the first time around. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #69
Yes shenmue Feb 2016 #2
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #3
all bought and paid for by the machine, and that machine is coming down whether you like it or not litlbilly Feb 2016 #4
No one believes that. azmom Feb 2016 #5
Julian Castro and Luis Gutiérrez? frylock Feb 2016 #6
LMAO KMOD Feb 2016 #7
I'm sure they know a lot. Doesn't take away from the fact that they're in the tank for Hillary. frylock Feb 2016 #9
hahahahahahaha KMOD Feb 2016 #11
Could you be any more snarky and disrespectful? Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #46
Another substantive reply. frylock Feb 2016 #59
Hmm... Foreign slavery good for them! Yes, they really want to help now! cascadiance Feb 2016 #70
No, don't take his word. Rather, realize that this is common knowledge, and not controversial. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #83
This Latina is for Bernie! artislife Feb 2016 #19
Good for you! KMOD Feb 2016 #20
I have talked two more Bernie supporters artislife Feb 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #32
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #36
It's more than clear. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #39
wow up to 8 hides Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #78
Time to step away from the computer? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #44
4 hides in one thread has to be a record. frylock Feb 2016 #61
And that should be a ban nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #76
Word up frylock Feb 2016 #77
Dang, I am good! artislife Feb 2016 #81
Their problem is they know their candidate is done. frylock Feb 2016 #60
Good luck and have fun! lovemydog Feb 2016 #79
Will Do! artislife Feb 2016 #80
Oh, please. We alrady know Bernie will be better for PBO for AA, better for woman than Hillary... lunamagica Feb 2016 #63
What a bunch of hooey Trajan Feb 2016 #8
bwaahahahahhahahaha KMOD Feb 2016 #13
The problem for Sanders was a guest-worker program noiretextatique Feb 2016 #10
Has luna been put on time out??? Number23 Feb 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #14
her post was inaccurate noiretextatique Feb 2016 #15
was it! KMOD Feb 2016 #21
yes, it was...she mixed-up some dates noiretextatique Feb 2016 #28
ohhhhh noooooo, KMOD Feb 2016 #31
you seem to have a comprehension challenge noiretextatique Feb 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #45
Some more intelligent and less bought off Latinos aren't buying Hillary's campaign bullshit either! cascadiance Feb 2016 #71
Thank you, Number23 lunamagica Feb 2016 #64
Yours is an important voice here. And I really appreciate it Number23 Feb 2016 #67
Meanwhile, Lucy Flores, one of Nevada's first Latina state legislators, is supporting Bernie Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #16
lol KMOD Feb 2016 #22
clinton is making a last-ditch effort for NV noiretextatique Feb 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #35
no, just desperate...you added the other bs noiretextatique Feb 2016 #37
Link? Fuddnik Feb 2016 #43
Hillary hacks will say anything jfern Feb 2016 #18
Hillary hacks will say anything. KMOD Feb 2016 #24
No, we have proof of the former. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #47
Who are these idiots that demand so much more of Bernie while ignoring Hillary's sending children Live and Learn Feb 2016 #25
Top Hillary supporter says... n/t Fearless Feb 2016 #27
I want to more. (Links to factual sources helpful -- thanks!) snot Feb 2016 #33
I stand with Raul Grijalva. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #34
+1 eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #48
Agreed!! I do too. jillan Feb 2016 #82
Raul walks his talk. Consistently progressive. nt MaeScott Feb 2016 #91
So Castro is auditioning for the VP attack dog role already? tokenlib Feb 2016 #38
it would be great to know why bernie voted against that bill noiretextatique Feb 2016 #41
Hillary used John Lewis, now Julian Castro, just great... AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #49
You know, this campaign is a great way to identify who is on the gravy train of corporate money AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #50
It really is. FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #58
^^^Truth! nt artislife Feb 2016 #84
Hill flaks. cali Feb 2016 #51
Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme Number 83 cantbeserious Feb 2016 #52
Yawn. Tell it to Grijalva. Gutierrez wants to be Mayor of Chicago and we all know what Castro wants. merrily Feb 2016 #53
I realize it's my own perception here in Florida, but that's the way most see Bernie here. Sancho Feb 2016 #54
Thank you for your post on this! Lucinda Feb 2016 #85
Except that h doesn't care about brown children from Central America artislife Feb 2016 #88
Hillary (and the Clinton's) are respected all over the world - that's the fact. Sancho Feb 2016 #89
I think you are only looking at one side of her artislife Feb 2016 #92
I've seen Hillary for years.... Sancho Feb 2016 #94
He's a single issue politician and Latinos are not that single issue. But Latinos shouldn't feel bad stevenleser Feb 2016 #97
Those two have been shilling for Hillary--badly, IMO-- since the LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #55
It's no joke that we needed just a couple of votes. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #56
You can alert, but you will not shut us up. FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #57
K&R. Thank you, KMOD lunamagica Feb 2016 #62
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark Bernie workinclasszero Feb 2016 #65
He understands in a way that you don't that he needed to vote against foreign slavery on our soil! cascadiance Feb 2016 #72
Sounds like a trump speech TBH workinclasszero Feb 2016 #73
Hilary talking points are these? cascadiance Feb 2016 #74
That might explain one set of votes....but not the rest of his record. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #86
Jury Results StevieM Feb 2016 #75
Thanks KMOD! Lucinda Feb 2016 #87
What crap. Gutierrez needs to pull his head out of his ass and look at why Sanders Vattel Feb 2016 #90
k&r bigtree Feb 2016 #93
Kick oasis Feb 2016 #95
Well, there goes any advantage Sanders might have had against Trump. stevenleser Feb 2016 #96

BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
66. Far worse than a quote out of context
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:43 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary has consistently voted for pro-immigration Bills. He has voted several times against immigration reform, for the Minutemen and on some Occassions for the wall. http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.VseZ0fBOKrU

No honest look at the issue can possibly claim Bernie is more pro-immigrant, unless one believes the GOP are right on immigration policy.

You will not find a single nativist vote from Clinton.
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/55463/hillary-clinton/40/immigration#.VseaLPBOKrU

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
68. Why does she like to put in place programs that put foreign workers in to slavery here!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

WHY? Is that a Democratic Party stance? NOT MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!! I'm proud of Bernie not compromising his principles on issues like this! And especially not rationalizing that pro-slavery stance as being pro-immigration rights, when these guest worker programs have NOTHING to do with *immigration* as these are temporary work positions where they don't *immigrate* here to become citizens, and are far more likely to get kicked out if there visas aren't being held hostage. Fortunately some were able to sue for those kind of conditions after they were exploited as Katrina cleanup workers.



http://www.thenation.com/article/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison/

Why don't the debate moderators or other "news" reporters ask Clinton why she supported a Republican bill to build a fence along the border? She have any good excuses for doing that? Of course the corporatized media is being paid to avoid putting her on the spot the way they are being pushed to go after Bernie for wanting to do things that work against their drive towards corporate oligarchy.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/wall-o04.html

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
69. Slavery was wrong the first time around.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:13 PM
Feb 2016

Using people from other countries just so they can be abused by the system and at the same time drive down wages for people in this country is not pro-immigration. It's pro anything in the name of protecting the 1%. Shame on you for not getting that.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
4. all bought and paid for by the machine, and that machine is coming down whether you like it or not
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:00 AM
Feb 2016
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
7. LMAO
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:12 AM
Feb 2016

Yeah, what the hell would they know about Latino or immigration issues.

Too effin' funny.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
9. I'm sure they know a lot. Doesn't take away from the fact that they're in the tank for Hillary.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

Gutiérrez had his 15 minutes when he was on the teevee machine talking about that socialist guy, what's his name? And Julian is on the short list to be her veep, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take their opinions at face value.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
46. Could you be any more snarky and disrespectful?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:54 AM
Feb 2016

You are not even attacking the poster's position, just the poster.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
70. Hmm... Foreign slavery good for them! Yes, they really want to help now!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary thai is! Not those foreign workers made in to slaves that Bernie cares about more than they do!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
83. No, don't take his word. Rather, realize that this is common knowledge, and not controversial.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:39 AM
Feb 2016

It's not one of those things to discuss and decide whether or not it's valid--it just is.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
23. I have talked two more Bernie supporters
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:21 AM
Feb 2016

to caucus with me. We are in a republican neighborhood, so we are gearing up to fight it out!


We have watched the videos on how to caucus, I am looking at what it takes to be a pricinct captain. No flipping coins or dubious votes on my watch.

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ForgoTheConsequence

(4,872 posts)
39. It's more than clear.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:50 AM
Feb 2016

You don't care how poorly you come across and don't care how many people you turn off from Hillary. Calm the hell down.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
44. Time to step away from the computer?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:43 AM
Feb 2016

I think you need a break before you get yourself too many hides. I'm not alerting on you...just letting you know you're losing it. You aren't helping your cause any.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
81. Dang, I am good!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:35 AM
Feb 2016

Been really busy and just came and saw all of this.

Makes me quite cheerful, truthfully.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
79. Good luck and have fun!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:19 AM
Feb 2016

I'd be interested in an reading an account of what it's like to caucus. If you feel like writing a description of how it goes and feel like posting it in gdp or elsewhere I'd definitely read it!

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
63. Oh, please. We alrady know Bernie will be better for PBO for AA, better for woman than Hillary...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

Of course he knows more, cares more; therefore is better for Latinos than any Latino!

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
10. The problem for Sanders was a guest-worker program
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 03:23 AM
Feb 2016

snip

“Sanders was basically one of our only allies … especially for low-skilled workers” in 2007, said Ana Avendano, a former top immigration official at the AFL-CIO. “He adamantly put his foot down and said these kinds of programs [allow] employers to bring in more and more vulnerable workers.”

snip

The problem for Sanders was a guest-worker program that some immigration advocates and Democratic lawmakers begrudgingly accepted as part of a comprehensive deal — but was abhorred by labor unions and their allies on Capitol Hill.
“What concerns me are provisions in the bill that would bring low-wage workers into this country in order to depress the already declining wages of American workers,” Sanders said in May 2007. “With poverty increasing and the middle-class shrinking, we must not force American workers into even more economic distress.”
The guest-worker program proposed in the 2007 bill would bring in foreign workers for two years at a time, but force them to leave the United States for a year in between each renewal. It also offered few protections for those workers, labor advocates said.
In early June of that year, Sanders proposed an amendment with Grassley that would ban companies that have laid off workers en masse from being approved for new worker visas.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190#ixzz40b1Sq9lW


Clinton is worried about NV.

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noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
28. yes, it was...she mixed-up some dates
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:23 AM
Feb 2016

i posted the reasons why sanders opposed the bill in this thread. so your post is not inaccurate, but it does not tell the whole story. the whole story is not as interesting to clinton supporters. and, btw, you did rec a factually inaccurate post.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
31. ohhhhh noooooo,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:36 AM
Feb 2016

My post does not tell the whole story? Please fill me in.

And my goodness, what post did I rec that was inaccurate? I would like to correct that error as soon as possible. That stuff should never happen here. lol

Just so you know, I won't change my rec, and you are ridiculous to think I would.

Here's a big NEWSFLASH: Not everyone is buying Bernie Sander's Bullshit.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Perhaps you should try to censor me?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
42. you seem to have a comprehension challenge
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:11 AM
Feb 2016

re: the dates, i was referring to the post you rec'd that was deleted, not your post newsflash: not everyone is buying clinton's bullshit. 2 hidden posts? it seems you are the one who is having trouble controlling your feelings. you might want to take it down a notch.

Response to KMOD (Reply #31)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
67. Yours is an important voice here. And I really appreciate it
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

There are too few minorities on DU. Not that that's in any way hard to understand given the crap that gets posted here regularly...

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noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
37. no, just desperate...you added the other bs
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:49 AM
Feb 2016

the inevitable one is tied with the democratic socialist who just joined party. i'd be desperate too. you are going to have to step up your game to gotcha me.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
24. Hillary hacks will say anything.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:21 AM
Feb 2016

How cute.

Can I say Berniebro's are delusional? Seems fair game to me.

Response to KMOD (Reply #24)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
25. Who are these idiots that demand so much more of Bernie while ignoring Hillary's sending children
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:22 AM
Feb 2016

home to teach people a lesson? Bernie would never do that. What a disgusting platform.

Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #34)

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
38. So Castro is auditioning for the VP attack dog role already?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:50 AM
Feb 2016

If you can't win on the issues..you blow smoke and distort the record of the opposition.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
41. it would be great to know why bernie voted against that bill
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:59 AM
Feb 2016

so i posted his reasons in this thread. no response yet.

Sancho

(9,073 posts)
54. I realize it's my own perception here in Florida, but that's the way most see Bernie here.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:23 AM
Feb 2016

His record on immigration is mostly silent with a few jabs thrown in that went against the interests of most immigrants and undocumented.

We can argue the details (again!), but Bernie doesn't really have a solid path to citizenship and even in yesterday's town hall all he could say was "I'm going to work on that".

Bernie's visa reforms are sometimes "pro-citizen" but "anti-immigrant". Many immigrant business owners and international traders are in FAVOR of trade agreements, or at least the parts that help small businesses. Bernie openly said that his health care plan will include the undocumented? (NO!) The ACA does in a sense, because employers have to insure employees regardless of status (or else they have to admit hiring illegal workers!), which is one interesting sideline of Obamacare. Medicare for all would likely require a government ID which may be denied to undocumented. Immigrants think about those things.

Vermont does not have tuition equity, and Bernie has never mentioned his education plan being open to dreamers or undocumented. Hillary spoke specifically about this education issue at the town hall. She gets it!

In fact, Bernie has been largely invisible for a long time in the immigrant community. Contrast that with Hillary, the Clinton's, and the Clinton foundation who have been working for decades with the immigrant community both in the US and in other countries. Just google the Clinton's on Univision or check out the Clinton Foundation programs.

It's a fair criticism that Bernie has 25 years in Congress, but little action on behalf of the immigrant community.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
85. Thank you for your post on this!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:54 AM
Feb 2016

I've just started looking into Bernie's record on this and it's great to have some perspective!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
88. Except that h doesn't care about brown children from Central America
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:01 AM
Feb 2016

whose government is in chaos due in part to actions she took as SoS.

Her actions in the world v her rhetoric are worlds apart.

Sancho

(9,073 posts)
89. Hillary (and the Clinton's) are respected all over the world - that's the fact.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:18 AM
Feb 2016

Read the facts:

http://2015.clintonfoundation.org/#!/

and they have done much of the work through generosity outside of government. You can bash all you want, but it just shows ignorance of the truth.

If you have lived it, you know what you see with your own eyes. I'd be wiling to bet you have not ever seen the Clintons or Hillary programs, or you would not repeat silly criticisms.

Hillary cares more about children than any Presidential candidate in my lifetime or yours. It's real action - not rhetoric like loud mouth Bernie and his claims.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
92. I think you are only looking at one side of her
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:29 AM
Feb 2016

and that is silly.

She does some good, but she also does a lot of bad.

Sancho

(9,073 posts)
94. I've seen Hillary for years....
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

and she does not "do a lot of bad".

That's mostly RW talking points.

No current politician has spent so much time and effort out of office doing actual, front-line work for good: children, women, social justice, legal aid.

The fact that she has also been a successful lawyer, politician, and mother is terrific by itself. She is wicked smart and experienced both domestically and internationally.

I've been involved with politics and worked for campaigns since the early 70's. I've never seen a harder worker who believed in social justice more than Hillary Clinton. The RW has gone after her for a long time, and created many CTs that never prove to be any more than rumors. Maybe you believe some of the stories, maybe not.



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
97. He's a single issue politician and Latinos are not that single issue. But Latinos shouldn't feel bad
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

African Americans are not that single issue either.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
55. Those two have been shilling for Hillary--badly, IMO-- since the
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:46 AM
Feb 2016

campaign started. Luis' red baiting was about as ham handed as one could imagine, and Julian was on last week telling everyone that Hllary's "15 point loss" in NH "exceeded expectations".

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
56. It's no joke that we needed just a couple of votes.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 08:56 AM
Feb 2016

Over ten million people currently living in the shadows would be citizens today. Sanders literally fought to stop it from an up or down vote. It would have passed if it would have made it past cloture in the end. That is how much Sanders was against it. He didn't even want an up or down vote.

So he said no to citizenship for over ten million people for economic reasons and a decade later is running for President because of our economic system. Even he knows he didn't do a damn bit of good economically in his fight against a pathway to citizenship.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
65. Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark Bernie
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

Senator Sanders consistently wasn’t there when we needed him most,” said Julian Castro, the Housing and Urban Development secretary, in a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “He voted with the anti-immigrant right against immigrants.”

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
72. He understands in a way that you don't that he needed to vote against foreign slavery on our soil!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

WHY does the Hillary campaign feel the necessity of instituting foreign slavery on our soil, and want to lump these TEMPORARY "guest worker" programs in to a bill that is supposed to be about IMMIGRATION, where these riders don't belong, other than to placate the big money donors that want to profit from them and damn what happens to these foreign workers, and also the American workers they displace to jack up corporate profits!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
74. Hilary talking points are these?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

Yes, Trump and Cruz, and many Republicans are xenophobes, and leave it to the corporate media to help the Hillary campaign to facilitate labeling taking a stance against INDENTURED SERVITUDE (aka ***SLAVERY***) as somehow being xenophobic.

Yes, it ALSO costs American jobs, and that also has many populist Republicans PO'd. But the corporatized media with no objection from the corporatized campaign of Clinton's chooses to ONLY focus on blaming foreign workers from taking our jobs and not the mechanisms by the PTB to exploit foreigners here who are either being exploited as undocumented workers where they count on who's in charge not prosecuting those exploiting lower wage and exploited undocumented workers, or not the guest worker slave laborer programs which institutionalizes that same relationship so there employers don't have to worry about hiring people illegally to still be able to exploit foreign workers for lower wages, and in both cases costing American workers (AND legal immigrants who aren't being exploited) their jobs because employers are able to get away with exploiting foreign workers by either of these two methods.

Bernie wants to get rid of the exploitation of BOTH sets of workers, but not create new slave laborers the way those who are FALSELY accusing him of being against immigration reform want to change the system.

Do you see Trump or Cruz criticizing these programs for the way that these foreign workers are exploited? I don't. That's because they don't care so much about that as their voters want to blame the foreign workers rather than the PTB that want to institutionalize this exploitive slavery through guest worker programs. So, keep listening to that Trump speech. He's not going to appeal to us all for the rights of workers not to have to come here under slave labor conditions.

What is your understanding of Hillary's viewpoint. We haven't heard ANYTHING from her since she supported that slave labor back in 2007!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
75. Jury Results
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:46 AM
Feb 2016

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Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
87. Thanks KMOD!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:58 AM
Feb 2016

The thread brought up some great information on this issues that I wasn't aware of!

Appreciate it.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
90. What crap. Gutierrez needs to pull his head out of his ass and look at why Sanders
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:35 AM
Feb 2016

voted against the 2007 immigration reform bill. He is being dishonest in his support of Clinton.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
96. Well, there goes any advantage Sanders might have had against Trump.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

Boy that potential matchup is looking worse and worse for Sanders.

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