Did Romney bring cheat notes into the debate?
My sister called and pointed this out.
She tells me the debaters are provided with paper and a pen.
You can see the paper on each of the debaters podiums at the start of the video.
They're not supposed to bring notes into the debate.
It happens in the first 11 second of the video linked below
Watch Romney's right hand.
What's up with that?
I tried to check the rules to link them and couldn't find them on the site (they're probably there somewhere). Here's the link to the debates site:
I bet he wasn't counting on there being cameras at the rear of the stage to catch him pulling his cheat sheet out of his pocket! What a piece of sMitt!
I remember watching it live when it happened. I haven't gone looking for it on the CSpan video yet.
Can't imagine he'd be dumb enough to cheat with all the cameras on him.
But narcissists kind of roll that way.
I'm sorry this video made me laugh because sometimes, I know it's not nice but I laugh at crazy people.
I say: wow! How could it be a handkerchief. I'd only pull that out when I needed it and then put it back in my pocket.
I suppose this is how spoiled rich kids get by in school as well as life. BY CHEATING.
Looks like folded up paper, not a hankerchief. But I could be wrong.
Not going to be surprised if Romney cheated.
What a weasel.
Then said oh he didn't need it - well yea he did. He wiped his upper lip with it.
How soon M$M forgets what's on the tape.
Journalism FAIL proudly on display.
It looks like he is unfolding it here in the beginning. But look at the end of this tape, he is messing with it again but looks like he kind of hides it.
Earlier this am, hubby told me that he saw at the very end, Rmoney going to the podium, getting a paper and then seemed to not know what the hell to do with it. Started to put it in his pocket a couple of times, but decided not to. Eventually gave it to his son, who quickly put it in his pocket. Hubby says he was nervous as hell. This was before he knew of this post.
We need to find the tape that has the entire ending on it, after the Obama's leave.
We already know what he's capable of and what he's willing to do.
Why would you hand a used hankie to your son?
We need some high definition, enlarged photos that's what we really need.
Thanks for dropping even more info on this!
I want to see video of the ending, which now looks to be more damning than seeing him put the cheat sheet on the podium.
And, what's up with the hot potato treatment of those papers?
Not Cool Mittie.
See my earlier post below about men and handkerchiefs in pants pockets.
At the point near the end of the video, when Romney goes back and picks up the papers off of the podium, you see him TWICE try to put the papers in his suit jacket almost instinctively, before he finally hands them off to his son (I guess that's who it is).
My guess is that these papers cannot go into his suit pocket because that's where the now used handkerchief already is - - -where most men would normally keep a handkerchief.
But at the beginning of the video, he takes something out of his trouser pocket. If that's where he routinely keeps a handkerchief (i.e., his trouser pocket) wouldn't he put it back in the same place?
So IF the handkerchief is what is keeping him from putting the papers into his suit pocket, I think this is more damning evidence that what he took out of his pants pocket at the beginning of the video was not the handkerchief.
Sorry...this sounds like a "who's on first" thing. But am I making any sense?
The man has no problem lying just for the sake of lying. Lyin' for the Lord....pathological liar WHAT...EVER. Romney doing something like this hide-in-plain sight thing is so totally not out of the question. For someone like Mitt, it makes absolutely perfect sense.
I just want to know. Did he? Didn't he?
that out. I haven't watched the clip, so I have no opinion on whether or not he brought notes; I'm just saying that he might have written shit down that he didn't want circulated, which is still bad.
Not the way he was holding that grin most of the night.
Look at the video. The paper is folded. The paper he was given to write notes on would be blank and unfolded.
He spent his time reading, not writing.
The paper looks like it might even be a typed print on it
and he obviously is hiding it both in getting it out there to use and in getting it gone in the end.
He folds it into what is probably his given sheet before attempting to put it in his pocket.
Those are not notes he took during the debates. Those are his cheat sheets.
I am doing my best to be objective, attempting to accept any and all logical explanations before kneejerking like I'm prone to do.
My mind is screaming FOUL through all the explanations.
I'm trying hard here!!
we all know what he was writing on that piece of paper and ummm . . . that would kill any chances he has of ever holding public office. Probably should seek counsel from rick opps! perry
Come on now. Once you watch it I think you will be surprised. I was thinking this was too bizarre to be true but you cannot possibly know if you don't even look for yourself.
and that I think he carried away something stiff, like folded paper. The most recently posted slo-mo videos make it clear (to me, at least) that he also brought those papers with him. I guess when you change 95% of your positions at the last minute, it's hard to remember the details of which position you're supporting at the moment.
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Mitt Romney tried to put them into the inside pocket of his suit. When he could not make them fit, he did hand them to his son, who did not even look down to see what it was, it appeared the son didn't have to look because he knew, he kept his gaze where it had been before his hand accepted the papers, and he quickly slid them into his inside pocket. His eyes never even glanced down briefly to see what he was putting into the inside pocket of his suit. That indicates he knew he was holding a hot potato and could not get it out of sight quickly enough.
It seems cut and dry to me. Also explains why Mitt talked so fast.
Watch all of their faces ..... they did know, and he WAS trying to use Lehrer for cover. Watch Ann Romney's face as he's trying to keep Lehrer there and put the papers away .... she's staring at the papers like they're kryptonite.
The shuffling at the end before he comes out to shake the President's hand would have given him enough time to cover pre-written notes with anything he'd written during the debate, or even with blank paper. So what's the rush? I don't see anyone making their way to his podium. He could have waited or sent one of his sons to collect his papers. It's like he wanted to have the papers still visible when talking to Lehrer, so he could get a charge out of putting one over on them.
folded and hidden on his person, so he rushed out from behind the podium before Obama got there to him. And then, knew he had to get back to them before the debate aides, or whoever, came to pick them up. But yes, that's strange that he did seem to not care if Lehrer saw them when he'd been trying to stash them before. Maybe he had time to stash the cheats and fold up the paper that was provided, as cover ... I bet you're right.
(Of course, we both, all be wrong ... but I don't think so!)
Response to polly7 (Reply #243)
If a man cheats and lies, do you trust him for anything at all?
SUN SEP 23, 2012 AT 07:40 AM PDT
Craig Romney: My Dad Cheats & "That's What We Need in the White House."
In January 2012, Mitt and Craig Romney did a small rally in Plymouth, Iowa. At that rally, Mitt Romney admitted he tripped his daughter-in-law, who had just given birth, in order to win a family race.
CRAIG ROMNEY: ...And it was down to my wife and my dad over here.
ROMNEY: I tripped her.
CRAIG ROMNEY: And it was kind of in the home stretch in the run there. And she had a slight lead on him. And he said that in that moment, he decided he was going to win that race or he was going to die trying. And you see this fight to the finish, and he went for this -- he gave it everything he had. He gave it a good kick and he beat her in the end. And he did almost die trying, by the way.
He passed out in a lawn chair and we didn't see him the rest of the day. He barely made lot of life. But it's that type of hard work, it's that type of determination, I think, that we need in the White House.
The Atlantic Wire , January 31, 2012
Obviously, cheating is something that's not new to him.
The cheat sheet is folded into the other sheet.
Has anyone noticed how stiff he is, both at the beginning just before he drops his cheat sheet on the podium, and at the end when he goes back to fetch it? He seems rather nervous to me. I can understand being nervous at the beginning, but why at the end?
as he faces the audience right after throwing his cheat notes on the podium SHOWS that he thinks he just got away with something.
to watch him more closely. There may be other signs.
but take a look at Romney's pants. When both he and Obama are waving to the audience, Romney first raises his left hand and his suit coat raises with his arm going up...there are no creases on the left side of his pants. When he raises his right arm, and the suit coat raises up, you can see at least 2 fairly big wrinkles on the right side where his pocket might be strained a little due to having a small, square notepad of paper in it.
Watch it on You Tube and full screen...it could also be, I don't know, breath mints??
just seems strange to me. I don't know how anyone can sit and have creases only on one side of their pants.
Guess I am desperate...don't want Romney or his minions to get anywhere near the White House.
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and tried to give romney the benefit of the doubt.
however, since there is ample video evidence that it was clearly a piece of paper, i would guess more will be made out of this story as more people start asking what was on the piece of paper.
Frankenstein looking freak probably has cochlear implants, and was having his buddies give him his talking points the entire time.
Really, for all the bullshit the right gives President Obama about using teleprompters, Mittens used a debating style he's never used before, and spoke in ways that is not normal to his pontificating character.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a secret team feeding him each and every line.
not clear to see but not the notes he was taking. In fact, Mitt does not appear to be writing anything, but reading , throughout the debate.
In addition, when you enlarge this photo, you can see the hankie corner that he probably hid it in.
Now to find that tape of what he did with it after the Obama's left the stage.
See this paper is prefolded. If it were a paper he had been given to take notes on, it would not have already been folded.
it was a cheat sheet.
I did not see him bring in a computer or printer, so I am thinking it might be a cheat sheet.
I see three white things:
1. the paper Romney was given to make notes
2. let's for now call it "the handkerchief" to the right of the paper (that may have something written on it)
3. Above the paper, towards the microphone, it looks like a white corner of something. I doubt that's a base for the goose neck microphone because they're usually screwed down to minimize vibration issues and to help the goose neck function from a sturdy base. Maybe it's a piece of his official note paper discarded and pushed up.
Hard to tell for sure but to me, worthy of a closer look if we can find a better view.
Yeah, perhaps the still photo is of a handkerchief, but watch the clip elsewhere at the end of this thread from after the debate. Romney tries folding something white about the size of a legal envelope and then stuffing it into an inner breast pocket. He gives up and hands it off to one of his sons. Look how stiff the white thing is. No one would wipe their nose with something that stiff, not even if you bought your hankies for cheap at Walmart.
on edit: I'd like to see detailed video from when Romney wiped his upper lip during the debate. Where'd the hanky come from and where did it go?
And how Ann was looking at ... whatever it was, when Mitt was shaking hands? Something was strange, there.
And the very creepy stare the son had toward his mom when he slid the paper into his coat pocket made me think Ann and the sons knew exactly what that paper was.
a small ringed notebook could have fit in his pocket quite easily and resemble note cards - and that's what it looked like he was pulling out of his pocket in the beginning as well.
I did mention, in fairness so I wouldn't lead them astray, the possibility of it being a handkerchief. You don't want them hopping on something like this if it could turn out to be something easily proved wrong and then embarrasses the campaign - doing more damage to their cause.
The truth on this is what matters. Too bad Romney never applies that to the things he tells the American people. I was upset and appalled by all his dishonesty in that debate last night - even though I've been aware for some time that's his modus operandi.
Once again, I'm also disappointed in the media for that and have been for years. It's a pretty simple concept - the media should arbitrate for the truth. For example, Andrea Mitchell's fact checking said that 54+ seniors would lose nothing under Romney's Medicare - ignoring the $600 in drugs, annual wellness checkup, pre-screening for cancer, heart disease, etc and some therapy for chronic conditions like diabetes.
I have the utmost confidence that if the American people are provided with accurate facts and the truth, they'll make the right decision 100% of the time. I can cut any candidate a little slack for putting the best face on something with some spin but Romney constantly crosses that line and did again last night and the President does not.
I have looked very closely at these issues for this. In my opinion, Romney lied frequently to the American people last night but the media overlooks that and rewards him with a big win. There's something terribly, terribly wrong with that. America deserves better.
This needs to go far and wide. Let others decide what it is too.
debate handshake and family meet and greet. C-Span has the film and I think I still have it on the DVR...
Is this written in the rules of the debate to not have any outside notes? If so Mitt needs to answer for this or at least provide an explanation. W was wired for a debate and the media did nothing so I doubt this becomes an issue or is addressed. Same old, same old sadly enough.
Here's a click-able link:
That lends credence to the hanky theory, unfortunately.
He obviously did not want anyone involved with organizing the stage to see that and he was so desperate to hide it away. To keep from having to deal with it personally, he just handed it to one of his sons.
The sheet should've been simply pick-up-able, no need to stand there folding and messing around.
Why don't you do that CSI thing and suppress all the chatter so we can hear what he really says?
Or maybe you can get an expert lip reader to give it a once over.
...Ann looks at the papers--and does a double take.
She realizes what she's seeing--typed words.
Then, she says something that looks like---"We've got to get off the stage."
Then, she says something to her other son about...needing to go now.
She sees what Mitt just brought over.
She looks panicked.
Yup, she clearly looks alarmed and says something about "off the stage."
What a bunch.
yet again. They have looked at only the beginning where he takes it out, and since he did use a hankie at one time during the debate, it must be a hankie, to hell with those pictures of a folded, written on, piece of paper.
No one in the media, not even the left ,looked at the whole thing. They just brushed it aside as a hankie and now all are scrubbing their sites of any info except that it was a hankie.
Baghdad Bob news media. Even the left played Baghdad Bob's on this one.
I wish we had real media.
"No props, charts, diagrams or other writings, or tangible things may be brought into the debate"
**My personal promise remains in effect; to retain objectivity - no knee jerk reactions**
Seriously...something to consider. And I'm not sure that this is NOT a handkerchief that Romney takes out. But from his pants pocket? Most men that I know, when wearing a suit jacket,would have the handkerchief in the jacket pocket.
Am I wrong????? I am (seriously) just asking...
i think they would keep such notes in their pants pocket if they are afraid of someone getting their hands on them.
They either use the inside breast pocket or the outside pocket next to their dominant hand.
Even while wearing a suit. That's where my father kept his, too.
Handkerchief in left-rear pocket, wallet in right-rear pocket, keys in right-front pocket, loose change in left-front pocket.
Check the end of the debate (after the families go onto the stage). You will clearly see Romney return to his lecturn to retrieve some typed notes. He tries to place them in his coat pocket, but cannot. He then passes the notes to his son who places them in his coat pocket.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Romney was being fed answers in a wireless device, so Obama should come in with a signal jammer, that would take care of that if it is an issue.
And that was definitely a piece of paper. Why would he keep his handkerchief on the podium on top of the provided notepad? If it was a handkerchief, he wouldn't have been so discreet in removing it from his pocket, which he only did when he was fully behind the podium. He was trying to be sneaky and got caught by the back camera.
That was more than just being "prepared" and "well coached".
His responses definitely looked like they were being given to him live. Watch any primary debate with him against Newt, RP, Santorum and the others. His gestures are different. The way he transitions between his sentences. All very different.
wouldn't that interfere with all the radio and TV apparatus?
Which, frankly, could be used if there was mucus in the cloth, to ascertain drugs in the system
Not as good as blood or sweat, but ....
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I agree it needs exposure. I went ahead and posted a new post to general with a link to this thread.
and notice how Ann can't seem to take her eyes off of the piece of paper until she realizes leher is right there then she pretends be interested in him. also notice how ann says "we need to get off the stage". it's very easy to read her lips.
mind if the clip was stored elsewhere.
You just never know if some server will fail and something gets "disappeared", you know?!
but what i think would be great, if someone could do it is this:
clip the beginning where the candidates shake hands slow motion the video to where mitt takes out his cheat sheet
then, at regular speed add the clip where he gets his cheat sheet from the podium after he finishes talking to the obamas.
in slow motion, show him walking back to his family and folding the paper up.
regular speed until leher leaves the stage.
slow motion while romney fumbles with cheat sheet and both of his sons try to take it from him.
I forget exactly when, but he responded to something Obama said quickly -- too quickly.
don't most people pull a hankerchief out of their breast-pocket when needed? Would you toss a hankerchief onto the lecturn at beginning of debate just in case you needed it later??
at 0:09:47 from the original poster's video. i'm sure there are more screen shots to be made, but this is the first good view.
i havent looked at the whole video. i stopped at this point and got the screen shot..i will look more tomorrow..im sure those pieces of paper are more visible in other shots.
Is an iphone partially covered by a sheet of paper, you can see light reflecting off the screen.
unless it was a handkerchief, which more likely would have been in an upper jacket pocket.
I think its an old fashioned guy thing. My dad always had one, I remember my mom ironing (how quaint). Don't see them much anymore except at funerals.
When he wiped his upper lip he used a folded up hanky.
And the hanky wipe might have been just a ploy in case someone said something about the cheat sheet he tossed onto the podium.
liars never need to bring cheat sheets.... good liars can lie on the fly... while an honest man is trying to come to terms with the first lie, the liar has already got another lie ready to cover the initial lie...
Harsh as it seems, you must confront the liar or not deal with him/her...
I noticed this last night when I watched the replay on MSNBC. You can't really see it in the video provided but I saw it last night.
A hankie was involved but it was only to transport the cheat, I do believe.
but afterwards? That's not just fabric, IMO.
would you give your son a dirty hanky?
Even if it isn't a hanky, the advantage of that kind of thing is limited. It's like having notes in an essay exam. It may give you some details but doesn't help your performance overall. I don't think we need to make the kind of excuses that right-wingers always do. It wasn't Obama's night, but it's not the end of the world. We still have two more debates, and he does have a lead in the polls.
Which makes him look even more unpresidential than lying does.
It's more about whether he would be low enough to cheat and what that would say about a man who wants to be our president.
I am not looking at this as an excuse for Mitten's performance but as yet another example of the character of the man.
However, now that you mention it, I guess having a sheet full of numerical stats would have been really helpful in a debate that was so filled with numbers. Thanks for pointing it out for me.
To be sure. You'll get no arguments from me on that point.
They come very well prepared. If you see the movie Game Changer about Sarah Palin it shows how they practiced with her and why she was vaunted as winning the debate. It's common. Everything they do and say during the debate is rehearsed until it becomes quite natural.
The same thing happens for soldiers. They rehearse a hell of a lot so when they go into battle their training takes over. I've heard lots of soldiers say that. They don't even have to think about what they're doing because their bodies just take over.
The guy CHEATED, do you not understand that? This is the SECOND time the Repugs have CHEATED during a presidential debate. We don't need excuses, and we don't make them. But cheating is cheating, and should be called out.
Did you see Rachel Maddow skewer this conspiracy theory on her show? Romney lied his pants off, but Obama didn't call him on it. He seemed disconnected. It was not the Presidents best night. None of this complaining about cheating does Any good. Put your energy into turning the vote out.
I don't care what Rachel Maddow says. She can skewer what she wants to skewer. I saw the box and the lead to the earpiece W. used in the 2004 debates and NONE of the mainstream media bothered to report on that. None of them. I'm not going to rely on them this time, to report on Mitt's cheating, either.
This has NOTHING to do with the President having a good or a bad night at the debate. NOTHING. It has to do with the character of the man running opposite him for the highest office in this land. OUR LAND.
For you to characterize that as making excuses for our president, is just bullshit.
Stay mad rather than helping the President win reelection. I don't see the point, but that's your concern. I see no evidence that he had anything but a hanky. But as I said, even if he did it wouldn't have helped much.
or don't help, the president win the election. Just because you don't see the evidence doesn't mean that scores of other people don't see it, either. We've seen this guy, and W. cheat in the debates. This isn't the first time, or the second time, it's the THIRD time.
There are reasons that they have rules in these debates--so that one candidate doesn't have an unfair advantage over the other candidate. When you bring a cheat sheet, or have an feed in your ear, it's cheating, and it gives an unfair advantage to one candidate over the other candidate. This doesn't mean that we are making "excuses" for our candidate. That is not the point. The POINT is that a candidate for the highest office in the land CHEATS and that says something about his character. The American people have the right to know about his character since he often holds our lives, literally, in his hands.
What this means is that we speak up about something when we see it. And it is not up to you, or to anyone else, to tell us not to speak up. This is a democracy, and we all participate in that democracy in ways that each one of us determines.
and I'm pretty sick of people telling us what we need to put our time and energy into. I think we will decide that on our own and I think that we can handle more than one single topic.
If, and I think he did, rRmoney cheated, it shows the character of the man who says "trust me, Just vote me in with no facts, then trust me that I will do what is best for you"
Bull fucking shit. If you have to pull a junior high school style trick and cheat at the debate for the Presidency of The United States, then you are not fit for that position. Period.
No one is saying that Obama failed to perform to our expectations because Mitt cheated. We are saying "did that mother fucker cheat?" and we have the right to know.
PS I pointed this out last night as soon as it happend and all I got was crickets and a naughty unfunny joke.
Who do we write to complain about it? Commission on Presidential Debates? Anyone know how to contact?
if there were/are any.
Been going through the CPD and not having much luck. Mostly general information and my eyes have gotten tired.
Rules would help here. This may be nothing or something.
I don't like mysteries.
Some of the 2008 might exist also - but I havent seen it yet.
Link to 2004 rules is upthread...
I had no idea and you saved me from searching endlessly for something that doesn't exist for us!
When he tossed it onto the lectern at the 0:11 mark, it fell like it had some heft. And I was all
But when I watched it full-screen, it looked like a handkerchief to me. Just my opinion of course. But the regular and full-screen views do look pretty different.
If it is a handkerchief, its super starched or has something stiff in it.
But maybe he doesnt have breast pockets sewn into this jacket? Just a thought
And the reason not to have pockets is to avoid putting things there that would detract from the impression that he's always just been starched and ironed.
I noticed this when I saw the clip of them coming onstage on the rerun of Rachel's show about an hour ago.
Mitt and his party will do anything to cheat and win, won't they... and they're barely hiding it. I think it gives them some kind of sick thrill not just to win, but to get away with it.
and he opened it up, slyly of course. Did he not know there are cameras trained on the rear of the podiums?!...LOL
So - not as covert as it may seem from this view...
to the podium. If someone in the audience had been looking for it, they might have seen it, but I doubt many were focusing on his hands. Even if they'd noticed something, they might have not known that bringing notes isn't allowed.
Goddamn. People paying ATTENTION.
That fucker! What a slimy dickhead! Pardon my French!
I took screen-grabs from the video and made an eight-frame montage of Romney as he approaches the podium with his back to the audience (but the smile still frozen on his face), reaches into his pants pocket, casually tosses his folded paper onto the podium on top of the supplied paper, and proceeds to unfold it. While watching the video, I noticed that President Obama, at that point, was still looking up and out at the audience, his hands clearly visible in front of him and his podium containing only the sheet(s) of paper.
Please feel free to share anywhere, if you're so inclined.
Click to enlarge:
For some reason I'm not able to enlarge the pictures. I'd love to see this in a larger format.
Is there something special I need to click on? Thanks!
Oh, and welcome to DU!
HELP! It's actually much bigger, but I just used the Picasa URL and it came out small. I've only posted here a few times before. It's a great graphic--you can get it at my twitter profile @litbrit.
So I copied it and tried to enlarge it. That no worky either. It gets all fuzzy.
Everything about this "handkerchief" was sneaky as heck.
How he slyly pulled it out.
How he slyly tucked it away right before he left the podium to greet his family.
How he slyly retrieved it.
How he slyly handed it off to his son. Even that looked like he did that 1000's of times before. His son acted like it was situation normal, hide the evidence. Look at that dudes face when Mitt hands him those papers. He didn't even look at it. Just grabbed it and quickly tucked it away
That is no handkerchief! Look at the edges. Its paper folded into four squares. How the heck does a hankie stay folded like that in someone's pocket? He had it deep in his pocket. No hankie stays that flat and that straight deep inside a man's pocket.
Says I need to DL flashplayer and yet I can watch other YT vids....
Can you do the end of the debate, when he goes back to collect it?
Can u do one for the end when he retrieves the paper and tries to put it in his pocket before handing it off to his son?
Hopefully there will be more finer tuned vids coming out!
**I'm still in full objective, non-knee jerking status but it's getting real hard to maintain yall!**
There's something very weird about the back of his jacket as well. A horizontal line. Almost looks like a box under his jaclet.
written on it on Mitt's podium - those papers aren't blank white sheets of paper like the ones on BObama's podium. It actually looks like he has multiple sheets spread out neatly in front of him.
We could really use an overhead camera right now!
and wonderful job putting that together!!
I have sent your screencaps out to friends who have posted them on Twitter and on other political boards around the Net.
Make sure the story gets out into the mainstream media and that the Obama campaign draws the general public's attention to it as well.
If Mitt was cheating, it needs to be EXPOSED!
Looks like he is putting something under the paper that was on the podium. My guess is that he slid the paper out when he needed it and kept it hidden from view the rest of the time.
Response to cleduc (Original post)
Enjoy your very brief stay here in the land of reality.
Okay, when dirty debate Cheater-Gate hits the mainstream, what creative explanations can we expect to see on Letterman for this?
Top Ten Things that Mitt Romney Most Likely Was Hiding on the Podium During the 1st Presidential Debate:
10.) It's a sam'mich, delicious flat panini sam'mich because of low blood sugar.
9.) Pokemon trading cards, a good luck gift from Herman Cain
8.) Business cards of investors that will bail on further campaign contributions if Mitt "doesn't ring the bell" during the debate.
7.) Dirty playing cards. All the hearts are missing, because reasons.
6.) Inspirational quotes from Ann. Now scented with victory, rude interruptions and aggression.
5.) Cell phone wrapped in a kerchief so Paul Ryan can listen in.
4.) A package of flattened zingers. Raspberry is very good, but Little Debbie is always a fav in the heartland.
3.) A teeny-tiny copy of 10 years of tax returns.
2.) Neatly folded amended return that corrects contributions and overpayment of taxes in 2011.
and the number one thing that Mitt Romeny most likely was hiding on the podium.....
1.) A chick fil a job application for Big Bird.
I hope that didn't offend. When this cheater-gate thing hits, and OH how I want it to so badly. I hope Mitt gets mocked in the socks for it.
Although the phone might be because he thought he could call for outside help on a tough question.
With the photo sharpened, you can see rings, as one would use with notecards, or perhaps a small notebook. It's a bit smaller than his jacket pocket (which gives scale), and I think it was wrapped in a hanky, which he unwrapped in frames 7 and 8 of my montage, where it looks like he's unfolding a paper. He *was* unfolding something...the hanky, which concealed the notecards/notebook. Look:
Not only does he throw out these notes and awkwardly unfolds them immediately after but also he scurries back to the podium to collect all his notes, fold them, and pass them off to his son.
Where these mementos? Because the final is coming up tomorrow? It looks very bad for Romney. I hope MSM look into this as well as the Presidential Debate Commission.
Look at his left arm...that really looks like a move to the other pocket.
Someone commented that it reminded her of when he was Gov..scrubbing all those hard drives.
PBS might be afraid to accuse Romney in light of Mitt's threats to Big Bird. (Can't believe I just typed that! How ridiculous!)
Put in your feedback....Maybe somebody cares Maybe Jim Lehrer cares about being played a fool by that rich brat.
Yes, he is a cheat and a liar. I work in electronics, I think he was being fed his lines/lies. His handkerchief could have easily contained an electronic device.
...to shake Obama's hand.
Watch from 1:31:14 to 1:31:20.
Not a smoking gun, it is another rather suspicious circumstance. Why would he be so eager to get those papers out of sight unless he had something to hide?
As soon as the debate is over, it looks like Romney tries to put something away, realizes he won't have time, then steps out to shake hands with Obama.
It looks like quite a little bit of stuff he is messing with there but I don't know how to go through frame by frame to get the best pic.
Ann tries to take notes
It's the 2 pics after the debate where Romney returns back to the podium and Michelle (blue dress) is standing in front of him. What he's picking up is definitely papers, and they look like close-spaced typing. Plus, the type pattern is different in each pic, which had to be different pages.
What I can't understand though is, how did he read them? And he didn't look down much?
Romney did look down and refer to his supposedly blank hanky several times - before each bullet point in the beginning. I'm sure much more but I would need to go through the whole video again. That's the type of president I want, someone who needs to consult his hanky before speaking.
But haven't rewatched to see for sure.
He has two papers in hand, which appear typed or he took some very precise notes, there is yet another white item down on the podium. If lets say that those two papers actually are the ones he was given to take notes on (and a big if, I think) then what is still on the podium that is white? His hankie? So he put his hankie into the folded papers? I don't think so.
thanks for posting these.
Appears as though the edges fall after the middle part.
The microphone on the podium clearly picks up the sound of this object landing. No way is this just a handkerchief
Romney needs be be called out publicly for cheating and breaking the rules he agreed to abide by.
Shamefully low Republican "values" - as usual.
after the debate!!!
Good that M$M and Mitt realize that every damn thing they do is being watched!!
I had watched the other video clip (the slomo one) and it was harder in that one to tell what he did. But this one clearly shows him unfolding that handkerchief and moving something out of it and folding it back up. At least it appears that way to me. Since he made a point about using the handkerchief in the debate he would be able to have some plausible deniability if asked about what he removed from his pocket. And it would be pretty easy to just push those notecards (because they do look like they could be 3x5 cards) into a sheaf of "notes" that he supposedly could take during the course of the debate, fold them back up and put them into his pocket.
I know that men who carry handkerchiefs usually put them in their trouser pockets - but guys that wear suits usually put them in one of the inside pockets of their coats - and it would have been quite obvious to viewers that he was pulling something from the inside of his coat. He didn't do that. He pulled whatever this was from the front pocket of his trousers - which kept his hand movement behind and below the lectern and wouldn't have been seen by anyone in the audience or the viewers. Too bad he didn't seem to realize that a camera might be place behind the lectern....
Romney has told many people to just simply "trust me". Well we don't and won't just take your word.
Prove it then I'll be satisfied.
that your shit doesn't stink and you have no boogers.
but hate when it sounds like the left-wing version of Drudge.
It was a hankie. Nothing more, nothing less.
perhaps. One can write on fabric. In high school back in the day, I cheated by writing answers on my thigh.
Statistical anomaly or red herring promotion?
I think everyone is quite concerned about what is happening here.
You know damn well that Karl Rove would love to have a repeat of Bush's/AWOL Dan Rather situation. We would look like
Seriously...someone needs to take a look at the raw footage that rolled the entire time during the debate. Then frames need to be zoomed in on, to see if that was a paper (and not a hankie) and if the paper had writing on it.
With our technology, we can surely zoom in to ascertain whether or not it was paper/hankie--and whether or not the paper had writing or typing on it.
Also--Romney's actions and behavior when he is first at the podium is important. Is he seen unfolding that paper??? The raw footage that was rolling behind him would show this.
Also, I'd like a lip reader to examine what was being said at the end of the video. Could the sound be enhanced? I saw Romney come over to his family at the end of the debate. Ann looked at what was in his hand. She clearly did a double take. She said something like, "We've got to get off this stage" and she seemed panicked. She said something else to her other son...about going now. The sound needs to be enhanced.
Surely--with all of the technology we have out there today--those things can be done. Until that happens, we don't know what we have, although it surely does not look good for Romney.
However, we have to be careful--because going down this road opens up the potential for the general public to view Obama supporters as sore losers who are grasping at straws. I sure as hell don't think that. However, if you can't prove this, you leave yourself wide open for a variety of bad spins.
I can't wait for this to be resolved, and I am betting with our technology and with the publicity surrounding this--we will have a very clear answer before the day is over.
If this is a trick, it is designed to overcome the damage caused by Mitt's lying, to try to make LIAR accusations seem like unfounded sour grapes.
Bull fucking shit. The dems just now for the first time in ten years grew some balls. I think time for worrying about what the mother fucking republicans who want to destroy the country, thinks of us is long past.
Fuck them all.
Because I never thought someone needed to cheat to win a debate. Plus, DU was the only ones talking about it. I wanted to talk about it also.
Probably the same for most first timers here.
literally typing as she spoke because I was busy with work.
I figured folks here could help sort it out - it would be of interest and bring my sister some peace of mind that it would get looked at.
This morning, she emailed that someone at Daily Kos had linked to this thread.
This afternoon, she reported that the Daily Kos thread had over 10,000 shares. This thread has over 1400 tweets. I also saw the thread linked to a news story. So I guess that's how it attracted some visitors.
I checked on google earlier today and this thread popped up near the top of a search for "Romney debate cheat note" so some folks may have been attracted that way.
There's nothing sinister going on that I can see. My sister saw something. I started the thread to ask a question on her behalf. And further down in this thread, I encouraged caution in reaching conclusions without proof so we didn't embarrass the Obama campaign (that my family and I have absolutely nothing to do with).
Hopefully, that helps explain some of what has gone on.
Regardless of how the question ultimately gets answered, in light of how things looked on that video, I think it was fair to ask the question.
on CNN with a reporter named Gloria, the first lady was also interviewed at the time by a Jessica...Ann Romney had indicated that her husband had taken some notes on what he wanted to say during the debate, not saying this is a smoking gun, but it would be interesting to take a closer look into this. Anyone handy in finding the pre-debate Ann Romney interview.
I only made it to 4 seconds.
Thanks, I owe ya!
Now excuse while I take acid reflux medication. Sadly, she as a spouse does not realize that myth does not care about 47% of the people because of his business experience. He will downsize the middle class to maximize profits for his cronies. The man has an elevator for his cars in one of his homes. She also mentioned briefly that he is destined to lead...scary and that his father would be proud of him. His dad was honest, Myth is anything buy.
Here's my take:
1. Pre-meditated cheating. Ann prepared us by giving us his ritual of writing DAD on a note card and removing the watch. She did this in the event someone saw something weird that it could be explained by her pre-video.
2. Staff also was in on it as they said it was a handkerchief and low and behold Romney did appear to pat his face with one at the end of the debate so as if to say, "see - only a hankie folks!"
3. Staff 's account differs with Ann and the DAD note - oops.
4. Object was wrapped in a handkerchief. I thought it might have been an open planner laid out on the podium early on, but not 100% sure. Although the clearer pictures are pushing me back into that possibility.
5. He even appeared to unwrap it - who would unwrap a hankie?
6. Shortly after they began their debate Romney appeared to fidget around with his left arm - perhaps, to take the watch off? Again, another distraction move?
7. End of debate Romney was frantically trying to re-wrap the notes.
8. Family was panic-stricken when they realized Romney was holding the cheat notes in plain sight.
9. Romney even tried to keep Lehrer in front of him to hide the papers.
10. Then the most bizarre "get off the stage" cry from Ann.
WHY would Romney need to look down at his notes before spewing 'each' bullet point? Afte rall, the only thing that should have been on his podium was a blank notepad.
WHY is there such a big pushback against this? That alone speaks volumes. Don't give up on MSM.